Dungeon Loot

I totally understand why the system of one piece at the end doesn't work for level cap. But is there any way to make the final boss drop two chests? Or guarantee that those chest have a piece for at least the jobs playing?

I know the devs are obsessed with RNG. That's obvious. But it gets really frustrating and not fun. Ive run the new dungeon every day since it came out. Im on 32 runs and have yet to see the healer top drop. It might be a little bit of me acting like a baby but its so frustrating to just keep doing it with no guarantee idk. Maybe its just me

im farming for that healer drop too!! XD Its terrible. I hate the one chest per boss thing and the getting loot for jobs that aren't even in the run. its a total bummer. I'm right there with ya! Damn RNG

This has been a thing for mmos since the beginning. And if they changed it so that it's only loot for the jobs playing nobody would be able to gear an alt job while not playing the alt job. That means your overgeared tank that came along to help you with an off chance to get some gear for their dps class will instead want to play their dps class leaving you without a tank still...

Healer top only drops from the last boss too, so your chance is 1 in 14 or roughly 7% chance that it will drop. I spent forever grinding Arboretum for the Plague Bringer coat, now grinding Castrum Abania for the RDM weapon. The struggle is real lol. But you'll get it eventually.

everything not 100% is rng. if everything is one and done people would not run content often.

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Originally Posted by DeaconMoore

This has been a thing for mmos since the beginning. And if they changed it so that it's only loot for the jobs playing nobody would be able to gear an alt job while not playing the alt job. That means your overgeared tank that came along to help you with an off chance to get some gear for their dps class will instead want to play their dps class leaving you without a tank still...

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Oh no, I can't gear my alt jobs while on another job, whatever will I d-oh right I'll run it on the job I want to gear lol??

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Originally Posted by NolLacnala

Oh no, I can't gear my alt jobs while on another job, whatever will I d-oh right I'll run it on the job I want to gear lol??

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Correct. Do keep laughing while you enjoy the longer ques as the tanks and healers are forced to run dps instead :)

FF has multiple avenues for gear. If rng isn't your friend you got currency or crafted gear to fall back on.

However if you want something specific for glamming, well that's a different story.

Farming the final boss can be crap. One way I do it is to tick the In Progress box and hope that it sticks me in a run closer to the end. Any skipping bit helps shorten the torture.

Eh. You can dye it, which is unusual enough for a dungeon-exclusive set, and that gives me extra motivaton to run it until I got the pieces I want.

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Originally Posted by DeaconMoore

Correct. Do keep laughing while you enjoy the longer ques as the tanks and healers are forced to run dps instead :)

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You're preaching to the choir. I was a DPS caster main until SB, and switched to yolomain after foreseeing the DPSqueuepocalypse. All dungeons, not just leveling dungeons, should have a guaranteed drop for your current job for clearing. Whining about queues while queueing as DPS is like shooting yourself in the foot and then complaining that it hurts.

There's something I don't understand here. You said you ran the dgn at least 32 times, right? The newest dgn have guaranteed loot-at least body wise-so shouldn't you have all the healer pieces by at least the 8th or 9th run if you joined as a healer?

most mmos run 3-4 armor types that people roll over, this one has 7... More loot should drop simply because there is far less chance in this game of getting the one for you. Its painful running the oldest alliance raids for glamour with 1 chest per boss...

Which dungeon is being farmed? Was it even mentioned?

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

There's something I don't understand here. You said you ran the dgn at least 32 times, right? The newest dgn have guaranteed loot-at least body wise-so shouldn't you have all the healer pieces by at least the 8th or 9th run if you joined as a healer?

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Nope the new dungeon have NOT guaranteed loot... At first, I thought so too but it's not the case (maybe a bug?). I ran it almost 30 time too for my bard body and never saw it... (oh and don't mention the 5 others chests with crap instead of jewelry in it 90% of the runs)

I understand your plight OP, I've ran this dungeon constantly since patch day, seen the caster chest drop once in all my runs, and I roll a 1... against another caster who rolled a 98.

Back to the grinding wheel... :rolleyes:

I've been doing the new dungeon all week trying to get the caster chest piece. The one time it dropped, the other caster got it.

20+ minute queue and then a 20+ minute dungeon run just for a 7% chance to get a specific gear is so ridiculous.

It's a dumb system as is, don't understand why the guaranteed loot isn't applied to these dungeons aswell, the gear is catch up gear aswell, guess people at 70 don't deserve help like the ones levelling? And then you got all chests and legs crammed into ONE chest.. Taking me longer to get this tank chest than it took to prog o4s, seems about right.

i ran skalla 50 times for the fending chest to drop. Healer Chest drop like 6 times><

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Originally Posted by LawAbidingPoster

It's a dumb system as is, don't understand why the guaranteed loot isn't applied to these dungeons aswell, the gear is catch up gear aswell, guess people at 70 don't deserve help like the ones levelling? And then you got all chests and legs crammed into ONE chest.. Taking me longer to get this tank chest than it took to prog o4s, seems about right.

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What dungeons have guaranteed loot? I don't think I have ever ran a dungeon and always had something drop I can need out of it aside from crafting reagents that everyone can need on.

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Originally Posted by DeaconMoore

What dungeons have guaranteed loot? I don't think I have ever ran a dungeon and always had something drop I can need out of it aside from crafting reagents that everyone can need on.

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"When completing a level 51 to 59 dungeon or a level 61 to 69 dungeon, players will always receive one piece of gear equippable by their current class or job. Players will not receive gear that is already in their inventory."

That is from patch 4.0 notes, I wish they would have included max level dungeons to it as well. I'd love to have new glamour items from new expert dungeon, but knowing my luck..

"I can't believe there's a possibility of me having to grind for something instead of having it handed to me after one whole dungeon run!"

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

"I can't believe there's a possibility of me having to grind for something instead of having it handed to me after one whole dungeon run!"

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except with 7 armor types and one drop per chest, you could *easily* run 5 times and maybe see one piece. People aren't asking for a complete set in one go, they are asking for something less painfully rng reliant on a very low chance. Add in the fact that chests and pants often rolling out of the same box, the chance of seeing what you want gets very very low.

If this is a big problem for you guys good luck getting glams in aliance raids... 5 dps....nin, mnk,sam share gear in arr... smn, rdm, blm share gear.... the odds of getting your desired drop are very low.... but isn't that the point of glam farming ?

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

"I can't believe there's a possibility of me having to grind for something instead of having it handed to me after one whole dungeon run!"

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Try 60 runs and counting.

While in-game, System>Support Desk>Contact Us>Leave a Suggestion

"Please extend the dungeon guaranteed item drop to all dungeons"

The less RNG in this game, the better

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Originally Posted by LawAbidingPoster

Try 60 runs and counting.

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Yes that's what grinding is.

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Originally Posted by MrSmiley

except with 7 armor types and one drop per chest, you could *easily* run 5 times and maybe see one piece. People aren't asking for a complete set in one go, they are asking for something less painfully rng reliant on a very low chance. Add in the fact that chests and pants often rolling out of the same box, the chance of seeing what you want gets very very low.

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What do you think grinding is? And if that's what a low rng chance is to you i cant wait to hear what you think of savage and extreme drops.

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

What do you think grinding is? And if that's what a low rng chance is to you i cant wait to hear what you think of savage and extreme drops.

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You mean the ones that drop datalogs so we can eventually get a piece? Or extremes that also give tokens that can even be used to eventually by the mounts? Those are also completed much faster. I am still missing the gloves of light from the crystal tower, I have played since the game began. That's terrible. I know what rng is, this game does it good in some places, and very bad in others. 2.0 raids and cap dungeons are doing it bad, way too many items in the pool for a single drop, even the 3.0 raids can take a long time to grind out with 2 drops per boss.

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Originally Posted by MrSmiley

You mean the ones that drop datalogs so we can eventually get a piece? Or extremes that also give tokens that can even be used to eventually by the mounts? Those are also completed much faster. I am still missing the gloves of light from the crystal tower, I have played since the game began. That's terrible. I know what rng is, this game does it good in some places, and very bad in others. 2.0 raids and cap dungeons are doing it bad, way too many items in the pool for a single drop, even the 3.0 raids can take a long time to grind out with 2 drops per boss.

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Clearly you dont remember Coils which never had tokens and still had a weekly lockout. Clearly you dont know much about crafting mats from EX primals.

You have to grind for your gear and there is no arbitrary number restriction that prevents you from doing the dungeon over again. All this is, is whining about having to do the dungeon multiple times to get your glamour gear.

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

Clearly you dont remember Coils which never had tokens and still had a weekly lockout. Clearly you dont know much about crafting mats from EX primals.

You have to grind for your gear and there is no arbitrary number restriction that prevents you from doing the dungeon over again. All this is, is whining about having to do the dungeon multiple times to get your glamour gear.

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Clearly you haven't realized they moved away from those forms of rng because they were terrible, which is why every newer version has attempted to have more drops or a failsafe "eventually get it" type of thing. Clearly you forgot the primal crafted stuff can be sold, even if at a high price, making it accessible with more than luck.


Old raids was my example of what was bad, then we have the current dungeons which for some reason have not evolved with everything else. The last chest in skallis has 14 different items, only one of which will drop. That is a 7% chance to see the desired drop, in a dungeon that is at least 20 minutes, then add queue time, especially for dps. This is also not high-end super special stuff, its just regular glamour. I don't know why you are fighting for one of the last "bad" drop systems in the game so hard. Nobody's asking to get everything in a single run or anything silly like that, just a better system to make dungeon glamour (which dps suffer the most from) somewhat more accessible.

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Originally Posted by MrSmiley

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I'm not really a fan of things made easier to obtain for no reason. Nor am I a fan of threads essentially asking to give people reasons to unsub sooner, which as you might imagine would lead to a dying game. I could find a million threads asking for the savage lockout to be removed or the tome cap removed or just content to be made easier in general.

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

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While I do agree with everything you just said, I also feel it does not apply to dungeon loot, which is a very casual part of the game. Looking at the current savage datalog system, it takes at least a month to get your guaranteed piece, which is just enough to fill out a set or make sure you actually get a few pieces during the raids main lifetime. The current dungeon loot system as it is, makes it extremely difficult for dps to get glamour they like, given long queues and low drops, even with no kind of lockout (and possibly competition). Its no wonder they are upset. I don't think some kind of dungeon loot adjustment would be without reason.

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

I'm not really a fan of things made easier to obtain for no reason. Nor am I a fan of threads essentially asking to give people reasons to unsub sooner, which as you might imagine would lead to a dying game.

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How about fun? Grinding a dungeon dozens of time is not fun. If anything, that would make me unsub sooner. All this is doing is making me burn out quicker.

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Originally Posted by Yatsurugi

How about fun? Grinding a dungeon dozens of time is not fun. If anything, that would make me unsub sooner.

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Then why are you doing it?

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

Then why are you doing it?

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Why ask a question you already know the answer to? For the reward at the end.

Why do people grind MGP? Is it because they like the gold saucer mini games? No, not necessarily. They want the rewards you can buy with them. The difference is that the grind there is guaranteed to get you something and is less monotonous. While grinding dungeons, is the opposite.

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Originally Posted by Yatsurugi

Why ask a question you already know the answer to? For the reward at the end.

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So the thing that makes it fun for you is chasing the reward but you dont want to actually chase the reward?

I'd link you to the mogstation but im on mobile and honestly don't feel like going through the effort to sass you that hard. Maybe later.

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

So the thing that makes it fun for you is chasing the reward but you dont want to actually chase the reward?

I'd link you to the mogstation but im on mobile and honestly don't feel like going through the effort to sass you that hard. Maybe later.

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Maybe if I could actually eventually get the reward yeah. There's a chance of never getting the reward I'm chasing for. That's not exactly good design.
Everything else has a failsafe so you can eventually get the reward with enough effort. 99 totems for extreme primal mounts, savage books, tomes, and so on.

Not sure why you're defending this so hard when it's obvious improvements can be made. Just even adding another gear piece at the end like others have mentioned.

FFXIV isn't one of those Korean free to play MMOs that need to keep their players by locking stuff behind ridiculous grinds that can potentially never yield the reward they're looking for.

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Originally Posted by Yatsurugi

Maybe if I could actually eventually get the reward yeah. There's a chance of never getting the reward I'm chasing for. That's not exactly good design.
Everything else has a failsafe so you can eventually get the reward with enough effort. 99 totems for extreme primal mounts, savage books, tomes, and so on.

Not sure why you're defending this so hard when it's obvious improvements can be made. Just even adding another gear piece at the end like others have mentioned.

FFXIV isn't one of those Korean free to play MMOs that need to keep their players by locking stuff behind ridiculous grinds that can potentially never yield the reward they're looking for.

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Nightmare, the ponies, 24man loot and gear all say "hi" primal dogs til at least 4.2 or 4.3 as well.

We were talking about loots IN DUNGEONS, not in raids, not in Bahamut, not in Primal EX... IN DUNGEONS. Don't compare mounts, tokens for weapons or else with the dungeons loots. We had this in all 61-69 dungeons so we should have one random guaranteed loot in those Lv 70 dungeons as well. It's ok to farm for weapons, for mounts, for tokens. It's not to have no guaranteed loots in dungeons now that we have even more jobs than before and still ONE CHEST AT EACH BOSS.