magic charge bar: Is this a glitch or is this really necessary?

I started my THM/CNJ back up for the first time since 1.19 release (been playing MRD) and i havent seen any answers to my question posted yet.

* Is it a glitch or is it really necessary for my THM/CNJ to wait until his hand is back down to his thigh to cast my next spell instead of at the end of the charge?

if it was designed like this on purpose then why not have the charge bar finish charging when your hand is at your thigh?

What with the subtarget system and having to constantly press enter to confirm all of my spells its getting extremely tedious and figuratively speaking... deadly.
Having to pay attention to my hand position in order to cast my next spell is getting extremely annoying.

BTW i have a 2 thousand dollar computer and T1 internet. no the problem is not mine.

its not a g,litch its poor decision making imo what was wrong with the previous casting system

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Originally Posted by smokymcweed

its not a g,litch its poor decision making imo what was wrong with the previous casting system

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well a Que system negates your ability to act on split second decision making because that qued ability will activate when you all of a sudden need something else at that moment.

My issue is not being able to cast your next spell once the charge bar is finished charging.
after the charge bar is finished charging you then have to wait again and time it just right to cast your next spell or nothing will happen and its making me loose any patience i have left in wanting to cast any spells at all. Im not so sure im excited for the mage overhauld because of this one feature.

This is literally the only MMO in existance that does this.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

I started my THM/CNJ back up for the first time since 1.19 release (been playing MRD) and i havent seen any answers to my question posted yet.

* Is it a glitch or is it really necessary for my THM/CNJ to wait until his hand is back down to his thigh to cast my next spell instead of at the end of the charge?

if it was designed like this on purpose then why not have the charge bar finish charging when your hand is at your thigh?

What with the subtarget system and having to constantly press enter to confirm all of my spells its getting extremely tedious and figuratively speaking... deadly.
Having to pay attention to my hand position in order to cast my next spell is getting extremely annoying.

BTW i have a 2 thousand dollar computer and T1 internet. no the problem is not mine.

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It's called waiting for the animation to finish. AFAIK they're changing it at some point, but I understand the thought process behind it. They want the abilities to look as fluid as possible and not get stopped short by the next one. The problem is the animations are longer than in other mmos.

Also, nice fail at trying to brag.

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Originally Posted by ispano

It's called waiting for the animation to finish. AFAIK they're changing it at some point, but I understand the thought process behind it. They want the abilities to look as fluid as possible and not get stopped short by the next one. The problem is the animations are longer than in other mmos.

Also, nice fail at trying to brag.

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brag? did i list which computer i have and the components in them? did i say i was the only one with an expensive computer?
i posted that because the #1 response is "its your computer/internet"

"its called waiting for the animation to finish" hahaha the animation is a wave of the hand and would not look any less fluid if you brought your hand directly back to your face and started your next spell. is it so unrealistic to be able to start your next spell when your hand finished its wave?

if they want the animations to be fluid then program it so they fluidly bring their hand back to their face,.... not to your hip.

The dev team thought it would be a good idea to make the combat system feel even laggier than it felt previously.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

brag? did i list which computer i have and the components in them? did i say i was the only one with an expensive computer?
i posted that because the #1 response is "its your computer/internet"

"its called waiting for the animation to finish" hahaha the animation is a wave of the hand and would not look any less fluid if you brought your hand directly back to your face and started your next spell. is it so unrealistic to be able to start your next spell when your hand finished its wave?

if they want the animations to be fluid then program it so they fluidly bring their hand back to their face,.... not to your hip.

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Yes, brag. You could have said that you already tested the issue and found it to not be hardware related. You instead mentioned the price of said computer, which is easily construed as bragging. Same for the T1 comment. A T1 isn't all that fast, reliable for sure, but also not common among gamers. So yes, bragging.

What if your next action wasn't a spell? You finish the animation and return to your stance. Also some games are not designed with combat as a heavy primary factor. In those you tend not to have fancy animations as much. WoW is a good example of a more combat focused mmorpg. You can cancel a spell at just about any time, the animations are simple and can be interrupted easily. It's just not as important as more fluid combat.

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Originally Posted by ellohwell

The dev team thought it would be a good idea to make the combat system feel even laggier than it felt previously.

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The devs mentioned shortening the animations but i wonder if that will allow you to bring your hand right back to your face instead of just back to your hip quicker.

Honestly what you should be asking for is for the animation to play during the last part of the casting rather than after it. You still get the animation, and can also start casting after the timer finishes.

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Originally Posted by ispano

Honestly what you should be asking for is for the animation to play during the last part of the casting rather than after it. You still get the animation, and can also start casting after the timer finishes.

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the way i pictured what you wrote is exactly what im suggesting.
my buffs are prot, shell, stygian spikes and SS-
if the animation schedule lock was limited to the completion of the charge timer then it would be one solid fluid animation of bringing your hand to your face to charge, wave the hand, and then bring right back to your face allowing one to cast their buffs in a non fail proof succession.
currently the animation schedule lock seems to be limited to what we currently have forcing us to near blindly have to time in order to cast anything in succession.

regardless of how they do it it is not necessary for my character to put his hand back to his side before i can cast my next spell. near blind timing sucks.

this is my theory as myself and mooshywooshy from FFXI hacked and modified animations in FFXI all the time.
not saying FFXIV is the same which is why im wondering whats actually going on behind the scenes on this issue.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

the way i pictured what you wrote is exactly what im suggesting.
my buffs are prot, shell, stygian spikes and SS-
if the animation schedule lock was limited to the completion of the charge timer then it would be one solid fluid animation of bringing your hand to your face to charge, wave the hand, and then bring right back to your face allowing one to cast their buffs in a non fail proof succession.

regardless of how they do it it is not necessary for my character to put his hand back to his side before i can cast my next spell. near blind timing sucks.

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No, it's not the same. With what I stated, the arm would still return to its resting spot at the end of the animation, except the timing is different in that at that point is when the cast bar finishes, rather than starting the animation at that point. You wanting it to return to your face makes the assumption that you will ALWAYS be casting something right after, while the assumption now is that you may not, so you return to your combat stance.

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No, it's not the same. With what I stated, the arm would still return to its resting spot at the end of the animation, except the timing is different in that at that point is when the cast bar finishes, rather than starting the animation at that point. You wanting it to return to your face makes the assumption that you will ALWAYS be casting something right after, while the assumption now is that you may not, so you return to your combat stance.

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this was in my OP

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if it was designed like this on purpose then why not have the charge bar finish charging when your hand is at your thigh?

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if they follow my suggestion then the animation would still allow your hand to go back to your side when your done with your succession of spells.
i believe the game should assume that you will be casting spells in succession because
*realistically you would not be putting your hand back at your side after every.single.spell.
*i think its right to assume that the devs assume that no one uses only one buff at a time and that buffs are most commonly casted before any real danger IE. battles or dangerous agro zones.
*mid battle casting succession would look more like your character is actually fretting to win and is worried about killing it before it kills you.
it currently gives me the feeling that my character is non chalant about his own casting survivability.

it really looks to me like hes thinking "meh, i got time, i dont need to cast this next one right away.

i believe the game should assume that once one spell is casted, there most likely will be another spell casted immediately afterward, and if there isnt a spell casted right afterward then your hand can go back down to your side.

... I don't know what you're talking about. It took me all of 10 minutes to get used to the new system, which is much more similar to FFXI's and has been in effect for a long time. Time your spells and it's perfectly fluid. I liked the queue system, but I honestly don't care too much.

I would love a universal "cancel spell" button, though, since I can't cancel macroed spells in the same fashion as Action Bar spells (or at all, really). And I really don't want to wait until jump is implemented for this.

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Originally Posted by Answa

... I don't know what you're talking about. It took me all of 10 minutes to get used to the new system, which is much more similar to FFXI's and has been in effect for a long time. Time your spells and it's perfectly fluid. I liked the queue system, but I honestly don't care too much.

I would love a universal "cancel spell" button, though, since I can't cancel macroed spells in the same fashion as Action Bar spells (or at all, really). And I really don't want to wait until jump is implemented for this.

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my point is that you shouldnt have to time anything. just visually watch your charge bar and when its finished you cast your next spell.
its magic 101 in every other video game i know of.
this systems timing is near blind because it doesnt make entire use of the charge bar like it should. it renders it partially useless.

oh and no it isnt closer to FFXI casting system because i played an endgame healer for almost five years and i never once had to wait for my hands to return to idle mode in order cast spells in succession.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

my point is that you shouldnt have to time anything. just visually watch your charge bar and when its finished you cast your next spell.
its magic 101 in every other video game i know of.
this systems timing is near blind because it doesnt make entire use of the charge bar like it should. it renders it partially useless.

oh and no it isnt closer to FFXI casting system because i played an endgame healer for almost five years and i never once had to wait for my hands to return to idle mode in order cast spells in succession.

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You had to wait for a visual cue, the same as here. I played SMN for 7~8 years on FFXI, as well as SCH, BLU, etc. So don't give me that.

I never look at charge bars, because that's ridiculous. You get used to the timing, the rhythm, and that's it.

If you're not capable of this, well... tough luck?

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Originally Posted by Answa

You had to wait for a visual cue, the same as here. I played SMN for 7~8 years on FFXI, as well as SCH, BLU, etc. So don't give me that.

I never look at charge bars, because that's ridiculous. You get used to the timing, the rhythm, and that's it.

If you're not capable of this, well... tough luck?

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i can very well give you that bull because your half wrong.
your totally right you can just get the feel of when to cast, however, UNLIKE FFXIV, FFXI did not stop you from casting your next spell prior to the completion of your first casting animation allowing you to do things quicker on the fly and made more visual sense.
its the opposite here.
i am able to time it. however its more tedious than FFXIV.

what was your visual que?
mine was the very second my hand went up in the air (white magic) once i casted my spell. which matched the charge bar

how can you logically argue against this at this point? if you want to compare it to FFXI then there you have it. the casting was more fluid and less tedious in FFXI

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

what was your visual que?
mine was the very second my hand went up in the air once i casted my spell. which matched the charge bar

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For black magic, as soon as the three orbs of light touched at the end of the spell. White magic I'm not sure how to explain. I think it's safe to say simply as soon as the cure recast timer was back on for cure spam and macro-mashing until it went off.

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your totally right you can just get the feel of when to cast, however, UNLIKE FFXIV, FFXI did not stop you from casting your next spell prior to the completion of your first casting animation allowing you to do things quicker on the fly and made more visual sense.

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I don't understand your usage of "stop" in this statement. Do you mean disallows? Or do you actually start casting and then it stops? If it's the latter, you're cancelling your spell by hitting it twice. If it's the former, then, as I said, get a feel for it. I'm a CNJ and I heal all the time and I have no problem with the fluidity of my casting.

I don't get your claims of logic when, as it stands, I speak from personal experience on something that is simply nice and fluid for me.

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Originally Posted by Answa

For black magic, as soon as the three orbs of light touched at the end of the spell. White magic I'm not sure how to explain. I think it's safe to say simply as soon as the cure recast timer was back on for cure spam and macro-mashing until it went off.
I don't understand your usage of "stop" in this statement. Do you mean disallows? Or do you actually start casting and then it stops? If it's the latter, you're cancelling your spell by hitting it twice. If it's the former, then, as I said, get a feel for it. I'm a CNJ and I heal all the time and I have no problem with the fluidity of my casting.

I don't get your claims of logic when, as it stands, I speak from personal experience on something that is simply nice and fluid for me.

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stop was the wrong word, i typed while paying attention to tv at that time. i meant to say prevent i suppose.

because by definition it isnt fluid because it doesnt match the designated charge bar and it prevents you form proceeding to succeed your list of spells to cast - which again is the opposite of FFXI.

because it works for you doesnt mean its a universally user friendly system. FFXI cast system was more userfriendly and even then it was considered by most other game companies and players to be clunky in comparison to other systems that used action bars and not solely on macros and menues.
now we have a hot bar but the animation lock system took a step back.

I agree with the OP. It's extremely annoying.

They should just stop putting band aids all around the combat system already. It's broken, just suck it up!

Start over and adjust the animations to the casting time. BY HAND, ONE BY ONE!

Not like it would take a long time, probably a week for one pro 3D animator.

PS: I volunteer, i do it for you. I am trained in Maya, 3DSMax and Softimage. I do it for FREE!

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

stop was the wrong word, i typed while paying attention to tv at that time. i meant to say prevent i suppose.

because by definition it isnt fluid because it doesnt match the designated charge bar and it prevents you form proceeding to succeed your list of spells to cast - which again is the opposite of FFXI.

because it works for you doesnt mean its a universally user friendly system. FFXI cast system was more userfriendly and even then it was considered by most other game companies and players to be clunky in comparison to other systems that used action bars and not solely on macros and menues.
now we have a hot bar but the animation lock system took a step back.

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I'll just respectively disagree with you on this whole subject. There's no reason to keep going through the same circle.

I'll leave with this: Fluidity as I define it is controlled by how quickly you can release spells in succession and has nothing to do with the animation and charge bar of the spells. Each game is different in how they go about this and just because it's not visually in sync for you, there is a regularity to it that you can get accustomed to.

Tip o' the hat for keeping it civil. Happy hunting.

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Originally Posted by Answa

I'll just respectively disagree with you on this. There's no reason to keep going through the same circle.

I'll leave with this: Fluidity as I define it is controlled by how quickly you can release spells in succession and has nothing to do with the animation and charge bar of the spells. Each game is different in how they go about this and just because it's not visually in sync for you, there is a regularity to it that you can get accustomed to.

Tip o' the hat for keeping it civil. Happy hunting.

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you as well.
i personally disagree that every game handles this concept differently as every other game is deemed a WoW clone partly due to how the action bar system is.
you hit your spell button and its immediately casted as long as your not in the middle of casting another spell. its just so simple to me i really hope our action bar goes in that direction.

A lot of you don't understand why the queue sistem as been removed : ifrit.
Since it's impossible for them an this time remove the animation lock, queuing magic would be 100% death in this fight. Basicly, if you're casting something, have an eruption below you, the animation lock you in place resulting in severe damage. You can only wonder what would happen if you are double the time binded to ground queueing magics...

tl:dl: deal with it for some time. Also, in every other game on the earth you can't use any other skill when casting

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

Also, in every other game on the earth you can't use any other skill when casting

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No, but you can chain the next spell if you press the button an instant before the current one finishes, which gives exactly the fluidity the OP is talking about. Also,in most games you can instantly interrupt your cast to move out of the fire. I suspect Ifrit bribed the developers to get the edge on us.

game is 50% done what you want. give them a year and maybe the game most bought last year will be 100%. and worth the money paid.

Its clearly a lag problem with their servers, if you notice half the time the cast bar doesn't even match up to the finishing of the spell.

I assume we are stuck with it until 2.0.

I agree that they need to get rid of the annoying confimations on some spells.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Its clearly a lag problem with their servers, if you notice half the time the cast bar doesn't even match up to the finishing of the spell.

I assume we are stuck with it until 2.0.

I agree that they need to get rid of the annoying confimations on some spells.

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i think it is partly lag as well because ive noticed there are times when i can almost cast my next spell in immediately after the other like a normal MMO, but its only every so often which i thought was odd and annoying.

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No, but you can chain the next spell if you press the button an instant before the current one finishes, which gives exactly the fluidity the OP is talking about. Also,in most games you can instantly interrupt your cast to move out of the fire. I suspect Ifrit bribed the developers to get the edge on us.

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THIS 100%
im glad someone actually gets what im talking about.
the developers can create any animation smoothly.... why does my hand need to go back to my side before i can cast my next spell?

oh well, we will see what 2.0 brings, i suppose ill just stick with melees for now since i dont have to deal with constant confirms and blind succession timing.

I still like how the charge bar charges all the way full and I'm still casting my spell.

Or when the casting bar is halfway full and it casts.