Warrior 6.0 Wishlist

Just a few things I want for warriors.

1) make infuriate work out of combat. Make rage decay quickly out of combat so raids don\\'t have to wait for wars.

2) Overpower should just be 360 aoe at this point.

3) Nascent flash rework. Possibly separate the self healing from the party utility. Bigger heal window.to make it easier to use. Lower healing percentage. Basically bloodbath.

4) Remove inner chaos. Bring back inner beast with heal and/or mitigation. Keep the inner chaos animation. Fell cleave should always be the highest damage attack.

5) Remove one of the warriors defensive cooldowns and bring back inner beast. See above.

6) onslaught on charges. Or not if infuriate change recommended above is implemented.

7) Increase damage of fell cleave. Less fell cleave spam during inner release. Maybe 3 fell cleaves in a row is good/fun. 5 is kinda too many. Bigger numbers per cleave is also cool.

Basically the changes I want are really just an ask to have warriors reverted more to what they were prior to the last couple of expansions.

Wish they dropped the memecleave all together, instead of just waiting Inner Release windows, have a more sustained dps to work around and the big prize being able to shove a inner chaos big number for a job well done.

make the damn gap closer like normal, why WAR has to be THAT weird

I always find it interesting that WAR players want their gap-closer to be the same as the other tanks. The benefits of WARs gap closer being used strictly as such, available whenever you need it should you properly manage your beast gauge for it and having superior range to all the other tanks as well as feeling the snappiest... because the only con I can think of it is not being able to use it at the start of a raid boss fight...? One that you end up having to reposition in the centre anyways?

Having it on a charge system just turns it into a mandatory oGCD damage tool you *don't* want to use outside of raidbuffs if you can help it? It boggles my mind how this community talks about homogeneity issues and then ask skills to function like another classes because it looks "better".

Hell we can swap and you can have Plunge for Onslaught. :o

War gap closer isnt used strictly for closing gap. Its also used as an ogcd damage button during inner release. Its not all that different from other gap closers in that regard. The only real difference is that its used to prevent over capping on Guage, a purpose which can be filled by adjusting onslaught or giving wars another rage dump.

Yes, being able to use the gap closer whenever is important to some people like me, because its fun. Raiding isn't the whole game

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Originally Posted by Takamorisan

Wish they dropped the memecleave all together, instead of just waiting Inner Release windows, have a more sustained dps to work around and the big prize being able to shove a inner chaos big number for a job well done.

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Frankly, kinda tired of people calling inner release a memecleave window. I like it. And many people do too. What we don't like is how it affects the rest of warrior gameplay.

They could increase the cooldown on inner release and then balance that by buffing damage outside of inner release. Why remove a mechanic/action that is fun for many and has a great animation?

Just adjust it.

Oh did you mean remove fell cleave? Uh... no. Its the best animated attack in the game. And replace it with inner chaos? No.

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Originally Posted by NyneSwordz

War gap closer isnt used strictly for closing gap. Its also used as an ogcd damage button during inner release. Its not all that different from other gap closers in that regard. The only real difference is that its used to prevent over capping on Guage, a purpose which can be filled by adjusting onslaught or giving wars another rage dump.

Yes, being able to use the gap closer whenever is important to some people like me, because its fun. Raiding isn't the whole game

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Yes... Used during a window where WAR plans to not have to disengage and when they have to... it functions perfectly as a gap closer to continue to IR... with a cooldown of 10 seconds so even misusing it is far less punishing than other tanks.

It once again functions greatly for the sole purpose of gap closer, giving WAR no pressure to having to use it in a specified time outside of their only 90 second burst window where in which it would also fulfill its primary benefit of being a gap closer and otherwise free potency.

I can see how it might have issues outside of raiding but like... even in dungeon content, you only don't have it before the first pack of a dungeon thanks to beast gauge never decaying.

If that is still an issue there are also tools to mitigate the minor con of not being able to use it at the start of raid bosses/first dungeon packs by pressing your 25y voke, pressing infuriate and then pressing your 20y Onslaught. Which, again tanks to the range, lets you snap into the next pack before the other tanks get in range of their 15y gap closers.

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Originally Posted by Takamorisan

Wish they dropped the memecleave all together, instead of just waiting Inner Release windows, have a more sustained dps to work around and the big prize being able to shove a inner chaos big number for a job well done.

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WAR encompasses the heavy big hitter playstyle/trope. If you want to be busy outside IR/IC for the sake of being busy, it would just press even more smaller potency buttons to balance it.

You have GNB/PLD if you want a rigid and stagnate damage flow with small peaks.

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Originally Posted by NyneSwordz

Oh did you mean remove fell cleave? Uh... no. Its the best animated attack in the game. And replace it with inner chaos? No.

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WAR really did suffer from poor animations this expansion among other things. It's a real head scratcher when the new WAR giga move has softer and more muted sfx than even their basic combos let alone fell cleave and the character animation is reused Inner Beast, a skill that was the predecessor big hit to Fell Cleave. Chaotic Cyclone at the very least is very nice because it is an alternative but equally as fierce compared to Decimate, the former being a beyblade spin of death and the latter a ground shattering slam.

Fell Cleave and Inner Chaos by contrast went from the satisfying, super loud, and vicious triple sawblade rip to a fairly blunt Golf Swing. Yikes.

If they had to reuse old animations, imo they should've went with the original Overpower animation back in 2.0 where the player character would spin the axe three times, building momentum into a powerful overhead slam. Create a new raging death slam visual and LOUD sfx for it and Inner Chaos would've felt so much better. Afaik it would only be appropriate for Great weapons, especially a Greataxe that relies on momemtum and gravity for it's extreme chopping impact to have an overhead executioner finisher.

... Butcher's Block really should've replaced the lame Storm's Path animation which is just three sped up auto attack animations.

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Originally Posted by FallenWings

WAR encompasses the heavy big hitter playstyle/trope. If you want to be busy outside IR/IC for the sake of being busy, it would just press even more smaller potency buttons to balance it.

You have GNB/PLD if you want a rigid and stagnate damage flow with small peaks.

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Yeah yet hits like a floppy taco in your face, the Inner Release is a damn illusion it cuts us from benefits like raid Crit and DH buffs. If you ever check the fflogs there is like 7% of WAR in speed kills, so if you ever thought about playing "high" level with your class well give up WAR.
The whole issue is that we are balanced around Hurr hurr Im anger 5 fell cleaves and nothing else to do. I'm not asking for "rigid and stagnate" damage flow like you said, but more sustained damage during the window when IR CD is rolling, more activity more martial diversity like a Warrior.

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Originally Posted by Takamorisan

Yeah yet hits like a floppy taco in your face, the Inner Release is a damn illusion it cuts us from benefits like raid Crit and DH buffs. If you ever check the fflogs there is like 7% of WAR in speed kills, so if you ever thought about playing "high" level with your class well give up WAR.
The whole issue is that we are balanced around Hurr hurr Im anger 5 fell cleaves and nothing else to do. I'm not asking for "rigid and stagnate" damage flow like you said, but more sustained damage during the window when IR CD is rolling, more activity more martial diversity like a Warrior.

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I mean. I never said I liked auto-direct crit but that doesn't detract from my point that WAR fundamentally has always been simple and garbage potencies outside of their 90 sec burst since... 2.0.

WAR being bottom DPS doesn't really take away from the fantasy of big hits (because it does boast the biggest single hits(besides a direct crit confetior)/biggest spike damage during a burst window that isn't opener/reopeners). That's just how SE has decided the tanks should be balanced because they want GNB on top and probably because WAR being 20% above all tanks for 2 expansions and base ARR.

You can ask for more actions as an activity outside of IR sure, but they will just do even worse potencies in their main combo and whatever other oGCDs you wanna sprinkle in to maintain the huge burst windows that has been WAR's identity since its inception. You can't have GNB levels of high stream damage AND big huge burst hits.

WAR fills the niche of very low valleys and high peaks. If you want a constant stream of high action and DPS, there is GNB whom most of the WAR bandwagonnerss have flocked to anyways since it's the new top dog of tank DPS.

Well it was meant to be an offensive tank, when your offensive is the low point of the class yeah it takes the fantasy away. And regarding since 2.0, not defending stance at all because you simply bursted for agro and never switched from deliverance. But you had deliverance providing crit, slash debuff that stacked with NIN phys debuff and maim. Now everything was basically shoved into Inner release, so no WAR wasn't always relying on one big CD, it still had ways to keep sustained dps while you were waiting berserk.
If that's how SE decided things and you are ready to accept things as they are why suggest changes at all then?
Of course is an illusion that CM will ever make this sequence of forums messages reach a Dev eyes, but if your thought of the entire class is the fell cleave burst you have no right to complain about the current state of Warrior, because if it were to balance the game according to those magnanimous bursts, well just put a button called world cleave 8 min cooldown press it and take everything else from the scarce toolkit and enjoy the illusory big number yay

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Originally Posted by Takamorisan

Well it was meant to be an offensive tank, when your offensive is the low point of the class yeah it takes the fantasy away. And regarding since 2.0, not defending stance at all because you simply bursted for agro and never switched from deliverance. But you had deliverance providing crit, slash debuff that stacked with NIN phys debuff and maim. Now everything was basically shoved into Inner release, but the issue that inner release is a cooldown and have a duration.
If that's how SE decided things and you are ready to accept things as they are why suggest changes at all then?
Of course is an illusion that CM will ever make this sequence of forums messages reach a Dev eyes, but if your thought of the entire class is the fell cleave burst you have no right to complain about the current state of Warrior, because if it were to balance the game according to those magnanimous bursts, well just put a button called world cleave 8 min cooldown press it and take everything else from the scarce toolkit removed and enjoy the illusory big number yay

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If you're speaking to me specifically, I don't know what you are talking about because I have yet to make any suggestions in this thread in regards to WARs damage or how they apply it lol. Crit from gauge was a loss but I don't personally care for the change. And slash down was a problematic design that made WAR op and mandatory(we don't want that in our balance btw). WAR never deserved to be the only "offensive" tank since invites imbalance(which it did, very badly I might add) and every tank is just as "Offensive" in their fantasy compared to WAR.

WAR has not changed(and that is also a unrelated problem) fundamentally. It has always been about it's burst windows.

Hyperbole much lmao? So if a class is not to your liking and is to others, you instead complain to an extreme instead of switching off to a class(something FFXIV is notorious for) that fulfills your desire of a more busy rotation? A game can have both a high burst orientated class and a consistent dps class. WAR is a high burst orientated class.

WAR is ~4% less TANK DPS than GNB. A negligible amount that has virtually no negative impact in clearing all content in the game. Are you partaking in the very niche speedkill playstyles to be worried about that? Speedkill will always gravitate to whichever class that happens to be even 0.5% stronger than another class. Doesn't mean the other class is bad lol.

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Originally Posted by FallenWings

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Hmm so because you can switch classes you can't provide any sort of criticism?
Forum logic I guess

Well being bursty doesn't mean you have to rely on a single 90s CD and press 5 times a GCD thats my point, you can design this high burst in other ways too, you know build an interesting gameplay where you build your big meaty fell cleave. It seems for you 2 buttons is ok and whatever and there is nothing else to discuss we agree to disagree.

I mean, there is criticism and there is constructive criticism.

You are asking for a class that already exists and asking for a class that is a different playstyle to your preferred one to change to your desired one instead of switching. Who is being obtuse here?

And yes, Inner Release is a big part of Warrior's damage. But so is Inner Chaos which somewhat fulfills the desire of building up to a big attack via reducing Infuriate's cooldown through Fell Cleave/Decimate usage. It isn't an obvious gain resource, spend resource style but it's there and is fuelled by an action that is gain resource, spend resource type gameplay.

You can continue to assume I support Inner Release all you want lol. I'm just merely arguing for it. I personally am not a fan of auto direct crits and Inner Release as it is, but you know what? Apparently *alot* of people are. Infact, a big proponent to what WAR is today could be attributed to a certain whingy high level influential raider that complained about RNG crit fishing in their Fell Cleaves. But it is what it is and WAR out of the tanks is designed on the end of the spectrum of all or nothing big hit burst.

You can design more actions to use and dots to apply if you want but remember theres a potency budget and it'll be very low in those areas for Fell Cleave/Inner Chaos and overall Big Burst hits to remain... well big burst hits.

I'd switch to warrior if they gave it a rage build up..

As in everytime they are hit they get rage and when it reaches 100 they can enter true berserk,
True berserk increasing power removing gcd when up but you take extra damage and it last until rage hits 0

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Originally Posted by NyneSwordz

Bigger heal window.to make [Nascent Flash] easier to use. Lower healing percentage. Basically bloodbath.

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I can't imagine why you would want this (unless you want to explicitly nerf Nascent Flash), given how WAR's damage output flows.

The only change Nascent Flash could use is 1s more duration or some mechanical adjustment to Nascent Glint in order to ensure that the user and target of Nascent Flash receive healing from the same number of actions.

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onslaught on charges. Or not if infuriate change recommended above is implemented.

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Please stop requesting this change; it is a wholly unnecessary change that will, in all likelihood, only serve to make Onslaught worse.

Onslaught is fine as it is like Fallenwing said.

I agree with Inner beast. I want it back, it feel better than using Foresight.

Overpowered, I prefer it cone. It can reach far mobs better than 360 aoe (range is almost twice).

Personally, I want new one or two OGCD for rotation to make WAR a bit more busy. (but not turning Onslaught into charge system with nerfed range)

For the most part im pretty happy with War currently, so not expecting changes but just simple additions. Things id like to see... 2nd charge on Onslaught, aoe version of Upheaval, maybe a DoT, and something i wish all tanks had, some kind of "Pull in" skill, Blu has like 2 of the skills...

Please stop. Came back after a year break only to find they gave WAR almost everything people like this cried about after 5.0. Only result was the job being made even more braindead, which is exactly what the rest of us predicted would happen.

>Remove Inner Chaos

What

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Originally Posted by SiriusSaltstice

>Remove Inner Chaos

What

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Kind of a weird action to be honest. I'd rather get a dot or something.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

Please stop. Came back after a year break only to find they gave WAR almost everything people like this cried about after 5.0. Only result was the job being made even more braindead, which is exactly what the rest of us predicted would happen.

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How is it more "braindead?" Because eye is easy to keep up? It never required much brain power to keep it up in the first place. It was just annoying to have to reapply it with a combo constantly throughout a dungeon. Or Nascent Flash not requiring a party member? The nascent flash change affected nothing other than making it a useable action while questing or doing other solo content without having to summon a chocobo or having to retarget an npc with a macro during quests to use.

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Originally Posted by FallenWings

WAR encompasses the heavy big hitter playstyle/trope. If you want to be busy outside IR/IC for the sake of being busy, it would just press even more smaller potency buttons to balance it.

You have GNB/PLD if you want a rigid and stagnate damage flow with small peaks.



WAR really did suffer from poor animations this expansion among other things. It's a real head scratcher when the new WAR giga move has softer and more muted sfx than even their basic combos let alone fell cleave and the character animation is reused Inner Beast, a skill that was the predecessor big hit to Fell Cleave. Chaotic Cyclone at the very least is very nice because it is an alternative but equally as fierce compared to Decimate, the former being a beyblade spin of death and the latter a ground shattering slam.

Fell Cleave and Inner Chaos by contrast went from the satisfying, super loud, and vicious triple sawblade rip to a fairly blunt Golf Swing. Yikes.

If they had to reuse old animations, imo they should've went with the original Overpower animation back in 2.0 where the player character would spin the axe three times, building momentum into a powerful overhead slam. Create a new raging death slam visual and LOUD sfx for it and Inner Chaos would've felt so much better. Afaik it would only be appropriate for Great weapons, especially a Greataxe that relies on momemtum and gravity for it's extreme chopping impact to have an overhead executioner finisher.

... Butcher's Block really should've replaced the lame Storm's Path animation which is just three sped up auto attack animations.

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I think you're thinking of Decimate with the "spin axe 3 times into overhead slam." Overpower animation was always the same as it is.

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Originally Posted by NyneSwordz

I think you're thinking of Decimate with the "spin axe 3 times into overhead slam." Overpower animation was always the same as it is.

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Took a while to find but this was the og 2.0 Overpower animation.

https://youtu.be/Oclv1s1Mu68?t=707

Warrior has a lot more glaring issues and making overpower a circle instead of a cone or changing onslaught to having 2 charges is definitely not going to make it any better, considering those aren't even problems and all those skills you complain about have their strengths that previous posters have pointed out already and if anything make warrior more unique in this age of tank homogenization.

What i think devs are gonna do is remove guaranteed direct crit and do something about fell cleave spam, personally both of those things don't matter that much to me, but i definitely think they can do a lot better. As much as guaranteed Dcrit is making warrior standout compared to other tanks( and maybe even other roles) you still feel like a sandbag when jobs in your group can't buff you in any way, greatly decreasing your damage output compared to other tanks who outdps warrior even without any group buffs already.

And can we talk about drk's and war's dmg this expansion? People say that they do only ~4% less dmg but that's the difference between ilvl 515 weapon and ilvl 535, if you are a raider that dmg is pretty significant. Not to mention that to even compete with those numbers you have to consider that fight had to end exactly after drk's and war's burst, not sure about drk but for war its every 90 seconds, so just to be behind pld and gnb your group has to kill the boss in that exact timeframe of 10 seconds after your burst. I don't think that's very fair tbh. It would make a lot more sense that bursty jobs like drk(although they might change that in the future) and war do same amount of dmg as other tanks outside their bursts and ~4% more than others if fight ends on their burst as a payoff for ending fight in such a strict timeframe. OR BETTER YET do something about burst window being so short and it coming up in your rotation so infrequently. Take gnb for example, it is both of 2 worlds: pretty consistent high dmg and a beautiful burst every 60 seconds which lines up perfectly with almost every buff in game. Now im not saying they should take away war's identity of being a burst tank, as some people have pointed out that warrior's burst was 90 seconds both in ARR and HW but duration of berserk was twice as much as IR's. So either make the burst every 90 seconds for 20 seconds, or every 60 seconds but tone it down a little bit. It doesn't have to be same IR as it is now. I hope devs will use their imagination to its fullest.

In a perfect world i would've wanted warrior to be a blm of tanks: having top dog dps and it being engaging not because you have high cpm, but because of interesting mechanics in its rotation. Give warrior something to do outside of its burst, make that damage matter. Also getting buffs like increased crit rate depending on accumulated gauge that promotes meaningful gauge usage would be a welcomed comeback, and tank mastery instead of giving 20% reduced dmg giving warriors 25% more health and healing done for that little drop of identity.

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Originally Posted by NyneSwordz

Kind of a weird action to be honest. I'd rather get a dot or something.

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Lemme guess.

Fracture.

Personally, I want Warrior to be a lot less braindead and be a bit more risk vs reward thing. reducing the IR spam and making memecleave hit harder is something I'm in agreement with.
Tbh I don't like fell cleave's animation, graphics or sound. Inner beast was better as it looked exactly like a powerful dhit/crit worthy attack should. A fast and hard uppercut to the groin. I can't see my annoyingly small auri during fell cleave because of those blasted discs

bloodbath returned, upgrades to nascent. Raw intuition should be booted back down to level 20 where it was originally.
I'd like some of the older attacks returned, as ogcds perhaps. Mercy stroke, fracture (with some damage ffs) butchers block, skull sunder etc.

an idea I've been thinking is the wrath gauge. Higher wrath switches your actions to heavier ones while there's a combo chain to lowering it. Overcap and you burnout. The idea is to keep it high for when you get to burst window.

like the other tanks, replace role actions with the respective old animations. War get brutal swing instead of low blow for example

The only thing they need to change is to not make Berserk a POS ability for people who are leveling or want to run roulettes. To this extent I'd welcome a return to the old 20-sec damage buff Berserk if that's what it took, but otherwise war is fine imo.

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Originally Posted by NyneSwordz

The nascent flash change affected nothing other than making it a useable action while questing or doing other solo content without having to summon a chocobo or having to retarget an npc with a macro during quests to use.

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This is the weakest excuse for a Warrior I've ever seen. You can destroy basically anything with a few GCDs, never mind the other self heals if needed.

As for comparable tank damage, I'm fine with GNB where they're at, my problem with the balance since 5.0 has always been with PLD. The "protector" tank shouldn't be outdamaging the "berserker" tank, though I suppose that protector status has been diminished over the last few expansions. Raid buffs are likewise a rather moot point. Ninja, Monk, Red Mage, Summoner, Astro don't discriminate in their buffs. Samurai, Black Mage, Machinist don't even have buffs to give. So I guess if you get stuck in a group with only Dragoon, Bard and Dancer you can cry, but that's hardly any sort of optimal group to begin with. War still benefits from more buffs than they miss out on.

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Originally Posted by FallenWings

https://youtu.be/Oclv1s1Mu68?t=707

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Here comes the pain!!!!

I miss the old animation. :(

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

The only thing they need to change is to not make Berserk a POS ability for people who are leveling or want to run roulettes. To this extent I'd welcome a return to the old 20-sec damage buff Berserk if that's what it took, but otherwise war is fine imo.



This is the weakest excuse for a Warrior I've ever seen. You can destroy basically anything with a few GCDs, never mind the other self heals if needed.

As for comparable tank damage, I'm fine with GNB where they're at, my problem with the balance since 5.0 has always been with PLD. The "protector" tank shouldn't be outdamaging the "berserker" tank, though I suppose that protector status has been diminished over the last few expansions. Raid buffs are likewise a rather moot point. Ninja, Monk, Red Mage, Summoner, Astro don't discriminate in their buffs. Samurai, Black Mage, Machinist don't even have buffs to give. So I guess if you get stuck in a group with only Dragoon, Bard and Dancer you can cry, but that's hardly any sort of optimal group to begin with. War still benefits from more buffs than they miss out on.

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How is it an "excuse?" I'm pointing out that the nascent flash change didn't affect the the brainpower needed to play warrior in the slightest. So unless ur complaining about the eye change, I'm not sure what you're talking about when I you say warriors got "dumbed down."

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Originally Posted by Anienai

Here comes the pain!!!!

I miss the old animation. :(

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It did look cool

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Originally Posted by NyneSwordz

How is it an "excuse?" I'm pointing out that the nascent flash change didn't affect the the brainpower needed to play warrior in the slightest. So unless ur complaining about the eye change, I'm not sure what you're talking about when I you say warriors got "dumbed down."

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I dont get your NF rework as well tbh. You want the button to become bloodbath and only usable on the WAR?

Why? WARs Nascent Chaos and Beast GCDs make it a meaty GCD burst heal.

Like, they can just give WAR its own lifesteal button, but I don't get why the most unique Tank support button needs to suffer.

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Originally Posted by Khimer

What i think devs are gonna do is remove guaranteed direct crit and do something about fell cleave spam, personally both of those things don't matter that much to me, but i definitely think they can do a lot better. As much as guaranteed Dcrit is making warrior standout compared to other tanks( and maybe even other roles) you still feel like a sandbag when jobs in your group can't buff you in any way, greatly decreasing your damage output compared to other tanks who outdps warrior even without any group buffs already.

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I could live with the guaranteed crit. Sure you lose out on Battle Litany and Chain Stratagem buffs but who really cares when you have 100% crit instead of 37%.
My main issue is with the guaranteed direct hit. Even if you have 100% crit, you still gain the increased critical damage from the stat. What do you get out of Direct hit? Absolutely nothing. Now this wouldn't be too much of an issue if every other tank didn't meld for DH, so you're forced to essentially either gimp your warrior's damage or your drk, gnb and paladin damage.

@OP my personal wishlist is:
-either trait to make the onslaught free when out of combat (so you can actually initiate with it) or make tomahawk grant a free use of onslaught i guess? or if it's gonna continue taking a resource so it cant be used to open fights, make it an aoe so you dont need to contend with overpower's finnicky cone when trying to grab a group, and presents an aoe alternative to upheaval for group pulls.
-more OGCD options--for as much as DRK is a complete ripoff of WAR, it's the one aspect it's just straight up more fun in. (my wishlist for DRK is to stop being a WAR +4 ogcds -2 defensive cooldowns)

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Originally Posted by SpiralMask

@OP my personal wishlist is:
-either trait to make the onslaught free when out of combat (so you can actually initiate with it) or make tomahawk grant a free use of onslaught i guess? or if it's gonna continue taking a resource so it cant be used to open fights, make it an aoe so you dont need to contend with overpower's finnicky cone when trying to grab a group, and presents an aoe alternative to upheaval for group pulls.
-more OGCD options--for as much as DRK is a complete ripoff of WAR, it's the one aspect it's just straight up more fun in. (my wishlist for DRK is to stop being a WAR +4 ogcds -2 defensive cooldowns)

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I dont get why ppl want to initiate with a gap closer so bad

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Originally Posted by SiriusSaltstice

I dont get why ppl want to initiate with a gap closer so bad

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Because that's how it worked in other MMO's, and it's fun.

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Originally Posted by NyneSwordz

Because that's how it worked in other MMO's, and it's fun.

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I mean, fun is subjective. I don't see the appeal of not just literally walking to the boss (most content the boss is spitting distance) and charging in like that. If the boss was far then cool, but I don't see the fun aspect of it.

Most people I see doing that then use the ranged attack right after. Like, if you find it cool then you do you, but I find it more silly.

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Originally Posted by SiriusSaltstice

I mean, fun is subjective. I don't see the appeal of not just literally walking to the boss (most content the boss is spitting distance) and charging in like that. If the boss was far then cool, but I don't see the fun aspect of it.

Most people I see doing that then use the ranged attack right after. Like, if you find it cool then you do you, but I find it more silly.

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It typically makes melee dps lives more miserable since some can't gap close right away, or want to save gap closers for burst window.

the bosses nowadays often jump to middle and incorrect positioning via pulling with a gap closer inevitably will cause the boss to spin and screw with melee positionals, overall it's impractical to pull bosses with gap closers.

Typically I just cringe when I see tanks gap close in, especially warriors that pop IR right away and onslaught straight in.

The only exception I've had to this was for Paladin in e8s, during open with pre popped Fight or Flight, where you only had 3 and a bit GCDs so you needed to Intervene in to get both off.