Vote to kick feature

Not sure if this has been addressed or not, but there needs to be a change in the vote to kick feature... It's annoying to be kicked for playing a job because it's an inconvenience to other players. This feature should only be usable if the person is afk status or offline. It's too open ended and too easy to say harassment, in cases where someone is being rude disrespectful ignore and report <--- new policy meaning get the dungeon over with ignore them and then report it if it truly bothered you. ... There are gonna be some tough people to deal with in this world got to suck it up.. but to kick someone because they are playing their job as it's intended and you don't like it cause it inconveniences you and so you say they are harassing you in order to kick that's not a reason to kick that's misuse... Personally those type of people should be banned for 24 hours but a simple change in the vote to kick would fix a lot of these issues. I have had this numerous times cause players don't like knock back attached to abilities... Guess what TOUGH if it wasn't ment to be used they wouldn't have put it in the game... That's called being a cry baby and you don't want to put extra effort...

If you feel kicked without reason please reoirt ingame...the votekick feature is fine as it is now, i don't know why i should give a reason to kick someone within this four limited options, this should be free text at first and then it's for the other people to agree with me. Vote kick is a party decission either there was a "yes"-voter or you annoyed (lesser form of harrassment) more then one person. And to say it with your own words, if it wasn't ment to be used they wouldn't have put it in the game...

i not agree with Legion88 because the People use yes if anyone vote they not thinking never , just accpet anything they sand to them .

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Originally Posted by DemascusW

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well to be fair, there is a way to use that Knock back if it is intentional, meaning you use it to intentionally purposedly do whatever you can to prevent another player from doing his job properly....is kind of well obvious you will be kick, do I agree not necesseraly no, but cant blame them either.

If you have been asked several times to please not do somethign and you keep doing it by that YOU being the stubborn one aka not exactly a team player respectful of others, no Wonder you are being kicked. But equally, if you use WISELY your skills when appropriate or necessary (not just because you can), then I agree with you.

You have to bare in mind that what you do has conséquences, using a Knock back when a DPS/tank whoever is ready to use his skills has set them that way and by that have him do all that for nothing aka a waste I can understand his frustration.

Just because you can doesnt mean you should. I am a WHM; I have fluid Aura, I use it often to protect myself OR protect someone else, or to finish off a mob, but never just because I can and so use it whenever without caring a tid bit of others.

I think the cry baby in this case is you. Vote kick needs remodelling BUT not necesseraly for the reasons you state as, to me, you come out as the guilty one.

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Originally Posted by DemascusW

Personally those type of people should be banned for 24 hours but a simple change in the vote to kick would fix a lot of these issues. I have had this numerous times cause players don't like knock back attached to abilities... Guess what TOUGH if it wasn't ment to be used they wouldn't have put it in the game... That's called being a cry baby and you don't want to put extra effort...

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That's fine but you should get a perma ban. If I have to walk through the dungeon as a tank/melee because you decided to knock back mobs, that's a waste of my time. If you then come here to the forums or in game chat, and complain about that you got kicked, after saying other people should grow a pair. Yea that would deserve the perm ban game and forum wise.

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Originally Posted by LunaFaye

That's fine but you should get a perma ban. If I have to walk through the dungeon as a tank/melee because you decided to knock back mobs, that's a waste of my time. If you then come here to the forums or in game chat, and complain about that you got kicked, after saying other people should grow a pair. Yea that would deserve the perm ban game and forum wise.

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Oh come on, that's a bit harsh.

Knockbacks are an annoyance (if used improperly) not a gamebreaker.

Disagreed. Kicking players for different play style should be allowed.

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Originally Posted by DemascusW

I have had this numerous times cause players don't like knock back attached to abilities... Guess what TOUGH if it wasn't ment to be used they wouldn't have put it in the game... That's called being a cry baby and you don't want to put extra effort...

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Ya havent had the slightest idea that knockback actions can stuck mobs in weird places or even makes range mobs going out of places like ice sprites in dusk vigil getting stuck behind the frozen wall just because some machinists find it funny to knockback em.. Or even the frog from guildhest which can be knockbacked behind the red restricted line..

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Originally Posted by Evangela

Disagreed. Kicking players for different play style should be allowed.

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And there goes our freedom in playing the game thank you very much.
People tend to completely forget that this is a game that can is done both in solo and in team.
Building yourself FOR others is not what i call Freedom Play.

I completely agree with Demascus but what can we do ? Assholes will still be assholes and kick you because they don't like your class/stuff/style/macros/rp and they don't care. Unfortunately (and trust me i speak with experience) the only way to pass through is just either to leave by yourself (sadic way of letting them in the shit) or finding people that accept you and TIPS you on mastering your style instead of ORDERING you to do it their way. But be careful of not exagerating too. Talking about strategy, some skills are useful where others aren't. It all depend of the situation.

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Originally Posted by Talamarie

And there goes our freedom in playing the game thank you very much.
People tend to completely forget that this is a game that can is done both in solo and in team.
Building yourself FOR others is not what i call Freedom Play.

I completely agree with Demascus but what can we do ? Assholes will still be assholes and kick you because they don't like your class/stuff/style/macros/rp and they don't care. Unfortunately (and trust me i speak with experience) the only way to pass through is just either to leave by yourself (sadic way of letting them in the shit) or finding people that accept you and TIPS you on mastering your style instead of ORDERING you to do it their way.

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You have the freedom to play with other players who share the same opinions.

Other players also have the freedom to not play with you, too.

You can form a club of people who enjoy having machinists knocking everything back like a pin ball game all they want.

But people who don't enjoy doing so, they have the right to kick them.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

Disagreed. Kicking players for different play style should be allowed.

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I think we should be able to kick them if i don't like their glamour too. The kick feature is abused in this game and should be remedied. Too many people think it's their way or the highway.

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Originally Posted by DemascusW

playing their job as it's intended
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Guess what TOUGH if it wasn't ment to be used they wouldn't have put it in the game

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"In the game" does not "mean should be used every time it comes off CD." There are several damage abilities that stun, and if they are used asap every time you're gonna have issues on fights where you can stun tankbusters.

You were trolling the group, they asked you to stop but you didn't. That is a prime example of proper use of vote kick.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

I think we should be able to kick them if i don't like their glamour too. The kick feature is abused in this game and should be remedied. Too many people think it's their way or the highway.

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IIRC, a GM said that kicking people for different playstyle are allowed. Someone posted it on this forums.

http://i.imgur.com/rL1L6S9.jpg

From this thread:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ically-allowed

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Originally Posted by Evangela

You have the freedom to play with other players who share the same opinions.

Other players also have the freedom to not play with you, too.

You can form a club of people who enjoy having machinists knocking everything back like a pin ball game all they want.

But people who don't enjoy doing so, they have the right to kick them.

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I don't think you read yourself when you write because you sound exactly like "kick first, speak later".
Where's the respect in that ? You talk about freedom of not playing with people who do that : ok i agree.
But if you have it, wouldn't telling the person "please stop that" and explaining why would be better ?
Don't give me answers like "they should already know" or "they don't listen", in both case you should begin by talking first and then acting on it.

First time i see that screenshot of a GM answer. I am shocked.

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Originally Posted by Talamarie

I don't think you read yourself when you write because you sound exactly like "kick first, speak later".
Where's the respect in that ? You talk about freedom of not playing with people who do that : ok i agree.
But if you have it, wouldn't telling the person "please stop that" and explaining why would be better ?
Don't give me answers like "they should already know" or "they don't listen", in both case you should begin by talking first and then acting on it.

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Well... in the OP's case, it seems like he's been told by the others that they don't like the knock back ability. It's not like he didn't see the kick coming if he decide to keep doing it.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

IIRC, a GM said that kicking people for different playstyle are allowed. Someone posted it on this forums.

http://i.imgur.com/rL1L6S9.jpg

From this thread:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ically-allowed

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It's too vauge.

"Different playstyles" could cover absolutely anything.

If the description means it could also involve being able to kick someone for playing to well as its a "different playstyle" to your own then I find it a problem. I've been kicked for using a knockback and heavy to get a mob off a healer before, people are so uppity about petty stuff in dungeons.

I agree the vote kick option definitely needs a rework in their rules.

However, there are some perfectly good examples of why 'different playstyles' is a legitimate reason to kick someone. If I was in a group with you and a melee and you kept knocking back mobs and slowing us down at every pull, I would probably kick you aswell.

Another example would be three players wanting to speed run and one player running to every room and pulling the mobs. They want a full clear, we don't - and they're slowing three other people down in the process. That's a different playstyle.

I mean, if knock back is the only thing getting you kicked, is it really that hard not to use it? Also skills are situational. Tanks have stun but it doesn't mean they should be stunning every mob they see.

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Originally Posted by WinterLuna

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True.

Ok then maybe a re-working of the rules isn't needed, what is needed is a rework of the report system. Atm it's too easy to be kicked unjustly (not that it's overly pervasive) and too damn hard/annoying to report when it does happen.

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Originally Posted by Underdog2204

True.

Ok then maybe a re-working of the rules isn't needed, what is needed is a rework of the report system. Atm it's too easy to be kicked unjustly (not that it's overly pervasive) and too damn hard/annoying to report when it does happen.

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Completely agreed!

If you kept knocking back enemies before they're about to die, and they asked you to stop and you didn't listen, then that counts as harassment. Unless of course it was to avoid an aoe or something.

I DO NOT support the OP here. The kick feature is exactly how it needs to be. No changes necessary. Ive played this game since the beta, and I can count on one hand how many times ive seen it abused to hurt a truly innocent player who was doing nothing wrong. However, I can make you a long list of times it helped my group rid ourselves of a cancer. The OP sounds like the typical left wing millennial who needs a safe space everywhere he goes. He wants to force people to play with toxic players, with no power to address the situation themselves, in order to address one tiny minority issue that rarely ever happens....No. So you would have people annoyed they have no power to remove a troll, you would increase tickets in the system because of players inability to address issues on their own, all to shelter the OP's sensitivities. Makes perfect sense.


EDIT: So we now learn the OP was kicked for knocking back mobs in every pull. I would have kicked you as well. This is EXACTLY why the kick system needs to stay the same so I can avoid morons like you who simply dont get it, or refuse to even try.

It's not really that easy to abuse the vote kick system. If half of the party agreed to remove someone, most of the time it justifies their decision. Except when the voters are from the same LS/FC or knowing each other on the same server.

While I'd never kick anyone for doing so, I've gotta agree, knockback skills are the worst thing I'm group content. I've told my FC many times that if they knock something back, I'll stop tanking it.
We all have situational abilities. It's great you'd like to use your full toolkit, but this is like a BLM using Sleep when it's not needed, or a WHM using regen between pulls, or any other situational ability.

It's not about you, it's about the party. That might be tough to deal with but you might want to suck it up and end up more skilled in the end.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

It's not really that easy to abuse the vote kick system. If half of the party agreed to remove someone, most of the time it justifies their decision. Except when the voters are from the same LS/FC or knowing each other on the same server.

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Would be true if people didn't just press accept without thinking.

Unfortunately though people do.

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Originally Posted by Underdog2204

Would be true if people didn't just press accept without thinking.

Unfortunately though people do.

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If people choose to accept, then they are agreeing one way or another. Their ability (or inability) to reason about whether it's a valid kick or not is ancillary to the fact that they are required to make a choice. In nearly two years of playing, I think I've been kicked from a DF group once, maybe twice, and both times I probably deserved it.

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Originally Posted by DemascusW

I have had this numerous times cause players don't like knock back attached to abilities... Guess what TOUGH if it wasn't ment to be used they wouldn't have put it in the game... That's called being a cry baby and you don't want to put extra effort...

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This completely destroys your argument, as others have stated. I very very rarely kick people or even vote to kick if the motion is presented. I think I have voted yes on it exactly one time and I've been playing with the system since its inception. Yet, I would vote to kick you if you consistently used a knockback because it is one of the most annoying things for a tank or a melee to have to deal with. However, you need to realize that what you're doing is not beneficial to the party in any way, shape or form. Knockbacks have specific times where they are useful, other than those times, put them away. That's like saying a MNK should use One-Ilm Punch at least every other rotation... after all it's in the game so it needs to be used every chance. It's just not true.

knock backs are a situational skill A.E you pulled agro and need to get a hard hitting monster off you, in which case after the knock back you root them. Allowing the group to deal with said mob n then finish him off, or A.E to cancel an aoe. Knock back isn't a skill meant to be spammed just because its there and ready. Just like bards and goon's don't waste their elusive/exasive jump skills just because its up. (bard more so since it does do dmg). So those players didn't abuse the system to the sounds of it, It sounds like you just did a fine job of being annoying. and sorry when a group of people asks you to stop doing something, and you keep doing it, that's harassment. Which is a kick option.

The vote kick system is fine the way it is, its the people themselves that need fixing. Simply put, "don't be a jerk". I'm sorry but intentionally knocking back monsters just for the sake of knocking them back without any need or reason is well...kinda being a jerk.

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There's two kinds of "extra effort" The good kind where the entire party comes together to go the extra mile to make things all work. Then the bad kind where three of the party has to work extra hard because the fourth despite being told to stop what it is they're doing , willingly refuses and continues to be a burden.

I love how this topic pops up every so often...

We've been told before from GMs ( see SS earlier in this thread )... were allowed to kick and/or be kicked for having different play styles. End of story.

You can report it to a GM if you think the feature was "abused" but if it's honestly the case, that you weren't meshing well with your party, they won't do anything about it. They'll sing you the big song and show of "We'll look into it" but nothing else.

You aren't going to get along with every single party you run into in DF and in all honesty most of the time the kick feature isn't an issue at all. Yes it can be abused but most people just ignore it and finish the duty even if another party member is annoying them or doing something dumb..

If you find yourself being kick often enough that you feel the need to make a topic about it perhaps you should examine your own behavior in DF...

Sorry OP. But no. Kick feature is fine.

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Originally Posted by viewtyjoe

If people choose to accept, then they are agreeing one way or another. Their ability (or inability) to reason about whether it's a valid kick or not is ancillary to the fact that they are required to make a choice. In nearly two years of playing, I think I've been kicked from a DF group once, maybe twice, and both times I probably deserved it.

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True but that doesn't negate the fact unjust kicks can in fact happen because of it (not the OP but others).

I'm a team player and I've only been kicked 3 times but two of those were unwarrented.

The Vote Dismiss option can be badly misused!...

It would be great if SE required people to submit a brief comment to justify dismissing a player so they can later check on any text log if possible to confirm the action!...

I'm not talking about one of the available reason but an additional 200+ characters' comment about the dismissed player's fault!...

Why you ask!?... Because it would fairer!...

It surely doesn't feel nice when idiots, from the same FC most likely, kick you out for unknown reasons, it's happened to me and it can be done to anyone with the current rules!... :mad:

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Originally Posted by Underdog2204

True but that doesn't negate the fact unjust kicks can in fact happen because of it (not the OP but others).

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it can, but what you perceive as unjust may well be perfectly justified by others. The state of kick today is, majority rules. So EVEN if you did nothing to deserve a kick you STILL can be kicked just bcause they dont like your glamour or dont like you half naked or you name it. This has been stated several times by GMs in reports that *SE does not mix into players squabbles* and this enters into that section. We all agree at least for most of us that Vote Kick requires an adjustment to avoid jerks to abuse of it like kicking you because a friend has to join, but all in all it boils down to being responsible enough to know when to use it or when not.


I am totally against this feature I want it out of the way...but if only there were harsher sanctions against those that abuse of it, I would already be happy.

In this situation, OP is just a self entitled player that thinks he can do whatever he wants when he wants and the rest has just to shut up, welel as it stands, he got corrected and hopefully may learn from it, although I doubt.

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Originally Posted by Underdog2204

True but that doesn't negate the fact unjust kicks can in fact happen because of it (not the OP but others).

I'm a team player and I've only been kicked 3 times but two of those were unwarrented.

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My alt was kicked yesterday in Weeping City after 1st boss. No clue why, no wipe, no verbal issues, just clear out of the blue. Sorry but not wasting my time filing a complaint. I was there with a friend so I'll ask her if there was any discussion after. I know the duty, the mechanics and all. The only thing I can fantom is that the group arrow that spawned on me lead to my death and maybe one other but that wasn't my fault if the parties don't group on the icon. The boss was at 1 percent when that happened and i simply respawned. It was late and i was tired, I simply went to bed.

I've been kicked once for no reason whatsoever and another time because a tank decided he didn't like me spirit bonding although my gear was absolutely fine (before unsync even existed) and threatened to leave so obviously the DPS and healer chose to kick the easier option which was me.

As I said earlier, 'different playstyles' is definitely a legitimate reason to kick but unjustified kicks do happen and it's really hard to do anything about it.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

My alt was kicked yesterday in Weeping City after 1st boss. No clue why, no wipe, no verbal issues, just clear out of the blue. Sorry but not wasting my time filing a complaint. I was there with a friend so I'll ask her if there was any discussion after. I know the duty, the mechanics and all. The only thing I can fantom is that the group arrow that spawned on me lead to my death and maybe one other but that wasn't my fault if the parties don't group on the icon. The boss was at 1 percent when that happened and i simply respawned. It was late and i was tired, I simply went to bed.

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Well my 2nd unwarrented (first was the knockback+heavy) was because a BRD didn't want gear competition... Yeah... Well that's the only thing I can fathom with the "We got a MCH" from the BRD and then getting booted barely after starting.

The ironic thing is that I was gonna pass on the stuff anyway.

My first kick was ages ago (before the xpac) when I pulled a temper tantrum in the middle of a dungeon run... Would've kicked myself from the group if I was the other members, was totally deserved.

@underdog

From what you said you were booted because they didnt want a MCH some consider MCH dps as useless into some places unfortunately

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Originally Posted by MeiUshu

@underdog

From what you said you were booted because they didnt want a MCH some consider MCH dps as useless into some places unfortunately

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Ohh I hadn't considered that you're probably right.

Well those people called "some" can keep their cruddy (and flat out wrong) opinion and I'll just keep doing my thing.

If "difference of playstyles" is enough reason to kick somebody, then I wonder why that is not option rather than the ones that we do have

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Originally Posted by myahele

If "difference of playstyles" is enough reason to kick somebody, then I wonder why that is not option rather than the ones that we do have

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Because it is there just in an other name : harrassement

Yep i know

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Originally Posted by Underdog2204

Ohh I hadn't considered that you're probably right.

Well those people called "some" can keep their cruddy (and flat out wrong) opinion and I'll just keep doing my thing.

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MCH will always be in BRD's shadow.. unless of course SE decides to bring them back to their former glory.