Hello means 'burst ready'.

The top players have all been using "Hello" for burst ready. Hopefully the rest of the people using it to vent frustration will revert back to "Nice job!" when frustrated.

Also, I wrote a guide on communicating without chat: https://pvpaissa.com/article/feast-b...nd-opportunity

Nice Job!


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Getting the message out.

Considering people also use it for "That was stupid, heal me, This is dumb" It's kind of hard to tell the difference between the usage. Ah well, at least I'm not joining this season either. Changes were terrible.

Ironically toxicity is the reason we can't tell the difference between burst ready and you're an idiot, considering toxicity is the reason we cant chat at all.

Seems like my healer had burst ready then. :P

I've been trying to get into the habit of using this, and so far every game I've used it in someone ends up thinking it's just sarcastic. Last game our healer literally stopped playing and sat down in the middle of the arena because I was using hello to try and co-ordinate some burst with our melee.

Just add a "Burst Ready!" option, please.

Edit: On that matter, though, when is more useful to inform your melee that burst is ready as SMN? Before you DWT? or would you let the melee know as you DWT so they've got 15 seconds to get into position to line up with Deathflare / Summon / Enkindle?

Just say "Hello!" when you feel your burst is ready. Eventually, a knowledgeable melee will coordinate with you. You can "go straight into DWT" and hope the countdown occurs within the time frame it's active. You can also activate DWT when the countdown begins. IMO, do whatever you can to get a good burst in. Summon can be a problem, because Bahamut may not cast Akh Morn the moment you command it. Therefore, if you're going to have Bahamut out while waiting for the countdown, make sure Bahamut is within melee range of you. You also have the option of summoning Bahamut when the countdown begins. But if you can, leave an extra Aetherflow for Fester if your melee wants to burst again if the initial coordinated burst fails. Oh and, always have DOT's up on your intended targets, it adds to your burst damage. All-in-all, just say "Hello!" to communicate your ready to burst (in DWT or Summon... or with DWT or Summon ready, just as long as you can burst when the counter hits 1).

Question. How do I add the quick chat "Hello" to my countdown macro?

Quick chat is a macro so you can't add a macro to a another macro.

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Considering people also use it for "That was stupid, heal me, This is dumb" It's kind of hard to tell the difference between the usage. Ah well, at least I'm not joining this season either. Changes were terrible.

Ironically toxicity is the reason we can't tell the difference between burst ready and you're an idiot, considering toxicity is the reason we cant chat at all.

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Higher level play it's definitely only assumed for burst ready. People who play often will easily be able to easily tell a difference.

It's all about context.

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Question. How do I add the quick chat "Hello" to my countdown macro?

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Quick chat is not macroable. You should have hotkey slots free for it.

Hello! :rolleyes:

We are aware that due to a lack of "My burst is ready" quick chat, players have found ways to communicate with their teammates when they are ready to burst - using "Hello" being one of them.

We would like to let you know that this situation has been forwarded to the dev. team, and that they are positively looking into the situation!

Good luck to all of you trying to climb the ladder in Season 7!

Instead of having to use some ridiculous pre determined system, just let us talk to our team mates. . .

Awww, this wasn't about ERP? :<

I'm still kind of amazed that quick chat was necessary in the first place. The immaturity of some players really is quite astounding.

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Please. Quick chat discussion only... lol.

If they wanna build around burst they have to buff some classes also because some classes are better at bursting then others.

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Instead of having to use some ridiculous pre determined system, just let us talk to our team mates. . .

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Unfortunately there are far too many immature people who play the game to make this viable. They had to remove chat for good reasons: in this day & age it was too risky (business wise & legally) for them to allow free chat to continue. They were also swamped with so many reports of abuse that the only option was to remove chat altogether or face complete collapse of the moderation system.

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Unfortunately there are far too many immature people who play the game to make this viable. They had to remove chat for good reasons: in this day & age it was too risky (business wise & legally) for them to allow free chat to continue. They were also swamped with so many reports of abuse that the only option was to remove chat altogether or face complete collapse of the moderation system.

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Or instead of taking away chat, they should've added the option to MUTE. XD LMAO

I actually think the way some people spam quick chat commands, that muting would be a fine option.

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Unfortunately there are far too many immature people who play the game to make this viable. They had to remove chat for good reasons: in this day & age it was too risky (business wise & legally) for them to allow free chat to continue. They were also swamped with so many reports of abuse that the only option was to remove chat altogether or face complete collapse of the moderation system.

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The game has a T rating: Content Descriptors: Alcohol Reference, Animated Blood, Language, Suggestive Themes, Violence
Other: Online Interactions Not Rated by the ESRB (Windows PC, PlayStation 3)

The game itself has foul language, if people don't like it, they shouldn't play. If they don't like to play a game where others can critique their performance (especially in a competitive environment), they shouldn't be playing a game where there are other people with differing opinions. Play a single player game, or just play with friends. You can't expect everyone everywhere to agree all of the time, that's unrealistic. Companies shouldn't be held to ridiculous standards that it's playerbase and their behaviors are somehow reflective of the company. Just give the option to mute and keep moving.

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If people would read the quest to unlock feast, they could have a little idea what to expect and what not. So even lore wise they prepare you for it, its your choice if you want to be part of it lol.

"I don't recall seein' yer ugly mug around here before. Hm? Ye say that Rhiki sent ye!?
She said she was sendin' an adventurer, not some simperin' sea louse! Bah! If I'd known it was yer sorry hide I'd be dealin' with, I'd have spit on yer recommendation papers and tossed 'em into the briny deep! But─much to my chagrin─ye made it here in one piece.So listen up! They call this place the Wolves' Den, but yer no wolf. No, yer the runt of the litter─a whimperin', droolin' pup who'd be lucky to suckle one drop from yer mum's teat before yer bigger siblin's grabbed ye by yer neck and tossed ye aside to starve like the wretch you are!
Stand up straight, maggot! This ain't no place for the faint of heart, and I give yer sorry arse till dawn before ye run home with yer tail between yer legs, cryin' for yer mum.
Yer beyond help, but because I'm feelin' so godsdamned generous, I'll give it to ye anyway! If ye've a mind to learn somethin', come back and I'll beat it into ye good and proper. And next time ye show yer ugly mug, I want to see fangs! Dismissed!"

What folks complain about isn't harsh language. What was dragging PvP into the mud was bullying and abuse, pure and simple. It's belittling, and mocking folks to relieve frustration at poor performance (not always on the part of the target; scapegoating was prevalent as well), poor sportsmanship, and poor attitudes on the parts of winners and losers alike. This kind of thing is discouraged in just about ANY kind of competitive sport - but the options available for discouraging it in online sports are much more limited.

We're not talking about good-natured smack-talk. We're talking about communication legitimately intended to undermine players' confidence and feelings of self-worth in an effort to drive them away from the game - something which is in itself patently absurd given that PvP is ALREADY struggling to maintain an adequate amount of participation.

As for the NPC "preparing you for it", taking abuse from a live human being is an entirely different thing from taking abuse from an NPC - and more than that, this NPC is clearly mimicking a "drill sergeant" style, widely recognized as a very impersonal form of abuse, one intended to break down the target and build them up into a stronger person. The filth being flung about by players was anything but impersonal, and entirely neglects the "build up" aspect.

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What folks complain about isn't harsh language. What was dragging PvP into the mud was bullying and abuse, pure and simple. It's belittling, and mocking folks to relieve frustration at poor performance

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The problem in the old PvP was, that you could do a lot of rookie mistakes. You could wear diadem gear, or gear which barely met the ilvl requirement which meant less secondary stats, then you have gear that people shouldn't wear at all like dexterity, intelligence, strenght gear as a tank. Before the match even started it was clear who would win. And who wouldn't get angry at somebody if you tell the guy what he needs to change but he literally does the same mistakes for several hundred matches. Then people could have not unlocked their jobskills, some never used the extra 5-6 pvp skills which could be even traited further. Another major disadvantage because those were really strong.

Feast wasn't so easy 2 explain that you can tell the guy everything he has to know in 1 minute preparation time.
It's just some western mentality that a lot of players don't see a reason to get informed before they join ranked PvP, they expected it to be like any other casualfriendly content in the game, where you just go in say hi and everybody is happy. But what happens is, they lose. And this game is good at giving you everything you want in PvE, because you can't practically lose you just have to try another time until you win. But in PvP a lose is permanent, and it isn't you ofc who did the mistakes because you always won in all the other content...right?

Well whatever, the made it now very basic and casualfriendly, but it feels boring because the gameplay doesn't allow much dynamic situations.We have to realy on countdowns in order to kill anything at all, which still often fail. Generally, I see less topics to rage about than before with old PvP.
People get banned and reported for stuff that happens in PvE content, I dont see why PvP cant be the same. If you are stuck in a 24er raid because some players cant handle mechanics and wipe you for 30min, the chat is more toxic than PvP ever was. And a PvP match is only 6min and not 1 hour...

In any PvP game you have shittalk and toxic players, but there are very simple measures to counter it. You can mute, blacklist, report to just name a few. They decided to just block all communication, and guess what all PvP players have done... they created linkshells and discords, because they still need to talk serious with each other even if the game prevents it. SE seems just not wanting to moderate the content or deal with the reports. You shouldn't talk about e-sports if you can't handle those minor pvp related issues.

Good PvP needs communication or you wont notice what you did wrong or how to improve. It actually helped to some degree, especially in the old PvP.

Still cant get any word on open world pvp. But this got a reply in 2 pages....

Where is the defend quick chat button? Sexy D is a beautiful thing, in other sports and game fans appreciate good defense, but we have no chat to communicate to our teammates to play defense.

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In any PvP game you have shittalk and toxic players, but there are very simple measures to counter it.

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Well, and SE's opinion on that is:

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Naoki Yoshida:
I completely understand that it would be better for advanced PvP players to be able to use full chat functions. However, the data clearly shows that a greater number of new players have joined the content after we removed chat functions—this is a fact that we cannot dispute. From this, we can tell how much harsh language was becoming an impediment to new players and hurting their participation. I believe that this change is something that is inevitable not only for FFXIV, but for all PvP games.

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https://mogtalk.org/2017/08/30/mogta...yoshida-2-pvp/

As for the topic, I'd suggest implementing an official Burst Counter/Countdown while you're at it. Much like the "Burst Ready" announcement, people already do those via macro, because of how important coordinating burst has become. I mean, one could also reduce the importance of burst, but let's not go there. I'll just start fuming and flailing at people again and I just got back from a PvP forum break.

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Still cant get any word on open world pvp. But this got a reply in 2 pages....

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Please....Open World PvP is not going to happen in this game.

If they did it, it would probably be on a server all its own, and really, how many people would join? There are barely enough people to sustain PVP in this game as it is (sadly).