How Glamour Plates can be

Will be great, have 15 "common" slots shared by all jobs, and another 15 slots linked to the current job you have when you open it. Kupo!

Not getting you. Why not just 30 plates?

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Originally Posted by MsQi

Not getting you. Why not just 30 plates?

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Because you get 15 plates for each job. Every job have its own 15 plates (plus the 15 shared ones we already have).

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

Because you get 15 plates for each job. Every job have its own 15 plates (plus the 15 shared ones we already have).

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Oh each. That would be nice, but considering how the only upgrade we got was from 10 to 15 I doubt they would be quick about giving us more than 20 times as many.

If they could just keep it equal to the number of current jobs plus 11 for crafting an gathering, plus 1 for misc.

Sounds like a lot of extra data for them to keep track of on the back end, so I'm not sure if we can expect that much of a jump.
Honestly, I'd be happy if they added more than one weapon slot on a glamour plate.
When I have a glamour that works with more than one job, I have to use separates plate just to hold the glam for the others weapons.
However, I doubt the technical debt from 1.0 allows for such a thing.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

However, I doubt the technical debt from 1.0 allows for such a thing.

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sigh, this sh*t again :|
This scapegoat is even more ridiculous with the present topic since glamours plates shouldn't be server-side (if they are, well that's the current devs fault...)

Even for FFXI, they've been able to create from scratch, in 2015, an all new functionality with 100 sets, that can be used for both changing equipment and changing appearance (the equivalent of gearset and glamour plates in FFXIV)

Also dyes

So they struggle to fit 15 plates, and you want them to just add, just like that... 255 extra plates?

I would be happy with them allowing one plate per job as sort of your "default" for that job and then even just 10 extras.

The biggest issue I have is really just when I switch between jobs of the same role because they share the same gear. Dancer, Bard and Machinist for example all have completely different styles but share the same gear and it just kind of sucks that you have to be in a City to properly switch between Dancer and Machinist given that you can technically switch jobs any time you're not in combat.

Honestly, I think these kinds of things should just be a pay-per-month upgrade like retainers. If the data is so taxing on the system, then just have players pay for the storage system via Mog Station. A retainer adds roughly what, 150 slots for a buck. If a buck could get you, I dunno, 10 plates per month that's not bad.

Personally, I don't need more than 1 or 2 for most jobs. Maybe 5-6 for my mains?

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Honestly, I'd be happy if they added more than one weapon slot on a glamour plate.

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This so much, its super annoying on my tanks and casters >_>

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Originally Posted by kaynide

If the data is so taxing on the system, then just have players pay for the storage system via Mog Station. A retainer adds roughly what, 150 slots for a buck. If a buck could get you, I dunno, 10 plates per month that's not bad.

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That gets be back to i can use 8 chars at 10 retainers (max) and yet i cant use one char with 20 or have 2x the space on each, while its still the same amount of data - heck let me have less chars per server for gettin more slots in exchange... its basically the same on glamourplates and slots in the dresser...

I think you misunderstand how the data is stored/accessed.

10 separate characters are a non issue since it only loads one at a time. Kinda like playing one game on a PC at a time vs opening say 3 or 4 copies of Ff at once. It’s a different workload on resources than just raw storage space.

I'd rather that not go that route as I'm rather cheap (and have concerns about it being p2w under the pretense of glamour being the real endgame), but with that said, it is certainly possible. And I do think that if they do decide to sell it then 5 plates and 200 additional slots would be fair for 2$ a month.

That said I think it would be better to have 30 free plates first (1 for each class and some left over) and upgrade that number to account for later Jobs, while targeting paid upgrade to those that prefer to change up glams for the same job constantly.

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

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It would be nice at the very least if there could just be 1 plate per gear set you have unlocked. I think the current is something like...35? 40? Something like that.

But I get it, glamour is not connected to progression so it’s total fluff. It’s all in the player base’s collective heads. This I would expect mogstation unlockables.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

Honestly, I think these kinds of things should just be a pay-per-month upgrade like retainers. If the data is so taxing on the system, then just have players pay for the storage system via Mog Station. A retainer adds roughly what, 150 slots for a buck. If a buck could get you, I dunno, 10 plates per month that's not bad.

Personally, I don't need more than 1 or 2 for most jobs. Maybe 5-6 for my mains?

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Because paying money doesn't solve the issue of how it's "taxing the system". You're talking about information that needs to be communicated between the server and your client every time you open up the glamour interface. The more information getting shared, the longer things take to load.

Right now the load delay almost isn't noticeable because it's only information for 15 plates (usually it's only noticeable if I'm standing in a housing ward when I go to change my glamour). Imagine how much worse it would be with 10 times that number of plates.

What would be nice is if a copy of our glamour plates could be saved to our local clients once edits are confirmed in an inn room at the glamour dresser. That could potentially open the door to more plates (you'd only get the additional load lag if you're in the inn room, not a big deal). That would allow us to select a plate from any location in the game (possibly not instances) since the only communication would be the client notifying the servers what was selected instead of the servers having to send all the options to our client to be chosen. But I imagine that would open the door to other problems, especially if players started modding the saved glamour plates directly on the local client.

Guess would be nice to as stated, some free* slots as they are nowdays but add a locked plate slot per job if they could actually increase plate capacity

It could work just increasing the number of plates (25 total maybe) and add per plate a list of all your unlocked jobs with a toggle checkbox so, when you change to that job (and are on a plate changing capable area) triggers that glamour plate as default for that job (obviously being just being abble a job to be checked on one plate)

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Because paying money doesn't solve the issue of how it's "taxing the system".

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...how does it not if said money can go into the necessary infrastructure to have said system?

If enough people want X and there’s money to be made selling X, it’s common sense business to upgrade X and make it even more sellable.

The last wave of wards (actually might have been the ones pre storm blood) were funded by mogstation purchases. So not really seeing your point unless you honestly believe they wouldn’t try to improve on the tech of what could be a source of easy revenue.

I don't know if it would even be possible, but would it help if you had to unlock more plates and slots in the dresser first?

Like with every job you unlock, you get one more plate. And you could do a simple quest to unlock more plates or slots. Maybe gate it behind the expansions, so you can get more slots when you reach Ishgard, then more in Kugane, then more in the Crystarium.

The more jobs you play, the more plates and slots you need, and the farther you are in the game the more glamour options you have, so to not strain the server too much, you don't have all those slots by default, but can unlock them when you need them.

But would that even work? Does it even matter for the server if you have more plates/slots unlocked or not?

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Originally Posted by kaynide

...how does it not if said money can go into the necessary infrastructure to have said system?

If enough people want X and there’s money to be made selling X, it’s common sense business to upgrade X and make it even more sellable.

The last wave of wards (actually might have been the ones pre storm blood) were funded by mogstation purchases. So not really seeing your point unless you honestly believe they wouldn’t try to improve on the tech of what could be a source of easy revenue.

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There's a difference between literally buying additional servers to host more housing wards, and fixing an underlying issue in the code that is preventing a certain feature from working, especially if those issues are integral to the game.
The former is literally a case of more money = more servers, the latter could range from anywhere between "a few hours of debugging" to "completely redesigning the entire game from scratch" and only SE know where on that spectrum this issue lies.

My wishlist for the glam chest:
- As many glam plates as we have gearsets
- Be able to change glams anywhere not just cities (even in combat)
- Ability to macro glam plates
- glam dresser furnishing for housing

As for the server load perhaps they could split the plates into “pages” so it only has to load like 10 plates per “page” at a time. So then you could have, say, a “tank page” with plates for your tanks and when you play as your tanks you’d just have the tank page loaded then when you want to switch to healer you’d go to your glam plates (could also maybe make it a macro/text command) and switch to your “healer page” and it would only have to load the 10 plates on that page.

tbh i just want 1 for each job + 1 for gather /1 for craft and extra 3-4 for special occasion glamors

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

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It’s still just a question if demand and money though. If it takes 100 players buying in and that’s enough revenue to get it working, then it’s pure profit after 100 people. If it’s 500? 1000? It’s just a matter of time and money.

On the other hand if a huge code overhaul is needed, there may never be enough buy in to recoup investment costs, in which case it will just never happen.

Personally, I’m not sure why they could do the equivalent of a kickstarter for things like this. So we know what SE puts as a general price tag of X to happen before they commit to it. They should have a very general ballpark figure of manhours needed to do what we want, just need to see if enough players buy into it.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

...how does it not if said money can go into the necessary infrastructure to have said system?

If enough people want X and there’s money to be made selling X, it’s common sense business to upgrade X and make it even more sellable.

The last wave of wards (actually might have been the ones pre storm blood) were funded by mogstation purchases. So not really seeing your point unless you honestly believe they wouldn’t try to improve on the tech of what could be a source of easy revenue.

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Because not all that infrastructure is on SE's end. Part of it is on your end. Your operating system and hardware make a difference, whether it's high end computer, low end computer, PS4 with or without SSD, etc. Your internet connection speed makes a difference.

There's a reason why minimum and recommended system requirements get listed. If only things on the game developer's end made a difference, those requirement lists would be totally unnecessary. If what you had on your end didn't make a difference, Windows 95 would be supported.

Yeah would be nice to have some plates per jobs.
I usually have the same gear on all my 3 healers but would love to have them look different.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Sounds like a lot of extra data for them to keep track of on the back end, so I'm not sure if we can expect that much of a jump.

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I think having set the glamour plates feature all server-side was the problem.

Moving the plates client-side will be perfect. Gear sets already are client side, so the thing is possible. Instead of asking all and everything to the server as today, server will be asked to check if the glamour exists in your dresser only when you apply it to your gear. Whoa! More plates at zero server cost! No server interaction while I click on the plates. No need to check anything until I click "apply".
I even dare this way we can apply glamour plates even in the fields.

Perhaps instead of having to load ever more plates, there could be some capacity to have "active plates" and "archived plates" that don't need to be loaded every time? I have a number of plates I'm not using currently but it's still annoying to disassemble them, especially if they have dyes and I can't set them up again without leaving the inn room to go shopping.

It seems like it could help in theory, although on the other hand there is no ability to rearrange the existing plates so it might not be able to manage them like that.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

It’s still just a question if demand and money though. If it takes 100 players buying in and that’s enough revenue to get it working, then it’s pure profit after 100 people. If it’s 500? 1000? It’s just a matter of time and money.

On the other hand if a huge code overhaul is needed, there may never be enough buy in to recoup investment costs, in which case it will just never happen.

Personally, I’m not sure why they could do the equivalent of a kickstarter for things like this. So we know what SE puts as a general price tag of X to happen before they commit to it. They should have a very general ballpark figure of manhours needed to do what we want, just need to see if enough players buy into it.

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A company as big as SE initiating a 'kickstarter' would go down like a lead balloon.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

I think having set the glamour plates feature all server-side was the problem.

Moving the plates client-side will be perfect. Gear sets already are client side, so the thing is possible. Instead of asking all and everything to the server as today, server will be asked to check if the glamour exists in your dresser only when you apply it to your gear. Whoa! More plates at zero server cost! No server interaction while I click on the plates. No need to check anything until I click "apply".
I even dare this way we can apply glamour plates even in the fields.

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The problem comes from the dyes (and especially the mogstation dyes) and that they are consumable.

Gearset can be client-side because it's just a list of equipments. When a gearset is used, the server checks if the equipments actually exist and then display them with whatever appearance (glamour/dye) they currently have.
Glamour plates, on the other hand, also have to save the dyes, which are consumed at the plate creation. The devs had to do this because the dyes are consumable and some of them are "expensive" (mogstation), and obviously they couldn't ask players to consume a new dye each time we use a glamour plate.

Gearsets don't modify items ; Glamour plates can modify items with a (already-used) consumable (thus has to be saved server-side).
If dyes weren't consumable, the glamours system could have been less of a train-wreck.

If someone needed an example how bad decision (and in the present case, greed) can create limitations on the addition of new features, we have a nice one here.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

Because you get 15 plates for each job. Every job have its own 15 plates (plus the 15 shared ones we already have).

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Not going to happen thats a lot data afor them track. Got to remember glamours are server side as everyone can see you so thats a just a little bit overboard on the server side lol
I wouldn't mind them adding a few more plates though.

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Originally Posted by Genz

the dyes are consumable and some of them are "expensive" (mogstation)

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It's not just Mog Station at fault here. They're rare and expensive in-game as well. I certainly wouldn't want to be paying 100,000+ gil per jet black per glamouring.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Because not all that infrastructure is on SE's end. Part of it is on your end. Your operating system and hardware make a difference, whether it's high end computer, low end computer, PS4 with or without SSD, etc. Your internet connection speed makes a difference

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Thus the ballpark figure of work? Obviously building for lowest spec option, SE knows what would need to be done to allow for +X glamour plates. It would boil down to a creative use of tabs, or loading only 10 at a time or something. Still just boils down to a price tag and time, and how much it would need to raise to be worth SE’s time..or if it would never be worth their time/too much sunk costs. Quite possibly it would raise enough money.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

A company as big as SE initiating a 'kickstarter' would go down like a lead balloon.

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You are saying if SE added a prepurchase option to mogstation with something like “ff7 Tifa’s attire! If we get 500 prepurchaes we will make this thing! Prepurchasers get special version! (The hq version or blue background)” people wouldn’t bite? I’m sure people would, and it would help SE to not make stuff no one wants to buy.

Just give us 1 plate for every Class. Fighting Classes, Crafter and gatherer. So 29 plates would be enough. To switch the plate for your Class if u want another look is not the ptoblem. But everytime i want to create a glam i have to delete one plate of another class and its pretty annoying tbh D: I even pay for more glam plates! Pleas SE do me this favor. I pump you full of my money if you do! I Swear! :D
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