glamour dresser

is the glamour dress supposed to limit what items are put in it like i cant place most outfits from events in it like the songbird outfit or the wedding one but can add some of the mogstation items not including the lightning outfit

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Originally Posted by liliths

is the glamour dress supposed to limit what items are put in it like i cant place most outfits from events in it like the songbird outfit or the wedding one but can add some of the mogstation items not including the lightning outfit

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Anything that can be placed in the Armoire can't be put in the dresser

If you put it in the armoire you can use it via the dresser. Also don't put anything important in there cause you can never take it out to use it again.

that seems kinda dumb of a system if ya trying to make it simpler to use

But... you can literally use anything that's already in the Armoire. Without destroying those items.

It's so you don't destroy them. Put them in the armoire to use them.

These are the things I couldn't put in the dresser:

Wedding gear + ring
Relic/Anima weapons of any stage
Friendship Circlet

Can't check atm if the Friendship Circlet goes in the Armoire or not, but the other ones don't. I'm carrying my relics, wedding gear + ring, Mog Station gear, SAM/RDM starting gear, red PotD weapons and some rare-dyed event gear in the chocobag to not lose things which are impossible or painful to reobtain. This also leaves me with a small collection of outfits to put on retainers and the squadron.

Has the armoire been expanded for mogstation gear? Or...at all?

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Originally Posted by Rockette

Has the armoire been expanded for mogstation gear? Or...at all?

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not that I know of, they added the promotion items, butler/maid gear, the eastern journey set and the fanfest gear (IIRC) but not anything else,

I can't seem to add my Evoker's Doublet, but it'll let me add my Summoner's coat and my Scholar stuff, and even when I put it in the armoire it didn't show up as a glamour option. This is really frustrating and I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong

If it's in the Armoire, all you need to do is click the "Armoire" button while editing plates.

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Originally Posted by BambooRocket

I can't seem to add my Evoker's Doublet, but it'll let me add my Summoner's coat and my Scholar stuff, and even when I put it in the armoire it didn't show up as a glamour option. This is really frustrating and I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong

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Evoker's doublet can go in the armoire. Mine is. Did you repair it?
And everything I have in my armoire shows up as a glamour option.

Few things:
1. When you click on the plate gear slots, it filters on that type (so if you click on head slot on the plate, it'll only show you Head stuff on the dresser/armoire)
2. It will either show you the dresser or the armoire on the right-hand pane. You have to click "Open Armoire" to switch to Armoire Items, and "Open Glamour Dresser" to switch back to dresser items. (Please note that this is only for selecting things. On the plate you can of course mix and match from both, you can have a dresser item in your Waist and an Armoire item on your Feet)
3. For the armoire there are extra categories in the top section. Evoker and the like are in Artifact Armor section (first one)

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Originally Posted by BambooRocket

I can't seem to add my Evoker's Doublet, but it'll let me add my Summoner's coat and my Scholar stuff, and even when I put it in the armoire it didn't show up as a glamour option. This is really frustrating and I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong

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Evoker's Doublet (and all the other Lv45 job gear + matching Lv50 coats) will go in the armoire, but the 'improved version' Lv50 gear sets don't. So the Lv50 stuff can go in the dresser but the Lv45 stuff can't.

To access armoire items for setting glamours: when you're in the plate editing mode and have selected an item slot, at the bottom of the window showing items in the dresser, there's an "open armoire" button.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

Relic/Anima weapons of any stage

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If you want to use them in the dresser, you can buy the replicas from the npcs, they can be placed in the dresser and used.

the armoire needs to be expanded for this system to feel right i think
all the truly unique quest reward gear, wedding gear, and mog station gear should go into the retrievable armoire rather than the black hole glamour dresser

using relic gear replicas seems fine at least

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Originally Posted by Nihility

the armoire needs to be expanded for this system to feel right i think
all the truly unique quest reward gear, wedding gear, and mog station gear should go into the retrievable armoire rather than the black hole glamour dresser

using relic gear replicas seems fine at least

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I think they're trying to phase out the Armoire actually. .. IF the dresser works "better".

Hypothetically if you could use dresser glamours anywhere on any item without a plate (class/job restraints still apply) , what would be the reason to have the actual level 1 gear piece?
yes this is a big IF, and maybe this is the plan maybe not..

but If they can grow the system to that point where plates are unnecessary except for creating whole outfits and the dresser "log" is available wherever you are, or considering "we need to make this complex" strategies if you had 100's of plates to the point you COULD make plates of just one item if you wanted, why would you ever need the actual gear?

I'm actually asking. Cause I cannot think of a single situation where having the no-stat, appearance only item clogging up your inventory would be better than just making something else look like it in 3 or more clicks.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

I think they're trying to phase out the Armoire actually. .. IF the dresser works "better".

Hypothetically if you could use dresser glamours anywhere on any item without a plate (class/job restraints still apply) , what would be the reason to have the actual level 1 gear piece?
yes this is a big IF, and maybe this is the plan maybe not..

but If they can grow the system to that point where plates are unnecessary except for creating whole outfits and the dresser "log" is available wherever you are, or considering "we need to make this complex" strategies if you had 100's of plates to the point you COULD make plates of just one item if you wanted, why would you ever need the actual gear?

I'm actually asking. Cause I cannot think of a single situation where having the no-stat, appearance only item clogging up your inventory would be better than just making something else look like it in 3 or more clicks.

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I don't think so, the way ffxiv is the dresser will always have a limit and the armoire is linked to it already and saves items in a minimal data state as well (doesn't need to worry about durability/spirit bond/etc)
The armoire has always been there to preserve the special stuff, they're just been bad about updating it on anything but seasonal event gear
now they have a very good reason to have a guy spend an hour adding the 50 or so items that need to go in it...

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Originally Posted by Nihility

I don't think so, the way ffxiv is the dresser will always have a limit and the armoire is linked to it already and saves items in a minimal data state as well (doesn't need to worry about durability/spirit bond/etc)
The armoire has always been there to preserve the special stuff, they're just been bad about updating it on anything but seasonal event gear
now they have a very good reason to have a guy spend an hour adding the 50 or so items that need to go in it...

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Think so or not, if you had the functionality you cared about available from the dresser, why would you ever need the item back?

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Think so or not, if you had the functionality you cared about available from the dresser, why would you ever need the item back?

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as it is now, the glamour dresser functions as an extension of the armoire. Your unique stuff + 200 whatever and the plates are like a shared function

as long as the potential for lost forever is there, I would definitely care about not being able to retrieve it at will.
There really is no reason to remove the armoire anyways. Once you take away all the variables from a piece of gear (which both the armoire and glamour dresser do) it occupies the same amount of data and they're already integrated well

This is an argument for S-E's sake as well. As a game's dev and support; would you rather have unique stuff go to the armoire and be protected or get tickets all the time about "OMG I ACCIDENTALLY THREW AWAY MY HEAD BANDAGE SAVE ME S-E!!!!!"

The armoire can hold some items that have stats and aren't level 1, so I don't think it'll get lumped into the dresser.

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Originally Posted by Nihility

as it is now, the glamour dresser functions as an extension of the armoire. Your unique stuff + 200 whatever and the plates are like a shared function

as long as the potential for lost forever is there, I would definitely care about not being able to retrieve it at will.
There really is no reason to remove the armoire anyways. Once you take away all the variables from a piece of gear (which both the armoire and glamour dresser do) it occupies the same amount of data and they're already integrated well
This is an argument for S-E's sake as well. As a game's dev and support; would you rather have unique stuff go to the armoire and be protected or get tickets all the time about "OMG I ACCIDENTALLY THREW AWAY MY HEAD BANDAGE SAVE ME S-E!!!!!"

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It wouldn't be lost though. For arguments sake we'll say you'll NEVER have to empty out the dresser to make more room in this situation. You'd NEVER lose the ability to make things look LIKE the item.

If we could have a guarantee that no matter what you'd have the functionality (ability to make something look like it) available, but not the item itself anymore. Would you still hoard the item?
Nobody cries because they're going to miss the 4 def on whatever piece it is. They'd be sad because it wouldn't be available for its looks.

Here's what I'm getting at here: The system has the POTENTIAL to do this. If we can show support for what it does and ask for it to be BETTER rather than just poo-pooing the whole thing and asking for them to start over because this doesn't immediately do everything we're asking for exactly as we want it to, this might happen sooner rather than later.
However if we balk, and start to whinge about how we want the ability to take back the items and how scary it is we might lose the items and "ohhh but what about my items!" , we present the wrong message: that we care about the items. We don't. Well, from what I have heard and seen we don't. I won't presume to know everyone's mind. People might have sentimental attachments or something else as esoteric. But the majority of us (the glamouring community) care only that we can make things look like other things and that that functionality be available as freely as possible for as much stuff as possible. We don't WANT inventory clogging stuff, we want as many glamour options as possible at any given moment.
What SE might HEAR though is "please always keep the ability for us to get these items back because we care about the items themselves". I'm 99.999% sure this is NOT what the community feels.

or am I completely wrong and you all care about the actual items and want infinite inventory so you can have stuff AND glamour? (this will NEVER happen btw, not in this game and not without a complete rework of the underlying data storage and referencing)

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

The armoire can hold some items that have stats and aren't level 1, so I don't think it'll get lumped into the dresser.

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You're talking about the +% xp items and the earrings and junk with +1 str or whatever correct?

Yeah, I see those as stumbling points, but there aren't a LOT of those and I can see those being moved to other methods of replacement/storage. it's not like anyone would really miss a 1 VIT earring for it's stats. You're sub level 15 for maybe.. 3 hours? More of course if you're taking in the sights and just exploring, but stats aren't really a "thing" until you've gotten into the job at 30. Nobody failed something because of 1 stat point and by then you'd be able to buy better gear from an NPC.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

You're talking about the +% xp items and the earrings and junk with +1 str or whatever correct?

Yeah, I see those as stumbling points, but there aren't a LOT of those and I can see those being moved to other methods of replacement/storage. it's not like anyone would really miss a 1 VIT earring for it's stats. You're sub level 15 for maybe.. 3 hours? More of course if you're taking in the sights and just exploring, but stats aren't really a "thing" until you've gotten into the job at 30. Nobody failed something because of 1 stat point and by then you'd be able to buy better gear from an NPC.

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Well, I was partly thinking of Hermes Shoes, which were a bonus item in 1.0 and can't be reobtained at all but can be stored in the armoire.

There's some other level 50 stuff and achievement items I think, but I'm not sure if the calamity salvager has any of those off the top of my head.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

Well, I was partly thinking of Hermes Shoes, which were a bonus item in 1.0 and can't be reobtained at all but can be stored in the armoire.

There's some other level 50 stuff and achievement items I think, but I'm not sure if the calamity salvager has any of those off the top of my head.

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armoire also holds AF gear which is level 45/50 and a few things that are odd levels like 15 or 30. Even some level 1 stuff that is much stronger than level 1 like asuran armguards.
But the point remains, the armoire and glamour dresser are integrated and nothing is lost by having both

why does he hate the armoire so much?

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Originally Posted by Nihility

armoire also holds AF gear which is level 45/50 and a few things that are odd levels like 15 or 30. Even some level 1 stuff that is much stronger than level 1 like asuran armguards.
But the point remains, the armoire and glamour dresser are integrated and nothing is lost by having both

why does he hate the armoire so much?

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Hate? Where'd you get hate.

The problem is you seem to think the armoire cannot be done away with and I'm suggesting they seem to be moving towards a unified system, that's all. I don't "hate" any particular aspect of the glamour system or storage.
And you just seem to ignore every other part of my post.. oh well.

I see no indication that this is a step towards phasing out the Armoire, considering it was made explicitly to work in conjunction with the Armoire.

I understand the point being made, the belief that the Armoire only exists to also hold glamour-only items. But I would expect them to maintain the Armoire as a concession. The Dresser will likely never be the only way to apply glamours as long as they continue to allow players to apply them manually (no real reason to take that away if the system just works as a shortcut), so they need to retain a way for players to recover their glamour items if they choose to disregard the Dresser: by using the Armoire.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

I see no indication that this is a step towards phasing out the Armoire, considering it was made explicitly to work in conjunction with the Armoire.

I understand the point being made, the belief that the Armoire only exists to also hold glamour-only items. But I would expect them to maintain the Armoire as a concession. The Dresser will likely never be the only way to apply glamours as long as they continue to allow players to apply them manually (no real reason to take that away if the system just works as a shortcut), so they need to retain a way for players to recover their glamour items if they choose to disregard the Dresser: by using the Armoire.

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I'm apparently explaining this poorly. I don't know how else to put it though.

Why would it be necessary for people to "recover" items if the entire purpose they had them for was for appearance? If they could (Hypothetically) glamour anything they wanted, anywhere. Why would you even need the ability to "recover" an item?

Options, yo. Did you not read my entire second paragraph? I said I understand. And I also said as long as players are still allowed to glamour manually, the Armoire will continue to serve a purpose.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

Options, yo. Did you not read my entire second paragraph? I said I understand. And I also said as long as players are still allowed to glamour manually, the Armoire will continue to serve a purpose.

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like.. the option to .. take up inventory with it? Not following. Why would you want to do that? The situation I'm suggesting here would allow you to glamour individually straight from the dresser log. Why would you want to use the old system instead of you could , without prism or used inventory space, make something look the way you desired? Go back and read my earlier post. I really don't want to paraphrase that whole thing.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

I'm apparently explaining this poorly. I don't know how else to put it though.

Why would it be necessary for people to "recover" items if the entire purpose they had them for was for appearance? If they could (Hypothetically) glamour anything they wanted, anywhere. Why would you even need the ability to "recover" an item?

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your the one that seems to be ignoring things.
We all get your "what if they just all of a sudden make the glamour dresser infinite storage and infinite plates?"

even though that will never happen, the amoire does hold things of more value than glamour. The Ala Mhigan Earring is a godsend and i used the heck out of it for example
Also, the armoire works with the glamour dresser 100% why fix something that isn't broken?
and they moved towards keeping normal glamouring rather than replacing it meaning they don't want the dresser to be the sole source

All I was ever trying to get at is, even if it is just the short term. Making the things that always should have fit in the armoire actually fit in it would make people like me use the glamour dresser right now. I'm just not going to put mog station items in the dresser and i want to use them for some of my glamours so it ruins the dressers usefulness for me

If some day in the future they decide to make the dresser into an infnite armoire, that will change it in a fundamental way and warrant a conversation about doing away with the armoire.
but that day isn't today

What part of "I understand what you're proposing" isn't very clear? I personally get it. I personally see how the Dresser could replace the functionality.

But I also accept that not every player is as pleased with the system, and would prefer to retain the ability to continue using the functionality they're familiar with.

The fact is they're continuing to expand the use of the Armoire. The fact is they've stated every intention of adding more to it. The likelihood of them phasing out the Armoire seems slim, in my personal opinion. It's an option, to be sure, but not one I think they should invest in, until/unless the Dresser is more widely received.

Your argument makes sense. I simply disagree with your conclusion.

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Originally Posted by Nihility

your the one that seems to be ignoring things.
We all get your "what if they just all of a sudden make the glamour dresser infinite storage and infinite plates?"
even though that will never happen, the amoire does hold things of more value than glamour. The Ala Mhigan Earring is a godsend and i used the heck out of it for example
Also, the armoire works with the glamour dresser 100% why fix something that isn't broken?
and they moved towards keeping normal glamouring rather than replacing it meaning they don't want the dresser to be the sole source

All I was ever trying to get at is, even if it is just the short term. Making the things that always should have fit in the armoire actually fit in it would make people like me use the glamour dresser right now. I'm just not going to put mog station items in the dresser and i want to use them for some of my glamours so it ruins the dressers usefulness for me

If some day in the future they decide to make the dresser into an infnite armoire, that will change it in a fundamental way and warrant a conversation about doing away with the armoire.
but that day isn't today

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The old system is in place because god knows how many people would have lost their absolute minds if they just took that away and MADE people deal with the limitations and issues with the new system. Look at how people are reacting to just the presence of the new system.

Doing away with the armoire and it's item recoverability may be the last string to snip to give us further Dresser slots, the functionality to make things recoverable is very likely a reason they don't add new things to it's possible inventory often. Trimming off old systems to make new ones easier to implement is a good idea. I could be wrong, this could affect nothing. I'm not a dev.

I already did say actually useful items like the +% items would probably be moved to the salvager or other means if my fantasy situation became a reality.

You're well within cautious common sense not to put something you spent actual money on that is technically "irreplaceable" without spending more money in this new log since it would restrict its use.
I'm well aware of current limitations and don't expect anyone to use it if they're not comfortable with it.
The.. wow.. MANY posts I made were to ask one question: Would you approve if the system let you do EVERYTHING EXCEPT get the items back? If not.. WHY?

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

What part of "I understand what you're proposing" isn't very clear? I personally get it. I personally see how the Dresser could replace the functionality.

But I also accept that not every player is as pleased with the system, and would prefer to retain the ability to continue using the functionality they're familiar with.

The fact is they're continuing to expand the use of the Armoire. The fact is they've stated every intention of adding more to it. The likelihood of them phasing out the Armoire seems slim, in my personal opinion. It's an option, to be sure, but not one I think they should invest in, until/unless the Dresser is more widely received.

Your argument makes sense. I simply disagree with your conclusion.

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That's great! I'm all kinds of wrong about tons of things all the time.

But what's your answer? Would you be ok with a system like that? No items, but the visual elements are all available? And not "what everyone would think". YOU.. why would YOU have a problem with it?

Nope. Wouldn't be ok with that, because the Armoire also stores gear that is useful for leveling. The Armoire stores gear that can be useful to stick on a new retainer while they level.

The Armoire is not just for glamour items, and so can't/shouldn't be replaced by a system designed solely for glamours.

I'm having the same issue with my fighter's artifact gear, none of it is even showing as a option to move into glamour chest, it's not equipped.

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Originally Posted by TreeHouse

I'm having the same issue with my fighter's artifact gear, none of it is even showing as a option to move into glamour chest, it's not equipped.

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The game could handle this information better, but.. lv50 AF? Can go in armoire. If it's augmented dyeable version, that can go in dresser. Can also infinitely repurchase lv50 and lv70 AF sets from calamity salvager so won't really need to store them anywhere.

I was wondering, did they state taht at some point in time youd be able to glamour whatever armor to whatever class, or will it be "Role Locked".

Cause unless Im missing something, You cant glamour a chest piece from lets say Dark Knight, and have it on a Dragoon, or vice versa. But it appears you can glamour between teh Tanks. Which is useless IMO cause most end game gear is already wearable by most classes within that role, so its not really 'Cross Class'.

Is there an in-depth guide how to use the glamour dresser anywhere?

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Think so or not, if you had the functionality you cared about available from the dresser, why would you ever need the item back?

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You cannot apply Glamours from the Dresser to your Retainers, can you? You can apply a Glamour to gear, then give it to them, but can you apply anything from the Dresser to them?

I just took the time to greate the i55 crafter green gear, all 8 sets. I use the i320/i290 all-class stuff. I equip my Weaver, and apply the plate. I switch to Leatherworker, and the gear look goes back to the default.

The only way to apply a look to your Retainers is the old way, and that means actually having the item on hand to apply it.

And .. what makes the Dresser suck for crafters is ... though the Weaver gear is saved with that look, the moment I use another plate (say, the Leatherworker plate on my LTW) because the gear is shared, it overwrites the fact that the weaver glamour plate was used, and Weaver gear goes back to looking like the old i320/290.

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

I was wondering, did they state taht at some point in time youd be able to glamour whatever armor to whatever class, or will it be "Role Locked".

Cause unless Im missing something, You cant glamour a chest piece from lets say Dark Knight, and have it on a Dragoon, or vice versa. But it appears you can glamour between teh Tanks. Which is useless IMO cause most end game gear is already wearable by most classes within that role, so its not really 'Cross Class'.

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I don’t know if they ever said they were going to release the restrictions, but definitely not in relation to the dresser.

Ultimately applying a glamour from a plate is the same end result as glamouring it with a prism, and the same restrictions apply. You can glamour any appearance onto your gear but it will only look that way if you can equip the glamoured item.

If you glamour your tank gear with dark-knight-specific armour, it will still only show up when your class is set to dark knight. You’ll need a different plate for your paladin and/or warrior, and at this point, will have to manually apply the relevant plate when you switch jobs. (Or change via text input/macro - I forget the exact code.)

It’s still not totally practical for this purpose at this point, but it does make it much more possible than just with prisms.

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

You cannot apply Glamours from the Dresser to your Retainers, can you? You can apply a Glamour to gear, then give it to them, but can you apply anything from the Dresser to them?

I just took the time to greate the i55 crafter green gear, all 8 sets. I use the i320/i290 all-class stuff. I equip my Weaver, and apply the plate. I switch to Leatherworker, and the gear look goes back to the default.

The only way to apply a look to your Retainers is the old way, and that means actually having the item on hand to apply it.

And .. what makes the Dresser suck for crafters is ... though the Weaver gear is saved with that look, the moment I use another plate (say, the Leatherworker plate on my LTW) because the gear is shared, it overwrites the fact that the weaver glamour plate was used, and Weaver gear goes back to looking like the old i320/290.

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woah.. Hello old thread!

No you cannot glamour directly to retainers, but I don't see the workaround as any more difficult than the old way of glamouring each piece individually. Now you can remove it all, wear it, use the plate, put it back on your retainer. There is no way to apply things directly from the dresser to ANYTHING other than plates yet, though they've said they're working on that

Plates apply glamours permanently like the old system used to, it does not disappear if you change class. I have no idea how you're managing to remove glamours by switching class but not gear, people have actually been looking for a way to do this.

I don't think that only sucks for crafters, that sucks for everyone that uses shared gear, but since you CAN macro a gearchange AND a plate change just create this macro:
/gearset change 1 2

this will change to gear set 1 and apply glamour plate 2.

My opinion the old way of doing glamour was better....