FFXIV on Xbox?

Hi! :D

Dunno if someone did a thread like this one before, but...

Any chance to bring the Warriors of Light ('n Darkness) to the Microsoft side of the Console Force at any point in the future?

I saw some rumors on youtube about it, but dunno for sure...

Cheers!

There's a chance, FFXI did make its way to the xbox 360 after all. If it does happen, I'm pretty sure it won't be before the next Xbox launches.

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Originally Posted by Wanzzo

Hi! :D

Dunno if someone did a thread like this one before, but...

Any chance to bring the Warriors of Light ('n Darkness) to the Microsoft side of the Console Force at any point in the future?

I saw some rumors on youtube about it, but dunno for sure...

Cheers!

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Microsoft still needs to drop the gold requirement and "xbobx players can always play only with other Xbox players if they want" from their requirements.

That was the big thing years ago (dunno if it still stands) that Xbox simply said "We need our own servers"

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Microsoft still needs to drop the gold requirement and "xbobx players can always play only with other Xbox players if they want" from their requirements.

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That's a statement based on outdated info. That was their policies when the 360 was their current machine. Right now they are at the forefront of crossplatform multiplayer. In fact, it's Sony that doesn't want to do crossplay with other consoles.

i hope not its sad ff games and kh or going onto xbox kinda sad they going on pc to...

ff games belong on the ps systems and maybe Nintendo but not xbox same goes as kingdom hearts.

at least till xbox gives us fate on ps no ff games for them please beside Microsoft sucks

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Originally Posted by Ekinoxe

That's a statement based on outdated info. That was their policies when the 360 was their current machine. Right now they are at the forefront of crossplatform multiplayer. In fact, it's Sony that doesn't want to do crossplay with other consoles.

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It was on their website when it was announced a couple years ago. I can't find it now cuz they buried the crap out of it tho. I had it linked in one of the threads from back then.

Edit: found it

https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2016/03/...x-updates-gdc/

Of course, it’s up to game developers to support this feature, and Xbox Live players will always have the option of choosing to play only with other Xbox Live players.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Microsoft still needs to drop the gold requirement and "xbobx players can always play only with other Xbox players if they want" from their requirements.

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This is sad...

It seems that Yoshi and the microsoft ppl are talking about an agreement...

Anyway, there is this video about it on youtube:

https://youtu.be/WfmogwYWqmU

Let's hope for the best :3

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Originally Posted by Wanzzo

This is sad...

It seems that Yoshi and the microsoft ppl are talking about an agreement...

Anyway, there is this video about it on youtube:

https://youtu.be/WfmogwYWqmU

Let's hope for the best :3

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To be fair, they've been in talks since 2013 :p

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

It was on their website when it was announced a couple years ago. I can't find it now cuz they buried the crap out of it tho. I had it linked in one of the threads from back then.

Edit: found it

https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2016/03/...x-updates-gdc/

Of course, it’s up to game developers to support this feature, and Xbox Live players will always have the option of choosing to play only with other Xbox Live players.

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What you're talking about is more than likely a Squeenix quote from E3 2016 in which they claim that Microsoft supposedly didn't want to do crossplatform. Weirdly enough, 3 years later you have several game that are Xbox/Switch/PC/Mobile crossplay compatible. All those games are also available on the PS4 but they can only be played between PC and PS4 users, locking out every other platforms at Sony's request. So I would take that original Squeenix quote with a grain of salt. Either way, that's 3 years old info, which somewhat classifies as outdated.

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Originally Posted by Ekinoxe

What you're talking about is more than likely a Squeenix quote from E3 2016 in which they claim that Microsoft supposedly didn't want to do crossplatform. Weirdly enough, 3 years later you have several game that are Xbox/Switch/PC/Mobile crossplay compatible. All those games are also available on the PS4 but they can only be played between PC and PS4 users, locking out every other platforms at Sony's request. So I would take that original Squeenix quote with a grain of salt. Either way, that's 3 years old info, which somewhat classifies as outdated.

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That is from Xbox.com, from the head of the crossplay division at Microsoft. But sure, I'm wrong.

Here's a recent Article for you. It's all down to Microsoft (and Nintendo) to be open to cross world servers -nothing private that isolates one platform- so regardless of the platform, everyone can play together.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/fi.../1100-6465808/

Considering that Sony is being a big baby about Crossplay I wouldn't expect it on anything else.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

That is from Xbox.com, from the head of the crossplay division at Microsoft. But sure, I'm wrong.

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That is actually the head of ID@xbox (independent developers publishing their games on xbox live). He's not the head of the crossplay division. That would be Phil Spencer. Either way, the article you linked just confirms that they never said that they didn't want to do crossplatform. Saying that players will always have the choice to play within the Xbox ecosystem for the then current lineup is a given. That's basically them saying don't worry, you won't forcibly be put in FPS lobbies with mouse users for example. Nowhere do they categorically say: "No we don't want you to be playing with PS4 users". Again, in the 3 years that followed that article, several games launched with cross console multiplayer.

What I was referring to is this https://www.polygon.com/e3/2016/6/17...rosoft-e3-2016 A quote which is in hindsight, pretty disingenuous on their part.

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Originally Posted by Ekinoxe

That is actually the head of ID@xbox (independent developers publishing their games on xbox live). He's not the head of the crossplay division. That would be Phil Spencer. Either way, the article you linked just confirms that they never said that they didn't want to do crossplatform. Saying that players will always have the choice to play within the Xbox ecosystem for the then current lineup is a given. That's basically them saying don't worry, you won't forcibly be put in FPS lobbies with mouse users for example. Nowhere do they categorically say: "No we don't want you to be playing with PS4 users". Again, in the 3 years that followed that article, several games launched with cross console multiplayer.

What I was referring to is this https://www.polygon.com/e3/2016/6/17...rosoft-e3-2016 A quote which is in hindsight, pretty disingenuous on their part.

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No, but it does say you can play with only Xbox players, which would mean that xiv would need Xbox only servers, which won't happen. Again, I never said Microsoft didn't want crossplay, I said they had restrictions

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

No, but it does say you can play with only Xbox players, which would mean that xiv would need Xbox only servers, which won't happen. Again, I never said Microsoft didn't want crossplay, I said they had restrictions

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I know what you're saying. But what I'm saying is that those restrictions do not exist with the other games. Those restrictions only exist on the PS4. For example, Rocket League on PS4 was/is the only platform that couldn't play with other consoles because Sony didn't want them. Sony being extremely close minded when it comes to crossplay is common knowledge by now. So I'm asking you, what is more likely? Microsoft refusing to let other consoles mingle with theirs on FFXIV when they're fine doing just that with every other games, or Sony actually being the ones blocking the whole thing like they've done with every other games?

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Originally Posted by Ekinoxe

What you're talking about is more than likely a Squeenix quote from E3 2016 in which they claim that Microsoft supposedly didn't want to do crossplatform. Weirdly enough, 3 years later you have several game that are Xbox/Switch/PC/Mobile crossplay compatible. All those games are also available on the PS4 but they can only be played between PC and PS4 users, locking out every other platforms at Sony's request. So I would take that original Squeenix quote with a grain of salt. Either way, that's 3 years old info, which somewhat classifies as outdated.

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And what do all of those xbox cross platform games that require xbox live to play have? That's right, option for xbox exclusive servers so xbox players can play only with other xbox players if they want, which is one of the guarantees xbox promises for xbox live subscribers. Yoshi has said flat out that he will not support that since he doesn't want to split the community.

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Originally Posted by Ekinoxe

I know what you're saying. But what I'm saying is that those restrictions do not exist with the other games. Those restrictions only exist on the PS4. For example, Rocket League on PS4 was/is the only platform that couldn't play with other consoles because Sony didn't want them. Sony being extremely close minded when it comes to crossplay is common knowledge by now. So I'm asking you, what is more likely? Microsoft refusing to let other consoles mingle with theirs on FFXIV when they're fine doing just that with every other games, or Sony actually being the ones blocking the whole thing like they've done with every other games?

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OK, but that wasn't the point I was making. The point is microsoft also requires Xbox only servers, in addition to crossplay functionality. You can't have crossplay on Xbox without Xbox only servers. What sony is or isn't saying doesn't matter in this case, because SE will not put the game on a system that requires its own servers. It's all or nothing.

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Originally Posted by Gralna

And what do all of those xbox cross platform games that require xbox live to play have? That's right, option for xbox exclusive servers so xbox players can play only with other xbox players if they want, which is one of the guarantees xbox promises for xbox live subscribers. Yoshi has said flat out that he will not support that since he doesn't want to split the community.

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That's actually entirely up to the developers. You know what those games also have in common? The total absence of the PS4 in the crossplay lobbies, again, at Sony's request. I mean come on, you can log in xbox live on your switch ffs, let's stop acting like it's Microsoft that's being stingy when it comes to FFXIV.

That would certainly be something. A possibility for more numbers to our playerbase always gets me excited.

I am looking forward to the Nintendo Switch making it's leap over to Eorzea, so i would imagine that further partnerships are destined to occur at some point. :)

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Originally Posted by Ekinoxe

That's actually entirely up to the developers. You know what those games also have in common? The total absence of the PS4 in the crossplay lobbies, again, at Sony's request. I mean come on, you can log in xbox live on your switch ffs, let's stop acting like it's Microsoft that's being stingy when it comes to FFXIV.

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The only two issues we know blocking 14 on Xbox is needing a separate sub to be able to accesses the game and that Microsoft had wanted Xbox live players to have to option to only play with Xbox live players. I have never seen any official source say Sony was involved in any way in the process as of yet.

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Originally Posted by Ekinoxe

That's actually entirely up to the developers. You know what those games also have in common? The total absence of the PS4 in the crossplay lobbies, again, at Sony's request. I mean come on, you can log in xbox live on your switch ffs, let's stop acting like it's Microsoft that's being stingy when it comes to FFXIV.

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OK, but how do you respond to Xbox requiring Xbox only servers, you still haven't answered this. You keep deflecting to "but Sony"

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

OK, but that wasn't the point I was making. The point is microsoft also requires Xbox only servers, in addition to crossplay functionality. You can't have crossplay on Xbox without Xbox only servers. What sony is or isn't saying doesn't matter in this case, because SE will not put the game on a system that requires its own servers. It's all or nothing.

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They DON'T have their own servers! There's a toggle in the options menu to search for other players on the same ecosystem. A toggle option that is present on every version of those games accepting crossplay with other consoles. That toggle is on the switch, on mobile etc. It's up to the devs. None of those games have separate "Xbox Live" servers. Pretty sure that Microsoft's own game, Minecraft, doesn't even have that toggle at all.

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Originally Posted by Ekinoxe

They DON'T have their own servers! There's a toggle in the options menu to search for other players on the same ecosystem. A toggle option that is present on every version of those games accepting crossplay with other consoles. That toggle is on the switch, on mobile etc. It's up to the devs. None of those games have separate "Xbox Live" servers. Pretty sure that Microsoft's own game, Minecraft, doesn't even have that toggle at all.

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Because those games are peer to peer, but a matchmaking server is still a server. The game communicates with players somehow. No mmos have cross platform functionality other than xiv, and the other MMOs have separate servers per platform. XIV does not.

And again, the game let's you choose to play with only Xbox players. You can't do that in xiv.

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Originally Posted by Ekinoxe

They DON'T have their own servers! There's a toggle in the options menu to search for other players on the same ecosystem. A toggle option that is present on every version of those games accepting crossplay with other consoles. That toggle is on the switch, on mobile etc. It's up to the devs. None of those games have separate "Xbox Live" servers. Pretty sure that Microsoft's own game, Minecraft, doesn't even have that toggle at all.

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It's that toggle option that is holding up the negotiations, it's a feature that microsoft has promised their live subscribers (as a parental control feature?), and if SE were to abide by that, they'd have to code into the game the option for xbox players that have that toggled, to basically have their own exclusive servers (instances) that would exclude ps4 and pc players and that would also only find other xbox players when queued for DF.

SE isn't going to go through all that hassle just to port XIV over to xbox. I'm sure negotiations would go rather well if microsoft would drop the xbox live requirements and option for xbox players to only play with other xbox players. If SE could get Sony to drop PS+ requirements for XIV, don't understand why Microsoft won't budge.

https://edge.alluremedia.com.au/m/k/...cross-play.jpg

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Because those games are peer to peer, but a matchmaking server is still a server. The game communicates with players somehow. No mmos have cross platform functionality other than xiv, and the other MMOs have separate servers per platform. XIV does not.

And again, the game let's you choose to play with only Xbox players. You can't do that in xiv.

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Minecraft Realms. Dedicated Minecraft servers run by Microsoft. Any platform can log on those with no restrictions. Except PS4. Because they refuse to have other console in their ecosystem. I know this is irrelevant to a certain extent. I'm not saying that your facts are wrong. What I'm saying is that Microsoft has demonstrably shown that they have no issues allowing other systems connecting to theirs without any restrictions. I'm saying that logically based on information we have now, if a company between Microsoft and Sony is responsible for locking xbox players out of FFXIV, it's Sony. They have done it several times with other games and I feel like that should qualify as a pretty good indication of where they stand with FFXIV. Never mind the Square PR talk. Several other developers have gone on record saying that Sony was blocking cross console connectivity for their respective games.

Either way, I don't even know why I'm debating any of this, I play on PC lol

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Originally Posted by Gralna

It's that toggle option that is holding up the negotiations, it's a feature that microsoft has promised their live subscribers (as a parental control feature?), and if SE were to abide by that, they'd have to code into the game the option for xbox players that have that toggled, to basically have their own exclusive servers (instances) that would exclude ps4 and pc players and that would also only find other xbox players when queued for DF.

SE isn't going to go through all that hassle just to port XIV over to xbox. I'm sure negotiations would go rather well if microsoft would drop the xbox live requirements and option for xbox players to only play with other xbox players. If SE could get Sony to drop PS+ requirements for XIV, don't understand why Microsoft won't budge.

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Microsoft won't budge because the whole thing is PR BS. That toggle is implemented at the discretion of the dev. Without that toggle, Fortnite would still be crossplay on Xbox for example. Microsoft never promised their subscriber any of that. Why would they? If it's not a FPS, no player cares whether they play against PC or other consoles. Bottom line is who cares. If it launches on Xbox, good for anyone interested, if not then I won't lose any sleep over it. I do own a Xbone, but I'd much rather play an MMO on PC.

They BOTH are at fault, Microsoft for their needing gold to play and Sony for saying no to letting xbox and tendo play with them. But You can't really blame sony in this case. Remember.. sony was in Xbox spot last gen and asked them if they can be friends. They said no, so ofcourse when sony is on top.. Why would they say yes to Mircosoft? I'll give you a play by play....

PS3 gen.
Sony " Can we be friend? I noticed you have a larger playerbase.
Soft " LMAO get outta here loser. Why would we play with losers like you.
PS4 gen.
Soft" umm remember when you asked to play with us?
Sony" Sorry.. we can't hear you under all this money and fans....

For the record I want it to be on xbox cause more people... but Sony AND Mircosoft have to come to terms and shake hands. And I don't see either company dropping their stands anytime soon. Hell Sony is already doing the cross thing with PC on a few games, it's not just XIV, Street Fighter V is another one that's cross to PC. So unless SE can make them both sit down, shake hands and be on the same page.. it's not happening.

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Originally Posted by Insertcoins

THey BOTH are at fault, Microsoft for their needing gold to play and Sony for saying no to lettign xbox and tendo play with them. But You can't really blame sony in this case. Remember.. sony was in Xbox spot last gen and asked them if they can be friends. They said no, so ofcourse when sony is on top.. Why would they say yes to Mircosoft? I'll give you a play by play....

PS3 gen.
Sony " Can we be friend? I noticed you have a larger playerbase.
Soft " LMAO get outta here loser. Why would we play with losers like you.
PS4 gen.
Soft" umm remember when you asked to play with us?
Sony" Sorry.. we can't hear you under all this money and fans....

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There's a whole bunch of truths in that post of yours. That whole hubris thing from the big 3 console makers is cyclical. Each time one of them starts to dominate a console generation, they slowly stop being pro consumers. Seemingly never learning from their past experiences.

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Originally Posted by Ekinoxe

There's a whole bunch of truths in that post of yours. That whole hubris thing from the big 3 console makers is cyclical. Each time one of them starts to dominate a console generation, they slowly stop being pro consumers. Seemingly never learning from their past experiences.

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Pretty much. We can only see what happens in the next few years but yeah.

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Originally Posted by Insertcoins

Pretty much. We can only see what happens in the next few years but yeah.

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Oh yeah definitely, we can't know for sure where this generation will lead. There's an inkling of it happening again with Sony being less than consumer friendly in their decisions and Microsoft doing some genuinely good things for its player in the hope of gaining some ground when the new systems launch. But yeah you're right we can't be certain where it's going yet.

It is quite a fascinating phenomenon though. The success of the PS2 lead to the PS3 and its giant enemy crab and a 600$ launch tag with barely any games that was a nightmare to develop for. The success of the SNES lead to the N64 and Nintendo's insistence that devs were gonna be fine with using cartridges still. Then the Wii lead to the Wii U, a system I love but one Nintendo felt would sell on it's name alone despite terrible marketing. Xbox 360 lead to Xbone and it's thankfully discarded, ridiculous anti-consumers launch policies etc. Every time, they think that their brand is too big to fail.

And with that I realize that I totally derailed this thread, apologies to the OP! Carry on :P

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Originally Posted by Ekinoxe

Oh yeah definitely, we can't know for sure where this generation will lead. There's an inkling of it happening again with Sony being less than consumer friendly in their decisions and Microsoft doing some genuinely good things for its player in the hope of gaining some ground when the new systems launch. But yeah you're right we can't be certain where it's going yet.

It is quite a fascinating phenomenon though. The success of the PS2 lead to the PS3 and its giant enemy crab and a 600$ launch tag with barely any games that was a nightmare to develop for. The success of the SNES lead to the N64 and Nintendo's insistence that devs were gonna be fine with using cartridges still. Then the Wii lead to the Wii U, a system I love but one Nintendo felt would sell on it's name alone despite terrible marketing. Xbox 360 lead to Xbone and it's thankfully discarded, ridiculous anti-consumers launch policies etc. Every time, they think that their brand is too big to fail.

And with that I realize that I totally derailed this thread, apologies to the OP! Carry on :P

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You're not wrong, I noticed people tend to choose a side and I'm no different, I used to defend Sony but I stopped and I only did it cause I'm a fan. It happens. - hugs PS4 pro- But yeah I get the sales side of it, none of them want to give their rival a leg up. Understandable, but Sony seems like it's making the SAME mistakes that lead to the PS3 crappo start. Hopefully SE makes a harder case to making them drop the wall and play nice with XIV, I'd love to inspect a player and see an Xbox tag like I do when I see my fellow PSNers ingame. Pluss more people. With Fornite being shared with Nintendo and Mircosoft along with being able to use Live on the Switch we'll see if Sony lets up and joins the party.

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Originally Posted by Insertcoins

You're not wrong, I noticed people tend to choose a side and I'm no different, I used to defend Sony but I stopped and I only did it cause I'm a fan. It happens. - hugs PS4 pro- But yeah I get the sales side of it, none of them want to give their rival a leg up. Understandable, but Sony seems like it's making the SAME mistakes that lead to the PS3 crappo start. Hopefully SE makes a harder case to making them drop the wall and play nice with XIV, I'd love to inspect a player and see an Xbox tag like I do when I see my fellow PSNers ingame. Pluss more people. With Fornite being shared with Nintendo and Mircosoft along with being able to use Live on the Switch we'll see if Sony lets up and joins the party.

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Indeed, people picking a "side" is rather common. I guess it's our ancestral tribal instincts kicking in. There's nothing fundamentally wrong with it. It becomes problematic when folks defend brands or products at the detriment of their own interests. For example, I'm sure that some people were defending the system wide, always on DRM features the Xbox One was supposed to launch with. Even though it was entirely anti-consumers. Those people were not idiots, they knew it was terrible, but brand loyalty made them disregard their own interests.

You're absolutely right, we the players would benefit greatly from a more open interconnectivity between systems. Whether it be with FFXIV or any other game that has online components. More people is always beneficial.

both sony and MS view on corssplay change lately in this gen due the huge different on console sale, but i think it will be open up again by the end of this gen or the begin of next gen to convert ppl from old console to new console as quick as possible, as backward play being a main focus now

as someone play on both PS4 and laptop, i'm very welcome for crossplay, so i can keep my progress on different system in same time, play at home on my PS and play on traveling with my laptop, i can't never get into handheld system or mobile game but have to traveling alot this feature is something i'm looking for

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both sony and MS view on corssplay change lately in this gen due the huge different on console sale, but i think it will be open up again by the end of this gen or the begin of next gen to convert ppl from old console to new console as quick as possible, as backward play being a main focus now

as someone play on both PS4 and laptop, i'm very welcome for crossplay, so i can keep my progress on different system in same time, play at home on my PS and play on traveling with my laptop, i can't never get into handheld system or mobile game but have to traveling alot this feature is something i'm looking for

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Oh yeah, I'm a big fan of the Xbox Play Anywhere program Microsoft has. You buy your game once and you get it for xbox and pc both with save game carrying over from xbox to laptop/pc and vice versa. I hope this becomes the norm for all games and platforms alike.

Why does it need to be on Xbox.
I don't know anyone with an Xbox without a gaming pc or ps4.

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Originally Posted by CrystalRainbow

Why does it need to be on Xbox.
I don't know anyone with an Xbox without a gaming pc or ps4.

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So you know the entirety of the Xbox player base? I don't know anyone who owns a private jet, doesn't mean they don't exist.

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Originally Posted by CrystalRainbow

Why does it need to be on Xbox.
I don't know anyone with an Xbox without a gaming pc or ps4.

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You will be suprise that there are alot of guy only own 1 console, either because of the income problem or they don't have time to play on multi platform at once

Tho, i doubt that alot of guys in xbox camp are looking foward and old japanese MMO like FF14, but still there will be new wave of player come to this game, and it will be a good thing