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After reading the letter from the producer, i would like people who have asked for Viera (and possibly Hrothgar) to humor me on something.
Could you think of another service or item you would purchase if the store or salesman told you "It's not actually finished, because that would've been too hard; but we worked on our own time to get something done." and still insisted on charging you full price for the item? Would your own employer let you get away with that? Would you let your own employees get away with that?

Is this enough to make me consider hanging the game up? Probably not; i was never interested in the two races to begin with, but i can see that this kind of practice won't serve the game well in the long term. I'll have to see if this mindset bleeds into future parts of the game; i hope it doesn't.

Edit: This has been up for a while, but this is not in regards to the gender lock of the two races. This is in regards to what i feel to be features that every race has access to but have been taken off the table from the Viera and Hrothgar; specifically, the lack of ability to display the headgear within the game (with exception of glasses, that were brought to us by time put in by the dev team; which seemingly had to be done behind the director's back as he had no knowledge of them doing this.)

Aren't you technically already paying, monthly, for an unfinished game?

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Aren't you technically already paying, monthly, for an unfinished game?

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No, i'm paying a monthly fee to access what is available within the game. An MMO is never unfinished, but there are certainly features within an MMO that can be unfinished when compared to similar content.
One of those being "We would've given them headgear, but it was too much work so we didn't plan on doing anything"; and it was only by the grace of Yoshi's staff NOT LISTENING to him that got us the least work intensive headgear that the game has to offer.

They would have been better off not adding them at all and telling the playerbase "Sorry, shops closed."

They never promised us Viera or Hrothgar for that matter. While they were glib about the restrictions at the EU fanfest and only admitted to the whole deal at the JP one, they never actually promised us a full release of both genders. It wasn't until fan backlash got to a noticeable point that they stated they would look into expanding the race at a later date. This isn't a case of getting a half finished product so much as being given a product that was completed as intended, but that could be expanded due to community desire and support.

Instead of complaining about it being 'unfinished' we should frankly be grateful they're even looking into giving us the second genders and that the dev team even went out of their way to crunch through other issues with their implementation before release. Because they very /very/ well could easily tell us 'no' and not suffer any major set backs.

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They would have been better off not adding them at all and telling the playerbase "Sorry, shops closed."

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So you would go to a furniture store, buy a bed frame and when it is missing a leg and the manager told you that "We could have reordered the piece, but that would have been too much work.. but one of the stock boys found a hunk of wood to put under it", you would pay full price for the item? Or would you think that you should have the same quality of item as the customer who purchased another bed at full price and it didn't have a missing piece?

Because that's the kind of situation this would be in anything outside of XIV, and i doubt any of you would be okay with it.

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They never promised us Viera or Hrothgar for that matter. While they were glib about the restrictions at the EU fanfest and only admitted to the whole deal at the JP one, they never actually promised us a full release of both genders. It wasn't until fan backlash got to a noticeable point that they stated they would look into expanding the race at a later date. This isn't a case of getting a half finished product so much as being given a product that was completed as intended, but that could be expanded due to community desire and support.

Instead of complaining about it being 'unfinished' we should frankly be grateful they're even looking into giving us the second genders and that the dev team even went out of their way to crunch through other issues with their implementation before release. Because they very /very/ well could easily tell us 'no' and not suffer any major set backs.

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Actually they did promise Viera and Hrothgar. They are used within the promotional material as new races for shadowbringers; and compared to other races, they are incomplete. They are unfinished.

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Actually they did promise Viera and Hrothgar. They are used within the promotional material as new races for shadowbringers; and compared to other races, they are incomplete. They are unfinished.

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To start no they didn't until they were revealed. Secondly they never promised us they would be more than one gender. Ever. They're incomplete to you but at no point did SE say they aren't being put forth as intended. Your opinion is fine and all but you're rewirting history here to suit your needs.

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So you would go to a furniture store, buy a bed frame and when it is missing a leg and the manager told you that "We could have reordered the piece, but that would have been too much work.. but one of the stock boys found a hunk of wood to put under it", you would pay full price for the item? Or would you think that you should have the same quality of item as the customer who purchased another bed at full price and it didn't have a missing piece?

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A more accurate analogy would be the store is trying to sell you a couch but you really want the couch /and/ a matching loveseat. To you the set isn't complete without that loveseat, but the store never intended to make one to begin with. Yet once you pointed out this issue the store took your request in mind and saw the sales potential for expanding the one item into a set and is now looking into providing both at a later date.

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and it was only by the grace of Yoshi's staff NOT LISTENING to him that got us the least work intensive headgear that the game has to offer.

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And putting in extra work. And they announced earlier that we would get NO headgear. I'm happy they announced something to try and be transparent but put in that extra to deliver more.

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Actually they did promise Viera and Hrothgar. They are used within the promotional material as new races for shadowbringers; and compared to other races, they are incomplete. They are unfinished.

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You're right, they did promise them...and we got what was promised. Yoshi P even took it a step further and gave the reason behind the choices they made, and also left the possibility of having the other 2 genders at a later date up in the air without making any promises. And as an added bonus, they decided to work on head gear for the 2 races when we were initially told there would be none for awhile. We are getting exactly what we're paying for, and based on what we've been shown and told, they are complete for the time being. Well, complete in the sense that they are to be added as they are. They probably have some finishing touches to do, or at least I would think so.

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So you would go to a furniture store, buy a bed frame and when it is missing a leg and the manager told you that "We could have reordered the piece, but that would have been too much work.. but one of the stock boys found a hunk of wood to put under it", you would pay full price for the item? Or would you think that you should have the same quality of item as the customer who purchased another bed at full price and it didn't have a missing piece?

Because that's the kind of situation this would be in anything outside of XIV, and i doubt any of you would be okay with it.

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But that's not the situation we're in.
We're getting a full product. You seem to think we're getting two half products.
Nobody complained about Miqo'te and Roegadyn being genderlocked in 1.0. Even when there was a female Roegadyn ingame readily available. They were still a full product, even if something was added later.

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To start no they didn't until they were revealed. Secondly they never promised us they would be more than one gender. Ever. They're incomplete to you but at no point did SE say they aren't being put forth as intended. Your opinion is fine and all but you're rewirting history here to suit your needs.

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Sorry, it's not rewriting history to say they promised us Viera and Hrothgar when they put them on the shadowbringers page and say "these are the new races and they come in this combo"; they're releasing unfinished races though because only via the effort of the Dev team doing something that Yoshi did not tell them to do (and they did behind his back) do the two races have the ability to wear tiny wire frames on their face.

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A more accurate analogy would be the store is trying to sell you a couch but you really want the couch /and/ a matching loveseat. To you the set isn't complete without that loveseat, but the store never intended to make one to begin with. Yet once you pointed out this issue the store took your request in mind and saw the sales potential for expanding the one item into a set and is now looking into providing both at a later date.

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No, that's not a more accurate analogy. It would be if i was talking about the male/female absence, but i'm not. I am speaking of a feature that EVERY OTHER RACE has, and that is the ability of to wear and display headgear. So yes, the "we shoved a wooden block to replace a missing leg" is an apt analogy for a race missing the feature to display any headgear but glasses (which as i said, is only there because Yoshi's staff didn't listen to him).

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But that's not the situation we're in.
We're getting a full product. You seem to think we're getting two half products.
Nobody complained about Miqo'te and Roegadyn being genderlocked in 1.0. Even when there was a female Roegadyn ingame readily available. They were still a full product, even if something was added later.

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Read what i'm actually saying, not what you're pretending i'm saying please. I'm not complaining about the sexes. I'm pointing out that every race in the game can display all kinds of headgear, but Yoshi decided it would've been too hard to make existing headgear fit them, so they don't get to have it.

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Sorry, it's not rewriting history to say they promised us Viera and Hrothgar when they put them on the shadowbringers page and say "these are the new races and they come in this combo"; they're releasing unfinished races though because only via the effort of the Dev team doing something that Yoshi did not tell them to do (and they did behind his back) do the two races have the ability to wear tiny wire frames on their face.


No, that's not a more accurate analogy. It would be if i was talking about the male/female absence, but i'm not. I am speaking of a feature that EVERY OTHER RACE has, and that is the ability of to wear and display headgear. So yes, the "we shoved a wooden block to replace a missing leg" is an apt analogy for a race missing the feature to display any headgear but glasses (which as i said, is only there because Yoshi's staff didn't listen to him).


Read what i'm actually saying, not what you're pretending i'm saying please. I'm not complaining about the sexes. I'm pointing out that every race in the game can display all kinds of headgear, but Yoshi decided it would've been too hard to make existing headgear fit them, so they don't get to have it.

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When they were announced at fanfest they were never said to be incomplete, nor did they claim a second gender was forthcoming for either. When Hrothgar were released specifically they mentioned the gender locking outright for them and made it clear for Viera as well. Do you want me to get you the fanfest slides the community generously compiled with every big piece of news or the twitch vod? Because this is all documented. Their blurb on the site came /after/ all of this. So, yes, you are rewriting history.

Also the headgear thing was literally solved this week. It's in the Letter from the Producer. Did you not read it?

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Read what i'm actually saying, not what you're pretending i'm saying please. I'm not complaining about the sexes. I'm pointing out that every race in the game can display all kinds of headgear, but Yoshi decided it would've been too hard to make existing headgear fit them, so they don't get to have it.

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Alright fair enough, but exception was made for these species due to the uniqueness of their heads.
And as is stands, there still is exclusion to some headgear pieces. We're getting what we were promised. Just because other races can wear pieces of gear, doesn't mean much when you have a vastly different facial structure. In exchange for the helms and such, we get different facial options.
For the exceptions to the exclusion, Japanese work ethics demanded that they do this, it wasn't some surprise present from the gear design team.

Maybe if this was 1.0 we'd get unique and fitting pieces of gear, without clipping in fact. But one of the fundamental changes to the game, announced so many years ago while 2.0 was in development, was the streamlining of gear. Every player back then was informed of exactly how their gear design philosophy was changing. Most pieces are made to fit one race then simply scaled to the others, rather than uniquely fitting the body shape of each race. (This is also what killed off the Miqo'te butts, sad times).

Sometimes you just need to accept things can be different without being less of value.

I really have no problem with "The Emperor's Headgear" I usually turn off non- glasses head gear anyway. And it isn't a game breaker in any sense of the word. Aaaaand they told us in advance. So, meh.

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When they were announced at fanfest they were never said to be incomplete, nor did they claim a second gender was forthcoming for either. When Hrothgar were released specifically they mentioned the gender locking outright for them and made it clear for Viera as well. Do you want me to get you the fanfest slides the community generously compiled with every big piece of news or the twitch vod? Because this is all documented. The site came /after/ all of this. So, yes, you are rewriting history.

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Okay. I will tell you one. more. time. I. do. not. care. about. the. gender. lock. That. is. not. what. i'm. talking. about.

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Also the headgear thing was literally solved this week. It's in the Letter from the Producer. Did you not read it?

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I did. Did you? I don't think you did.
What the dev team did, was they IGNORED YOSHI and what he said regarding headgear and made it that GLASSES could be worn. (he said he never knew, and i'll at least assume he's being honest)
Not helmets, not hats, not face guards, not anything but glasses. If you read what i said and didn't try to argue against things i never said, this might be productive.

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Alright fair enough, but exception was made for these species due to the uniqueness of their heads.
And as is stands, there still is exclusion to some headgear pieces. We're getting what we were promised. Just because other races can wear pieces of gear, doesn't mean much when you have a vastly different facial structure. In exchange for the helms and such, we get different facial options.
For the exceptions to the exclusion, Japanese work ethics demanded that they do this, it wasn't some surprise present from the gear design team.

Maybe if this was 1.0 we'd get unique and fitting pieces of gear, without clipping in fact. But one of the fundamental changes to the game, announced so many years ago while 2.0 was in development, was the streamlining of gear. Every player back then was informed of exactly how their gear design philosophy was changing. Most pieces are made to fit one race then simply scaled to the others, rather than uniquely fitting the body shape of each race. (This is also what killed off the Miqo'te butts, sad times).

Sometimes you just need to accept things can be different without being less of value.

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I guess the question becomes then.. where's the limit? How far are they allowed to go with the "it's easier to not do something than actually do something" mentality before people are allowed to criticize them?

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Originally Posted by frostmagemari

So you would go to a furniture store, buy a bed frame and when it is missing a leg and the manager told you that "We could have reordered the piece, but that would have been too much work.. but one of the stock boys found a hunk of wood to put under it", you would pay full price for the item? Or would you think that you should have the same quality of item as the customer who purchased another bed at full price and it didn't have a missing piece?

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In this case it's more like you went to a custom furniture store and they told you they were expanding their inventory of tables, but that the new model wouldn't have the option to add an inlay.

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Could you think of another service or item you would purchase if the store or salesman told you "It's not actually finished, because that would've been too hard; but we worked on our own time to get something done." and still insisted on charging you full price for the item?

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The full price is based on the original plan of having no visible head gear. This is just extra. The idea of "it's not finished" doesn't really work here because they decide what they will do given the time they set and charge you for it. If you don't think what they're offering is not worth the cost they're charging, then feel free not to buy it, but it's not a case of charging full price for an "unfinished" product. It's finished according to their schedule, and that includes any change they make throughout the expansion.

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I guess the question becomes then.. where's the limit? How far are they allowed to go with the "it's easier to not do something than actually do something" mentality?

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Ah yes.. hit us with that slippery slope fallacy.

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I guess the question becomes then.. where's the limit? How far are they allowed to go with the "it's easier to not do something than actually do something" mentality?

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Raids? Dungeons? Hildebrand? Relics? ......Belts. You used to be able to change your belt. Now I'd love to have a big ol elvis belt buckle, but they don't do belts anymore. MMOs always have content that isn't finished at expansion launch. Adding headgear for the new races doesn't seem to be in the same category as abandoning belts completely. Plus he never said they only did glasses. But if they did it's better than the original expectation of none, or belts.

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One of those being "We would've given them headgear, but it was too much work so we didn't plan on doing anything"; and it was only by the grace of Yoshi's staff NOT LISTENING to him that got us the least work intensive headgear that the game has to offer.

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Honestly I find this sort of attitude quite annoying. We were told previous things since it was the most likely outcome with paid, working hours.

The fact that we have bunch of headgear now available for two new races is because those workers decided to use their own, free time, on top of working hours.

Or would you want your boss to expect you to work for free every evening, on top of your normal 8 to 16 -hours? Potentially skipping all work breaks during the day while at it? :confused:

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No, that's not a more accurate analogy. It would be if i was talking about the male/female absence, but i'm not. I am speaking of a feature that EVERY OTHER RACE has, and that is the ability of to wear and display headgear. So yes, the "we shoved a wooden block to replace a missing leg" is an apt analogy for a race missing the feature to display any headgear but glasses (which as i said, is only there because Yoshi's staff didn't listen to him).

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That's not the right analogy. A chair missing a leg is equivalent to the character model itself being incomplete - missing parts of their actual body.

It's more like if the shop normally sold wooden chairs with matching seat cushions (bought separately), but this design is an unusual shape and they haven't made cushions to fit them yet. So they say "here's our new design - it's not compatible with our cushions, but we're working on making ones that fit". You can buy the chair now if you like it and don't mind that an optional extra piece can't be added to it.

All the work they put into keeping this game afloat as smooth as butter, the work they do to keep content coming in a reasonable and exciting fashion, and go the extra mile to implement something they weren't even sure was even going to make it in on time and still people complain. Still people are entitled. Still people are spoiled and ungrateful.

They actually care unlike other mmos that couldn't give a flying foxtrot about you or anyone else's wortheless agenda, but these people TRY to take everyone into consideration. And you asked if we could think of another service that what essentially effs you over royally with broken promises I think I can name a few. How about Anthem? How about Fallout 76? Mass effect andromeda? Bless Online anyone? That's just a few. Now go try those heaps of garbage and come back and tell me if this shamelessly passive agressive post warrants any merit because it doesn't.
If you dont like that this game doesn't pamper your every whim and fancy maybe just leave? Because clearly if people are so upset that a gender for a race with which assest don't even exist for and would take a tremendous amount of time and money to make is enough to make them spew nonsense like sexism and other horrible things, then maybe they were never really here to play the game to begin with.

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Ah yes.. hit us with that slippery slope fallacy.

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How is it a fallacy? What is your end point? In the post i quoted, they already mentioned things that fell off the game because it was easier not to put those things in than dealing with putting them in. So where is your end point and you let people criticize the game and their decisions?

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Honestly I find this sort of attitude quite annoying. We were told previous things since it was the most likely outcome with paid, working hours.
The fact that we have bunch of headgear now available for two new races is because those workers decided to use their own, free time, on top of working hours.

Or would you want your boss to expect you to work for free every evening, on top of your normal 8 to 16 -hours? Potentially skipping all work breaks during the day while at it? :confused:

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No, i would expect my boss to ensure we have adequate staffing in the departments that need them as the company is able to provide the services and products we promise, rather than make excuses to why you won't deliver baseline features that have been part of every other player race. (such as visible headgear).

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That's not the right analogy. A chair missing a leg is equivalent to the character model itself being incomplete - missing parts of their actual body.

It's more like if the shop normally sold wooden chairs with matching seat cushions (bought separately), but this design is an unusual shape and they haven't made cushions to fit them yet. So they say "here's our new design - it's not compatible with our cushions, but we're working on making ones that fit". You can buy the chair now if you like it and don't mind that an optional extra piece can't be added to it.

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The ability to display headgear isn't an optional feature within the other races. It is part of the core gear display capability of all other player races. So no, this is not a "this couch doesn't have cushions", it is comparable to a piece missing because it is part of the capabilities of every other player race.

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All the work they put into keeping this game afloat as smooth as butter, the work they do to keep content coming in a reasonable and exciting fashion, and go the extra mile to implement something they weren't even sure was even going to make it in on time and still people complain. Still people are entitled. Still people are spoiled and ungrateful.

They actually care unlike other mmos that couldn't give a flying foxtrot about you or anyone else's wortheless agenda, but these people TRY to take everyone into consideration. And you asked if we could think of another service that what essentially effs you over royally with broken promises I think I can name a few. How about Anthem? How about Fallout 76? Mass effect andromeda? Bless Online anyone? That's just a few. Now go try those heaps of garbage and come back and tell me if this shamelessly passive agressive post warrants any merit because it doesn't.
If you dont like that this game doesn't pamper your every whim amd fancy maybe just leave? Because clearly if people are so upset that a gender for a race with which assest don't even exist for and would take a tremendous amount of time and money to make is enough to make them spew nonsense like sexism and other horrible things, then maybe they were never really here to play the game to begin with.

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I'm so glad you actually read my issue and aren't just flying into a rage not knowing what i actually said. Yup.. so glad.

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All the work they put into keeping this game afloat as smooth as butter, the work they do to keep content coming in a reasonable and exciting fashion, and go the extra mile to implement something they weren't even sure was even going to make it in on time and still people complain. Still people are entitled. Still people are spoiled and ungrateful.

They actually care unlike other mmos that couldn't give a flying foxtrot about you or anyone else's wortheless agenda, but these people TRY to take everyone into consideration. And you asked if we could think of another service that what essentially effs you over royally with broken promises I think I can name a few. How about Anthem? How about Fallout 76? Mass effect andromeda? Bless Online anyone? That's just a few. Now go try those heaps of garbage and come back and tell me if this shamelessly passive agressive post warrants any merit because it doesn't.
If you dont like that this game doesn't pamper your every whim amd fancy maybe just leave? Because clearly if people are so upset that a gender for a race with which assest don't even exist for and would take a tremendous amount of time and money to make is enough to make them spew nonsense like sexism and other horrible things, then maybe they were never really here to play the game to begin with.

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How many of the people that want male Viera are claiming sexism? Most seem to be wanting something and asking the devs for that something with very few pulling the sexist/homophobic card. What about all the other things that players asked for that got added? If those worked why wouldn't people try for this at the very least? Was it pampering to their ever whim when males got the bunny suit? Entitled? Sure some are being really sour about this but not all of them at all. Ungrateful? Again, some are but not all. Clearly it's something people care about in game or all these threads wouldn't show up every time new info comes out.

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I'm so glad you actually read my issue and aren't just flying into a rage not knowing what i actually said. Yup.. so glad.

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You'll have to forgive me for losing my cool with "whine about no bunny boi" thread number 8,945 /shrug

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You'll have to forgive me for losing my cool with "whine about no bunny boi" thread numver 8,945 /shrug

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Sure, sure.. except i never said that. In fact, as i told another poster....

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Okay. I will tell you one. more. time. I. do. not. care. about. the. gender. lock. That. is. not. what. i'm. talking. about.

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But.. why would we READ something on a forum?

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Sure, sure.. except i never said that. In fact, as i told another poster....

But.. why would we READ something on a forum?

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You should probably edit your post then, because it gives no mention to the headgear, and simply looks like a gendered race rant.

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After reading the letter from the producer, i would like people who have asked for Viera (and possibly Hrothgar) to humor me on something.
Could you think of another service or item you would purchase if the store or salesman told you "It's not actually finished, because that would've been too hard; but we worked on our own time to get something done." and still insisted on charging you full price for the item? Would your own employer let you get away with that? Would you let your own employees get away with that?

Is this enough to make me consider hanging the game up? Probably not; i was never interested in the two races to begin with, but i can see that this kind of practice won't serve the game well in the long term. I'll have to see if this mindset bleeds into future parts of the game; i hope it doesn't.

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At this point, I'm rating this bait 10/10.

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After reading the letter from the producer, i would like people who have asked for Viera (and possibly Hrothgar) to humor me on something.
Could you think of another service or item you would purchase if the store or salesman told you "It's not actually finished, because that would've been too hard; but we worked on our own time to get something done." and still insisted on charging you full price for the item? Would your own employer let you get away with that? Would you let your own employees get away with that?

Is this enough to make me consider hanging the game up? Probably not; i was never interested in the two races to begin with, but i can see that this kind of practice won't serve the game well in the long term. I'll have to see if this mindset bleeds into future parts of the game; i hope it doesn't.

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This analogy would work if either Viera or Hrothgar were missing animations, or if they were wearing just gear specially crafted for either race. But they work with all available gear, got their own emotes, 2 legs, 2 arms, a head, a torso, now we even get some accesories.

Just because it's missing either gender, it does not mean either is unfinished.

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You should probably edit your post then, because it gives no mention to the headgear, and simply looks like a gendered race rant.

At this point, I'm rating this bait 10/10.

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You're right. That was a fault on my part and i'll make a note of that.
Thank you.
I've added that note to the initial post.

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No, i would expect my boss to ensure we have adequate staffing in the departments that need them as the company is able to provide the services and products we promise, rather than make excuses to why you won't deliver baseline features that have been part of every other player race. (such as visible headgear).

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Well, you do you, I guess. I never saw them promise that we'd have "baseline feature", for date X, but maybe I missed it in some interview.

I have next to all headgear hidden anyways, so I don't care about them.

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You should probably edit your post then, because it gives no mention to the headgear, and simply looks like a gendered race rant.



At this point, I'm rating this bait 10/10.

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"GIVE ME ATTENTION WHILE I BRING UP THIS NON-ISSUE REEEE"

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for sure

"GIVE ME ATTENTION WHILE I BRING UP THIS NON-ISSUE REEEE"

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So i guess this isn't your point then. We're not allowed to criticize the game yet. Perhaps the next feature they decide they don't need anymore.

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This analogy would work if either Viera or Hrothgar were missing animations, or if they were wearing just gear specially crafted for either race. But they work with all available gear, got their own emotes, 2 legs, 2 arms, a head, a torso, now we even get some accesories.

Just because it's missing either gender, it does not mean either is unfinished.

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Please read the plethora of posts i have made during this thread that mention this is not about the sexes. This is about the issue of headgear, a display feature that is present in all races with exception to the two new races.

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Originally Posted by Anzaman

Well, you do you, I guess. I never saw them promise that we'd have "baseline feature", for date X, but maybe I missed it in some interview.
I have next to all headgear hidden anyways, so I don't care about them.

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So.. you would accept products to ship to you without baseline features, and that would be fine? You're right.. you do you indeed.

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Originally Posted by frostmagemari

So.. you would accept products to ship to you without baseline features, and that would be fine? You're right.. you do you indeed.

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I tend to inspect the product before I order one, so I fully know what I'm getting.

Anything after that is bonus.

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Originally Posted by Anzaman

I tend to inspect the product before I order one, so I fully know what I'm getting.
Anything after that is bonus.

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Okay. Just as long as you're clear that you'll accept products that don't even meet the baseline of other other components within the game. As i said, you do you indeed.

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Originally Posted by frostmagemari

No, i would expect my boss to ensure we have adequate staffing in the departments that need them as the company is able to provide the services and products we promise, rather than make excuses to why you won't deliver baseline features that have been part of every other player race. (such as visible headgear).

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Lol, okay. Let me tell that to my bosses, who can then be all big and tough and tell their bosses, demanding them to give us more labor hours to actually employ people. I'm 100% sure, without a doubt, that none of my bosses have ever requested more labor for our store, absolutely. One of the highest gross income stores? Being shorted on labor? Can barely maintain itself? Let me pour a glass in Yoshi's name.

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Originally Posted by Lewtskie

Lol, okay. Let me tell that to my bosses, who can then be all big and tough and tell their bosses, demanding them to give us more labor hours to actually employ people. I'm 100% sure, without a doubt, that none of my bosses have ever requested more labor for our store, absolutely. One of the highest gross income stores? Being shorted on labor? Can barely maintain itself? Let me pour a glass in Yoshi's name.

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So you are saying that Yoshi, a man on the board of directors at Square Enix; the body that has the most authority over what happens within the company cannot make sure that the flagship title that both saved the company and funds most other projects has adequate staffing?
You have a really low opinion of his capabilities and position.

Also, it's clear that you don't know how things actually happen within a business environment. It's not about being tough, it's about making a clear case that more staff would increase productivity as well as profit, just as cutting staff requires a clear case being made for the core staff you have being able to handle the work load while not reducing quality; and the fact you think it's about being tough, shows you've never been near a position of authority within a business.

What if we got lioness but thanos snapped away half the world to free the resources we need, youd feel pretty bad then wouldnt you, people who want that stuff

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Originally Posted by Yllania

What if we got lioness but thanos snapped away half the world to free the resources we need, youd feel pretty bad then wouldnt you, people who want that stuff

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What if someone posted who actually read what i said? Now THAT would be a miracle.

Baseline =basic functionality.

Do the hats have stats that work like every other hat in the game? Yes.
Can you see them? Not all of them appear.
Are there thousands of items in the game that don't appear on your character but still have the same basic functions? Yes.
Are there items that appear differently in the game for different races? Yes.

I think we have achieved basic functionality for game purposes. Also, this isn't even unusual in other games. Try buying boots for a troll in WoW.


edit: plus, considering what most of the miquote hats look like with those awkward ear slots, they should probably be thankful. There is a reason I turn off headgear.