People able to skip cutscenes in MSQ roullete o.o

I'm running Preatorium right now and at the start someone said something about pressing alt+f4 would let you skip it. Not sure if I should try it as I know Alt+f4 is supposed to close the current program your using xD. But so far the person who said it and 2 others are able to start fighting mobs/iron giant well before the cutscene is over. Any idea what that person could be talking about? xD.

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Originally Posted by RareItems

I'm running Preatorium right now and at the start someone said something about pressing alt+f4 would let you skip it. Not sure if I should try it as I know Alt+f4 is supposed to close the current program your using xD. But so far the person who said it and 2 others are able to start fighting mobs/iron giant well before the cutscene is over. Any idea what that person could be talking about? xD.

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They are actually correct, annoying as it is. Disconnecting and reconnecting skips the cutscenes. The fact that people are abusing it is worrying, though.

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

They are actually correct, annoying as it is. Disconnecting and reconnecting skips the cutscenes. The fact that people are abusing it is worrying, though.

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Hmm...I worry that if this gets more prevalent and devs catch wind of this, they might take yet another heavy handed approach. They need to just go ahead and cave in, and turn this into a solo instance. Give players the option to either run with their squadron (make it an option for earning Captain-rank...which actually fits in nicely with lore, given that you are pretty much single-handedly taking on Baelsar's legion), or pre-made NPCs. Both options with adjusted enemy HP would work fine, especially given how prominent solo-instances have become lately.

If I had to guess, the devs don't want to change too much more with the dungeon if they don't have to. That said, it wouldn't surprise me if they started putting blocks before every boss fight like the one at the start of the dungeons to avoid issues.

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Originally Posted by KaivaC

Give players the option to either run with their squadron (make it an option for earning Captain-rank...which actually fits in nicely with lore, given that you are pretty much single-handedly taking on Baelsar's legion)

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The worst case scenario is that a fresh player hits these dungeons and feels compelled to go back, level up the GC rank, and then level up their squad, which takes days. And for people already out of that content, I'd personally hate to revisit it in any way shape or form, least of all for the Captain rank.
The best thing they can do is give you generic NPCs. The only "drawback" I can think of is that it can't be GC NPCs as it's explicitly said to be an Adventurer's squad so they'd have to actually design them, but it's not like they're low on designs. Hell, they can even throw in there unused Squad candidates you haven't recruited yet.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

The worst case scenario is that a fresh player hits these dungeons and feels compelled to go back, level up the GC rank, and then level up their squad, which takes days. And for people already out of that content, I'd personally hate to revisit it in any way shape or form, least of all for the Captain rank.
The best thing they can do is give you generic NPCs. The only "drawback" I can think of is that it can't be GC NPCs as it's explicitly said to be an Adventurer's squad so they'd have to actually design them, but it's not like they're low on designs. Hell, they can even throw in there unused Squad candidates you haven't recruited yet.

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I think there would be room to have three options, to be honest. Go in with your squadron (option should only pop if all squadron members are at level 50), go in with pre-mades, or go in with other players - in the event that there aren't enough players, fill remaining slots with NPCs. Really, there's so much that could be done with the these two MSQs. The idea for Captain rank wasn't meant to be the only requisite, I just just that out there as an alternate prerequisite. I mean, I'm sure it's within the realm of possibility. If we could get what we got in 4.3 (will not spoil it), then I'm sure the Meridunum and Praetorium could be turned into decent solo duties. Just make sure to put up the warning that this will be a long instance to players before they accept it.

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

They are actually correct, annoying as it is. Disconnecting and reconnecting skips the cutscenes. The fact that people are abusing it is worrying, though.

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When people would rather force close and reboot the client a dozen times per run rather than watch the cutscenes, you'd hope the devs get the hint. Changing it the way they did was just a dumb idea.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

When people would rather force close and reboot the client a dozen times per run rather than watch the cutscenes, you'd hope the devs get the hint. Changing it the way they did was just a dumb idea.

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I agree, how dare these first timers enjoy the finale of the game they paid for instead of being forced to choose between missing the cutscenes or doing the fights.

How dare these new players want to enjoy the storyline instead of enjoying the experience of speedrunning the content to farm tomestones.

How dare these people not want to enjoy the authentic and extremely climactic experience of going to an inn and watching 2 dungeons worth of cutscenes after the fact because people only want to get their tomestone reward as fast as possible and then leave without saying a word. People who play this game are completely selfless and wouldn't complain about a dungeon they voluntarily que for taking much longer with no regard to the experience of the new player, nor how upset they would be watching the final cutscenes take place as they have no idea what happened between them.

Not to mention that the sentient grizzly bear that sits in your room holding a gun to your head and forcing you to que for Main Scenario roulette doesn't care how long the dungeon takes, and will make you que for the roulette every day without fail.

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Originally Posted by Dogempire

I agree, how dare these first timers enjoy the finale of the game they paid for instead of being forced to choose between missing the cutscenes or doing the fights.

How dare these new players want to enjoy the storyline instead of enjoying the experience of speedrunning the content to farm tomestones.

How dare these people not want to enjoy the authentic and extremely climactic experience of going to an inn and watching 2 dungeons worth of cutscenes after the fact because people only want to get their tomestone reward as fast as possible and then leave without saying a word. People who play this game are completely selfless and wouldn't complain about a dungeon they voluntarily que for taking much longer with no regard to the experience of the new player, nor how upset they would be watching the final cutscenes take place as they have no idea what happened between them.

Not to mention that the sentient grizzly bear that sits in your room holding a gun to your head and forcing you to que for Main Scenario roulette doesn't care how long the dungeon takes, and will make you que for the roulette every day without fail.

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Where in their post were they maligning first timers?

It's pretty much universally agreed upon that those two instances were terribly designed. Which is why going forward you /never/ saw something of their ilk again within the game. I don't think most people are of the opinion that new players don't matter, or at least I've seen that sentiment slowly dissolve away as time has gone by. Rather that they feel there were better ways to fix these instances than to basically throw a bandaid at the issue and hope it goes away. Especially when not every new player appreciates being held hostage for upwards of two hours. I know I didn't back when I joined, I happily skipped the cutscenes because I found the story wanting and those dungeons did nothing to help my impression. If anything, I'd likely be browsing reddit the entire time had I come to this game after the 'fixes' were implemented.

It's very possible to want first timers to experience the dungeons in an organic way while finding the current solution lacking in almost every way. If I were to suggest a new one, I would point to Kaiva's thoughts on the matter.

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Originally Posted by Dogempire

I agree, how dare these first timers enjoy the finale of the game they paid for instead of being forced to choose between missing the cutscenes or doing the fights.

How dare these new players want to enjoy the storyline instead of enjoying the experience of speedrunning the content to farm tomestones.

How dare these people not want to enjoy the authentic and extremely climactic experience of going to an inn and watching 2 dungeons worth of cutscenes after the fact because people only want to get their tomestone reward as fast as possible and then leave without saying a word. People who play this game are completely selfless and wouldn't complain about a dungeon they voluntarily que for taking much longer with no regard to the experience of the new player, nor how upset they would be watching the final cutscenes take place as they have no idea what happened between them.

Not to mention that the sentient grizzly bear that sits in your room holding a gun to your head and forcing you to que for Main Scenario roulette doesn't care how long the dungeon takes, and will make you que for the roulette every day without fail.

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That is an intense persecution complex.

It's possible to realize the experience sucks for new players without taking it out on the veteran players by making an even worse bandaid fix. I don't queue for MSQ by the way. It's a roulette that I lost because of the idiotic change they made to it. You clearly think yourself a spokesperson for new players, but I know when I was a new player I started skipping cut scenes because I felt bad for not helping. Knowing everyone is stuck watching 30 minutes of mostly useless filler each time they do it just so I could watch them in peace wouldn't feel any better. I watched every single other cut scene the first time through, but Praetorium is absurd and I just went back and watched them in the inn. When the roles were reversed and I was the veteran player, I had no issue if people watched the cut scenes. It takes like three people to clear Praetorium, so they're not hurting anything. That's the way it should have been left.

This way though? People obviously hate it. I'd be very surprised if participation rates aren't lower than they previously were, which means higher queue times for players who actually need to clear the content. If they fix people alt+f4ing out of it, those people will probably stop queuing for it as well, further driving up queue times. People who would rather new players have an ideal experience or none at all, even if the latter is an inadvertent consequence, are not friends to new players, no matter how they may see themselves.

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Originally Posted by Enla

Where in their post were they maligning first timers?

It's pretty much universally agreed upon that those two instances were terribly designed. Which is why going forward you /never/ saw something of their ilk again within the game. I don't think most people are of the opinion that new players don't matter, or at least I've seen that sentiment slowly dissolve away as time has gone by. Rather that they feel there were better ways to fix these instances than to basically throw a bandaid at the issue and hope it goes away. Especially when not every new player appreciates being held hostage for upwards of two hours. I know I didn't back when I joined, I happily skipped the cutscenes because I found the story wanting and those dungeons did nothing to help my impression. If anything, I'd likely be browsing reddit the entire time had I come to this game after the 'fixes' were implemented.

It's very possible to want first timers to experience the dungeons in an organic way while finding the current solution lacking in almost every way. If I were to suggest a new one, I would point to Kaiva's thoughts on the matter.

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The current solution is fine. If the dungeon dropped a random piece of i370 gear that you don't already have each time you did the roulette, people would still complain about the time it takes to run the dungeon because people in this game are impatient and only want more in the least amount of time possible. It's especially obvious when tanks run older content and just pull the entire dungeon without at least speaking a word to the healer first.

The current rewards are well worth the time considering you can literally just pull up a youtube video and watch something while the cutscene plays out instead of skipping everything, pulling everything, ignoring the new player, and starting the bosses without them, locking them out. If you don't want to spend an hour in a dungeon, then don't que up for it.

Also, no they didn't malign new players, but I'm sick of people justifying ruining people's experience with one of the most important dungeons in the game storywise. The entire solution of "Watch the cutscenes at the inn" is stupid because you watch all the other post-dungeon scenes before you get a chance to go to the inn to fill in the gaps between the two events of oh I don't know, stepping off a ship and everything being reduced to smoldering ash and then blowing up.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

That is an intense persecution complex.

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>Cares about others and their experiences with the game instead of only myself and my tomestones
>Persecution complex

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Originally Posted by Dogempire

>Cares about others and their experiences with the game instead of only myself and my tomestones
>Persecution complex

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I don't know how you expect anyone to take you seriously when you're so obviously locked in a purely black-and-white perspective.

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Originally Posted by Dogempire

If you don't want to spend an hour in a dungeon, then don't que up for it.

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Ya, I think 95% of the Community does it already. There is better things to do then burning ones self out on a 2.0 Story Dungeon.

The Rewards doesn't matter, current 4.3 Endgame Dungeons give 50 Mendacity, the Story Roulette gives 50 Mendacity, what's more efficience...

I mean I have New Players complaining about the Two Dungeons already due of Queueing Issues (Taking too long), so apparently the Situation is even worser then before.

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Originally Posted by Mwynn

Ya, I think 95% of the Community does it already. There is better things to do then burning ones self out on a 2.0 Story Dungeon.

I mean I have New Players complaining about the Two Dungeons already due of Queueing Issues (Taking too long), so apparently the Situation is even worser then before.

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I've noticed ques get way longer than usual when it's past a certain time late at night (Say 1 or 2 am) even on somewhat relevant content (Deltascape for instance) when queing on a healer, so it could just be the time of day that they que up.

That being said, I wouldn't be opposed to them increasing the MSQ roulette reward, I know it gives a ridiculous amount of XP but it wouldn't be a bad idea to make it give 75 or maybe even 100 mendacity tomestones instead of 50 for people who que up on maxed out classes and want to cap their tomes from running a dungeon that's more lengthy than difficult.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

I don't know how you expect anyone to take you seriously when you're so obviously locked in a purely black-and-white perspective.

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To my knowledge you're the only one who doesn't take me seriously, and frankly, I don't care either way.

In the old system, where cutscenes are skippable, players could have politely waited on the occasions when one player was watching the cutscenes. With lots of people running the roulette, the chances of your party getting that new person should be relatively low. There would be a gamble of your time when you queue for it - will you get a party that can speed through, or not? - but first-timers get their climactic finale and everyone else gets their 15-minute run most days.

Instead, people refused to wait - and so the developers have had to "take a side", decided the new player's experience is more important and the (only?) way to ensure that, at least without heavily revisiting the content, is to make the others wait. And if the game framework doesn't allow for dynamic "sometimes forced, sometimes not" cutscenes then the only way to achieve that is to make everyone wait, every time.

Ideally there could have been some kind of warning before it happened - "if you don't voluntarily wait for new players, we will have to force everyone to watch cutscenes every time" - and maybe people would have listened to that and realised it would be better to wait sometimes than to lose the "quick run" entirely.

(I'm guessing the game's coding means they are not able to implement a dynamic "unskippable cutscenes only with a new player present" setup, or they would have done so - but in any case it comes back to the ideal scenario of the old system. If people chose to wait for new players when necessary, that would have the same final outcome, without needing to force it at a programming level.)

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Originally Posted by Enla

Where in their post were they maligning first timers?

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Saying that "changing it the way they did was just a dumb idea" can come across that way, because the change was specifically meant to help first-timers. Thus, an interpretation that 'changing it for the sake of first timers was a dumb idea'.

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Originally Posted by RareItems

I'm running Preatorium right now and at the start someone said something about pressing alt+f4 would let you skip it. Not sure if I should try it as I know Alt+f4 is supposed to close the current program your using xD. But so far the person who said it and 2 others are able to start fighting mobs/iron giant well before the cutscene is over. Any idea what that person could be talking about? xD.

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Just report them.

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…3.2 Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players,...

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Originally Posted by Iscah

(I'm guessing the game's coding means they are not able to implement a dynamic "unskippable cutscenes only with a new player present" setup, or they would have done so - but in any case it comes back to the ideal scenario of the old system. If people chose to wait for new players when necessary, that would have the same final outcome, without needing to force it at a programming level.)

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The devs have proven time and again that when they want to, they can make anything happen in this game. The code is theirs, they can do whatever they want with it. Question is, do they want to (broad 'want' term that also includes priorities and outside interference from higherups). The answer seems to be 'no' as this very 'solution' we were given only shows how little they actually want to bother with this.
And you can talk about that ideal until you're blue in the face, the fact remains we never saw anything like that in the game again. ARF and Ala Mhigo were both normal, zero-cutscene dungeons. Thordan and Shinryu were separated from the dungeons leading up to them so that people can enjoy the cutscenes in between dungeon and trial at their leisure. There's no need to defend the design, still existing in the MSQ roulette dungeons like a scorned lover, when the devs themselves acknowledge it's bad by never once having repeated it.

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Saying that "changing it the way they did was just a dumb idea" can come across that way, because the change was specifically meant to help first-timers. Thus, an interpretation that 'changing it for the sake of first timers was a dumb idea'.

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We've seen plenty of first timers complain about this change, so even portions of the target demographic think it's, shall we call it, less than ideal.

TBH, just like the greed only alliance and the chat ban in feast this was a case where SE should've never butted in.
Community problems should not be fixed by changing the game but instead it's up to community managers to fix it.

I hate the cutscenes so much I just don't bother queueing for that roulette anymore. I cut an entire portion of the game out just to not deal with it. I can do treasure maps to make up the measly 50 tomestones (though I honestly have no problem capping each week without much effort). As a healer though? This makes queues longer for everyone involved. Especially if other healers and tanks are doing the same. I feel bad for doing it to new players who had nothing to do with the god-awful thought process of these dungeons, but they'd have to move heaven and earth to make me desire to go in there and to deal with unskippable cutscenes.

Nothing against new people, but I just do not have the time to waste re-watching cutscenes that were sort of shitballed the first time around anyway. That whole story arc was less than impressive, and frankly a total slog. I hated every second of it x.x

I get some people are interested in it, and that's cool, I don't mind cutscenes in dungeons, but those are by far the worst due to the length of cutscene and Frequency of them. It's just not worth my time, and that's how I speak with my playtime. if people stop doing those dungeons, leaving newbies wanting, they will find a DIFFERENT way to resolve it. It sucks for new folks, but I mean...if you give an inch with bad fixes, they'll take a mile. This isn't the only game to do it either, this isn't bashing the company, it's just an industry lazy standard.

Just have youtube or netflix open in the mean time on your second monitor or your mobile devices and watch those while the cutscenes are playing. I have all the battle jobs at 70 and I am so glad I never have to run this roulette again until 5.0

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Originally Posted by Jinxie

I get some people are interested in it, and that's cool, I don't mind cutscenes in dungeons, but those are by far the worst due to the length of cutscene and Frequency of them. It's just not worth my time, and that's how I speak with my playtime. if people stop doing those dungeons, leaving newbies wanting, they will find a DIFFERENT way to resolve it. It sucks for new folks, but I mean...if you give an inch with bad fixes, they'll take a mile. This isn't the only game to do it either, this isn't bashing the company, it's just an industry lazy standard.

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I imagine this would have never happened if people had taken your option and just not run it, but that isn't what happened, it's never been what happened. SE saw the issue being "Older players are either forcing newbies to skip cutscenes, kicking them, or just rushing ahead and leaving the newbie to miss fights" and built a way to fix that.

There is a faster way than force quitting the game. Won't go into specifics but some people just modified the cutscene files on their computer and are able to skip them the way it used to work. I feel that leveling is very fast in this game and people needn't go to those lengths to save time. Just have some coffee while the old cinematics play.

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

I imagine this would have never happened if people had taken your option and just not run it [...]

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Egh. If people had taken that option, SE would have thrown rewards at people until they DO run it, because people not running the roulette isn't an option on the grand scale either, as new players need bodies to get through that part.

It's just bad design and they didn't feel like investing a lot of effort into fixing it. That's all there is to it. As far as story is concerned, the ideal way is always to allow people to go at their own pace and that means to not have other people around to interfere with your pace in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Rufalus

There is a faster way than force quitting the game. Won't go into specifics but some people just modified the cutscene files on their computer and are able to skip them the way it used to work. I feel that leveling is very fast in this game and people needn't go to those lengths to save time. Just have some coffee while the old cinematics play.

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That is kinda sad, if you don't want to watch the cutscenes just don't run the content there's plenty of other ways to get the stones/experience.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

Egh. If people had taken that option, SE would have thrown rewards at people until they DO run it, because people not running the roulette isn't an option on the grand scale either, as new players need bodies to get through that part.

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That's basically what happened already, they upped the awards when the change was introduced, and then upped it again after a while, the latter change coming alongside Yoshi admitting in a live letter the data they were seeing wasn't satisfactory.
WTB solo duty :(

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

That's basically what happened already, they upped the awards when the change was introduced, and then upped it again after a while, the latter change coming alongside Yoshi admitting in a live letter the data they were seeing wasn't satisfactory.
WTB solo duty :(

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AFAIK He also said recently they are thinking about trimming a bit of the ARR MSQ, we can only hope

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Originally Posted by Remedi

AFAIK He also said recently they are thinking about trimming a bit of the ARR MSQ, we can only hope

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Yeah, he did, in a live letter or something, I remember watching that. Here's to hoping that if they'll already revisit that area, they'll take care of this, too. Then just take care of this the one time instead of constantly checking the data and tweaking things, and I can only imagine how much overhead goes into that process

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

That is kinda sad, if you don't want to watch the cutscenes just don't run the content there's plenty of other ways to get the stones/experience.

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That's quite expected though. They pretty much showed the more experienced players a middle finger all the while trying to bribe them with rewards that, if you cut out the cutscenes, are very tempting. Going so far as to modify the client (which is very, very much against the ToS) is too far, but it's not like it's not normal or expected.

Square Enix is the one entirely at fault here. They want to get a constant stream of revenue, but hardly ever take responsibility for it. Can you imagine a situation in which you buy a car for 10000$ straight from a dealer but when you're trying to drive it out the gearbox just gets stuck because of a critical factory fault?! Now imagine that dealer and the maker of the car saying "tough luck, you bought it as it is, instead we'll have a tow truck get the car into your garage and deal with it yourself". This is what Square Enix did. They provided a broken content but don't want to fix it.

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Originally Posted by Dogempire

I agree, how dare these first timers enjoy the finale of the game they paid for instead of being forced to choose between missing the cutscenes or doing the fights.

How dare these new players want to enjoy the storyline instead of enjoying the experience of speedrunning the content to farm tomestones.

How dare these people not want to enjoy the authentic and extremely climactic experience of going to an inn and watching 2 dungeons worth of cutscenes after the fact because people only want to get their tomestone reward as fast as possible and then leave without saying a word. People who play this game are completely selfless and wouldn't complain about a dungeon they voluntarily que for taking much longer with no regard to the experience of the new player, nor how upset they would be watching the final cutscenes take place as they have no idea what happened between them.

Not to mention that the sentient grizzly bear that sits in your room holding a gun to your head and forcing you to que for Main Scenario roulette doesn't care how long the dungeon takes, and will make you que for the roulette every day without fail.

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You know the system is flawed when 1 player is able to waste the other 7 players' time.

I came back from a very long break and started running all the roulettes to get used to the many changes to classes. What a mistake running MSQ was. Not only did the queue take awhile, but then I had to sit through all the cutscenes again. I've never run it since nor will I ever run it again. My entire FC feels the same way. It's one and done content, which is really the worst kind of content in an MMO.

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Originally Posted by Justuas

You know the system is flawed when 1 player is able to waste the other 7 players' time.

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Even if it's your 10,000th time seeing Praetorium's cutscene, AND seven people in the party already saw it AND you didn't care about the story anway and you skipped through it your first time AND you're against cutscene-heavy dungeons on principle AND you agree that it's implementation is flawed (it is)

It's still wrong to ruin a first-timer's run through who DOES want to watch the cutscenes just because you can't be bothered to wait for them. At the end of the day, this in particular was the problem SE wanted to fix, so they took drastic measures and fixed it.

Short of reworking the entire instance and removing the multiplayer component (in which case you don't need MSQ roulette anymore so the point is moot), there is no other practical solution that addresses the problem above without leaving some way for a jaded playerbase to exploit it (like making the cutscenes skippable without newbies present, in which case people queue up and leave if a newbie is there.)

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Originally Posted by Emstidor

At the end of the day, this in particular was the problem SE wanted to fix, so they took drastic measures and fixed it.

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And yet, they didn't, neither solve it nor took drastic measures. The measures they took were intrusive as all hell, but from a development perspective, it was the absolute minimum they could do and still actually touch the code. And at the end of the day, they only made the problem worse, because people who wouldn't have bothered at all before now bother for the awards, but they found ways to get around SE's half-baked means.

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Short of reworking the entire instance and removing the multiplayer component (in which case you don't need MSQ roulette anymore so the point is moot), there is no other practical solution that addresses the problem

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That is the only solution, not only given SE themselves have given up on the existing design, thus taking away its right to exist at all, but because no other solution would even begin to address the problem, which is the 7 other people you need to run the content with.

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we suck so bad at agreeing on how to experience the game

Just give the rewards to PvP roulette and scrap the entire MSQ roulette.

Give player in Praetorium and Castrum meridianum something like the Jesus bot (it's the bot at the beginning to the left) like SWTOR did in their second expansion. It acts as your tank, healer, dps...it is basically your mom. You really can't die unless you purposely throw yourself down a cliff. Problem solved.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

When people would rather force close and reboot the client a dozen times per run rather than watch the cutscenes, you'd hope the devs get the hint. Changing it the way they did was just a dumb idea.

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When people would do all that just to speed up a completely optional dungeon, it means those people are nuts and best avoided.

The dungeon design is just flawed. The story should've been laid out where all the cutscenes are at the end. That way, people could watch them without wasting other peoples' time.

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Originally Posted by kikix12

That's quite expected though. They pretty much showed the more experienced players a middle finger all the while trying to bribe them with rewards that, if you cut out the cutscenes, are very tempting. Going so far as to modify the client (which is very, very much against the ToS) is too far, but it's not like it's not normal or expected.

Square Enix is the one entirely at fault here. They want to get a constant stream of revenue, but hardly ever take responsibility for it. Can you imagine a situation in which you buy a car for 10000$ straight from a dealer but when you're trying to drive it out the gearbox just gets stuck because of a critical factory fault?! Now imagine that dealer and the maker of the car saying "tough luck, you bought it as it is, instead we'll have a tow truck get the car into your garage and deal with it yourself". This is what Square Enix did. They provided a broken content but don't want to fix it.

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If anything it just shows me that people want to have their cake and eat it too, and that's pretty sad on the part of the player base that thinks that way.

Doubt this is gonna be a thing, no one is gonna relog 10+ times just to sit there anyways with the rest of the party unable to help kill stuff.