SE: Thank you for finally releasing the male bunny suits!

The Bunny Bustier for males look awesome! They are just as I wanted.


Now please continue like this and stop the exclusive clothes for genders. Spring Dress and Expeditioner's Tabard for males and High House Justaucorps and Uraeus Body Armor for females.

Keep up the good work!

Unf I'd love the Expeditioner's Tabard for males so much. It's just the kind of fancy I like.

It wasn’t what I expected but... I don’t mind. Keep it up SE.

Meh. I understand a lot of people want to play dress-up with their doll (character) and to break gender lines, but honestly, I’d rather see Devs spend time on content than on addressing a silly clothing imbalance.

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

I’d rather see Devs spend time on content than on addressing a silly clothing imbalance.

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They're worked on by different teams so really, no harm done.

I am grateful that they are finally releasing it at look forward to glam-ing it.

I'm super happy for the guys who wanted the bunny suits! Congratulations and I can't wait to see you guys rocking them in game!♡

Bunny suits are one thing but I want more locked gear, not less.

Are there any pictures and are they being added in Patch 4.3?

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Bunny suits are one thing but I want more locked gear, not less.

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I am curious, why do you want locked gear?

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Originally Posted by Krokov

Are there any pictures and are they being added in Patch 4.3?

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Yes: https://i.4cdn.org/vg/1523220424776.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/phxM0WH.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/KIWGgyx.jpg

Looking Fabulous!

Here here. It's about time too.
Better late than never?

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Bunny suits are one thing but I want more locked gear, not less.

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I kind of agree. They would have more freedom with how they can design outfits for just one gender if they don't have to obsess over how to translate it over to the other.

...Of course my (and I'm sure many others') condition on that would be keeping the ratio of that kind of gear 1:1, and entirely cutting out that pathetic habit of theirs where they made a gender-locked set for females and the male-version is unisex. Recently though, so far so good (I think).

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Bunny suits are one thing but I want more locked gear, not less.

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I agree. I like the idea of having flexibility when it comes to role-playing, but too much freedom is a bad thing in this instance. Role-playing is best when it's done within semi-realistic constraints. Keeping jobs and races distinct lends extra weight to the choices one makes when creating their character and choosing their primary job(s). It would also give SE the option to really add to the depth of their game world, because clothing could be used to emphasize things like the geographical origin of individual jobs, or the cultural history of various races, as an example. That would lead to a much richer experience than what we have right now.

Also, I really wish they'd do something about Glamours in combat scenarios. Watching a tank charge into a crowd of monsters wearing swim trunks really shreds whatever sense of immersion still exists within FFXIV. I'm not sure how they'd fix this, but there are options; maybe introduce some sort of level 1 "leisure" job that players can switch to (but one that can't gain XP). Then, restrict all of these purely Glamour-focused, non-combat outfits to this new job.

Edit / Addition: Within these restraints, I certainly agree with the masses think there should be a reasonable degree of equality across jobs, genders, and races. It doesn't have to be an absolute 1:1 match, but there shouldn't be a large disparity.

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

Meh. I understand a lot of people want to play dress-up with their doll (character) and to break gender lines, but honestly, I’d rather see Devs spend time on content than on addressing a silly clothing imbalance.

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There's more than one team in FFXIV...

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Originally Posted by Vhailor

I'm not sure how they'd fix this, but there are options; maybe introduce some sort of level 1 "leisure" job that players can switch to (but one that can't gain XP). Then, restrict all of these purely Glamour-focused, non-combat outfits to this new job.

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I feel like the fact that we're a bunch of catbois, dragon ladies and sentient potatoes throwing magic at monsters kinda boots realism out the window though.

I'm glad SE made these glams accessible, I know it was desired by a fair few people. Grats guys!:3

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Originally Posted by Vhailor

Also, I really wish they'd do something about Glamours in combat scenarios. Watching a tank charge into a crowd of monsters wearing swim trunks really shreds whatever sense of immersion still exists within FFXIV. I'm not sure how they'd fix this, but there are options; maybe introduce some sort of level 1 "leisure" job that players can switch to (but one that can't gain XP). Then, restrict all of these purely Glamour-focused, non-combat outfits to this new job.

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How to kill your game in 1 easy step: follow this suggestion! ;) People play XIV for different reasons and not all of them are for immersion into the world of Eorzea. If you roleplay, that's fine. There are other people who are totally into the tiny chick with a big axe diving into the fray in bikini armour fantasy. Maybe you can ask for or fund a mod that, under user-defined conditions, replaces certain people's gear appearance with job artifact gear in your client? Impractical, but so is expecting everyone to know what you do and don't approve of and accommodate for that when they get matched with you.

I wouldn't mind gender restrictions if guys got gear in equal measure. If you're going to lock the female gear, lock the male set as well. Like Cidel said, none of that half-ass lock the female and make the male unisex nonsense. And don't release a set for one gender and give nothing for the other. That's the only real reason I've asked for unlocked everything- I can't trust SE to give guys a fair deal when it comes to gear set locking.

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Edit / Addition: Within these restraints, I certainly agree with the masses think there should be a reasonable degree of equality across jobs, genders, and races. It doesn't have to be an absolute 1:1 match, but there shouldn't be a large disparity.

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Oh? Would you really be okay with this if you were on the side with less options? Somehow I doubt that.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

I feel like the fact that we're a bunch of catbois, dragon ladies and sentient potatoes throwing magic at monsters kinda boots realism out the window though.

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Iunno, to me immersion hinges upon sticking to the foundation laid out in the game world. I can accept a game working within a foundation of multiple cooperating races / species and involving magic. I can also accept a game wherein dungeons are entered into via a magical Duty Finder, because sometimes compromises are needed for the sake of gameplay.

Glamours, on the other hand, defy the foundations laid throughout the game world. It defies the clothing conventions of NPCs in the vast majority of cases; it defies the foundations laid by the gear system, wherein there's a strong correlation between one's defensive prowess and the thickness of one's armour. Hence, for me, it shreds the immersion a good bit more than a bolt of lightning coming from a BLM does.

there you go guys you now have your veara race

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Oh? Would you really be okay with this if you were on the side with less options? Somehow I doubt that.

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Did you not read my post? I already said I wanted a reasonable degree of equality across jobs, genders, and races.

And it's utterly asinine to expect an exact 1:1 ratio. That's like expecting an exact 1:1 ratio of job abilities across all jobs. It inhibits artistic freedom for the development team, because the split-second someone gets a great idea for a particular race and gender, there's suddenly a looming question over what should be done for the remaining races and genders. It'll never happen, and never should happen - and advocating for it will almost surely incline SE and others to dismiss you as a hard-liner to be ignored, rather than someone contributing a valuable, reasonable idea to the community.

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Originally Posted by Vhailor

Iunno, to me immersion hinges upon sticking to the foundation laid out in the game world. I can accept a game working within a foundation of multiple cooperating races / species and involving magic. I can also accept a game wherein dungeons are entered into via a magical Duty Finder, because sometimes compromises are needed for the sake of gameplay.


Glamours, on the other hand, defy the foundations laid throughout the game world. It defies the clothing conventions of NPCs in the vast majority of cases; it defies the foundations laid by the gear system, wherein there's a strong correlation between one's defensive prowess and the thickness of one's armour. Hence, for me, it shreds the immersion a good bit more than a bolt of lightning coming from a BLM does.

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There are literal tank bikinis though - look at the Shisui set. Look at the Sky Pirate top. Look at the glam of almost every Au Ra on the Steppe.Tanks defend against incoming damage with flashy magical abilities just as dps throw fireballs with them.

I dunno, I get that you have your own idea of immersion I just don't see how it's rooted in any logic.

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Originally Posted by Vhailor

Also, I really wish they'd do something about Glamours in combat scenarios. Watching a tank charge into a crowd of monsters wearing swim trunks really shreds whatever sense of immersion still exists within FFXIV. I'm not sure how they'd fix this, but there are options; maybe introduce some sort of level 1 "leisure" job that players can switch to (but one that can't gain XP). Then, restrict all of these purely Glamour-focused, non-combat outfits to this new job.

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Absolutely not.

I happen to fancy the Ala Mhigan Gown, Spring Shorts, Faire Joi, Eastern Lady's Crackows and Thavnairian Sandals. Your proposal prevents me from using any of them as glamour during combat. Forcing people into "pre-approved" outfits is a fantastic way to lose players, especially in a game that heavily promotes glamour as "the true endgame."

Sure, bikini tanks may look silly, but sometimes I feel like being silly.

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Did you not read my post? I already said I wanted a reasonable degree of equality across jobs, genders, and races.

And it's utterly asinine to expect an exact 1:1 ratio. That's like expecting an exact 1:1 ratio of job abilities across all jobs. It inhibits artistic freedom for the development team, because the split-second someone gets a great idea for a particular race and gender, there's suddenly a looming question over what should be done for the remaining races and genders. It'll never happen, and never should happen - and advocating for it will almost surely incline SE and others to dismiss you as a hard-liner to be ignored, rather than someone contributing a valuable, reasonable idea to the community.

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I read your post and considering you're posting with a female Miqo'te avatar, I don't think you've ever been on the side that wants for options. Of course I want to have as much variety and quantity in gear you have available to you- I am not unreasonable for wanting fairness. Gear design is not even remotely the same as job ability quantity/balance so I'm not sure why you're trying to go that way. If you make something nice for one gender but can't reasonably design a similar set, then make it available to everyone. If you can make two stylistically different sets that are locked, release them in tandem. If you can make two variations on the same set, then release them locked or unlocked as you see fit.

As a customer who feels shorted by SE's design team I frankly don't care about limiting artistic freedom and the stress they feel when they suddenly have to account for the other half of the player base. They are paid professionals who do this for a living and I expect that to be reflected in the options available to me. If they can't be fair as-is, then they need to review their process to address the gaps and shortcomings. It didn't use to be that girls had more than guys when the glamour system was introduced- only over time did it become apparent that SE was more interested in playing Barbie with their female avatars and leaving men as an afterthought. They started off equal and they can become equal again- it's not some impossibly outrageous notion.

I like the idea of having some more glamour items for female characters. Albeit, at the moment I'm kind of in love with my new world shaman get up.

I want the wedding tux for my femroes so why not give the boys the dresses as well.

it is nice to see SE grant a request from feedback.

If the inspector can wear a dress , i see no reason the rest of the males can not do the same !
Granted he did look quite frightening , like Baldrick from the black Adder TV series.

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Originally Posted by Vhailor

Glamours, on the other hand, defy the foundations laid throughout the game world. It defies the clothing conventions of NPCs in the vast majority of cases.

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There are NPCs that will apply to your military squadron in fullbody reindeer, snowman, pig, etc outfits and get accepted.
There are NPCs that wear a mix of caster/healer/melee/tank gear on their models
Most NPCs are not the special advanced jobs that your character is (whm, blm, etc)
Glamours exist in the game world, sometimes to even disguise a person entirely. It's been in a few seasonal quest lines and levequests.

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

Meh. I understand a lot of people want to play dress-up with their doll (character) and to break gender lines, but honestly, I’d rather see Devs spend time on content than on addressing a silly clothing imbalance.

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While I do agree with more 'dungeon' content, the 'clothing' artist devs do not create dungeon or bosses. So more or less of these costumes won't really change the speed at which we get more 'dungeon' content.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Bunny suits are one thing but I want more locked gear, not less.

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So true, I don't know why everybody wants the exact same thing on all the different races. Like why even have different races then? I want to have stuff that's only available to hyurs and so feel more special about it.
Back in my day (vanilla WoW, MMO's around 2004 and before) each race felt unique and special in their own way, there were reasons as to why you picked one, but now soon everything is going to be the same ... >.>

Everything's the same because they don't want to discourage people from investing in that sweet, sweet Fantasia revenue

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Originally Posted by Nightroad

If the inspector can wear a dress , i see no reason the rest of the males can not do the same !
Granted he did look quite frightening , like Baldrick from the black Adder TV series.

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Now all we need is a male version of the blackbosom attire. And female version of the butler attire. Some may think I'm joking but I'm being completely serious.

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Originally Posted by Transient_Shadow

And female version of the butler attire.

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There already is a female version of the butler attire.

a maid's outfit doesn't qualify as allowing a female character to dress in male clothing.

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Originally Posted by Transient_Shadow

a maid's outfit doesn't qualify as allowing a female character to dress in male clothing.

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Its the female equivalent to the butler set. Making the butler set unisex would widen the gap in the disparity between male & female glams.

I don't see how it would widen any gap. In my honest opinion there shouldn't even be gender restrictions period. The bunn outfit is a step in the right direction. and before you get bent out of shape over cross dressing just remember its just as valid as dressing in a bikini or ghost outfit and doing the main storyline.

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I don't see how it would widen any gap. In my honest opinion there shouldn't even be gender restrictions period. The bunn outfit is a step in the right direction. and before you get bent out of shape over cross dressing just remember its just as valid as dressing in a bikini or ghost outfit and doing the main storyline.

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The issue of the bunny set was that it meant that females could wear the two female outfits and the one unisex “male” outfit. Now everyone has access to the male and female outfits, so we get 3 sets for males, 3 sets for females. Using your own example:
- There is no male equivalent to the female Blackbosom set.
- There is a female equivalent to the male Butler set.

If we made the Butler attire unisex, females would get the female set and the male set. Even if they gave the blackbosom a male equivalent, at the end of the day females would get 3 outfits (the maid set, the butler set, the blackbosom set) while males get 2 outfits (the butler set, the blackbosom set).

I have zero issue with crossdressing of any kind. Feel free to check my post history ;)

Now SE unlocks all the gender-exclusive gear right? Right? Please I need more butch-y options for my fem au'ra. And I want to put my male alts in dresses p l e a s e .

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Originally Posted by Cidel

I kind of agree. They would have more freedom with how they can design outfits for just one gender if they don't have to obsess over how to translate it over to the other.

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Square doesn't have to limit themselves or put much effort: if they make a piece of cloth aimed to one gender, take that exact piece and apply it to the other gender. Don't change a thing, just like these male bunny outfits, or the rest of the clothes aimed for men but that women can wear, like the bestman suit.

And while we're at it, cover up the female DRG's AF1 costume, the frostbite in Coerthas alone would kill her before a dragon can claw at that sort flesh.