SE Needs to Auto-disband FCs

So going by https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../housing_land/, the restrictions for FC purchases are:

• 4 or more members
• Rank 6 or higher
• Does not currently own an FC house

Also, going by https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...t_freecompany/, there needs to be at least four members to found an FC.

The last thing that's missing with this is enforcing that all FCs have at least four members, or they have a week (or a month) before the server automatically disbands the FC because it is too small.

IMO, this is a necessary feature for FCs that should have always been there.

People would field an fc with three other alts just to stay solo. This would be a worthless enforcement that wastes resources and affects nothing.

And, why should SE implement these “restrictions”? What if a small FC of 2~3 friends doesn’t even want to buy a house, but just be in a Free Company together so that they can make use of the private FC chat (without taking up an LS spot, since those are limited), or the FC chest? Why punish them for not having 4 members (especially if they aren’t interested in buying a house—hard to believe, but not everyone wants a house)?

I get that you’re “angry” about the Housing situation, but implementing even more arbitrary restrictions or punishing players that only have 1 or 2 friends in the game for not wanting random people in their FC is not the answer. SE never removes old characters that haven’t been used in years. They won’t even delete the mass amounts of RMT bots that have been banned in the past. What makes you think they’re going to start auto-disbanding Free Companies?

FCs will already lose their house in inactive. FC leaderships will already automatically transfer if the leader is inactive.

This is an utterly pointless suggestion. There's no reason to limit the existence of FCs, they take up no limited resource. And as for limited housing, auto demolition is already in place.

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

People would field an fc with three other alts just to stay solo. This would be a worthless enforcement that wastes resources and affects nothing.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

And, why should SE implement these “restrictions”? What if a small FC of 2~3 friends doesn’t even want to buy a house, but just be in a Free Company together so that they can make use of the private FC chat (without taking up an LS spot, since those are limited), or the FC chest? Why punish them for not having 4 members (especially if they aren’t interested in buying a house—hard to believe, but not everyone wants a house)?

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So why should they be allowed to drop below 4 players in the first place?

Both pieces of information indicate that the minimum FC size should be 4.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

I get that you’re “angry” about the Housing situation, but implementing even more arbitrary restrictions or punishing players that only have 1 or 2 friends in the game for not wanting random people in their FC is not the answer. SE never removes old characters that haven’t been used in years. They won’t even delete the mass amounts of RMT bots that have been banned in the past. What makes you think they’re going to start auto-disbanding Free Companies?

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Why are you bringing in unrelated issues? Please leave your emotional baggage in the other thread.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

FCs will already lose their house in inactive. FC leaderships will already automatically transfer if the leader is inactive.

This is an utterly pointless suggestion. There's no reason to limit the existence of FCs, they take up no limited resource. And as for limited housing, auto demolition is already in place.

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Again, it seems like SE thinks the minimum size for an FC should be 4. Is it really a good thing to have an FC drop below four players?

SE thinks the minimum size of an FC that wants to own a house should be four. The requirement of four members to found the company is trivial and is the only other instance in which 4 members are required. FCs of less than four members that don't even care about housing have literally zero negative impact.

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

So why should they be allowed to drop below 4 players in the first place?

Both pieces of information indicate that the minimum FC size should be 4.

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And? Requirements to personal housing purchases also state that you have to be Second Lieutenant in your current Grand Company AND be level 50. Are you going to propose we add those restrictions to FC formations as well because they’re present for Housing?

The requirements state that you need 4 members to form an FC, yes. But nowhere in them do they state you have to maintain such a minimum. What if one of the 4 players decides to quit the game and deletes their character? Or they have a falling out with one of the other individuals in the FC? Should the FC as a whole be punished and forcibly disbanded if one decided to quit, or if two get into an argument and one leaves? No. That’s silly. Why do you care if FCs drop below 4 members? What sort of burden does it place on you, or the playerbase as a whole? You make this proposition, but you give no reasoning to back them up.

“Why should they be allowed to drop below 4 members in the first place”? Why should they be forced to maintain a minimum member count in the first place?

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Why are you bringing in unrelated issues? Please leave your emotional baggage in the other thread.

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Your propositions in this thread are directly related to Housing, which you were discussing in your other thread. These two threads are related, whether you want to openly acknowledge that or not. If this thread was related just to FCs with sub-four members, and not Housing at all in any shape or fashion, you wouldn’t be citing Housing requirements in your OP. And, if it’s not related to Housing, then again: why do you care if an FC drops below 4 members or not? An FC with 3 members can’t purchase a house anyways, so why do you care if it exists as it is?

You should probably also learn what “emotional baggage” actually means; you’re the only one getting overly heated, hostile, and defensive in your own threads, not me.

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Why are you bringing in unrelated issues? Please leave your emotional baggage in the other thread.

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To be fair, sounds like you're the one with emotional issues here. Your suggestion sounds like the fastest way to lose customers.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

The requirement of four members to found the company is trivial and is the only other instance in which 4 members are required.

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I agree as well, as it means you may have to **gasp** be social and actually recruit people should the following things that normally kill guilds/FCs happen:

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

What if one of the 4 players decides to quit the game and deletes their character?

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Or they have a falling out with one of the other individuals in the FC?

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Should the FC as a whole be punished and forcibly disbanded if one decided to quit, or if two get into an argument and one leaves?

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In almost all of those situations, someone can roll an alt and pad the roster with said alt to keep member count above four, assuming that the FC isn't far above four members to begin with, which (going by what Elamys has said) is a trivial thing to do.

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Originally Posted by Nalfein

To be fair, sounds like you're the one with emotional issues here. Your suggestion sounds like the fastest way to lose customers.

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To be quite blunt, I'm getting really tired of dealing with that drama queen and her herd of drama llamas. They really need to ride on back to the Andes.

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

To be quite blunt, I'm getting really tired of dealing with that drama queen and her herd of drama llamas. They really need to ride on back to the Andes.

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I see that the new trend is to resort to name-calling whenever someone disagrees with you. If anyone is acting dramatic in these threads, it's you, hun. I don't need a "herd of drama llamas" to debate with people. The individual you debated with back and forth in your other thread has no association with me, so, I'm curious where this "herd" is.

I disagree with all of your suggestions in this thread and your other thread because they are arbitrary and serve no purpose, and because you cannot give any reasonable, non-emotional responses to back them up. Aside from the fact that, when people make counterarguments or ask questions, you ignore them or respond with nothing but outright hostility.

Elamys' statement seemed to correspond with my own: FCs with less than 4 members have absolutely no negative impact on you or the Housing situation. Which, again, you brought up Housing in this thread. So, I ask you again, why do you care if they exist just as they are? Why add in all these pointless restrictions of "FCs are required to keep a minimum of 4 members at all times, or else they with be automatically disbanded"? Give me actual, non-emotional reasons to back up your proposal. If you can't formulate reasons to back them up, then don't make them.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

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Would it kill you to stay on topic and not resort to personal attacks?

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Again, it seems like SE thinks the minimum size for an FC should be 4. Is it really a good thing to have an FC drop below four players?

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Is it a good thing to suggest the devs dedicate time and resources to policing this?

Is it a good thing to auto disband a small FC because someone unexpectedly leaves?

Is it a good thing to forbid small FCs from kicking a toxic member?

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Is it a good thing to auto disband a small FC because someone unexpectedly leaves?

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I guess people would abuse and trigger the auto disband anytime they have a personal grief against their FC members.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Is it a good thing to suggest the devs dedicate time and resources to policing this?

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Why would the devs allocate a GM to something that automation can handle?

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Is it a good thing to auto disband a small FC because someone unexpectedly leaves?

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If the players can't roll an alt within a week because someone left, or find another member, there's bigger issues in play than a smaller roster size.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Is it a good thing to forbid small FCs from kicking a toxic member?

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If we're talking about a micro FC (which is what we're really talking about here, as most small FCs are usually less than 50, but generally over 10 or so members), why couldn't someone roll an alt and stick it in the FC to balance?

Or (Hydaelen forbid) someone actually interacts with another person and recruits another player into the FC.....

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Originally Posted by Nalfein

I guess people would abuse and trigger the auto disband anytime they have a personal grief against their FC members.

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Wouldn't that normally precede an FC that's about to break up anyway?

There is literally no reason for this. If people want to be in an FC with less then 4 members then let them.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

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Actually the OP is right...your derailing the thread and resorting to personal attacks...I suggest you stop before I report you myself.

Knock it off.

As for the OP's proposal....I dont like it either...but lets stop with the stupid foolishness of name calling as you so pointedly indicated and drawing out topics that are not in this thread.
Nowhere did I see mention of housing in any case...the complaint is FC's shouldn't be so easily formed...nothing to do with housing.
Wasn't there in the first place until you started making it an issue. Goes for everyone else who also drew a conclusion...coincidental or not.

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Would it kill you to stay on topic and not resort to personal attacks?

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Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan

Actually the OP is right...your derailing the thread and resorting to personal attacks...I suggest you stop before I report you myself.

Knock it off.

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What? No, seriously. What?

In what insane reality do either of you live in that any response Hyomin made constitutes a personal attack? I was under the impression this were a forum where people... disagreed with one another. Apparently, doing so equals to emotional baggage. Given the OP's increasing hostility, what's actual quite apparent is they do not want to have any discussion but simply expect everyone to agree with their proposal. Such a shame the world doesn't revolve around you.

Anyway.

As nearly everyone has already stated, enforcing a four person restriction on FCs serves no objective purpose but to punish people. You even acknowledge alts would circumvent such a restriction regardless, OP; making it all the more pointless. If people wish to have a FC with only one or two member, leave them be. They neither hurt nor impact you.

Not cool suggestion. Some players make guilds for extra storage, not only to get your so wanted house wwww

More importantly, all of Hyomin's posts were discussing the topic. Ironically, the only off topic derailment posts were the ones telling them to stop derailing the thread with off topic posts (further derailing the thread into a discussion of the accusation of derailment).

Since OP refuses to back up their reasoning for such restrictions, there's not much to discuss here, anyway. Claims that "SE thinks the minimum size for an FC should be 4" are bunk. If that's truly what they intended, they would've have set the restriction in place from the start. Restrictions were not implemented, therefore, it can be assumed they have no opinion on maintaining small FCs.

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

If the players can't roll an alt within a week because someone left, or find another member, there's bigger issues in play than a smaller roster size.
If we're talking about a micro FC (which is what we're really talking about here, as most small FCs are usually less than 50, but generally over 10 or so members), why couldn't someone roll an alt and stick it in the FC to balance?

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Try making an alt on Balmung.

But really, this proposal is one of the most pointless I've seen. I'd rather they spend resources on something less pointless.

Any FC without a house, that has less than 4 members, affects you about as much as an FC with the average amount of members. As in, it doesn't affect you at all.
Any FC with a house, that has less than 4 members, might affect you, but that is more an issue with the housing availability, not the actual FC.

Some people make FCs for extra storage, to exchange items with alts or cause they want access to workshops but don't want to get tied to an actual FC and all the baggage or drama it can bring, why is this a bad thing again?

What I want to know is what's the proposed system to deal with the hypothetical FC house owned by an FC that would get auto-disbanded.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

What I want to know is what's the proposed system to deal with the hypothetical FC house owned by an FC that would get auto-disbanded.

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Well if they already have a system for an FC with no active members and thus no leader, I assume it would work like that? If they have such anyways, not something I've ever thought about.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

More importantly, all of Hyomin's posts were discussing the topic.

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Or more accurately, it's a bunch of questions and feelings. I answered the questions and ignored the feelings, what more do you want?

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Originally Posted by MuseTraveller

Some people make FCs for extra storage, to exchange items with alts or cause they want access to workshops but don't want to get tied to an actual FC and all the baggage or drama it can bring, why is this a bad thing again?

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There really needs to be a small chest in a houses for that exact same reason, and also workshop access tied to either Garlond Ironworks or the machinists in Ishgard.

I can get the social aspect... but that also seems counter to how FFXIV works because you must group up to progress through the MSQ.

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Originally Posted by Dualblade

Well if they already have a system for an FC with no active members and thus no leader, I assume it would work like that? If they have such anyways, not something I've ever thought about.

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Exactly, there's already code in place to handle a house released from an FC that's gone AFK, this would be about the same.

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

So why should they be allowed to drop below 4 players in the first place?

Both pieces of information indicate that the minimum FC size should be 4.

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This is not a response to my concern. People who want to solo but have an FC, will solo and have an FC. They will gladly field an FC with alts to stay at that minimum requirement of four people. Enforcing any sort of "not allowed to drop below four or auto disband" is a ludicrous waste of developer resources.

Nobody gains from your suggestion. People only lose.

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Again, it seems like SE thinks the minimum size for an FC should be 4. Is it really a good thing to have an FC drop below four players?

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Is it really a bad thing? Who is harmed? Answer that.

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Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan

Actually the OP is right...your derailing the thread and resorting to personal attacks...I suggest you stop before I report you myself.\

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Funny, forum policing isn't especially on-topic either. Threatening other members with a report sounds pretty reportable.

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

IMO, this is a necessary feature for FCs that should have always been there.

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Necessary? In what way would it be necessary?

Considering that the game has existed for several years without that "feature" and that complaints about its non-existence has been few and far between, I'd say that there is overwhelming evidence that it is in fact not necessary at all.

It is debatable if it is even a desirable feature, since the only positive impact it would have is to make it harder to set up and maintain dummy FCs that own houses. This is easy enough to get around however, which coupled with the obvious negative impact such a feature would have means that it is IMO not a desirable feature.

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Would it kill you to stay on topic and not resort to personal attacks?

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Personal attacks? Please quote where I have personally attacked you. Disagreeing with your proposal is not a personal attack. Neither is asking for you to provide solid reasoning for it.

I am asking you why this system should be implemented. If you were to present this to the developers as an idea, you need to provide a "why" to it; since you're presenting it on a discussion forum, I'm allowed to ask why it's a good idea. So far, all you have said is "IMO it's a good idea and should have been implemented from the beginning". Why, though? So why should it be implemented? What harm does 2- to 3- man FCs do to the playerbase that would require the developers to enforce a 4-person minimum rule that has to be consistently maintained?

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Or more accurately, it's a bunch of questions and feelings. I answered the questions and ignored the feelings, what more do you want?

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Any questions you answered were answered with another question. Which isn't an answer. You've never answered my question as to why is this a necessary feature. Especially since you've acknowledged it can just be circumvented anyways. Which would make it a needless and useless rule.

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Would it kill you to stay on topic and not resort to personal attacks?

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To be quite blunt, I'm getting really tired of dealing with that drama queen and her herd of drama llamas. They really need to ride on back to the Andes.

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I'm getting really tired of dealing with that drama queen and her herd of drama llamas.

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tired of dealing with that drama queen

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drama queen

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Originally Posted by MistakeNot

This is easy enough to get around however, which coupled with the obvious negative impact such a feature would have means that it is IMO not a desirable feature.

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Please quanitify the "obvious negative impact" with actual data, because from what I'm seeing, it's a boogeyman that doesn't exist.

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Please quanitify the "obvious negative impact" with actual data, because from what I'm seeing, it's a boogeyman that doesn't exist.

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I make an FC with my three friends because we want to just be alone and not with other people. We get to max rank and build up a good amount of items in the FC chest, enjoy our perks, get a lot of credits for items. We don't care about getting a house.

One friend stops playing.

The FC is now gone automatically.

What negative impact did the FC existing have before? Drama with Hyomin aside, this is one question you've yet to answer.

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

So going by https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../housing_land/, the restrictions for FC purchases are:

• 4 or more members
• Rank 6 or higher
• Does not currently own an FC house

Also, going by https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...t_freecompany/, there needs to be at least four members to found an FC.

The last thing that's missing with this is enforcing that all FCs have at least four members, or they have a week (or a month) before the server automatically disbands the FC because it is too small.

IMO, this is a necessary feature for FCs that should have always been there.

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In regards to the ongoing fuss over the FC and housing aren't part of the topic...You directly link and post the requirements for FC purchasing of housing. If not in regards to housing, while referencing that information you should have stated it is not in regards to JUST housing that you bring this up. Maybe fill it out a bit more in description for those who will just read your original post and not wade through all the comments after like I have.

Secondly in regards to the post in general, I just don't see how it is an issue regardless. I'd like clarification on the pros and cons of having an FC being disbanded simply for not meeting requirements. As it stands now however, there is no reason for this, based off the short post you made.

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Please quanitify the "obvious negative impact" with actual data, because from what I'm seeing, it's a boogeyman that doesn't exist.

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The obvious negative impact is that small existing FCs that have no interest in being bigger would get dissolved - thus making the players involved unhappy.

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Please quanitify the "obvious negative impact" with actual data, because from what I'm seeing, it's a boogeyman that doesn't exist.

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Please present copious amounts of data that supports your proposal being a boon to our community, with clear citations and open access to said data for 3rd party verification. Because so far, this is a witch hunt.

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Please quanitify the "obvious negative impact" with actual data, because from what I'm seeing, it's a boogeyman that doesn't exist.

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Please quantify both:
The negative impact <4 person FCs would have
The positive impact your suggestion would achieve

Sounds like you're just jelly cause you couldn't get a house. That's what I'm getting from your post TC.

But to auto-disband FC's cause you couldn't get a house? Hahaha....no. SE can be dumb sometimes, but I don't think their cruel enough to get rid of FC's just because they are small.

Nice clickbait tho. GG 7/10

I know you're upset you didn't get a house but c'mon dude don't you have anything better to do than come up with ways to ruin other people's fun? Go take a nap.

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

If the players can't roll an alt within a week because someone left, or find another member, there's bigger issues in play than a smaller roster size.


Or (Hydaelen forbid) someone actually interacts with another person and recruits another player into the FC.....

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Instead of presenting an actual argument why auto-desolving would be a good idea (I disagree with that), you're presenting a way to circumvent your own proposal...?
This makes this whole threat even more ridicolous...

You're making a lot of assumptions about small FCs - they they're about to break up etc. etc.
The truth is though that an FC with less than 4 characters in it isnt a bother to anyone and everyone who just wants to have an FC with one or two close friends or all by themself should be allowed to do so. Infact, even with and by your own idea since you brought up a way to circumvent it yourself, which suggest to me that you dont actually believe yourself that you'd need to have 4 actual people in an FC.

To the second part of your statment that I quoted: Hydaelen forbid someone wants to play this game alone/with two/one close friends and not intercat with other people all the time...! Seriously, who are you to judge how someone interacts socially in this game (as long as they're behaving in accepatble social standards in dungeons)? And why does it bother you if someone wants a mini-FC?
Right - it doesnt and it shouldnt. If it does, that seems like a problem that you need to sort out for yourself.

Mini-FCs arent hurting anyone. They cant buy a house. They dont take away any other ressources from other people. An you're bringing up a way to bypass the whole system yourself.
Please bring up an argument why the system should be in place.

I have a friend who started an FC and then the other 3 people left. Why? Because he gets left alone. He can still do anything an FC can but he doesn't get a constant nag of getting FC invites. I was FC'less for several months and I would get blind invites, etc and it gets old.

So unless housing is the issue. You are just limiting how people want to play their own character. A 1-person FC is not having any negative impact on you being able to play the game.