[DEV REQUEST] Let 1.0 legacy items/tattoo/bonuses be account wide.

EDIT: This post also offers the suggestion to merge the 1.0 character and anything it has into a chosen 2.0 character, so no extra characters can have the 1.0 tattoo or any other items.

Hello, some may remember me from a few days ago when I posted in the tattoo thread, where I mentioned I'll be making a post to draw attention to this for those affected.

First off, please let me explain my personal situation. I play MMORPG's with my partner - we played XI together and currently play XIV.

We played the alpha and beta of Final Fantasy XIV 1.0 and we both purchased the original game at release (I got the collector's edition). However, my partner's computer wasn't able to run the game and because a PS3 version of 1.0 was intended to be released, we decided to quit until that was released and went back to FFXI. This was before SE began to bill for 1.0, so we never paid any subscription fees. This was only because I only wanted to play the game with my bf and we were waiting for the PS3 release of 1.0 that never came.

Fast forward to 2.3, we picked up a trial of FFXIV:ARR each and got into it, this time my partner's computer could run it. When we arranged billing on the Mogstation, we saw no characters from 1.0 listed and given we'd heard that Dalamud had killed a lot of characters off, we assumed that only Warriors of Light (those who had completed the 1.x storyline) had survived and that our characters were dead. Because our 1.0 characters weren't listed in the Mogstation, we made new characters and were none the wiser. I also never received an email from SE (they often send emails enticing people back to XI and XIV, so I don't see why they didn't send us one for 2.0)

It was only the other day in the tattoo thread, where I saw it mentioned that *all* 1.0 characters got tattoos and got curious. I checked what my old 1.0 server was called (Selbina) and found it was now Ridill, on the Gaia data centre (JP). Sure enough, my two 1.0 characters (and my partner's when he checked) were there, still alive. I logged them in and changed the appearance of one to match my current main character and seeing the Hermes shoes and outdated items that gave me nostalgia for a game I missed out on made me quite emotional due to remembering friends and areas in 1.0. I could have used this character, had SE listed them in Mogstation when I set up billing for our 2.0 accounts.

With my situation explained, I would now like to outline my request. Please allow any 1.0 rewards attained by a character on a service account to be attainable by *all* characters on that service account. If for some reason people think that's too much, how about letting us absorb a 1.0 character into an existing 2.0 character, giving them everything they had and deleting them in the progress. That way, you're not getting extra characters.

I don't want to give up everything I've done in the two years since making my 2.0 character, mainly my house and wedding ring (the date is the first day marriages were available and I want to keep that), to get a tattoo that I should have in the first place, had SE notified me in any way that my characters weren't dead.

I would like to add that I am *not* in any way, asking for things I haven't already earned by playing 1.0. I'm not after a Laurel Goobbue mount, or a Legacy Chocobo, I just want what my character should've had if SE had given any hint at all that my 1.0 character survived. .

Here's a post from another player that's on similar lines:

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Originally Posted by Tamianth

All I wish for, is for ALL chars on a Legacy account to have the neck tattoo! I had to remake at the start of ARR, and have worked solidly on my char now for years, but my old, unused char is the one with the tattoo :( I wish they would let all on a Legacy account have the tattoo :(

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tl;dr: Bf and I are former 1.0 players, came back in 2.3 and made new characters because we were led to believe our old characters are dead and we really want the legacy tattoo our 1.0 characters earned on our 2.0 characters, because we don't think it's our fault the 1.0 characters weren't listed.

And finally, a visual of the main thing I want to have on my 2.0 character. :(
http://i.imgur.com/JnV6f6d.jpg

Legacy bonuses are account wide
Tattoo is no Legacy bonus, but a "created during 1.0" character bonus.

If the character was created during 1.0, it will have the tattoo regardless of your legacy status
If the character was not created during 1.0, it will not have the tattoo regardless of your legacy status

I wouldn't oppose that there would be an option on the mogstation that would allow you to transfer or move some rewards between characters, or even the character merge you propose, but making it account wide would be too much, because the legacy tattoo is a consequence of the events the character lived through for existing in Eorzea before 2.0 and has lore implications, even as subtle as they were.

Edit: I've seen posts like this pop up ever since 1.0 closed it's doors, and I always wonder, regardless of personal circumstances why make new characters if there where several free server transfers, a paid server transfer soon after release and free phials of fantasia for everyone?

Anyway I'm never opposed as to giving more options to the players, the merge characters one would be neat I think.

I'm sorry you didn't look for your old characters, but the tattoo is to symbolise that the character was originally created in 1.0. SE did send out multiple emails to tell 1.0 players that they'd get a free copy of 2.0, where to download the launcher and about how much free time we'd get before we had to start paying. I'm sorry that your email either wasn't working or you had an old address on your account, but changing the tattoo from 1.0 characters to anything made on that account just seems to defeat the point of it to me.

Items given to the 1.0 account (except for the Hermes Sandals for some reason) are already account wide. If you bought the collectors edition of 1.0 (and registered the code) then you'll already have the Onion Helm on all characters on that service account and all future characters.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Legacy bonuses are account wide
Tattoo is no Legacy bonus, but a "created during 1.0" character bonus.

If the character was created during 1.0, it will have the tattoo regardless of your legacy status
If the character was not created during 1.0, it will not have the tattoo regardless of your legacy status

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I'm not asking for Legacy status. I don't have it, I didn't earn it and I don't expect it. That was not the intention of this post.
I used the word "bonus" to encompass everyone in my situtation that did earn bonuses during 1.0. It was not my intention to state that the tattoo was exclusive to those with legacy status. I also already know the circumstances a character currently gets a 1.0 tattoo.

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Originally Posted by Heybunny

I would like to add that I am *not* in any way, asking for things I haven't already earned by playing 1.0. I'm not after a Laurel Goobbue mount, or a Legacy Chocobo, I just want what my character should've had if SE had given any hint at all that my 1.0 character survived.

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Originally Posted by Dannythm

I wouldn't oppose that there would be an option on the mogstation that would allow you to transfer or move some rewards between characters, or even the character merge you propose, but making it account wide would be too much, because the legacy tattoo is a consequence of the events the character lived through for existing in Eorzea before 2.0 and has lore implications, even as subtle as they were.

Edit: I've seen posts like this pop up ever since 1.0 closed it's doors, and I always wonder, regardless of personal circumstances why make new characters if there where several free server transfers, a paid server transfer soon after release and free phials of fantasia for everyone?

Anyway I'm never opposed as to giving more options to the players, the merge characters one would be neat I think.

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I can understand the notion that account wide bonuses could be seen as excessive and as you rightly mentioned, I did state a second option to merge the 1.0 character into the 2.0 character. I can't change my title, but I'll add it to the top so it's easily found.

I made a new character because I thought my 1.0 character was lost, due to not being listed in my characters on Mogstation (she is since I access the data centre where she resides, but wasn't there until I did that). I didn't come back for 2.0 because I didn't care about XIV again until a friend talked us into coming back in 2.3. That's my problem and I don't expect free transfers or anything, I just wish SE had told me they survived as everything I read led me to believe that the 1.0 characters that survived had done all the story, the truth eluded me until last week, sadly.

In retrospect, I would've focused on the merge character suggestion, but I can't change the title. Ah well.
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Originally Posted by worldofneil

I'm sorry you didn't look for your old characters, but the tattoo is to symbolise that the character was originally created in 1.0. SE did send out multiple emails to tell 1.0 players that they'd get a free copy of 2.0, where to download the launcher and about how much free time we'd get before we had to start paying. I'm sorry that your email either wasn't working or you had an old address on your account, but changing the tattoo from 1.0 characters to anything made on that account just seems to defeat the point of it to me.

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I didn't realise I had to look for them. I figured if they survived, they'd be listed. Given the events of 1.x eventually killed a lot of characters (Yes I know they're only NPCs now, but I didn't think lore wise, anyone would care about a level 15 conjurer who did a few sidequests!), I figured only those who finished the story survived.

My email works fine and I've had the same email address registered to my Playonline and later my Square Enix account since I started FFXI in 2005. I never received one, I spent a fair amount of time searching through them last night before making this post. I can find the wedding email from my FFXI marriage in 2005, but not one about transferring 1.0 characters to 2.0. If I'd found this, I would own that and accept I can't do anything, but I received nothing from SE.

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Originally Posted by worldofneil

Items given to the 1.0 account (except for the Hermes Sandals for some reason) are already account wide. If you bought the collectors edition of 1.0 (and registered the code) then you'll already have the Onion Helm on all characters on that service account and all future characters.

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I did and do have the Onion Helm registered and available on all characters on my account. :)

When I found my 1.0 characters last week, a pop up appeared stating I can change their name and appearance for free. Why was such a popup not implemented into 2.0 to inform us that we had 1.0 characters available? Clearly the capability to do so is present.

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Originally Posted by Heybunny

My email works fine and I've had the same email address registered to my Playonline and later my Square Enix account since I started FFXI in 2005. I never received one, I spent a fair amount of time searching through them last night before making this post. I can find the wedding email from my FFXI marriage in 2005, but not one about transferring 1.0 characters to 2.0. If I'd found this, I would own that and accept I can't do anything, but I received nothing from SE.

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If it helps, the earliest email I could find about it was 12th June 2013 with a subject of "Return to FINAL FANTASY XIV and Experience A Realm Reborn!" and later aan email regarding the server migrations and where the 1.0 characters would be moved to on 21st June 2013 and resent again on 22nd July 2013 with the subjects of "Regional Data Centers and World Transfers / FFXIV: ARR Newsletter".

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Originally Posted by Heybunny

When I found my 1.0 characters last week, a pop up appeared stating I can change their name and appearance for free. Why was such a popup not implemented into 2.0 to inform us that we had 1.0 characters available? Clearly the capability to do so is present.

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All 1.0 players got a free name one-time name and appearance change which is why you got that (and another free fantasia because not everyones appearance change worked).

As for why no popup... I don't know how to say this without sounding rude and for that I apologise, but the rest of us just automatically logged in with our existing characters. We didn't assume they were deleted, so we didn't need a popup (although I think they are actually are now as I remember reading something about anyone with a 1.0 character who wanted to keep it had to re-login before 3.0 for them to be kept or something like that?).

Again I apologise for sounding rude, but changing things for everyone because of a misunderstanding/some confusion just seems a bit extreme to me.

As far as the tattoo goes, I don't know what the fuss is about. Sure it's nice to have it, but assuming you don't run around in a swimsuit all the time, it's very rare to see it on your char. Goob was a quest reward in 1.0, not exactly a legacy reward.

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Originally Posted by worldofneil

If it helps, the earliest email I could find about it was 12th June 2013 with a subject of "Return to FINAL FANTASY XIV and Experience A Realm Reborn!" and later aan email regarding the server migrations and where the 1.0 characters would be moved to on 21st June 2013 and resent again on 22nd July 2013 with the subjects of "Regional Data Centers and World Transfers / FFXIV: ARR Newsletter".

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Thanks for the advice, I can find emails from then from SE but nothing about that for some reason. :(

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Originally Posted by worldofneil

As for why no popup... I don't know how to say this without sounding rude and for that I apologise, but the rest of us just automatically logged in with our existing characters. We didn't assume they were deleted, so we didn't need a popup (although I think they are actually are now as I remember reading something about anyone with a 1.0 character who wanted to keep it had to re-login before 3.0 for them to be kept or something like that?).

Again I apologise for sounding rude, but changing things for everyone because of a misunderstanding/some confusion just seems a bit extreme to me.

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I'm afraid I can't explain why I didn't check the other data centres. I'm absent minded and would normally blame that, but my partner isn't and he's in the same situation. For whatever reason we both thought that our characters were dead and at the time (2.3), we assumed everyone with a tattoo did almost everything a 1.0 character could do and the ones who barely played were killed off. Obviously we were wrong. :(

That said, I don't personally think allowing a minority of players that have 1.0 characters AND aren't playing them because they didn't realise they existed to merge their 1.0 character into their 2.0 character is extreme, simply because I suspect only a handful of people are affected and for that reason I doubt SE will do anything anyway.

I appreciate the fact you're being civil while explaining your points as well, thank you. :)
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Originally Posted by Daisy

As far as the tattoo goes, I don't know what the fuss is about. Sure it's nice to have it, but assuming you don't run around in a swimsuit all the time, it's very rare to see it on your char. Goob was a quest reward in 1.0, not exactly a legacy reward.

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Well it all depends on how one likes to dress their character. Personally, I like to keep clothing off of my Femroe's shoulders and that often means crop tops which show the upper back. Quite a few crafting tops also show off that area, it doesn't have to be a swimsuit. At the moment though, I'm sporting a long hairstyle so I don't have to see my character's upper back. :P
Also, I didn't know about the Laurel Goobbue not being a legacy reward, thanks for letting me know. :)

I wouldn't be opposed to this.

Considering newly created characters did not experience the events of the calamity, it wouldn't make much sense for them to be branded. You as a player may have gone through it, but the characters themselves are different.

Reading through the topic here, it sounds like you weren't expecting certain things and now want changes implemented to dismiss that. A little research goes a long way!

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Considering newly created characters did not experience the events of the calamity, it wouldn't make much sense for them to be branded. You as a player may have gone through it, but the characters themselves are different.

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What difference does that really make, though? A little Fantasia and *poof* suddenly that character is an entirely new person. I can see some sort of argument for lore reasons or whatever, but for the sake of players, letting those bonuses and all be account-wide doesn't really seem terrible. Give 'em an option, even, if maybe they want a truly "fresh" character.

I'm always for more things being account wide vs character wide. Always bugs me when something is restricted to a single character on my account...

Sucks it turned out this way for you, but I don't see SE doing anything about it. It only takes one 1.0 player getting this done to set off a chain of others wanting the same thing (even if for different reasons than you).

The game immerses you, the player, as the Warrior of Light. You're fighting primals, you're fighting the Ascians, you're saving the world (or at least I hope we are).
Why is there suddenly a distinction here saying it's not you who survived the Calamity? My character is not even the same race or gender as from 1.0, so as far as I'm concerned, it's not the same character anyhow.

People who didn't even finish the story in 1.0 still got a character branded, so it's not like it serves as an adequate badge of exclusive pride to say you stuck with the game until the end either.
So I don't see stuff like lore or entitlement as reasons for not making the legacy mark account-wide.


Likewise, I hope it's not that important to the OP if the mark ends up staying character-bound. I get that you guys had no reason to investigate further on whether or not your old characters still existed. But you guys were happy with your new characters even without the mark, right?


If I missed out on something, and I felt it was important enough, I would figure it couldn't hurt to at least ask if I could have a second chance. Sometimes, you luck out. Whether you do or don't, it's not a big deal. Moving on with your life is the same as if you never found out what you missed.
If it's really simple for the devs to add in though, I think it would be nice to have the mark applied to the account.
I also think it'd be nice to have account -storage-, because just as all of my characters are still "me", each character's stuff still feels like "mine", but I know that's asking for too much. Maybe in a future game, please!

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Originally Posted by synesthetic

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This is my view too, I find Fantasia's kind of break lore but would never judge someone for changing their character, I just don't see the difference either.

It's not a life-or-death thing, no. I just wanted to throw it out there after I learned I wasn't the only person in this situation, figured it couldn't hurt to ask. I wouldn't restart all my progress on my character and pick up the 1.0 one just for the mark, I might've if I didn't have a house though.

You could most likely get your tat character leveled up, trade it the house ownership and redo everything faster then SE would do what you are asking ; ;

It took them like a good year to give me the 1.0 titles that I didn't get because I didn't talk to some NPC before the game shut down...haha but at least they did it I suppose ^^

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Originally Posted by Iromi

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Haha, I wouldn't be at all surprised if you were right! "Trading" the house wouldn't be that simple though, would it? Either way, I wouldn't have my wedding ring with the first day of marriages on it if I changed my main. Probably not a big deal to many, but then I displayed my XI wedding date in my Bazaar comment in FFXI. :P

http://imgur.com/ldYZURN

I'm glad to hear they resolved your titles issue eventually, better late than never. :)

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

What difference does that really make, though? A little Fantasia and *poof* suddenly that character is an entirely new person. I can see some sort of argument for lore reasons or whatever, but for the sake of players, letting those bonuses and all be account-wide doesn't really seem terrible. Give 'em an option, even, if maybe they want a truly "fresh" character.

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It is for lore reasons though. That's exactly why.
Even fantasias are just glamour for your original race, lore-wise.

For lore reasons they should have primals execute and delete your character when you lose a battle. RIP.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

It is for lore reasons though. That's exactly why.
Even fantasias are just glamour for your original race, lore-wise.

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I've had a look but I can't see this confirmed anywhere in game, lore-wise. In fact the other item used explicitly for the purpose of glamour states it outright on the item description.

http://i.imgur.com/xF0P3Wf.jpg?1
"This crystalline prism captures the likeness of a piece of equipment and projects it on to another object of comparable form and function.
[For casting glamours upon equipment repairable by goldsmiths (item level 121-160).]"

http://i.imgur.com/9PcMhCh.jpg?1
"Legend states that any who drink this mysterious liquid before lying down for the evening will awaken a new man (or woman).
Grants you a single opportunity to edit your appearance in the character creation screen upon your next login. "

I will admit that this one could be regarded as more vague than the prior entry and may not say the same in other languages, but to my perception, it sounds like a permanent change, changeable only via another Fantasia.

Why would it not say something like: "Captures the likeness of an customised-character and projects it upon your original character" if it was same for the purposes of Lore? Lore is typically explained in tooltips, along with other places ingame.

I realise this is opinion and is therefore subjective. I know people who will agree and disagree with the points I've made and that's fine! :)

Personaly, I think the only way we are going to see tattoo's becomming account-wide is when they add Tattoo's as a feature for all players. I doubt SE is going to take time and funds to do this and we all know that salty players will yell LIAR towards Yoshi-P when he adds such feature.

Heybunny, I hope you get your tattoo's, but I reckon alot of players who do not have them will want those tattoo's aswell, I fear that SE will avoid this like a plague. My advice is to keep requesting for it and if possible ask this question at FanFest. Personaly, I think unless alot and I mean alot of players can make use of this, SE will not make this for the small group who for some reason failed to get theirs.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

Personaly, I think the only way we are going to see tattoo's becomming account-wide is when they add Tattoo's as a feature for all players. I doubt SE is going to take time and funds to do this and we all know that salty players will yell LIAR towards Yoshi-P when he adds such feature.

Heybunny, I hope you get your tattoo's, but I reckon alot of players who do not have them will want those tattoo's aswell, I fear that SE will avoid this like a plague. My advice is to keep requesting for it and if possible ask this question at FanFest. Personaly, I think unless alot and I mean alot of players can make use of this, SE will not make this for the small group who for some reason failed to get theirs.

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Thanks for your reply! Looking back, I wish I'd made the focus of my OP to be on the merging of a 1.0 character into a 2.0 character, rather than have them be account-wide. I can't see (and hope they don't) them ever adding the tattoo for everyone, it would demean what 1.0 players did after all and I'd be very much against that, even if I don't currently have one on my main character. I would never be asking for the legacy tattoo if I didn't already earn them on a couple of characters, so if 2.0-only people who didn't play 1.0 at all want it, that wouldn't be very fair for them to expect, in my opinion at least.

Thanks for your kind words! It took a lot for me to post this thread in the first place as I'm very anxious so I don't know if I could keep making new threads, but I might bring it up in future threads where it'd be relevant and also in a Fanfest question thread, that's a great idea, thank you! I realise it's a niche request and it'll probably never happen but asking never hurt anyone, after all. :)

I thought your name looked familiar was also on Selbina in 1.0

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Originally Posted by Melondra

I thought your name looked familiar was also on Selbina in 1.0

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Oh nice! ^^ I doubt you saw me though, I wasn't using this name back then (Heybunny was my name in FFXI but I didn't originally use it in XIV), these are my XIV characters from Selbina (now Ridill):

http://i.imgur.com/jzsEg4M.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/HnYG9IC.jpg

2020 and still waiting for tattoo feature or some way to merge my 1.0 character (mounts/titles/achievements) with my Shb character. :(

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Originally Posted by ZansetsuVessalius

2020 and still waiting for tattoo feature or some way to merge my 1.0 character (mounts/titles/achievements) with my Shb character. :(

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Why would you not play your 1.0 character? My "shb" character has all of these things, because it's also my 1.0 character.

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Originally Posted by ZansetsuVessalius

2020 and still waiting for tattoo feature or some way to merge my 1.0 character (mounts/titles/achievements) with my Shb character. :(

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If you've specified a character to be a shb character, did you just make a new one and jump pot it?
Just do the same to your legacy character.

There'll never be a way to merge these, your new characters didn't go through the events of 1.0, there's no reason for them to have these things.
It's 2020 people need to start respecting individual lore.

I know this pain, I had something similar happen. I had my legacy character on Balmung...so it was pretty much inaccessible throughout the betas and early release due to like 5+ hour queue times into the server. Sent a message and SEs respone was make a character on a different server, so I figured I'd make a character on a less populated server so I could play with my friends who were getting father ahead of me by the day lol. The new character didn't have the tattoo, and by the time I could actually get onto my legacy character and queue times had calmed down I already was level 50 and in a raid static so at that point with as little play time as I had I was more or less locked to that character. Always wanted to go back to my legacy character, but now there is just to much I'd have to do over that I can't bring myself to do, too many character bound cash shop items/mounts/emotes and too many achievements/raid/glamour items I'd have to get over. It would take years to earn everything on my main on my legacy character so it's just not viable, though I always did hope they'd add a way to fuse my legacy character with my main someday or add a way to get my tattoo over onto my main somehow.

I had a similar situation. I have a 1.0 character with the tattoo, but my wife was not able to create her character on the same server at the time. So, I made a new character on another server with her and the tattoo completely slipped my mind.

I don’t see a good reason why they can’t make the tattoo account wide for people who have a character with it.

As for the lore argument…didn’t they remove the cutscenes that only legacy characters could see?

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Originally Posted by Krym_Anuhart

I had a similar situation. I have a 1.0 character with the tattoo, but my wife was not able to create her character on the same server at the time. So, I made a new character on another server with her and the tattoo completely slipped my mind.

I don’t see a good reason why they can’t make the tattoo account wide for people who have a character with it.

As for the lore argument…didn’t they remove the cutscenes that only legacy characters could see?

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No they did not.

It's just not every legacy character that gets to see them, you had to complete the grand company storyline.


Even ng+ still has the cutscenes.


Where did you even hear that? Why would they remove them? They aren't extra quests that needed pruning....

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Where did you even hear that? Why would they remove them? They aren't extra quests that needed pruning....

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Well, that’s why I asked it as a question on not state it as a fact. I saw it on a comment on one of the YouTube videos showing the special cutscenes.