What do you think of this? (Making seasonal events not sellable on MB)

I'm curious to know the community's opinion of this recent change. It used to be in the beginning of 2.0, seasonal event stuff was sellable on the MB. I joined after the first Christmas holiday (I forget what they call it, star-something) when the dream items could easily be bought/traded/sold and the barding as well.

Even the past All Saints Wake wallpaper, pumpkin items and such could be put on the MB (before SE made them available on the cash shop). I know because I kept some from last year just in case they did this.

With these recent events though, none of the new items can be put on the MB at all. So either you were there for it, or tough luck go to the cash shop. I'm all for giving my fellow players an alternative to spending cash. I held onto that stuff for a year and didn't sell it for some ridiculously high price.

Since these things in houses will be destroyed anyway when they are taken down (unless the MB ones are different and don't get destroyed), why not let us sell them on the MB?

Probably because of their eventual demise to be added into the cash shop.

As far as I know, the only seasonal items that were ever MB-able were relics from 1.0, and then because they were crafted and I presume they didn't want people to have to level a craft to have a Santa hat. Stuff like the pumpkin head and such was never sellable, not sure what items you're referring to.

I wager the basic idea is that it would be a sort of RMT - you could buy stuff out of the cash shop and then sell it on the MB for big buck. Or rather, I wager that is the excuse. The most likely actual reason is: So people who want it have to shell out real money.

Sounds dumb, is dumb, but so is the fact of having the gear of recurring events not recur along with the event in the first place - that, too, used to be different IIRC.

Past event gear is about the only thing I'm okay with going on the cash shop. I earned those rare items because I was at the event when it happened, and making those items readily available in-game to new players would diminish their value to me. That said, I certainly sympathize with new players who see these items and are upset that they can never have them, and them being able to get them on the cash shop is a happy medium. The items are still of value to me, because I earned them for free in-game when they were available, but the people who missed it are still able to buy them if they really want them.

What is not acceptable is putting event furnishings on the Mog Station. With the gear, I can store them year-round in my Armoire, or rebuy them from the Calamity Salavager. I earned those items, they are mine forever, and they don't waste inventory. This is not true for furnishings, which will permanently take up an inventory slot and have no way to be re-bought. As if this weren't bad enough, fixtures are destroyed when you pick them up, and so your only choice if you don't want to have a Halloween wallpaper up for all of eternity is to buy new ones off the Mog Station, or buy the limited originals for ever increasing amounts gil until they're all gone. This is a horrid system and needs to be fixed immediately.

I do not like how gear is gated behind time sensitive things and you're unable to get it after the fact, nor do I like them being added to the cash shop. Having them be purchasable on the market board would be much better IMO - way to incentivize people to continue doing the event after they got their stuff too.

I remember for a little bit at the beginning of ARR there was a vendor for events like Moonfire and Heavensturn who would sell last year's items for gil. I don't see why that can't be a thing, beyond the want for cash shop revenue from past event items.

That said, Kaurie's post hits it exactly, because once you have the seasonal items there's little incentive to keep doing the event in question.

Mostly housing items, things like the pumpkin desks and chairs from last year's All Saint festival
The Heavensturn items, Starlight Sentinel trees and things like that.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

I do not like how gear is gated behind time sensitive things and you're unable to get it after the fact, nor do I like them being added to the cash shop. Having them be purchasable on the market board would be much better IMO - way to incentivize people to continue doing the event after they got their stuff too.

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If you don't mind being overcharged for something you'll just store away, sure.

Yeah, those cherry trees kept a friend of mine in the money for a long time. She had the foresight to farm about ten of them, and then dribbled them out on the market board six months later at around 4 million gil each.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

If you don't mind being overcharged for something you'll just store away, sure.

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Confused what you mean here?

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Originally Posted by Zojha

I wager the basic idea is that it would be a sort of RMT - you could buy stuff out of the cash shop and then sell it on the MB for big buck.

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Sweet Dream set - cash shop - not tradeable
Dream set - 1.0 seasonal crafted gear - tradeable

What SE can do to make future seasonal gear tradeable? Give out mats as rewards and recipe books in the seasonal NPC shop.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Sweet Dream set - cash shop - not tradeable
Dream set - 1.0 seasonal crafted gear - tradeable

What SE can do to make future seasonal gear tradeable? Give out mats as rewards and recipe books in the seasonal NPC shop.

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Personally, I would've rather SE added a chest in WT that had a really low chance to give a CS item that's tradeable, but that will never happen.

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Originally Posted by SessionZero

I remember for a little bit at the beginning of ARR there was a vendor for events like Moonfire and Heavensturn who would sell last year's items for gil. I don't see why that can't be a thing, beyond the want for cash shop revenue from past event items.

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Yup. That's how it worked for the first two Moonfire Faires. Swimsuits were all available on the vendor, including the previous years'.

Then SE decided to double-dip with the cash shop.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Yup. That's how it worked for the first two Moonfire Faires. Swimsuits were all available on the vendor, including the previous years'.

Then SE decided to double-dip with the cash shop.

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They still sell the items you get during seasonal events, at least the Quest rewards, but only for the ones you got anyway. So you can't just buy event gear for events you never did. That was always a cash shop only thing.

I dont mind the not-sellable part that much... however the not-being-able-to-trade part is annoying... I store stuff like large amounts of fireworks and housing items on an alt to bring them out when I need them. Cant do that this time :(

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Yup. That's how it worked for the first two Moonfire Faires. Swimsuits were all available on the vendor, including the previous years'.

Then SE decided to double-dip with the cash shop.

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It's not double-dipping; the reason they offered those items from a vendor is because they were old 1.0 items, and the devs realized it would be unfair to expect people to have obtained them with all the issues and reputation 1.0 had. Once they moved onto ARR events though, everyone is considered to have had a "fair" chance to obtain it legitimately, so if you missed out, you missed out.

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Originally Posted by Emstidor

It's not double-dipping; the reason they offered those items from a vendor is because they were old 1.0 items, and the devs realized it would be unfair to expect people to have obtained them with all the issues and reputation 1.0 had. Once they moved onto ARR events though, everyone is considered to have had a "fair" chance to obtain it legitimately, so if you missed out, you missed out.

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Not true. Not all the swimsuits were in 1.0. The striped and summer morning ones were new for the first moonfire event (2013) during ARR. Then on the next year for the 2014 moonfaire there was a vendor that sold the 2013 ARR swimsuits.

Yeah, but Moonfire 2013 was literally the first event of ARR, so it still doesn't change my point too much. SE gave people a "window" of several months after ARR during which you could come back and still not miss anything exclusive. Once ARR was established, any events after that window gave items that wouldn't be reobtainable.

Guys you're going off-topic, this is not about gear, if you want to talk about old outfits pick up one of the many threads about it, this is something new that started happening around 2 seasonal events ago.

Until the event Make it Rain all seasonal event earned furniture could be sold in the marketboard a few weeks after seasonal events ended, after Make it Rain they suddenly decided to not make new event furniture sellable, without informing the community, we got a feature taken away from us with absolutely no previous warnings, this coincides with them starting to sell furniture in the cash shop. This is not okay.

For anyone thinking they did this so people wouldn't sell the newly introduced cash shop versions in the market, the cash shop versions aren't sellable by default, so there was no reason to restrict players from selling earned furniture other than wanting to make an extra buck with the cash shop and remove people the option to buy things in-game.

Either they should keep making event furniture sellable in the marketboad, or if they want to give it the outfit treatment then anyone who completed the events should be able to buy untradeable versions of every seasonal furniture from the calamity salvager, just like we can buy outfits.

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Originally Posted by Rakiria

They still sell the items you get during seasonal events, at least the Quest rewards, but only for the ones you got anyway. So you can't just buy event gear for events you never did. That was always a cash shop only thing.

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No. For the first year and a half, old holiday reward items were on a vendor accessible by everyone (even those who were not present for the last one).

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Originally Posted by Ariane

Not true. Not all the swimsuits were in 1.0. The striped and summer morning ones were new for the first moonfire event (2013) during ARR. Then on the next year for the 2014 moonfaire there was a vendor that sold the 2013 ARR swimsuits.

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Yup, precisely.

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Originally Posted by Emstidor

Yeah, but Moonfire 2013 was literally the first event of ARR, so it still doesn't change my point too much. SE gave people a "window" of several months after ARR during which you could come back and still not miss anything exclusive. Once ARR was established, any events after that window gave items that wouldn't be reobtainable.

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It counters your point so of course you dismiss this. xD

@Alimdia: I agree that selling furniture on the store and making the event furniture in-game not tradeable is a really crappy tactic and not okay.

How much does it really cost for SE to include past seasonal items in game at a special not vendor...why should the items go to the cash shop...??? Money grab??? Kinda really sucks because it's no different than RMT.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

Guys you're going off-topic, this is not about gear, if you want to talk about old outfits pick up one of the many threads about it, this is something new that started happening around 2 seasonal events ago.

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But the original topic said "seasonal event stuff", and did not specify it excluded outfits.

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Originally Posted by Stormfur

I'm curious to know the community's opinion of this recent change. It used to be in the beginning of 2.0, seasonal event stuff was sellable on the MB. I joined after the first Christmas holiday (I forget what they call it, star-something) when the dream items could easily be bought/traded/sold and the barding as well.

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Honestly, I just think that all seasonal event stuff (everything, including outfits) should be obtainable on the Market Board if someone posts it to sale. All items (including furniture) should be purchasable for gil from the Calamity Salvager if you did the content.

Then if you did the content, you could just buy the item for gil and sell on the marketboard. Those who took part get some gil, those who missed it can still enjoy the items.

All this exclusivity is pretty annoying TBH, and not something I'd expect from a game that markets itself as accessible.

It becomes even worse, in my opinion, when the items are posted on the cash shop - it's now not only not accessible, but it's also emulating a F2P game. If I wanted a F2P game, I wouldn't be paying $15 per month.