New player looking for some details

Hello everyone. I didn't find answers about some details.

Blockading : there are rate and "strength" of the blockade. I don't get it. How do they work? Are they worth some interest?

At the moment I play a PLD level 41. I had a look on my futures skills. I saw there are magical dmg and physical. Does my strength stat increase both of them or only the physical combo?

I don't mind about rotations openers and all this stuff because I m not very high level for the moment. However, about high level. Are there steps in particular to reach with offensive stats? Some power spike with direct hit - critical hit.

I read tenacity and deter are very low interest.

Can I really benefit from some vivacity / speed or is it too much superficial?

I intend to play PvE, all the hardest content of the game.

Thank you for your help :)

Regarding shields, don't worry about it, just equip whatever shield has the highest Item Level. After a certain point, all shields available will be mid-shields (equal block strength and block rate).
Strength does increase your magic damage, so you don't have to worry about that.
For stats, Critical Hit is the highest priority, then you want enough Skill Speed to hit 11 GCDs in Fight or Flight (a GCD of 2.43 is enough to do so, but you can go slightly faster if it feels more comfortable), then Direct Hit, then Determination. You want to avoid Tenacity if at all possible - it increases your damage less than Determination, and the damage reduction isn't going to be impactful outside of possibly Ultimates (the highest of high end content)

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Originally Posted by RevusHarkings

then you want enough Skill Speed to hit 11 GCDs in Fight or Flight (a GCD of 2.43 is enough to do so, but you can go slightly faster if it feels more comfortable)

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Only after Savage Blade and and pop FoF below half way left to Goring, then stall 1 Atonement for Goring then finish the last Atonement.
2.42-2.40 you pop it before Savage Blade below half the GCD left after Fast Blade.
2.41-2.40 you can get away with using all 3 atonements then Goring.

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Originally Posted by Undeadfire

Only after Savage Blade and and pop FoF below half way left to Goring, then stall 1 Atonement for Goring then finish the last Atonement.
2.42-2.40 you pop it before Savage Blade below half the GCD left after Fast Blade.
2.41-2.40 you can get away with using all 3 atonements then Goring.

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Standard opener is Fast Blade > Fight or Flight > Riot* Blade > Goring Blade >FB > RB > Royal Authority > Atonement x3 > FB > RB > Goring Blade> Requiscat> Holy Spirit x4 > Confiteor regardless of stated Sks tiers. You can use Circle of Scorn before Fight or Flight as a means to better time FoF so you can get all 11 GCDs under FoF, and CoS will be off cool down before FoF wears off.

What you can do is Atonement shift, where you hold a Sword Oath stack and refresh Goring Blade and immediately use the last Atonement, RA combo, Atonement x2, Goring Blade combo, and Atonement, to gain 4 Atonement under Fight or Flight. You only do this after your first Requiscat window.

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Originally Posted by aodhan_ofinnegain

Standard opener is Fast Blade > Fight or Flight > Riot* Blade > Goring Blade >FB > RB > Royal Authority > Atonement x3 > FB > RB > Goring Blade> Requiscat> Holy Spirit x4 > Confiteor regardless of stated Sks tiers. You can use Circle of Scorn before Fight or Flight as a means to better time FoF so you can get all 11 GCDs under FoF, and CoS will be off cool down before FoF wears off.

What you can do is Atonement shift, where you hold a Sword Oath stack and refresh Goring Blade and immediately use the last Atonement, RA combo, Atonement x2, Goring Blade combo, and Atonement, to gain 4 Atonement under Fight or Flight. You only do this after your first Requiscat window.

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I know but after the 1st rotation you have to stick with skipping 1 Atonement and return to it after Goring. Savage fights are based 2.43 GCDs this tier, Goring will drop off with a 2.43 GCD sticking to the regular and FoF must be popped after Riot Blade if you do intend to 2.43. Feeding Riot Blade FoF and the final Atonement, or Goring will not receive it using 2.43, I tested this enough times.

As you said starting a fight that's correct it's regular rotation, after that you will always stall 1 Atonement.

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Originally Posted by Undeadfire

I know but after the 1st rotation you have to stick with skipping 1 Atonement and return to it after Goring. Savage fights are based 2.43 GCDs this tier, Goring will drop off with a 2.43 GCD sticking to the regular and FoF must be popped after Riot Blade if you do intend to 2.43. Feeding Riot Blade FoF and the final Atonement, or Goring will not receive it using 2.43, I tested this enough times.

As you said starting a fight that's correct it's regular rotation, after that you will always stall 1 Atonement.

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hmm only fight that requires 2.43 specifically is e11s and Oracle of Darkness, the rest do not require that specific GCD tier.

Also, no point going through min maxing lvl 80 when the OP is still levelling.

True, but so far 2.43 seems to be the usual for speed runs among Plds, Balance has yet to update.

You're right though, no point going for more.

This is my personal opinion but I meld Tenacity and don't understand why people say to avoid it.
As a tank it doesn't matter how much damage you do, what matters is your survivability. And tenacity literally increases not only your damage but makes you take LESS damage and receive MORE healing.
Imagine how much damage your healers could do if they could heal you up faster and go back to DPSing.
What's the point of melding, for example, double Determination for the damage you don't need instead of melding double Tenacity for damage + defense + higher amount of healing. This stat is literally made for tanks.

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Originally Posted by Lumivyory

This is my personal opinion but I meld Tenacity and don't understand why people say to avoid it.
As a tank it doesn't matter how much damage you do, what matters is your survivability. And tenacity literally increases not only your damage but makes you take LESS damage and receive MORE healing.
Imagine how much damage your healers could do if they could heal you up faster and go back to DPSing.
What's the point of melding, for example, double Determination for the damage you don't need instead of melding double Tenacity for damage + defense + higher amount of healing. This stat is literally made for tanks.

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The problem is mitigation have a hard cap where stacking more than necesary become useles bcs it wont make your healers heal less while melding dps stats have none, tenacity doesnt make your healer heal less right now, you only need to look at the healers forum and see how many complains are about how powerfull they kit are and how much they spend time spaming they single ofensive spell due how little they need to heal even on endgame.

I raid and im progresing currently with fatebreaker, my healers keep me up so easily with only regens and oGCD heals that having a mega build of tenacity wont make any diference and i don't even wear crafting gear or stuff like that, you offer way more to the party if you stack direct hit, crit and determination and you mitigate way more if you know how to use your skills witch is not hard enough considering how braindead is right now, even the japanese are having a discusion about how undesirable tenacity is right now.

So if anyone want to meld tenacity, sure do it but know you are offering absolutely nothing to the party by doing that.

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Originally Posted by Lumivyory

This is my personal opinion but I meld Tenacity and don't understand why people say to avoid it.
As a tank it doesn't matter how much damage you do, what matters is your survivability. And tenacity literally increases not only your damage but makes you take LESS damage and receive MORE healing.
Imagine how much damage your healers could do if they could heal you up faster and go back to DPSing.
What's the point of melding, for example, double Determination for the damage you don't need instead of melding double Tenacity for damage + defense + higher amount of healing. This stat is literally made for tanks.

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TL;DR: TEN is not a bad stat, it's just the worst one on tanks. Good on gear, awful to meld, there's no point. It's the same logic behind Slaying Accessories on Tanks from ARR/HW. If you don't need the defense, do not gimp yourself and your party, just mitigate properly in the scripted timeline. Healers don't need you to hold their hand.


Unfortunately, you are operating under the assumption that Damage, Healing, and Damage Taken are on a level playing field. In fact, you put damage below those other planes, when two tanks (or two optimized healers) doing proper rotations do more damage combined than any single DPS in the game, which matters a whole lot when you're pushing enrages in real content. It absolutely 100% matters how much damage every job in the game does, regardless of role. Not the actual number itself, just the act of doing damage is the only real metric the game has as a variable the player can influence, as everything else is scripted, by the books mitigation. We play a damage focused game, this is due to design, nothing hits hard enough or randomly enough for that ever to not be the case without significant combat design reworks.

With that being said, TEN is not a bad stat. I'm rolling with 1833 TEN right now. Here's a link to the stat tiers this game uses.

https://saltedxiv.com/stat-tiers

Looks like a 1.044% modifier on those relevant tank stats. Were I to pump that TEN stat to max 5.4 value recorded at 4835, which you can't without max TEN only gear + melds if it's even possible at all, you grab a modifier of 1.135. In very very dumbed down terms in order to make a point, a 40K Cure II looks like this, omitting DET atm.

No melds: 41,760 HP restored
FULL TEN CHAD: 45,400 HP restored

And that's when the game is being consistent, which it isn't at all because of high/low damage rolls on attacks equaling variable damage, high/low rolls on healing equaling variable HP restore amounts. You can use a similar formula for mitigation taken and damage done. The issue with this is that when enemies are hitting you for like 40K damage auto attacks, and every tankbuster this tier does like 200K unmitigated damage at a MINIMUM (Umbra Smash and Formless Judgement easily go 800K+), who actually cares about getting single-digit percent increases on defensive attributes? You know what isn't variable? Cooldowns.

In fact, on all significant damage taken, you either invuln it, where TEN is effectively a dead stat on every tank at that specific moment, or you super cooldown with everything in your kit, where you would die or survive based on mechanics of the attack, where TEN doesn't matter at all, or WHICH ACTUAL HEALS are used on you, not the actual value of the heals used themselves ie: 41K vs 45K wouldn't be the difference between life and death, but Essential X2 + Synastry Benefic II + Excog would save you regardless of your TEN stat, as even with the lowest possible rolls on every heal, it would still be enough to keep you alive. It's particularly bad when you realize you have tanks walking around with 210K+ HP, you really think that TEN is going to save you from the fact you just didn't mitigate properly on the incoming damage? You are significantly more likely to come across a situation where you hit a .4 or lower enrage cast than be saved by TEN. And a tank who doesn't meld correctly would be doing objectively less damage because CRIT, DH, and DET are objectively better stats to increase damage, to the point where if you meld TEN ONLY at the expense of other, better substats, I'd argue that you're griefing your team. Just because a stat is DESIGNED for that role, DOESN'T mean that it's good, whether that be due to SE's incompetence for designing stats (LOOKING AT YOU EXPONENTIAL CRITICAL HIT GROWTH AT THE EXPENSE OF EVERY OTHER STAT LATE EXPANSION FOR THE THIRD TIME), or for the logistics of the stat just not making sense on that particular job ie: DNC/MCH with Skill Speed, RDM with Spell Speed, WAR with Direct Hit, literally any healer post progression content and gearing with Piety. Offensive stats, particularly Crit and Direct Hit are never dead stats. Ever. That's why they get melded over TEN, and they just do more "offensive" than DET (except on WAR), so that's the priority. You could rally behind "Why are tanks allowed to meld DH?" to which I would say "Yeah, why ARE tanks allowed to meld DH?"

Since I can't go a single post without talking about DRK, let's have a sample scenario of a DRK melding TEN for "saving healer GCDs" or whatever. When Healer oGCDs are so insanely powerful right now, you hardly need to GCD heal the tank ever. Congratulations, because you melded TEN, and didn't meld SkS, not even CRIT or DH, SKILL SPEED, you now have a GCD of 2.47 (something that actually happens on crafted gear in 5.4). Because of that, you can no longer get 5 hits in Blood Weapon. You literally cannot do it. So what does that mean? Each minute, you lose out on 600 MP, on top of just generally regening mana slightly slower. After five minutes, you've failed to generate 3K MP where other DRK's have that gain over you, which equates to one TBN. The value of that TBN is 25% of your HP value, so let's pick a flat number of 200K. You've essentially added 50K HP of burden onto the healers for no reason every five minutes. Saying it like that, it's actually even worse, because bosses are not constantly attacking, they have casts, they have phase transitions, and all that downtime stuff. The percentage of time taking damage vs not taking damage is not as wide as people think, particularly in something like E9S, where it seems half the fight is casts or tankbusters, not autoattacks. These assumptions also place you as the permanent Main tank, which shouldn't be true in any fight. What is TEN doing for you as the Off-Tank? Nothing. Nothing at all, compared to Critical Hit, Direct Hit, or Det. Point of this being, if you want your healers to damage more, use mitigation in creative ways, like doubling up on auto attacks + busters, better reprisal timing, actually using Arms Length in dungeons, and other methods than crippling your own Crit rate and damage.

Addendum: I didn't even realize this when I wrote this, but if you're a WAR and you meld TEN, that's even more ridiculous, because Criticals get boosted in damage and rate with their melds, and you heal a LOT more off, and thus "mitigate more damage" on a Critical Fell Cleave with Nascent Flash than if you just melded TEN.

To summarize, if you melded TEN, and you survived at 1% HP, nice! Not only did your healers not heal you, you also probably didn't mitigate auto attacks before/after you invulned the tankbuster, got a low roll on the damage that actually dropped you to that amount of HP, and you're going to die to the very next thing that breathes on you.

If you melded good stats, congratulations. You just saved your team a couple thousand overall raid DPS that they needed to kill the boss on the enrage cast, you've given them a higher margin of error for making the check in general with proper play, and you can move on with your life.

And this is in savage, where stuff actually hurts. Casual content isn't even worth a paragraph, people do dungeons/NM raids with zero CDs all the time, it's irrelevant to this point.

Unless you're progging Week 1/Ultimate where that can be a discussion with your healers and cotank for comfort, do not meld TEN at the expense of other stats, it's pointless.

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Originally Posted by OdinelStarrei

Addendum: I didn't even realize this when I wrote this, but if you're a WAR and you meld TEN, that's even more ridiculous, because Criticals get boosted in damage and rate with their melds, and you heal a LOT more off, and thus "mitigate more damage" on a Critical Fell Cleave with Nascent Flash than if you just melded TEN.

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That's subjective, Warrior uses left over meld slots using Tenacity due to current raid gear tier and the basis of SkS you want. It's a complete waste using Direct Hit on the job (obviously). While it is Gnb/Drk/Pld NEVER Ten, it's an exception for Warrior to fill the left over slots when Crit > SkS > Det cannot fulfil requirement. (Lets be honest, too much SkS and low SkS throws everything off)

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Originally Posted by OdinelStarrei

Unless you're progging Week 1/Ultimate where that can be a discussion with your healers and cotank for comfort, do not meld TEN at the expense of other stats, it's pointless.

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Even so, there's no benefit for it. Full Ten will only shave off roughly a 10% passive damage cutdown and Ultimates/Week 1 are never big enough threats to warrant it regardless of Busters. Eden Promise week 1 wasn't even a big threat for tanks, at all. TEA didn't even warrant a need for Ten.

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Originally Posted by shao32

It's imposible not meet the requeriments and if you find a piece where the only meld left aviable is TEN then you should put there the Skill speed melds there and use other parts of the gear to place DET and CRIT.

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Feel free to look up Balance, simply states it.

Edit: Until an optimal GCD timer has been found for each fight, Tenacity is a filler.

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Originally Posted by Undeadfire

Feel free to look up Balance, simply states it.

Edit: Until an optimal GCD timer has been found for each fight, Tenacity is a filler.

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yeah my mistake, still WAR don't wear TEN bcs they wanted, of the 3 BIS one wear 1 TEN only and the other wear 2, idk what they are thinking with that ultra tenacity build they made, i bet it's just a bis joke or something, still the OP is a PLD so he don't need to worry about WAR speciall case with direct hit.

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Originally Posted by Undeadfire

That's subjective, Warrior uses left over meld slots using Tenacity due to current raid gear tier and the basis of SkS you want. It's a complete waste using Direct Hit on the job (obviously). While it is Gnb/Drk/Pld NEVER Ten, it's an exception for Warrior to fill the left over slots when Crit > SkS > Det cannot fulfil requirement. (Lets be honest, too much SkS and low SkS throws everything off)



Even so, there's no benefit for it. Full Ten will only shave off roughly a 10% passive damage cutdown and Ultimates/Week 1 are never big enough threats to warrant it regardless of Busters. Eden Promise week 1 wasn't even a big threat for tanks, at all. TEA didn't even warrant a need for Ten.

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In that specific circumstance, I was referring to priority TEN melding at the exclusion of all other stats that could've been possibly melded on that side, all CRIT/DET melds being replaced with TEN melds, or even TEN gear replacements entirely, not for the leftover slots. I apologize for the lack of clarity on that point, really should have wrote "full TEN WAR" instead. I am not adverse to stat tiering, but I was simply unaware of the WAR BiS this tier. You are of course, 100% right on this point, and I thank you for your elaboration and for further confirming my post, always appreciate it when players better than me come to fact-check.

It's fine man no need for apologies, it's a simple miss understanding that you were talking about Warrior, or any tank.

Anyway....

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Originally Posted by Lumivyory

This is my personal opinion but I meld Tenacity and don't understand why people say to avoid it.
As a tank it doesn't matter how much damage you do, what matters is your survivability. And tenacity literally increases not only your damage but makes you take LESS damage and receive MORE healing.
Imagine how much damage your healers could do if they could heal you up faster and go back to DPSing.
What's the point of melding, for example, double Determination for the damage you don't need instead of melding double Tenacity for damage + defense + higher amount of healing. This stat is literally made for tanks.

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Going full Tenacity will cut down your Rdps by extreme levels and it doesn't provide a good alternative to your healers when they're only going to Off-GCD heal and only use GCD for AOE Heals/Regen, Solid Healers always avoid GCD heals as much as possible. Losing multiple thousands of Rdps for roughly 5-10k Healing difference won't change anything and merely kill the groups overall DPS. Gnb/Drk/War have their own self heals under GCDs and Off-Gcd which makes them overall good Main tanks, Pld cannot main tank since Clemency is useless except for prog to survive something you're learning, however Paladin is the best off tank at current raid tier. Paladin is 2nd to Gnb, has Veil, Cover and syncs with the Ninjas Trick Attack hardcore.

This stat has been considered of tests all the way back in 4.0 and remains a trash tier stat for being a weaker Det.

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Originally Posted by Lumivyory

As a tank it doesn't matter how much damage you do, what matters is your survivability. And tenacity literally increases not only your damage but makes you take LESS damage and receive MORE healing.

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This game is ran by maths and no content is ever strong enough to warrant it (Yes including Ultimates). Speedrunning groups ALWAYS aim for max uptime and Crit farming which will completely overkill Tenacity build tanks trying to feed the healers more, the damage difference Ten build vs Crit Build is too huge I'm not even joking. Right now we adapt strategies to reduce movement for healers and remove any means of making the Blm move. The only healer who should priority over a Paladin is Whm if a very rare strategy calls for better overall group raid DPS, other than that you don't punish a GNB/DRK Main tank during their burst window on Trick Attacks and Paladin lacks Burst window which warrants a rare time Whm > Pld.

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Originally Posted by Undeadfire

Going full Tenacity will cut down your Rdps by extreme levels and it doesn't provide a good alternative to your healers when they're only going to Off-GCD heal and only use GCD for AOE Heals/Regen, Solid Healers always avoid GCD heals as much as possible.

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I never said I go full Tenacity. I simply prioritize it over other materia.

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Originally Posted by OdinelStarrei

TL;DR: TEN is not a bad stat, it's just the worst one on tanks. Good on gear, awful to meld, there's no point. It's the same logic behind Slaying Accessories on Tanks from ARR/HW. If you don't need the defense, do not gimp yourself and your party, just mitigate properly in the scripted timeline. Healers don't need you to hold their hand.


Unfortunately, you are operating under the assumption that Damage, Healing, and Damage Taken are on a level playing field. In fact, you put damage below those other planes, when two tanks (or two optimized healers) doing proper rotations do more damage combined than any single DPS in the game, which matters a whole lot when you're pushing enrages in real content.

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Yeah, but healers need you to be able to stay alive without them spam healing you. I'm a healer main.
I hated STR accessories on tanks and still think it's the stupidest thing ever. I absolutely despised running into STR tanks as I would always have to heal them so much more because of how damn squishy they were. VIT tanks were a blessing.

I also don't care about "enrages" and any savage content. Meld whatever you need for that but tanks don't need high damage in casual content. I'd rather be alive than do damage because wiping wastes a lot more time than having lower damage. And I personally have seen quite a difference in damage taken between the time I forgot to meld and after.
I meld Crit, Skill Speed and Direct Hit as well and I had no problems getting thought content fast and alive.

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Originally Posted by Lumivyory

Yeah, but healers need you to be able to stay alive without them spam healing you. I'm a healer main.

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However, healers don't spam heal you even if you don't meld TEN, especially in casual content.
Regens + SoulEater(and their counterparts) + Tank OGCD Heals (on some tanks, like Equilibrium and Aurora) and Tank mitigation do their job to mitigate auto attack damage. That's the main reason healers do DPS in the first place.
The game's not like WoW where you have to spam heal the tank because it's low pot. An OGCD can literally fill up 50% of the tank's HP in one go.

I'd argue that the only casual content that requires bigger heals is leveling, and even then, it's not very much.

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Originally Posted by Payotz

However, healers don't spam heal you even if you don't meld TEN, especially in casual content.
Regens + SoulEater(and their counterparts) + Tank OGCD Heals (on some tanks, like Equilibrium and Aurora) and Tank mitigation do their job to mitigate auto attack damage. That's the main reason healers do DPS in the first place.
The game's not like WoW where you have to spam heal the tank because it's low pot. An OGCD can literally fill up 50% of the tank's HP in one go.

I'd argue that the only casual content that requires bigger heals is leveling, and even then, it's not very much.

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Right now? Yes, it's not that hard to heal tanks in casual content.
But we're not talking about the present, nor are we talking about Tenacity here because back then Tenacity didn't even work the same way.
I was talking about the times back when tanks were using STR accessories which greatly reduced their HP. That was also the time when tanks would drop tank stance for more DPS which would make it even more of a nightmare to heal them.

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Originally Posted by Lumivyory

Right now? Yes, it's not that hard to heal tanks in casual content.
But we're not talking about the present, nor are we talking about Tenacity here because back then Tenacity didn't even work the same way.
I was talking about the times back when tanks were using STR accessories which greatly reduced their HP. That was also the time when tanks would drop tank stance for more DPS which would make it even more of a nightmare to heal them.

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Even so not a reason to. Vit only added HP back in the older days and it was reasonably too hard to control anything without the STR addition, was a much larger value going for this system than trying to boost healers.

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Originally Posted by Lumivyory

Right now? Yes, it's not that hard to heal tanks in casual content.
But we're not talking about the present, nor are we talking about Tenacity here because back then Tenacity didn't even work the same way.
I was talking about the times back when tanks were using STR accessories which greatly reduced their HP. That was also the time when tanks would drop tank stance for more DPS which would make it even more of a nightmare to heal them.

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Thing is though, SE screwed up by not including native STR on those accessories in the first place. Twice it occurred iirc where STR accessories were favoured over VIT accessories, first was in Gordias, second was the beginning of SB. I only have personal experience with SB, and it wasn't even so much using STR accessories because 'muh DPS', it was out of basic necessity to actually hold aggro. Most tanks struggled to hold aggro early SB even in stance during the levelling process. I even recall recommending someone complaining here on forums about aggro, since STR was not added to levelling accessories between 61-69, I recommended using lvl 60 STR accessories, and got thanked afterwards as it made said persons life easier managing aggro.

Once 70, most tanks kept the STR accessories, because why cuck yourself out of bad game design.

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Originally Posted by Undeadfire

Even so not a reason to. Vit only added HP back in the older days and it was reasonably too hard to control anything without the STR addition, was a much larger value going for this system than trying to boost healers.

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I'm confused by what you're even talking about right now. Reason for what? I never said anything against the current system. I'm more than happy that we no longer need to see those tanks in full Slaying accessories and with no tank stance dying to trash mobs.
The only reason I mentioned that was because the post I was replying to compared melding damage on tanks to having STR accessories back in the day.

Doesn't matter anyway...

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Originally Posted by Lumivyory

I also don't care about "enrages" and any savage content. Meld whatever you need for that but tanks don't need high damage in casual content. I'd rather be alive than do damage because wiping wastes a lot more time than having lower damage. And I personally have seen quite a difference in damage taken between the time I forgot to meld and after.

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Even if it is casual content it doesn't warrant it. Unless it's Relict/Emerald (Or you're a Raider) you're likely going to be Ilvl capped in the Dungeon/Trial and rotated cooldowns are strong enough to mop the floor with wall pulls. Dungeons is you wall pull > pop rotated cooldowns > Get low HP > Healer Off-Gcd heal > Repeat. Getting targets killed much faster will save a lot more HP damage vs trying to reduce it more this is illogical and Tenacity will not do this for you, roughly 10% reduction is really bad. And if you get a Healer who spams GCD Heals, my friend he is a Healer who is ignorant, or listened to Mentors awful advice.

The only trial who puts the threat in Tanks was Thordan Ex back in 3.1 and he was a comparison to Savage raid, everything else are extremely lenient.

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Originally Posted by Undeadfire

Even if it is casual content it doesn't warrant it. Unless it's Relict/Emerald (Or you're a Raider) you're likely going to be Ilvl capped in the Dungeon/Trial and rotated cooldowns are strong enough to mop the floor with wall pulls. Dungeons is you wall pull > pop rotated cooldowns > Get low HP > Healer Off-Gcd heal > Repeat. Getting targets killed much faster will save a lot more HP damage vs trying to reduce it more this is illogical and Tenacity will not do this for you, roughly 10% reduction is really bad.

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I hate wall to wall pulls and I died more than once to them in 71+ content. Hell, I've even seen a tank die to a big pull in Stone Vigil and other low level dungeons.
And as a healer my oGCD heals are never enough for such pulls, I end up spamming Cure II and even that doesn't always save the tank if my Bene is on CD. In what kind of perfect world do you live where oGCD heals are enough for a wall pull?
Not everyone raids and has the best gear, I don't even have a single class that reached ilvl500.
I'd rather take more time killing mobs than wipe and waste even more time.

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Originally Posted by Lumivyory

I hate wall to wall pulls and I died more than once to them in 71+ content. Hell, I've even seen a tank die to a big pull in Stone Vigil and other low level dungeons.
And as a healer my oGCD heals are never enough for such pulls, I end up spamming Cure II and even that doesn't always save the tank if my Bene is on CD. In what kind of perfect world do you live where oGCD heals are enough for a wall pull?
Not everyone raids and has the best gear, I don't even have a single class that reached ilvl500.
I'd rather take more time killing mobs than wipe and waste even more time.

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Then it's a failure on the tank for not outputting the max it can do. Reprisal, Arms Length, Rampart, 90 Second cooldown, short cooldown, leg kick, burn their damage off-gcds. If it goes South the other tactic is kiting the pull, kiting makes it very difficult for mobs to attack you because they have to all push each other trying to reach you, this can reduce damage more than Tenacity does since you'll be cutting off 50% of the mobs auto attacks.