As much as I love the achievements...

I really hate all the ones that require me to go back and do stuff I just finished doing heh. Gathering all level 50, crafting all 40+, but now I have to go back X items in all the crafts I've already finished? :>

Good thing you don't have to do those!

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

Good thing you don't have to do those!

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You do if you want any of the Luminary tools.

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Originally Posted by Inaaca

You do if you want any of the Luminary tools.

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You want it? Get on with it.

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Originally Posted by Inaaca

You do if you want any of the Luminary tools.

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If you want the tools, then you do the achievements. If you don't want them, then you don't do the achievements.

The achievements are only worth doing if you want the reward that comes with it.

I'm not even 50 in a DoH/DoL yet, but even I can understand the frustration that OP is dealing with.

If you started levelling a DoH or DoL before achievements were introduced, you effectively have to go back and do one or (many) more achievements AGAIN as if you hadn't before, because you've likely already done them but they weren't accounted for when you did.

Very frustrating, grueling and extremely time consuming.

Ive been doing them all just fine, redoing them as some of you call it, but in truth, its not redoing anything


I can honestly say that no one probly earned any of the tools pre achievement, the sheer amount of synths requires pretty much dictactes that

you DID NOT do 1500 31-40 synths while leveling
nor did you do 3000 41-50s

yes you may have done half that, but more then that? probly not

and now, to get to 50, you do maye 400-500 41-50 synths if even that



but seriously, if you want something, go get it, in the end, no one was given any more advantage then you were in getting it, so its all fair

heh I'm going to do it eventually it's more just the frustration heh. Least working on the crafting will let me to the gathering achievements by colllecting supplies.

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but seriously, if you want something, go get it, in the end, no one was given any more advantage then you were in getting it, so its all fair

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Actually, if you want to make that argument, people who started DoH/DoL after achievements were released have an advantage over those that started before. Those that started after don't get their achievement progress wiped (however much that may be) while those that started before have had to completely restart the achievements from scratch.

Any way you slice it, it's very frustrating to have previous effort be nullified when it comes to working toward long term goals. That, at least, everyone should be able to agree on, regardless of your stance on this.

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Extremely time consuming.

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Spot on the money :)
They want people to have a goal because that keeps them playing.

Just think of it from new gamers point - it's frustrating for those already high levels but from new gamers point of view looking at 2.0 being the start then these achievements are not as bad as what we think.

Just sucks more for all current players.

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Originally Posted by Inaaca

Actually, if you want to make that argument, people who started DoH/DoL after achievements were released have an advantage over those that started before. Those that started after don't get their achievement progress wiped (however much that may be) while those that started before have had to completely restart the achievements from scratch.

Any way you slice it, it's very frustrating to have previous effort be nullified when it comes to working toward long term goals. That, at least, everyone should be able to agree on, regardless of your stance on this.

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you sir, are stretching

there is no advantage


there is only 1 fact in all of this, we ALL started at 0 progress after the patch came into effect, noone is redoing any achievment, no one had credit for the achievemnt ahead of time

yes some people can earn it AS THEY LEVEL, but that is by far not an advantage at all, thats just something they get to do on the side

lets also add into the equation that people who were 50 ahead of time can easily hasty hands there way to the achievments several times faster then someone leveling while doing it

but in the end, the pure fact is, we all started from scratch after the achievemnts came into effect

well there are benefits, they get we don't. Lets take do X battle leve's and X behests and such in low level areas, anyone that has leveled byond that isn't going to get much gold, the exp doesn't benefit them, where as someone at level 1 is getting the exp and gold they need. Same with gathering and crafting they are getting exp along with increasing their achievements. for me I'm going to be getting the achivements and costing me time/money without the extra stuff they get.

It's a minor point though just something to think about. They need to do it and achievements is secondary.

PS. Oh and quick point :> Believe me back in the days leveling up gathering was much harder then it is now, the exp bonuses from leve's gathering is half if not less then what it is now.

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well there are benefits, they get we don't. Lets take do X battle leve's and X behests and such in low level areas, anyone that has leveled byond that isn't going to get much gold, the exp doesn't benefit them, where as someone at level 1 is getting the exp and gold they need. Same with gathering and crafting they are getting exp along with increasing their achievements. for me I'm going to be getting the achivements and costing me time/money without the extra stuff they get.

It's a minor point though just something to think about. They need to do it and achievements is secondary.

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getting experience IS NOT an advantage

also as i said earlier, people can now level from 41-50 in less then 500 synths, you need 3000 for the achievment.....so they have to level to 50 then do 2500 or so more synths

you on the other hands, can choose a 41 synth and hasty hands it and be done that quick




starting from 0 is starting from 0 still, getting exp is not an advantage, its just something that you get in addition, something we dont have to worry about as 50s already, and thus we dont have to worry about what we synth(see level 41 easy synths instead of 50+ synths for exp)

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you sir, are stretching

there is no advantage


there is only 1 fact in all of this, we ALL started at 0 progress after the patch came into effect, noone is redoing any achievment, no one had credit for the achievemnt ahead of time

yes some people can earn it AS THEY LEVEL, but that is by far not an advantage at all, thats just something they get to do on the side

lets also add into the equation that people who were 50 ahead of time can easily hasty hands there way to the achievments several times faster then someone leveling while doing it

but in the end, the pure fact is, we all started from scratch after the achievemnts came into effect

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People who started after achievements came into affect can wait until they hit 50 and then go back and Hasty Hand achievements too... It's not like they don't have the same options as people that started pre-achievements. They still have the advantage of not getting their achievement progress wiped like earlier players did.

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Originally Posted by Inaaca

People who started after achievements came into affect can wait until they hit 50 and then go back and Hasty Hand achievements too... It's not like they don't have the same options as people that started pre-achievements. They still have the advantage of not getting their achievement progress wiped like earlier players did.

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again, there was no progress wipe

we ALL start from scratch, period, this wipe you are speaking of is a mental block which you are making up as an excuse for why you feel you should not have to do the achievment


its simple really in the end you have 2 choices

1) Do the achievment and get your tool
2) dont do it, and dont get your tool


complaining about this in what is probly the 100th thread on the matter will not change anything

I think your just desperate to defend your point now. and those 500 synthses are still 500 they get more benefit from then us. where as that will cost me time/money and such to do so they don't have too. Your not really making any sensible arguments.

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I think your just desperate to defend your point now. and those 500 synthses are still 500 they get more benefit from then us. where as that will cost me time/money and such to do so they don't have too. Your not really making any sensible arguments.

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then again, if you hate the idea so much, DONT DO IT

I 100% understand your point of view though

You are upset, you want the tool, but you see how much work itl take, and yes, its alot of work, i know, i have 5 done already and 3 close to be done but guess what, if you want it, you will do it, cuz there is nothing that will be done to compensate you for this imaginary "wipe" they did that you people keep claiming has happened(in order for info to be wiped it had to exist to begin with, which it didnt)
and thats the bottom line

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again, there was no progress wipe

we ALL start from scratch, period, this wipe you are speaking of is a mental block which you are making up as an excuse for why you feel you should not have to do the achievment


its simple really in the end you have 2 choices

1) Do the achievment and get your tool
2) dont do it, and dont get your tool


complaining about this in what is probly the 100th thread on the matter will not change anything

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Don't get me wrong, I'm also doing the achievements. If I want Luminary items, that's my only option. This discussion won't change that.

Your argument is silly, though. No progress wipe, seriously? If I did, I don't know, 3,000 synths on Alchemist pre-achievements, those synths don't count whatsoever toward the achievements. So yes, in this case I would have to start back at square one to regain that 3,000 synth progress before I can continue toward the achievements where I left off. You're fooling yourself if you think that no progess was lost at all regarding this tally.

SOMEDAY I'LL FINISH EXPLORING ALL OF THE SHROUD, AND WEAR MY WANDERER'S SHADOW TITLE.

YOU'LL SEE.

I think the achievements are very fair, aside from the get 100,000,000 gil off of NPC kills or whatever the fuck it is. Seriously what the hell. I can't even think of an immediate NPC that drops gil.

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Originally Posted by Ruisu

SOMEDAY I'LL FINISH EXPLORING ALL OF THE SHROUD, AND WEAR MY WANDERER'S SHADOW TITLE.

YOU'LL SEE.

I think the achievements are very fair, aside from the get 100,000,000 gil off of NPC kills or whatever the fuck it is. Seriously what the hell. I can't even think of an immediate NPC that drops gil.

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fair means everyone is on equal ground, no advantages, so yeah, 100mil is fair lol

but beastmen drop gil if youd like to know what you can go to for it


alot of these arent meant for short term either, like that one, but for long long long long long long long term

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yes some people can earn it AS THEY LEVEL, but that is by far not an advantage at all, thats just something they get to do on the side

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i think my 2 synths for 1 they did does count as an advantage. i can be sure i would have earned my luminary tools for a few classes had my synths from grinding and spritibond crafts counted. all of the grinding done and all of the materials and finished products made before do not count so yes they do have an advantage.

if the luminary costs me twice the amount of time, gil, and synths than it does someone else for the same end result then it is an advantage no matter how you look at it.

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if the luminary costs me twice the amount of time, gil, and synths than it does someone else for the same end result then it is an advantage no matter how you look at it.

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Not necessarily...you both start from the same place. If anything, you are the one with the advantage because you have the benefit of experience. You've already done it, so you know what is cheapest to make, what is most cost-effective to synth, and you can probably synth it at least twice as fast as the newb if you are well-geared and use your skills.

I fail to see how your retroactive time/effort somehow gives the other guy an advantage. You ended up putting in more time, but both of you started from the same place... at 0. You can argue the fairness of that all you want, but there's definitely no disadvantage on your part. Starting from 0 you both get to the same place at the same time; you actually will likely get there faster because of your previous experience.


As far as these achievements go, a double-melded tool can own luminary tools outright, and a triple meld is a no-contest at all. Imo if you're already capped you might as well work on melding an HQ double/triple meld tool instead of farming irrelevant nodes thousands of times. Thats just my opinion tho, some ppl just want the tool for the prestige.

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Not necessarily...you both start from the same place. If anything, you are the one with the advantage because you have the benefit of experience. You've already done it, so you know what is cheapest to make, what is most cost-effective to synth, and you can probably synth it at least twice as fast as the newb if you are well-geared and use your skills.

I fail to see how your retroactive time/effort somehow gives the other guy an advantage. You ended up putting in more time, but both of you started from the same place... at 0. You can argue the fairness of that all you want, but there's definitely no disadvantage on your part. Starting from 0 you both get to the same place at the same time; you actually will likely get there faster because of your previous experience.


As far as these achievements go, a double-melded tool can own luminary tools outright, and a triple meld is a no-contest at all. Imo if you're already capped you might as well work on melding an HQ double/triple meld tool instead of farming irrelevant nodes thousands of times. Thats just my opinion tho, some ppl just want the tool for the prestige.

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did things i did in game go towards the luminary tool even though it was before the luminary was put in place? no.

will players starting now do synths that will not count towards their luminary? no

the point is an advantage is one person having to do something another person does not have to do. i leveled my crafts and did not get credit for those towards the luminary. new players will not so it is an advantage. if it wasn't an advantage then everyone that levels the class gets no credit towards the luminary whether it is done before or after the achievement went into the game until they hit rank 50. after rank 50 then the synths will count towards it.

it is an advantage no matter what is said. even if it was 1 synth that i did that didn't count towards the luminary tool and a new player had 0 then that is still an advantage. the advantage is i had to complete 3001 synths instead of 3000.

Some of you are forgetting how many synths it used to take to get to lvl 50. On top of the low experience that people used to get, I took the route of riding a synth that was cheap for me (back in the days you couldn't store leves). I mined my own electrum mats and made rings, and I did it far above when i should have been, just because it was free and one of the only doable/fastest/whatever-you-want-to-call-it synths around.

I know for a fact that I made more than 3000 electrum rings when I was leveling up.

That being said, it doesn't matter to me one way or another what method SE chooses. Those of us who care about our jobs will get to work and get our tools, those who level the jobs just to have all 50s will complain about having to do too much work.

Just get in gear guys and knock out those synths, many of them will still make you some gil while you're at it.

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did things i did in game go towards the luminary tool even though it was before the luminary was put in place? no.

will players starting now do synths that will not count towards their luminary? no

the point is an advantage is one person having to do something another person does not have to do.

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You're using the wrong word, what you are talking about is fairness. As in it is unfair that you had to do more work to get to the same place as another guy. I get that. What I'm saying is that is not "advantage" or "disadvantage" for the precise reason that both of you start from the same point: 0.

For instance if I instill achievements tomorrow, even though youve been gathering ages, both you and a newb start out on a level playing field. Your counter is 0, and his counter is 0. Thus no one has an advantage, if we assume "experience" is entirely not beneficial.

One person having to do something another person doesn't have to is the definition of unfairness. I agree its unfair, but it doesn't give anyone an advantage. Either way it takes both of you the same amount of time after achievements are put in place, since both of you start at the beginning. Advantage would be you getting progress on your achievements based on what you did beforehand, while the newbs start at 0. At that point you are starting from different places, and you are likely to finish sooner.

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it is an advantage no matter what is said. even if it was 1 synth that i did that didn't count towards the luminary tool and a new player had 0 then that is still an advantage. the advantage is i had to complete 3001 synths instead of 3000.

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He is not and I'll tell you why. After achievements are put in, you both have to complete 3000 synths. He does not have an advantage over you at all, since that extra work you did was completed before he even started.

It would have been nice if credit from pre-achievement actions could have been counted. Some transferred over, others didn't. Kill quests, exploration, levels, dungeons, and quests carried over. Crafting, gathering, leves, and gil did nots. Gots ta go through some of those steps again if you *reeeeeally* want it.

If achievement hunting and what item rewards call to you... if you have fun along the way or you think the end result will bring about great fun, by all means, go for it!

I personally don't have fun going for most of these. Some achievements have equated to getting the shell together on some faction leves across the realms with some costume swapping and picture taking, so to me, was quite fun. But I wouldn't suggest changing your gaming lifestyle for these (unless it results in fun for you).

These luminary tools are going to be the base tools needed to upgrade to Legacy Item Tools (Relic Weapons).

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Some transferred over, others didn't.

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This I just don't understand lol. Its like so random the way they did that.

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It would have been nice if credit from pre-achievement actions could have been counted. Some transferred over, others didn't. Kill quests, exploration, levels, dungeons, and quests carried over. Crafting, gathering, leves, and gil did nots. Gots ta go through some of those steps again if you *reeeeeally* want it.

If achievement hunting and what item rewards call to you... if you have fun along the way or you think the end result will bring about great fun, by all means, go for it!

I personally don't have fun going for most of these. Some achievements have equated to getting the shell together on some faction leves across the realms with some costume swapping and picture taking, so to me, was quite fun. But I wouldn't suggest changing your gaming lifestyle for these (unless it results in fun for you).

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when achievments were first announced i coulda swore we were told nothing would be retroactive, for one, i am glad some were

some yeah it woulda been nice, but it didnt happen

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He is not and I'll tell you why. After achievements are put in, you both have to complete 3000 synths. He does not have an advantage over you at all, since that extra work you did was completed before he even started.

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he is and i will tell you why. by the time i get a luminary tool in game, which i am working towards, i will have done number of synths required twice. the synths i completed were completed in final fantasy xiv so it is no sort of an advantage to have the synths completed in this game to be counted towards an achievement in this game. if i had asked for the synths that were done in xi to be counted towards this game then it would be asking for an advantage, but not counting the things that have been done in this game does give another an advantage.

i spent millions in each class leveling the craft. can we all agree with grinding comes costs if you buy your own shards? i spent the gil to level the craft once already. the other person has not spent that gil to level the craft. telling me to do it again and them to do it once puts them at multiple millions of gil in an advantage because it has already been sent once.

nobody is asking for any type of advantage over new people, but they are asking to not be disadvantaged because they have already done the work once. hell i went as far back as saying even if it was only 1/4 credit towards it for people that were 50's already would be fine. it's just a slap in the face for those that have already went through once.

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This I just don't understand lol. Its like so random the way they did that.

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it wasnt random at all

some stuff was tracked under the old lodestone achievment system, those transfered over

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it wasnt random at all

some stuff was tracked under the old lodestone achievment system, those transfered over

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Ohhhhh!! Learn somethin new every day! lol

was about to say that, heh I think at best we can hope for though doubtful would be some credit based on your level as there is no way to really know what we actually dd ebfore hand. I realize why they did it, just frustrating and annoying. As pointed out biggest thing is, someone that goes 1-50 now gets exp and credit toawrds his achievement, now I don't get the exp, so everything I do time/money and such is just for achievement. Oh well will have to see how things work out heh. Just main thing is no reason for me to go fish/log/mine in most regions other then achivements, no exp, money I would get from selling isn't worth it, maybe a bit for crafting achievments but we all know the chances of getting the material you want/need isn't really sucessful at times heh.

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was about to say that, heh I think at best we can hope for though doubtful would be some credit based on your level as there is no way to really know what we actually dd ebfore hand. I realize why they did it, just frustrating and annoying. As pointed out biggest thing is, someone that goes 1-50 now gets exp and credit toawrds his achievement, now I don't get the exp, so everything I do time/money and such is just for achievement. Oh well will have to see how things work out heh. Just main thing is no reason for me to go fish/log/mine in most regions other then achivements, no exp, money I would get from selling isn't worth it, maybe a bit for crafting achievments but we all know the chances of getting the material you want/need isn't really sucessful at times heh.

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its already been asked and denied that we will ever get retroactive credit so asking over and over again at this point like some people seem to bve doing really is pointless

Yeah its great how SE screwed over their loyal players. Really nice of them.

P.S. Still waiting to this day to see if TheVedis can actually make a valid argument in SE's defense.

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Yeah its great how SE screwed over their loyal players. Really nice of them.

P.S. Still waiting to this day to see if TheVedis can actually make a valid argument in SE's defense.

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im still trying to figure out how they screwed you people

we didnt have achievments, so they were added

everything you gain from them is a bonus, not a screwing, we coulda, i dont know, not gotten ANY reward from any of them, and then you wouldnt even have that to worry about?


also, just because you dont like my arguement, doesnt mean its not valid, and im not exactly defending SE, just trying to point out how full of entitlement everyone is

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im still trying to figure out how they screwed you people

we didnt have achievments, so they were added

everything you gain from them is a bonus, not a screwing, we coulda, i dont know, not gotten ANY reward from any of them, and then you wouldnt even have that to worry about?


also, just because you dont like my arguement, doesnt mean its not valid, and im not exactly defending SE, just trying to point out how full of entitlement everyone is

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Posts 4,329 <--- Anyone with that amount of post on any forum is just spamming post on a daily basis to raise their post count. SE really needs to clean up the forums and remove the trolls so we can have some productive discussions about the game without people like you coming in and trolling threads.

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Posts 4,329 <--- Anyone with that amount of post on any forum is just spamming post on a daily basis to raise their post count. SE really needs to clean up the forums and remove the trolls so we can have some productive discussions about the game without people like you coming in and trolling threads.

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so the guy who is on topic, is the troll, and the guy pointing out the post counts of someone else and asking them to ban them and crying wolf/troll is in the right

god i love the forums

In the time youve complained you could have already earned 3 luminaries.