let talk future jobs

inquisitor someone suggest this to me

base similar to Cleric yet use flail or a mace and a small shield. may run into issue with with white mage. what magic would a inquisitor tap into

through medium armor is an ideal that could be brought in or chain mail

geomancer another good ideal.

dps

gambler hand guns expert

ranger
traps and posion expert with hand crossbow

mage tank or avoidance mage tank jobs. I been for mage tank use dual scimitar.

you have rune knight or mystic knight with dual scimitars being an avoidance tank this something we yet to have

I would like a new Healer job or a new Range Dps job, just so that there would be 4 jobs in each group. Would honestly love a new healer job between the two, but I could not think of a unique gimmick to set it apart from the other 3 jobs atm. I mean, for me, WHM has the big heals, SCH can constantly heal, and AST is a small mix of the two with a focus on buffing. So, a job class that doesn't fully follow these and has it's own gimmick would possibly be interesting, to me.

Geomancer sounds neat, but the gimmick is field magic if I'm recalling right, so just spamming the same move in a dungeon cause the place didn't change. Maybe have an ability that makes a temporary field circle that you can stand in to cast a different move. I would say include weather, but dungeons tend to not care about that. Also this would technically make it the 5th Magic DPS, so I'm not sure.

These new job threads seem to die fast but I always find them fun (like I enjoy the new area, gear, and music threads too).

I've a few I think might be fun to play but I probably most want to see transformation gimmick used at least once in FFXIV (in a job). I'd also love to see some "weird" / less typical weapons.

So I'll touch upon these three thoughts I've had:

• Shapeshifter - weapon: like a living cloth cloak / shawl / sash as their weapon (vibes of Vincent's cloak, Dr. Strange's cloak, Spawn's Armor (Comic book), Bayonetta's whole hair gimmick, Voldemort's robes in the movie scene, Nezha's sash (Chinese mythology), etc- I think visually you could have a lot of fun with these as weapons.. (weapons that're also a fashion, and you could vary the style a lot- going from cloaks, tattered cloth, to a huge cursed ribbon). It'd probably make the job stand out especially if you nail a nice looking mid and close range attack animations)
• Tank Mage / Or Heavy Bruiser Mage (battle mage) - weapon: twin elemental pylons (vague Starcraft imagery lol) that charge into element aspected shields (so like giant stone shield walls or fountains of fire)
• Aggressive Healer (perhaps dark themed) - weapon: chain whip with a bell on handle end (bell being used for a lot of the magic, can give it an otherworldly feel like a call from beyond the grave vibe). Bell may be switched out with a lantern (I imagine the lantern/bell held in one hand and then a bit further down the chain is a second grip the where they can flick, whip, and whirl the weapon end of the chain whip- so a two handed whip weapon concept). Even more fun if the lantern is the bell lol (like a ghostly flame lights in combat and by shaking the lantern the flame reverberates a bell like sound).

For the shapeshifting job I wrote a thread: here, but the general gist of desire would be:
If I can put my finger on the scale of theme I'd like it to head towards Terra Bradford (Esper), Vincent (Chaos, Dirge of Cerberus), Shadow Hearts (I/II- Yuri/Harmonixer), Dante (Devil Trigger). I think ideally to fit the game set up there would be some sort of encouragement to shift forms and each having a twist or gimmick that makes them feel distinct. So while each form aims to deal damage one might focus on survival, another on mobility, burst damage, etc- and the order might be helpful depending on the fight but you're not locked into one role forever based on the enemy (mechanics maybe encouraging that further, like ripping from Shadow Hearts the longer you're transformed the less sane you become lol- so form shifting might be a way of maintaining some job resource).

On the tank mage (tank) or heavy bruiser mage (DD, dragoon armor group):
I thought it would be fun to be inspired by Golbez, Ex-Death, and maybe a bit of Magus (chrono trigger). Also had envisioned two pylons, the non-energized form could vary depending on whatever the artist feels like.. for example they could be three rings on each side of the belt that then "fill out" when activated to form aspect ready pylons (thinking that diamond shape from starcraft) or they could be more like uniquely shaped clubs / scabbards that aspected energy use as scaffolding. Anyway, when active they'll float around the mage and can be powered up. Some of the gimmick of this job could be powering, managing, and placing your pylons and deciding when to keep them around you (different effects depending). You might have both pylons up with earth energy behaving like two giant tower shields or you might find yourself with one spewing flames at location while the one near you is making an inverse Faraday cage. Would like for some of the moves to be more physical feeling like they might punch an enemy but their giant stone pylon comes along with it (so a big fat titan fist to the face basically). If as a tank they'd have pretty great range since most tank skills right now are melee but if they're a DD then they'd be on the shorter range side (they'd not be standing next to the black mage or bard, generally).

On the healer, which I had also made a thread: here, general idea:
Healer whose mechanics encourage aggression, might have a curse type of heal that acts like a shield from the source (rather than shielding an ally you'd shield the monster, probably needs an ogcd concept so it's not too easy / strong). Might see things like regens that activate when you attack or instead of defense pets you've an offensive one that focuses on a debuff. On the pets I imagined a slime / slug that's sort of minion-ish cute when small but grows into those nasty flesh eating ones as a single target pet and then as an aoe you've a cute little wisp that grows into a haunting mist (with shadows dancing in it, little shadowy claws trying to reach through the void). I've also heard some interesting mechanical/engineering ideas for a healer (Chemist with gadgets), though I prefer magic stuff but that's not an insult to those other ideas which I do think have some interesting potential (I'd still probably play it lol).

a rune fencer could weild two scimitar and gain rune for avoidance damage and use it cast spells to increase they ability to avoidance damage

The fact that there's been multiple references to people shape-shifting in Shadowbringers, I'd say the next class we get could be a shapeshifter one.

Maybe unpopular opinion but after a new healer I feel like SE should stop making new jobs every expansion and let the battle team focus on making the existing jobs more exciting. The more new jobs we get the harder it is for SE to balance those jobs while making them feel unique.

Chemist for healer seems obvious.

For any others I feel like it's a great time to try something interesting. Geomancer was teased at in Stormblood. Mimic and Necromancer would be extremely bold choices.

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Originally Posted by Rai_Takara

Maybe unpopular opinion but after a new healer I feel like SE should stop making new jobs every expansion and let the battle team focus on making the existing jobs more exciting. The more new jobs we get the harder it is for SE to balance those jobs while making them feel unique.

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I mostly agree, but -- at least among better class development teams -- it really depends. Some of the time, a new class can sort of shake up or otherwise put into sharper focus what it means to be any of the older classes. When more ambitious with depth of undermechanics, especially, older jobs can reap the benefits of new systems only recently imagined in the process of making the new job.

Okay, to be real, though in XIV most new jobs will probably be 70+% a repaint of old concepts. And while I'd like for XIV to seriously consider new job concepts, I want that consideration to be done with almost perfectionistic ambition, fully willing to delay the implementation rather than cheapen it to an existing template. And until that more ambitious version is ready, I'd prefer they pave the way for it via changes across the existing jobs with similar final goals for each of those.

I'd like to see a mace/hammer using job, and a slow, hard hitting DPS.

You could merge both concepts but I'd be satisfied with either. Think something along the lines of arms warrior from WoW, a (traditionally) slow paced melee job that hits hard.

I'd like some kind of mage that isn't focused on channeling the magic in the form of a spellcast. You know how in some anime, the mages punch each other with fiery fists and what-not, rather than using a wand or cane? Something like that.

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Originally Posted by Rai_Takara

Maybe unpopular opinion but after a new healer I feel like SE should stop making new jobs every expansion and let the battle team focus on making the existing jobs more exciting. The more new jobs we get the harder it is for SE to balance those jobs while making them feel unique.

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I disagree, I hope every expansion brings a new job, doesn't have to be more than 1 or 2 but that the niche of final fantasy job system, and remember they don't have talent trees like other games so jobs act like talent trees.

through I can see Rai point. I been for Limit job which many aren't for. I do argee it be nice have more jobs so the non-limit jobs folks can be happy too I been also for have more companion like dragonling.

Chemist for Healer

Gambler for Ranged DPS

Geomancer for Caster DPS

4 of each jobs there (excluding limited jobs)

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Originally Posted by Brightshadow

I disagree, I hope every expansion brings a new job, doesn't have to be more than 1 or 2 but that the niche of final fantasy job system, and remember they don't have talent trees like other games so jobs act like talent trees.

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I'd definitely like to see SE put more focus to at least get jobs that need attention properly in order. But I think this is a fair point and is generally how I've viewed it. So although other MMO's have few classes, they have more things to balance. In a way, I guess by throwing out talent trees is what allows SE to provide us with more jobs.

But as an example, you can look at Shaman on WoW. One tree chains spells like a RDM, on one tree it dual weilds melee weapons that could be viewed in a similar light to NIN or MNK and then its last tree is more like a WHM. It's technically one class, but three different play styles that could fill jobs of their own. SW:TOR was also the same, like if you were a scroundrel, if you took the dirty fighting build, you're a gun user who operate a lot at melee range doing a mix of melee and non-melee moves and a lot of useful CC stuff, whereas another build focuses on dual wielding pistols at a range to blast the hell out of enemies.

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Originally Posted by Brightshadow

I disagree, I hope every expansion brings a new job, doesn't have to be more than 1 or 2 but that the niche of final fantasy job system, and remember they don't have talent trees like other games so jobs act like talent trees.

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Yeah I think I'd be a bit unimpressed and unhappy if they were like "no new jobs this expansion" (and limited jobs don't count as a new job in this sense, imo- advanced job would though ofc).

I could see lower job numbers being okay if there were other major things going on though, like only 1 job but we've spared no expense on making every single job as best as we can to the theme- for example summoner's whole glamour egi/demi thing is sorted out and just "boom, we've the whole pantheon now".

Alternatively, on a personal level, I would still be very hyped for an expansion if they were like we didn't add new jobs but we added a glamour book (holds all the possible glamours), personal/physical world space airship/worldmap content, chocobo beast tribe/hot and cold, and instanced pocket world housing system akin to Rift / Wildstar that every single player and FC can take part in (MSQ and other requirements may apply, but no technical / system limitations - also if you give it a Howel's Moving Castle magical door twist then I believe Ward users will be able to take advantage without losing anything). Although that's on a personal level, some people would be like "I care not for any of those systems, or don't value them enough over a new job" (that and before stopping to make jobs a new healer could go a long way to make healers feel not like the bottom of the barrel citizen lol). So taking every ounce of that job creation resources and pouring it into other new major content instead, I mean I listed a lot of huge features so.. maybe hard to do all that for one expansion but I'd honestly be like "-expletive- here's my money, give me the expansion now now now".

Definitely feel they're reaching a very tight jar, but unless they plan on going "blow our minds, is that even possible- they must have redesigned an entire core system" levels of features I don't think I'd be very pleased with no jobs.... (I mean I know I wouldn't lol, no jobs means there, imo, better be a HUGE new feature).

Not that I'm suggesting others would be willing to make that comprise (very aware some are not), just saying if they did a pitch for those new huge system features above and the cost of a job I'd not cry (just don't tell me which job hit the chopping block- tease it into the game rather and release it next time, else I might lol).

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Originally Posted by Brightshadow

I disagree, I hope every expansion brings a new job, doesn't have to be more than 1 or 2 but that the niche of final fantasy job system, and remember they don't have talent trees like other games so jobs act like talent trees.

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In my opinion, we don't need new jobs anymore aside from the last healer. The game is trying very hard to make all archetypes as effective as they can be with no distinct advantages. If you want new jobs, all they'll be is the same job as we have currently but with different animations. If that's okay with you, sure we can keep adding more jobs. But considering people are complaining about homogenization, adding more jobs will only further homogenize the jobs to make the balancing easier. I don't believe SE will ever stop trying to balance jobs to match effectiveness and while that stance is taken, new jobs are just going to be current jobs with different effects.

Personally, I'd rather see the job team flesh out the current jobs even more. If we want all these wild concepts that people keep bringing up from other games, the job team needs time to test them. It takes a year to develop a new job for the team, and they're having to produce new jobs. That means right now they are developing the job for the next expansion!! On top of having to design new stuff for the existing jobs. I don't see how they have the time for it and it somewhat shows with the jobs this expansion. If we keep pushing for new jobs for the sake of it, all they can do is copy paste most of the jobs toolkits to a new job just to arbitrarily add another new job for the sake of a new expansion.

While new jobs themselves are content, I think we could get more out of re-evaluating the current jobs and refining them.

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Originally Posted by Rai_Takara

Maybe unpopular opinion but after a new healer I feel like SE should stop making new jobs every expansion and let the battle team focus on making the existing jobs more exciting. The more new jobs we get the harder it is for SE to balance those jobs while making them feel unique.

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I agree on one hand, but on the other we got no tank in ShB because they wanted to focus on perfecting the existing 3 and DRK ended up in an extremely bad state and was left like that for the expansion, while Warrior ended up being op. In ShB we got no new healer so they could focus on the existing 3 and they ruined AST while making healing overall far more dull. Tanking too is in a very bland, simplified and unexciting state this expansion.

I'm all for skipping new jobs to improve existing content but ...well, they need to actually improve existing content.

Time Mage: Caster DPS that would serve a similar role to DNC as a support DPS

Example of some spells/mechs:
1.) Haste: lowers recast of gcd of regular skills and abilities in half and increases auto attack rate. (Duration: 60s/Recast: 45s)
2.) Slow: ogcd spell that can be used on cooldown.
3.) Job mech: Temporal Quantum - these orbs appear around the battlefield 15y max from caster, when collected by party member or the TIM they increase TIM gauge allowing them to use stronger versions of spell such as Temporal Hastega which makes haste AOE for 1 min or Temporal Slowga which makes the slow AOE and unresistable.

I've given up on them adding another Healer to the game, however, I do see them adding in more Limited Jobs as a sort of means to revitalize old content by allowing Limited Jobs to use their own Duty Finder to group up and do content up to level 70, with Beast Tamer, Puppet Master, Rune Knight and Geomancer being added to fill out the 4 remaining roles.

Just something to think about.

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I agree on one hand, but on the other we got no tank in ShB because they wanted to focus on perfecting the existing 3 and DRK ended up in an extremely bad state and was left like that for the expansion, while Warrior ended up being op. In ShB we got no new healer so they could focus on the existing 3 and they ruined AST while making healing overall far more dull. Tanking too is in a very bland, simplified and unexciting state this expansion.

I'm all for skipping new jobs to improve existing content but ...well, they need to actually improve existing content.

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Adding more jobs that will inevitably be just reskins doesn't do anybody any favors though. They need time to sit down and think about current jobs. Tank and healer balance (aside from AST being a touch underpowered compared to how strong WHM is) is really good this time compared to SB. The gameplay might feel stale but that's what happens when they have to make new jobs all the while trying to keep the balance. 4th healer can come to appease healers but realistically we don't need a 4th one unless the plan is to rework AST further with their sects. If they get 2 years to spend on fixing the jobs, I'm confident that they could get something accomplished. Of course, if not, they can easily be held accountable for it too.

If the choice is fleshed out current jobs, or new jobs but all of them are watered down, I am going to pick the former.

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Originally Posted by Rai_Takara

Maybe unpopular opinion but after a new healer I feel like SE should stop making new jobs every expansion and let the battle team focus on making the existing jobs more exciting. The more new jobs we get the harder it is for SE to balance those jobs while making them feel unique.

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I'd agree if we didn't have an imbalance between Healer and Tank, personally I think we need one more healer, one more caster, and then maybe one more Phys Ranged. And no, not counting limited jobs.

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Originally Posted by Freyt

Chemist for healer seems obvious.

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Chemist for Healer

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I see so many people suggest this. Please no, or if we do get it don't call it "chemist" because it's already way too similar in name to "Alchemist" the crafting job we have.

EDIT: Also, doesn't that mean we technically already have it in the game? IDK that's just my opinion.

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I see so many people suggest this. Please no, or if we do get it don't call it "chemist" because it's already way too similar in name to "Alchemist" the crafting job we have.

EDIT: Also, doesn't that mean we technically already have it in the game? IDK that's just my opinion.

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I think I remember Yoshi saying Alchemist was FFXIV's version of Chemist and I'm confused why Chemist keeps being brought up as a combat job after that.

I'm gonna go here and say that completely new jobs (as in fantasy wise) are probably not in the cards. They all have been classic FF jobs or based on FF hero's.

As a fan of FFT, there are 2 classes i think would be perfect for next time around.

The Geomancer and the Chemist.

Though i personally would love a melee DPS job based on Cloud.

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Originally Posted by Rai_Takara

Maybe unpopular opinion but after a new healer I feel like SE should stop making new jobs every expansion and let the battle team focus on making the existing jobs more exciting. The more new jobs we get the harder it is for SE to balance those jobs while making them feel unique.

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I don't get that.

WoW technically has 36 pretty distinct jobs. You think FF is as it's limit with 17? Looking at Shadowbringers, all jobs got cool stuff. I don't know where the idea that for there to be more good stuff we would need to sacrifice new jobs...

I hope they fix first the mess of a class system thats there and give the game first a clear and complete structure on which can be build up the system.

1. Remove all Beginner Classes, up until Level 15 is everyone just classles, a Novice, then you learn your first Class and turn Level 1 again with it.
2. All Classes get now their Starting Points in Towns as part of Guilds or wandering Masters that take you in as their pupils
3. The Progress Structure gets changed from Nobody > Class > Job to Novice > Class > Advanced Class

Example of now: Nobody > Gladiator > Paladin

Examples of how I want it to be:
Novice > Paladin up till 81 > Crusader
Novice > Samurai > Shogun
Novice > Ninja > Shinobi
Novice > Redmage > Spellblade
Novice > Gunbreaker > Gunslinger
Novice > Bard > Singer
Novice > Dancer > Choreograph
Novice > Summoner > Ritualist
Novice > Blackmage > Witcher/Witch
Novice > Warrior > Berserker
Novice > Dark Knight > Templar
Novice > Monk > Champion
Novice > Dragoon > Dragooneer
Novice > Scholar > Sage
Novice > Whitemage > Cleric
Novice > Astrologist > Visionary
Novice > Machinist > Technomancer

What would I like to see new?

Novice > Rogue > Gambler, splitting the Rogue out of the Ninja, turning this into an own Job Path, ending up as a Rikku FFX-2 Style Gambler.
Novice > Greenmage > Runologist, as a way to fix this Scholar/Summoner Mess
Novice > Hunter > Beast Tamer
Novice > Bluemage > Arcanist, turning it into a real thing, not this limited crap
Novice > Druid > Alchemist, current Alchemist gets renamed to Scientist.
Novice > Occultist > Necromancer
Novice > Geomancer > Shaman
Novice > Illusionist > Dreamcatcher
Novice > Soldier > Warlord
Novice > Strider > Ranger
Novice > Timemage > Chronomancer
Novice > Guardian > Patron

Only problem is, such an overhaul would require basically all the messed up ARR content thats so designed like a switzer cheesd full of design mistake holes based on lazy bad decisions not to give added new classes the same treatment like all others, so the perfect way how it should look like can exist only in my mind, because fixing this 6 year old mess by now is impossible. The chance to do that with much lesser effort is already several years over

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Originally Posted by Rai_Takara

I think I remember Yoshi saying Alchemist was FFXIV's version of Chemist and I'm confused why Chemist keeps being brought up as a combat job after that.

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It's because the players asking for it want a healer that doesn't fit that healer role stereotype of "the other spellcaster", which is a fair argument. It's also because those players are incredibly unimaginative, opting for their "security blanket" dream jobs of old over giving devs the chance to make something brand new to the series.

For the next healer, we have more options than we think. Something like Chemist could be a possibility, likely being tied more to a weapon used to deliver their potent potables that isn't just lobbing it, or we could get another caster-themed healer if devs wanted to play it on the safe side. As for healing mechanics, they could implement healing specialization systems such as delayed healing triggers (more heals like Scholar's Excogitation) or escalated healing (heals give a buff increasing healing by the caster) with secondary features such as minor healing via damage dealt (like less healing than HoTs generate) or damage deference, all just to name a few things that can be done when it comes to healing.

With another spellcaster DPS, this is also a role where there are a number of options. When Stormblood came out, Yoshi mentioned in two separate interviews about wanting to implement Oracle from FFT as a spellcaster and third job in the expansion, but they never had the time or resources for it at that point. Geomancer is another possibility, but I certainly wouldn't be looking to anything from the past for what it's all about (otherwise it'd just be Conjurer as a DPS). We could also get a job like Psychic or something that could defy the stereotypical perception of what a spellcaster is supposed to be. Another possibility could be a big reveal about how devs would have slow-built Blue Mage so it could ultimately become a standard job rather than a limited one, which could be nice and might result in slightly less dev work, but I'd not suggest holding your breath over it.

For physical ranged DPS, I think regardless of what job it is, it's going to force Bard into either being more support like Dancer or more damage like Machinist rather than trying to constantly walk that line between them in its perennial midlife crisis, and which side Bard falls determines what kind of physical ranged job we'd get. If Bard goes more support-side, then we could wind up with more of a slower heavy-hitter than Machinist. If Bard gets dragged more toward damage, then we could see something like Ranger or something with minor offensive support.

Overall, when it comes to jobs, I see two universal truths:

1) As long as the game is still running, we will always get at least one job per expansion. While it might sound unrealistic, jobs are what generate the most hype for every expansion, and it just wouldn't be a Final Fantasy game without having that broad swath of options to work with.

2) As long as players keep suggest jobs incompatible with the systems of FFXIV, there will always be Limited Jobs. Apologies to those die-hard XI fans, but they mostly have themselves to blame. Instead of whining about it, I prefer seeing them as a means of public testing for mechanics we would never otherwise get on standard jobs. All I can say to those who don't want to accept it is to push for more reasonable things that can make Limited Jobs a more enjoyable experience like giving them their own duty roulette as a means of providing more evergreen content that wouldn't waste time and resources like the Masked Carnivale does.

Singer/Performer as Healer Like in FF-X-2

There is a concept that I think would be cool, though I think unlikely as it'd be big. However, I think they should gut and redo the "class->job" system. Somebody already suggested something similar in this thread. But I'd not apply "advanced" job concepts, but "alternative" instead.

All jobs remain as they are currently. With each job you'll have core abilities, kinda like we have already. Then you have job-specific abilities. This concept is nothing new.

But each job can have an alternative that offer different job specific abilities. They retain job design & offer an alternative flavour. I can see some disadvantages, but I feel there are a few things it could address. As examples you could have:

• WHM -> Devout
• BLM -> Black Waltz
• SCH -> Sage
• AST -> Geomancer
• NIN -> Thief
• DRK -> Runefencer
• WAR -> Berserker
• SMN -> Caller
• MCH -> Turretmaster
• BRD -> Ranger

I think on the first glance, it's a way to introduce new job fantasies without designing new jobs. Because some jobs share similarities with others. I'd argue there'd become a point where this game has so many jobs they're hard to handle.

But I feel other issues could be addressed too. SMN has an identity crisis, some of us loved SMN's design in 2.0 & how it played whereas other lamented that it doesn't feel like a real SMN. What we've ended up with is two jobs squeezed into one. This would allow them to separate the two concepts.

There's those who liked the concept of rogue better than Ninja. They don't want the mudras and naruto runs. Thief I think would be a good way to keep this desire without designing a whole new job.

MCH could focus much more down its current path of shoots & big guns, whilst Turretmaster would be more of a pet focused play. And those calling for a Puppetmaster then have an FFXIV equivalent

BRD could go back to focusing on songs, whilst Ranger can drop songs in favour of using the bow more.

Then there's the arguments about simplicity versus complexity. This is something that comes up when discussing healer jobs. What if Devout had the core healing spells of a WHM, but had more variety in DPS moves?

The setback I see to such an approach would be balance, which is something they already struggled with and I think will be an increasing issue with more jobs. But I think the above could provide alternative job fantasies and offer another layer of choice without having to redesign entire new jobs (just modify existing ones). After all, some FF jobs are hybrid roles or advanced or modified versions of others.

This'd be a bit like what GW2 did. They added new versions of their existing classes to give a different feel and style of play whilst keeping core job mechanics and design. Mesmer goes from playing with illusions & deception to being a master of time & space with Chronomancer. Necromancer becomes more like a Dark Knight with Reaper. They aren't superior, just different.

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It's because the players asking for it want a healer that doesn't fit that healer role stereotype of "the other spellcaster", which is a fair argument. It's also because those players are incredibly unimaginative, opting for their "security blanket" dream jobs of old over giving devs the chance to make something brand new to the series.

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It's not so much that the players are unimaginative, just that we all know that the jobs added all come in one shape or another from older FF entries. Why propose something brand new when even the developers don't ? Doesn't make any sense.

Even the gunbreaker who is the only job who never previously existed as a job was inspired by a FF character.

Also I have seen tons of requests for a necromancer lifestealing healer which would be something "brand new".

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2) As long as players keep suggest jobs incompatible with the systems of FFXIV, there will always be Limited Jobs. Apologies to those die-hard XI fans, but they mostly have themselves to blame. Instead of whining about it, I prefer seeing them as a means of public testing for mechanics we would never otherwise get on standard jobs.

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Alright, let's see how the summoner worked in FFXI.

You collected avatars through various quests and items all around the world. Should never have worked in a game like FFXIV right ? Would have been a perfect candidate for a limited job. Go collect avatars all around the world, pokemon style.

Except it never happened that way, they ADAPTED the summoner to FFXIV, like they did with every single other job. Some like it, some don't, and yet it's still a real job that you can play in every content.

Blue mage is overall one of the job who has had the most different versions in all FF games. Sometimes you had to eat enemies to get their powers, other times the powers were just a Limit Break, in FFTA, they used a saber and could only learn certain spells with the help of a beastmaster.

They could have made a FFXIV non-limited blue mage if they wanted to. It never had to follow the XI model since no other job ever did. The scholar of FFXI was once again completely different from the one in FFXIV so why do we have to get stuck on the FFXI version of the blue mage ?

Get the spells through the job quests and just make it work like a regular job? Make it so you have to collect certain spells and put them on your bar to be able to get into regular content, while still having some other more overpowered spells not being able to be used in that regular content ?

Some players would have probably been disappointed by whatever they could come up with, but in the end, some players have also been disappointed by the limited version.

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They could have made a FFXIV non-limited blue mage if they wanted to. It never had to follow the XI model since no other job ever did. The scholar of FFXI was once again completely different from the one in FFXIV so why do we have to get stuck on the FFXI version of the blue mage ?

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As a lover of both FFXI & FFXIV, I get disappointed when it comes to bringing concepts over from XI into XIV, because in many cases like: Diadem, Eureka and Blue Mage is that they've not translated these concepts well or considered how FFXIV works. Some things can't be copy pasta'd. FFXI was slow paced and very job-focused, whereas FFXIV is faster and more mechanics focused and the jobs are considerably more lightweight and toned down versus XI's. So what ends up being engaging in FFXI is not necessarily engaging in FFXIV. It's why my feedback for making Eureka fun I took concepts I enjoyed from FFXI but suggested how to work them with FFXIV, as Eureka is essentially a reference to FFXI endgame content. For a start, I think Eureka would be more fun if the adapted the leves system so parties could spawn NM's instead of using fates, because you could employ more engaging and challenging mechanics and have smaller parties with a focus, rather than a free-for-all. This would still be a good (if not better) FFXI endgame reference whilst respecting what's fun with FFXIV endgame. At least, this would be one step I feel would improve the experience. After all, FFXI parties were still limited in number and spawns only claimed to the party, like they would be if it was built on top of the leve system. The fun/engagement would be from killing these spawns who have their own boss-like mechanics, variety could be then add incentives to use other spawns and to also chain killing mobs in between and not needing to FATE train. Then leave the world boss for each Eureka zone as a FATE, so it feels like everybody in the zone chips in to take down a big bad.

Whilst I still mostly like BLU and I am not against the concept of limited jobs, but it is in dire need of content to go with it, I hope 5.1 one brings what's needed to make it work, otherwise, I think they should think about how they can make it a non-limited job. And I think if they wanted, BLU could have been made to work with FFXIV mechanics. Back when I was theory crafting before BLU was announced, I came up with some ways of doing that. There are good examples of where they have done it, I thought RDM was intelligently done, I remember reading arguments about how RDM is not suitable for FFXIV, but I think what they came up with respects the job fantasy of playing a RDM and it flows well too.

But if we're talking FFXI versions of jobs, I think PLD is a good example of how the approach and feel of FFXI's PLD translated well into FFXIV. PLD typically used a sword and shield with a few defensive mechanics, they also cast white magic to heal themselves (and others if need be) as well as cast some offensive spells like Holy. And FFXIV PLD ticks all of those boxes, they gave it a casting section of their rotation through Requiescat so you have an incentive to work melee and holy magic together. This to me was another smart way of handling it. And PLD is fun to play.

Like everyone else, I'll mirror Chemist as a Healer. Since the name is too close to Alchemist, it could be named Physician, Pharmacist, Apothecary, Mixologist, etc. Especially if we head to Garlemald in 6.0, I think it would both make the most sense and fit the bill better. As for the weapon they'd use, I.. am in a bit of a doozy, I can't quite think of something. Maybe a cauldron? Or a potion gun. After all, nothing really says a Healer has to be purely magical in nature...

Alternatively, we could also get the Green Mage as a Healer, using a mace as a weapon. We could get Protect back, along with Shell and Reflect since they only exist in Eureka. They'd probably need some changes to not be silly in PvE, but since Green Mage has always been about buffs and debuffs, I do think it could be a more unique healer (at least on the debuff department).

There's also the potential of a Shaman, since we do know that the Xaela of the Steppes have healers that communicate with spirits for aid. So it could be a 'darker' healer that uses spirits and occult rituals to heal and aid their allies.

As for DPS and Tanks, I'm a bit more out of ideas, honestly.

I'd say Viking as a tank, like the FFIII class, but I think that would be a bit too close to Warrior. Similarly, I'd say Rune Fencer/Mystic Knight, but that would also be a bit too close to Red Mage since they mixed the whole 'magical swordsman' status to it. I could potentially see Occultist as a Magical DPS (like the Shaman, but offensive since Necromancer is a bit of a taboo lore-wise). Time Mage is also a potential for a Magical DPS.

Maybe Buccaneer for Ranged DPS, holding a hand cannon? Or maybe some kind of Demon Hunter, with a crossbow.

I suppose there's a big potential we'll see some more FFXIV unique classes (close to how we got Astrologian) in the future, which I'd definitely love to see.

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Originally Posted by VulpinusRex

Or a potion gun. After all, nothing really says a Healer has to be purely magical in nature...

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FFX-2 had alchemists that used guns to shoot out their alchemical mixtures
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Without going too into it, I'd love a Sorcerer/Sorceress job, utilizing wrist ornaments as catalysts for their magic. Primarily a melee-range mobile mage, the job would accrue Sorcerous Might (resource) and be able to spend the resource to utilize mid/long range attacks or save up to unleash a big magical attack, or deplete the resource overtime to enhance the potency of their attacks.

instead of Chemist why not Medic
I like how limited job done my self I realize that they different I came realize that system for them are more complex then system dungeon/raid jobs. have I don't think that kind system can be added without some limitation.

Medic would be a good ideal it could be more Garelen job
rune fencer weild dual scimatars like I said before dodge rate building up runic power
geomancer I like see how SE would do this

Ranger I love see how this could be done I think cross bow would be awesome weapon or hand crossbow

gamble use dice to get buff and debuff an instead ideal

I think crowd control might a nice thing.

We already know the next jobs will be a HEALER and a Caster, bringing all roles to 4 jobs per role, excluding range which will have 3. Or the might surprise us with 3 new jobs making all roles 4 per role, since I think 6.0 will close FFXIV because after this crisis the only thing left is the empire. i just hope the jobs are fun in design and have weapons that are not blades, great axes, shields, sticks, and books, but weapons that are whips, hammers, measures, crossbows, and my personal favorite dual weapons

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instead of Chemist why not Medic
I like how limited job done my self I realize that they different I came realize that system for them are more complex then system dungeon/raid jobs. have I don't think that kind system can be added without some limitation.

Medic would be a good ideal it could be more Garelen job
rune fencer weild dual scimatars like I said before dodge rate building up runic power
geomancer I like see how SE would do this

Ranger I love see how this could be done I think cross bow would be awesome weapon or hand crossbow

gamble use dice to get buff and debuff an instead ideal

I think crowd control might a nice thing.

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Medic showed up in FFXIII, and it was just a different name for white mage. You were casting cure's. So, i don't know what can be used there to create a unique job.

Did you mean, they would use mixing of potions like Chemist but just be called medic? I would really like for it to be called Chemist cause it more accurately reflects the theme. I would rather Alchemist job be name changed to Apothecary, wich is kind of accurate for what they do.

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We already know the next jobs will be a HEALER and a Caster, bringing all roles to 4 jobs per role, excluding range which will have 3. Or the might surprise us with 3 new jobs making all roles 4 per role, since I think 6.0 will close FFXIV because after this crisis the only thing left is the empire. i just hope the jobs are fun in design and have weapons that are not blades, great axes, shields, sticks, and books, but weapons that are whips, hammers, measures, crossbows, and my personal favorite dual weapons

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I don't know if they will close it after that. There are other threads to take. There's the new world, there's also other territories we haven't explored and so on. Eg. FFXI didn't end at Chains of Promathia where the main story thread went. They went to a new continent, went into the past and in the last expansion became pioneers in the new world.

we still haven't seen all of erozaths mind you

I like have use dual scimitar because one make joke on dnd and drizzt

rune fencer could weild two scimitars I never seen a mage tank job that be awesome ideal

I still want a garlean gun themed job as gunreaker was not at all what I wanted. I think a melee/ranged dps with a gunblade with some ranged abillities and elegant attacks for melee could be neat. A flail and gunshield could be a cool combo too but that would require creating a ton of new shields. And a garlean gunblade is probably unlikely due to gunbreaker which really sucks for me but I can always hope. If we end up getting no garlean gun themed job i'll be quite disappointed, I've always thought they have cool tech and would love to use it.

Healer: I'd like to either see the Chemist/Alchemist/Medic with a gun of some sort like everyone and their momma, OR a mace and shield wielding healer who does primarily melee dps to either enhance or give them access to their ogcd healing (with a baseline gcd nuke and heals for when fights force them to go ranged) I'm a sucker for cleric types myself, and they could also provide some value people who want to glamour all those outdated caster shields

Ranged: I've personally wanted Geomancer to be a caster dps, with their bells and emphasis on positioning (to emulate Terrain from the single player games and Cardinal Trance/Geo/Indi spells from ffxi) and using water/earth/wind nukes.

While I loved corsair in ffxi, mch and ast have their niche covered, so they could probably make it wield a pair of pistols like Merylwyb or something.

Melee:While we have more then enough, I do wish we had other jobs that use maiming and/or scouting armor. A dual wielding sword guy would probably work for that. Or the scythe. People like scythes.

Tank: we could do a rune fencer/knight or something, although I'd rather maces/hammers be used by healers, they would work fine for a rune fencer, if I wasnt expecting dual wield swords to be a dps that would be a given as well.