Please Make Limit Break A Default Ability Again

When Shadowbringers came out, I had no idea that they would remove the original options for the default abilities that were on your hotbar, including Auto Attack, Sprint and most notably, Limit Break. Since this change was made, it seems that no one either uses Limit Break or is even aware of its existence. There have been multiple times where I will call out of Limit Break in dungeons and trials and no one uses it and it has actually caused wipes on a few occasions. There was even an instance a few days ago, where I got The Ghimylt Dark for my roulette and drew an all noob party. I was Tanking and when I asked the DPS to use the Limit Break on the bosses, one of them actually asked me "What is Limit Break?". This had me thinking in an LOL manner, "that gold bar at the top of the screen that says 'Limit Break'? That's just there for decoration."

SE, please restore the original hotbar so that people, especially new players are aware of the existence of Limit Break.

Even back in ARR there were people who didn't know what a limit break was or just never put it on their bar.

Let's face it, if you make it to Ghimlyt Dark without knowing about limit breaks, it's willful ignorance that SE cannot fix.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

Let's face it, if you make it to Ghimlyt Dark without knowing about limit breaks, it's willful ignorance that SE cannot fix.

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new ppl who got jump potions might not know about it, tbh

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Originally Posted by Zomkei

new ppl who got jump potions might not know about it, tbh

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That’s not really something SE can rectify. They have a pop-up in place to please ask questions and read Tooltips and Active Help tips when you jump a job. If players cannot do that, what else is SE to do?

That said, I thought whenever you made a new character, the LB wasn’t among the default buttons placed on the bar? For crossbars, it was always your level 1 skill, auto-attack, Sprint, teleport, and return. LB was never placed on the crossbar for those who choose the controller scheme since I can remember, and I’ve played for 4 years. I’m not sure what Keyboard/Mouse users see, though.

Limit Break was never on the hotbar by default even on Keyboard. On new characters and upon equipping job stones for the first time.

Up to this day I still wonder why?
I know we get a help pop-up in the first dungeon explaining about LB but it's not intuitive for a new player to go digging through menus especially in the middle of instance.
Heck, I sometimes forget to put LB in my hotbar when I level a new job.

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Originally Posted by einschwartz

Heck, I sometimes forget to put LB in my hotbar when I level a new job.

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This is why you make a shared hotbar for important things you'd like to have access to on any job.

Also, I think you might also be able to click the Limit Gauge to execute the LB, instead of needing the skill on a hotbar. But I'm not 100% on that. And, still, not intuitive.

Finally, can confirm, years ago, only sorta knowing that LB was a thing, not understanding how to have a button to use it (before figuring out I could drag any of those skills or menus or anything else onto hotbars). Seem to remember that, in some of my earliest runs, trying to open the Actions menu and using the LB from there. So, probably yeah, was never on hotbars. Should be, tho.

I'm mostly annoyed that you can't make a limit break macro anymore to gauge pull distance on bosses since it no longer has a cast range.

This game if you start brand new teaches you almost everything with the notifications.
You cant fix ignorance, it will be stronk.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

That’s not really something SE can rectify.

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i wasn't saying SE should rectify it, it was aimed at "Let's face it, if you make it to Ghimlyt Dark without knowing about limit breaks". sorry for the confusion

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Originally Posted by SannaR

Even back in ARR there were people who didn't know what a limit break was or just never put it on their bar.

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Oh I used to be one of them! xD
I played as a Monk 3 years ago and people told me LB LB LB LB LB and I tried replying on my console (didn't have keyboard) and it took me forever to reply that I don't know what it is... ;____;

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

This game if you start brand new teaches you almost everything with the notifications.
You cant fix ignorance, it will be stronk.

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Almost everything.
I don't remember ever seeing any notification about limit breaks.

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Originally Posted by MistakeNot

Almost everything.
I don't remember ever seeing any notification about limit breaks.

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You are informed via active help upon entering Sastasha. However you also have 3 other active help pop ups at the same time that you probably will never read through before the rest of your party dashes off to mass pull the dungeon. Then by the time LB fills up you've probably forgotten it exists and continue to forget about it until you reach a point in the game where LB is actually needed (basically the end) and you realize you've never used it.

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new ppl who got jump potions might not know about it, tbh

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That would fall under "willful ignorance that SE cannot fix". People who use jump potions are expected to have taken some initiative to not be totally clueless.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

That would fall under "willful ignorance that SE cannot fix". People who use jump potions are expected to have taken some initiative to not be totally clueless.

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while i never said SE can/should "fix" this, brand new people just joining the game and using a jump potion are often over whelmed with information. it wouldnt be unheard of if they had missed it and not willful ignorance. if they refuse to learn, then yes.

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while i never said SE can/should "fix" this, brand new people just joining the game and using a jump potion are often over whelmed with information.

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And whose fault is that?

When you skip ahead you're going to miss stuff, unless you've done your homework beforehand. That's kind of the whole point of skipping stuff. You don't just pick up the fifth book of Harry Potter with zero prior exposure to the series and expect to understand everything that's going on, nor is it the fifth book's responsibility to bring you up to speed.

To be fair, even ppl who do know about the limit break seldom use them. I end up often using my caster lb on a single target because melee never ever lb, even when its called out.

It's one of those things ppl fail to remember cause they are either so focused on their rotation they don't think about it or they are just not watching their screen due to faceroll content.

Either way my caster lb is still better than those annoying melee who use it every time the first gauge fills cause they think 3 small lbs are better than 1 big one lol

Good luck trying to ask a ranged DPS to LB PULL!!!

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Originally Posted by Volgera

Good luck trying to ask a ranged DPS to LB PULL!!!

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I mean, I try to do that sometimes in alliance raids or for Nero. But people barrel on ahead and face pull the boss before it can finish casting. :p

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

That’s not really something SE can rectify. They have a pop-up in place to please ask questions and read Tooltips and Active Help tips when you jump a job. If players cannot do that, what else is SE to do?

That said, I thought whenever you made a new character, the LB wasn’t among the default buttons placed on the bar? For crossbars, it was always your level 1 skill, auto-attack, Sprint, teleport, and return. LB was never placed on the crossbar for those who choose the controller scheme since I can remember, and I’ve played for 4 years. I’m not sure what Keyboard/Mouse users see, though.

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I was under the impression that jump potions put you through a crash course. If they dont, or its like a 1 minute ordeal, that needs to be reworked so you have a solid understanding of fight mechanics. A simple 30 second combat prompt that explains limit break and has you use it would solve this issue, much like anything else that someone using a jump potion would need to know. I dont see how it's impeding a player to spend 5-10 minutes to take a quick course that explains the mechanics and you have to do them correctly. If you fail, you cant proceed through the course/fight and theyll reexplain the mechanic.

Limit Break is still a default ability as far as I can tell. It should be included on your main hotbar (#1) when you: unlock a class or receive/equip a job stone. When I jumped my Bard on my alt, it added the sprint/auto attack/tele/lb (I think Return still defaults to #8) block to my hotbar, even though I had bard to about lvl 30 before I bought it--but that was Stormblood. Are you saying that isn't a thing anymore? Because I don't remember if it did that for Dancer (I just assume it did, since its been doing since forever) but I can test it on GLD or MCH, the two classes I dont have.

A large portion of the community doesn't limit break because of the animation lock. It affects parse. Or so I've been told.

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

I was under the impression that jump potions put you through a crash course. If they dont, or its like a 1 minute ordeal, that needs to be reworked so you have a solid understanding of fight mechanics. A simple 30 second combat prompt that explains limit break and has you use it would solve this issue, much like anything else that someone using a jump potion would need to know. I dont see how it's impeding a player to spend 5-10 minutes to take a quick course that explains the mechanics and you have to do them correctly. If you fail, you cant proceed through the course/fight and theyll reexplain the mechanic.

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When my friend jumped a job on his alt, he said he received a pop-up saying to please read his tooltips, Active Help entries, and ask any questions he may have before jumping into content (I believe it referenced asking in the NN, but this isn’t always an option if players don’t meet the criteria to be in there—as a Mentor or as a Novice). There was no talk of them getting a crash course in how a job plays or anything related to explaining how specific mechanics work. This was back in mid-SB, so I don’t know if this has changed. I doubt it, though.

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Originally Posted by Zomkei

new ppl who got jump potions might not know about it, tbh

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Or new people who don't play DPS classes.

I would agree about rotations but most Melee classes I see not doing it are at the way bottom in term of dps. Meaning they cant be too focused on a rotation of the healer is out dpsing them lol.

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Originally Posted by Ursa_Vonfiebryd

Limit Break is still a default ability as far as I can tell. It should be included on your main hotbar (#1) when you: unlock a class or receive/equip a job stone. When I jumped my Bard on my alt, it added the sprint/auto attack/tele/lb (I think Return still defaults to #8) block to my hotbar, even though I had bard to about lvl 30 before I bought it--but that was Stormblood. Are you saying that isn't a thing anymore? Because I don't remember if it did that for Dancer (I just assume it did, since its been doing since forever) but I can test it on GLD or MCH, the two classes I dont have.

A large portion of the community doesn't limit break because of the animation lock. It affects parse. Or so I've been told.

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As a keyboard user, I have never seen LB on my hotbar when changing classes or making a new character.

You get a tooltip pop-up upon joining a party for the first time that literally tells you about limit breaks, what they do and where to access them. If a new player decides not to read those tips, that's their own fault.

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Originally Posted by Mhiro

You get a tooltip pop-up upon joining a party for the first time that literally tells you about limit breaks, what they do and where to access them. If a new player decides not to read those tips, that's their own fault.

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I disagree considering that it's one of several Active Help windows that appear when the player first goes into Sastasha.

The new player finally gets off the intro cutscene for their very first dungeon, their screen is covered in Active Help and the group is already running off ahead while the new player tries to get oriented. Since they're part of a group, the natural reaction is escape out of those Active Help windows blocking their screen so they can catch up to the group and contribute. They're not going to sit there and take 5 minutes to read through all of that. Once they're out of the dungeon, they're not likely to remember what all the topics for all those Active Help windows were even if they remember they had been there to be read.

What SE needs to do is add those pop-ups to the Hall of the Novice training sessions, which are intended to teach the player about group play before they go into their first dungeon, instead of waiting for the player to be in that first dungeon then throwing an information overload in their face to digest while the rest of their group gets impatient with the "lazy noob" still standing at the entrance apparently doing nothing at all. Even better would be for them to add a training session for each role specific to Limit Breaks. What is a Limit Break, what effect does it apply depending on the role of the person using it, how do groups determine who should use the LB and when.

I had it on my bar, and when I was called by someone to use it, (first time for me), I clicked it, then moved, canceling the cast timer that I didn't know about. It took a couple tries before I noticed the cast bar, but it was too late by that time.

This is one of the things they would include inside the Novice Hall tutorials. Before you enter sastasha, see?

You perform a LB just to see what it is and how to do it in acordance to you class and role before you get the must-have ring :3

Dunno why they never thought about this... '-'

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Originally Posted by Wanzzo

This is one of the things they would include inside the Novice Hall tutorials. Before you enter sastasha, see?

You perform a LB just to see what it is and how to do it in acordance to you class and role before you get the must-have ring :3

Dunno why they never thought about this... '-'

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Maybe it's because it's a little more complicated than you'd think. For example healer LB3 goes from near useless at level 1/2 to potentially life saving at LB3. You can enroll at the Hall of the Novice at level 15. You won't see a LB3 for at least 35 levels, but with Echo and overgearing it's more realistic to miss it for much longer. Tank LB is extremely situational as well. DPS is a bit more straight forward, but you'll be competing with other DPS over it and it might not be clear how to best use it.

Mentioning LB in the Hall of the Novice is probably a good idea, but it won't have that much impact. Some players won't be able to meaningfully use LB until long after they've forgotten about the Novice courses. The best way to promote proper LB usage is to teach other players. If it really bothers you (general you), provide some LB advice to new players. If you're in a position to LB, maybe mention at the beginning of the dungeon that you plan to use it. As a melee say "If we have LB at the second boss, I'll use it there so it will refill for the last boss" or if you're a caster "I'll use LB on the enemies in the next room since caster LB can hit them all".

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

I disagree considering that it's one of several Active Help windows that appear when the player first goes into Sastasha.

The new player finally gets off the intro cutscene for their very first dungeon, their screen is covered in Active Help and the group is already running off ahead while the new player tries to get oriented. Since they're part of a group, the natural reaction is escape out of those Active Help windows blocking their screen so they can catch up to the group and contribute. They're not going to sit there and take 5 minutes to read through all of that. Once they're out of the dungeon, they're not likely to remember what all the topics for all those Active Help windows were even if they remember they had been there to be read.

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I'm a fairly new player (only been playing for a couple of months now), and this is basically what happened to me. You get several Active Help windows all at once at the start of the first dungeon, and I had absolutely no chance to read any of them before the rest of the party took off. I escaped out of all of them just so I could keep up, and I didn't remember what windows popped up when I went back later.

A nice QoL feature would be a menu somewhere that lists the most recent Active Help topics you have received, so you can review them again later when you have more time. As it is, I learned about LB from reading threads like this and then looking it up on YouTube.

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Originally Posted by PyurBlue

Maybe it's because it's a little more complicated than you'd think. For example healer LB3 goes from near useless at level 1/2 to potentially life saving at LB3. You can enroll at the Hall of the Novice at level 15. You won't see a LB3 for at least 35 levels, but with Echo and overgearing it's more realistic to miss it for much longer. Tank LB is extremely situational as well. DPS is a bit more straight forward, but you'll be competing with other DPS over it and it might not be clear how to best use it.

Mentioning LB in the Hall of the Novice is probably a good idea, but it won't have that much impact. Some players won't be able to meaningfully use LB until long after they've forgotten about the Novice courses. The best way to promote proper LB usage is to teach other players. If it really bothers you (general you), provide some LB advice to new players. If you're in a position to LB, maybe mention at the beginning of the dungeon that you plan to use it. As a melee say "If we have LB at the second boss, I'll use it there so it will refill for the last boss" or if you're a caster "I'll use LB on the enemies in the next room since caster LB can hit them all".

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Yes, maybe! I agree.
But LB being showed on the novice hall tutorials at least would teach that LB exists and is divided by role and classes. No need to teach every single aspect of the thing at each tier of them (LB1, LB2 and LB3) to a party, but teaching that is a feature inside game and a lot helpfull will avoid people being surprised by a tank begging for a LB in a party that don't know what is a LB... '-'

About the situational aspect, let's just make a NPC there tell us this. "Study with your party the best moment and type of LB to be used for the most efficient effect according to the fight and party need" or something like... Easy to tell, easy to understand...

And yes, I totally agree with the last part. We can teach them about it at the start of a dungeon/trial. But I think the Novice Hall stuff wouldn't hurt them brains and give a base to start the talking...

Novice Hall courses begins just before Sastasha. Don't take much time to use LB for real in the first dg.

Also, not every veteran like to teach new bloods. So, some of them could end up discovering about LB only after a wipe or two.... or three.... or four.... or never... '-'

Not what i thought this thread was coming in.

I thought it would be to defend individual Limit breaks, like it happens in PvP. That would be much better than the one for everyone.

It's comical to assume that if the LB is once again a "default ability," that bad players would be "aware of its existence," nevermind actually use it when they should.

I joined mid stormblood and had no idea how to use an lb until after level 50. I was a healer main at the time and we ended up wiping on some trials. That's when I was taught. Side note: I picked up tank soon after and had no idea what enmity was or how to check. Boy were the early days for my tanking a rough ride