As an EU player on an NA server I'm getting kind of sick of these abilities with burst windows, I was really hoping something would be done about it for shadowbringers, but nope, so I'll post my suggestion.
Moves like wildfire, requiescat and inner release are really punishing to people with lag.
Why do I get punished for something out of my control? If you miss a cast within the duration it is a huge hit to your damage: Wildfire, even with the new adjustment is a 150 potency hit if you don't get the last attack in to the duration. Requiescat is gonna be a huge one now because that's 800 potency we're gonna lose out on if we miss the cast, inner release that's a 520 potency crit direct fell cleave down the drain.
Now with MCH and WAR you can get some skill speed to kind of compensate, which is still meh cause its stupid that the amount of stats I need is based on my server lag rather than actual in game conditions.
But for requiescat, pld's don't have access to spell speed, holy spirit and Confiteor is always going to have a 2.5s recast, while requiescat has a 12s duration, so while people somehow get 5 casts into this which should be mathematically impossible, people with lag are lucky to get 4 in.
So my suggestion is to change these moves into charge based abilities. Kind of like aetherflow or ammo. Make it so that when you use requiescat you gain 5 stacks of holy light, inner release 5 stacks of rage and wildfire 5 stacks of heat. That way no matter how long it takes you to cast your spells or use your weaponskills you still get 5 in. Nothing would really change, it would just mean if you have to move, or you lag or the enemy leaves the field, you don't lose our on some or all your damage, you can just wait until you're ready to finish your casts.
This would level the playing field, now people with better connections don't get an extra hit in over people with worse connections, everyone gets 5.
I'm sure other jobs have this issue too and that this won't work for all of them, I think ninja has it rough with trick attack and I'm sure some workaround could be done for that, but I'm just looking at the ones I'm most familiar with.
Please do something about these burst window abilities.
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05-30-2019, 02:52 AMValentineSnowPlease do something about these burst window abilities.
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05-30-2019, 02:54 AMXenociderOmega
Why are you playing on NA?
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05-30-2019, 02:56 AMCrystal_Raven
You are playing on a different continent and you are complaining about burst windows being difficult to hit because of server lag.
That is entirely your fault. You can choose to play on EU and have less lag or play on NA and have lag. You chose NA. Now you live with the lag. -
05-30-2019, 02:58 AMDzianprobably the same reason many EU people do. including my self. The EU data centre wasnt around when they started.Quote:
Originally Posted by XenociderOmega
I started on Saronia in 1.0 merged with Lindbulm to become Sargatanas. EVERYONE I know is on that server. why would i jump to an EU data centre?
For people with long standing friends and connections thats just not an option..Quote:
Originally Posted by Crystal_Raven
Also in my case even being in the UK I and many europeans never had any latency issues on NA servers until they moved the data centre back at the end of heavensward. -
05-30-2019, 02:58 AMValentineSnow
Because I started on an NA server in ARR to play with my NA friends, I've built a FC a house and relationships on my server so even with the addition of world visit I can't just up and leave at this point.
Regardless, it's not just region lag that causes this problem, there are plenty of reasons people suffer from lag and it's bad enough we get hit by AoE's that we weren't standing in on our screen because of it, let alone taking a dps hit for it too. -
05-30-2019, 03:02 AMCrystal_RavenYou can.Quote:
Originally Posted by ValentineSnow
You don't want to.
That's a rather important difference. Either way, this is a terrible idea, we really don't need the skill floor lowered any further than it already is.
Life isn't fair. You made your choice, live with it. The developers shouldn't have to cater to the choice you made. -
05-30-2019, 03:06 AMAxlStream
I mean, your lag is not SE's issue. They will not alter their design because you don't play on the appropriate data center even if you serve the excuse "i started on NA".
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05-30-2019, 03:07 AMNessaWyvern
Lol these replies about OPs location.
How about me from NZ :D I get 170ping to the NA servers, and they are the servers that I get the least ping to. I guess I should switch to Oceanic-- Oh wait, there aren't any. Guess I gotta move to North America then, if I want to play burst window classes.
Let's face it, it is SEs fault to a certain extent that they have classes that cannot be played properly due to ping. Anyone remember ARR Ninja? Mudras were an absolute nightmare, before they fixed it. -
05-30-2019, 03:10 AMAxlStreamIsn't the Japan data center closer to you? Couldn't get on Tonberry?Quote:
Originally Posted by NessaWyvern
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05-30-2019, 03:12 AMJeeqbit
I am EU and play on NA, and have no problems with Requiescat.
The game is designed to work well at very high pings, so there is probably another factor contributing to your ping. -
05-30-2019, 03:13 AMColinoI was in exactly the same boat and eventually had to move to the European DC because no matter how many friends and good times I was leaving behind, the game becoming unplayable was too big of a detriment. If you're on a bigger ping server by choice, it's unfortunate but you should be understanding that the devs shouldn't be changing the combat system based on players not being in the "right" data centre.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzian
There's lots of aussies on the JP servers, either they're all in the wrong DC or you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by NessaWyvern
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05-30-2019, 03:14 AMCrystal_RavenYour data center for ping should be JP. It is closer to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by NessaWyvern
Yet you connected to NA, which is your problem. SEs got nothing to do with your decisions. -
05-30-2019, 03:15 AMNessaWyvernI actually still get better ping to the US, due to the underwater cable that connects NZ to LA. I get worse ping when my Internet goes through Australia and then to Japan. The distance in cable is about the same from NZ to Japan, and LA to NZ, but there's much less connections between NZ and LA, and probably less traffic, resulting in the slightly higher ping. Plus both NZ and Australia has poor internet infrastructure, so going through Aus would naturally add some ping there.Quote:
Originally Posted by AxlStream
https://imgur.com/aMSi8hZ.jpg
I ran ping tests on both servers, and NA was slightly better, but I guess it's my fault and I should go Japan simply because its closer according to people in this thread?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crystal_Raven
Uhm, NEW ZEALAND is not Australia. It has differences in ping due to that fact. What's with people thinking New Zealand is in Australia? It's getting to be a meme at this stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colino
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05-30-2019, 03:17 AMDzianHonestly what the Devs should have done is left the data centre where it was... hell even the NA players said the same thing....Quote:
Originally Posted by Colino
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05-30-2019, 03:23 AMDrayce1This sounds like a Let it Gooooooo let it goooooo! And transfer to a data center near you issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by ValentineSnow
You can make new friends. Deal with it. -
05-30-2019, 03:24 AMHalivel
When I played on NA server with average ping about ~200, my only problem was actually Titan (cause it was 2.16 when I started to play lol). It was a pain. No. It was a pain. However, the game itself is quite playable even on high pings though you definitely will struggle sometimes with some things.
On EU DC my ping is ~90 if I remember correct, much more comfortable to play. But I have an alt on JP, where the ping for is almost the same as with NA, and well, I can't say it's actually that bad to play there. Though I wasn't on serious trials on alt since it has a baby-level so... They are probably same pain as Titan was, but there are ways to work with it. -
05-30-2019, 03:24 AMColinoYes, obviously, but most of us are making the assumptions that it is the same "continent" and since the DCs are based on "continent" then their best ping DC would likely be your best ping DC. Apparently that's not the case, which is a bummer. No one in this thread thought or implied for a minute that NZ and Australia are the same thing, btw.Quote:
Originally Posted by NessaWyvern
100% with you on that one my dude. I would have preferred to never have to leave in the first place, despite being "far" the original DC was not that bad for me and the game was certainly playable, after the move it was literally impossible to double weave. And PVP? Forget about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzian
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05-30-2019, 03:30 AMBright-Flower
I don't know if this will help but with PLD, requiscat is going to make the spells instant cast in ShB. Though still I assume with a limited window so may not help much.
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05-30-2019, 03:31 AMhynaku
I live in US and I get ping a 180 to 300 on NA server. But when play on JP server have only ping of 100. Makes no since to me why get better ping in country across the ocean. Than one 3 states away.
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05-30-2019, 03:34 AMNessaWyvernYeah, that would technically be the wrong assumption, because New Zealand is actually on a different continent to Australia, known as "Zealandia".Quote:
Originally Posted by Colino
It's kinda like saying Russia and the States are on the same "continent", just because they are close. -
05-30-2019, 03:35 AMnoxen
this thread is the literal definition of "that sounds like a you problem bud"
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05-30-2019, 03:38 AMNessaWyvernExcept it also affects people from other areas of the globe. Such as Aus, NZ, Brazil, and all the other places that have the game sold to them, but have bad ping due to lack of near-by servers.Quote:
Originally Posted by noxen
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05-30-2019, 03:40 AMValkyrie_LennethThat should tell you more about the quality of network infrastructure in the US than anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by hynaku
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05-30-2019, 03:40 AMSenorPatty
@OP you're asking too much.
You want the devs to undo all this work and change it because you refuse to play in a location closer to yours. -
05-30-2019, 03:43 AMHalivelWell... technically this is still our problem, sadly. Not like they will open a new DC somewhere in Kazan just because I, and all Russian players, don't have perfect ping anywhere on recent servers (we don't have perfect ping even in our own games though but that's another story). And not like they will change battle system because of this, when game itself is already more or less forgiving to high ping if you know how to deal with it. We actually need to look at new charging system in 5.0. It can resolve at least little part of this issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by NessaWyvern
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05-30-2019, 03:46 AMnoxenExcept they, unfortunately, don't have a choice in the matter. Whereas OP has stated they're an EU player connecting to NA servers. A choice they can make but refuse to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by NessaWyvern
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05-30-2019, 03:49 AMColinoI'm aware, hence why I used quotes when saying "continent". Your Russia/US comparison is a bit too hyperbolic though, that distance is more than double the space between Australia and New Zealand.Quote:
Originally Posted by NessaWyvern
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05-30-2019, 03:54 AMNessaWyvernLook again, at the distance between Alaska (Part of the States) and Russia. It's actually way smaller than the distance between NZ and Aus. I was actually being a bit conservative there. XDQuote:
Originally Posted by Colino
Distance between Russia and Alaska: 55miles at the Bering Strait.
Distance between New Zealand and Australia: Around 926 miles apparently.
And that's not counting the two islands in the Bering strait, one belonging to Russia and the other to the States, which are just over 2 miles apart.
If you count the closest islands belonging to NZ and Aus, it's 383 miles. Which is still a fair distance. -
05-30-2019, 04:01 AMKalise
1) What if, I add more SkS to my Warrior and therefore would be able to hit FC 6 times during IF? (1.66s GCD)
2) Other people only hit 5 uses of skills during these windows BECAUSE they stack SkS, even without any ping. Why are you trying to do it without any?
3) Holy Spirit has a 1.5s cast meaning the last one hits after 1.5s, not 2.5. Meaning 5x Holy Spirit takes 2.5 + 2.5 + 2.5 + 2.5 + 1.5 = 11.5 seconds (This will decrease to 10 seconds in ShB when it becomes instant cast)
4) Paladin most certainly does have access to SpS. Quicktongue materia isn't job locked. -
05-30-2019, 06:19 AMSanctifyOh man, how did I never hear about this continent growing up in school. Oh wait, because it's not a continent lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by NessaWyvern
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05-30-2019, 06:27 AMNessaWyvernIt is, several different geologist groups have come together to decide that Zealandia is actually a continent of some kind. It was decided fairly recently by those groups, and not taught in schools, so that's probably why you haven't heard of it. Geologist are currently trying to make Zealandia recognised globally as the 8th continent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanctify
Kinda like how oldies would call pluto a planet, but others would call it a planetoid. -
05-30-2019, 08:14 AMCabalabob
A lot of people focusing on the fact the OP mentioned region lag when this is an issue with any kind of lag in general. This is a direction they shouldn’t have taken the game in the first place. In ARR only monk had anything remotely close to ping related issues because of greased lightning. Then in HW they started adding gauges and tight burst windows to basically everyone. Now it’s just accepted that the game should only be playable by people with perfect connections?
This has nothing to do with skill, there’s no skill involved in spamming a button and praying the server wakes up and realises you’re doing something before taking your buff down. OP is simply asking that they design these moves in a way that allows everyone to reach the same result BASED on their skill, rather than the whimsy of the server.
Even if they just changed requiscat to have a 13s duration it would go a long way to fixing this, giving you enough time that you have more wiggle room than THE BLINK OF AN EYE to work with but not enough to get any extra attacks into it.