Limit Plots buyable

I had this idea to limit the amount of plots you buy to one per server per service account. This would cut down on the amount that people buy at once giving others a chance to buy one for themself. Plus it would stop the reselling of plots which as we all know has become an issue.

And I know a couple who share the cost of an account that live together, but they're always playing at seperate times, and they're both interested in different plots. So why should SE limit them? Also what you suggested has been suggested before.

It'd solve a LOT more issues if they made specific wards for FC housing only.

or simply add enough se

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Originally Posted by Bacent

And I know a couple who share the cost of an account that live together, but they're always playing at seperate times, and they're both interested in different plots. So why should SE limit them? Also what you suggested has been suggested before.

It'd solve a LOT more issues if they made specific wards for FC housing only.

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Shouldn't be sharing an account. Expectation is one account to one person. SE should limit accounts to one plot per account per server.

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Originally Posted by MistyMew

or simply add enough se

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Easier said than done.

Honestly, there's still too many people who want houses. Yes, this would potentially eliminate scalpers, but the demand still exceeds the supply. Remember how Balmung sold out in like 20 minutes or whatever? There was still like a queue of 2000 people trying to log in then. 720 (or whatever the amount was, it was around there if I recall correctly) new plots will not satisfy an entire server full of people + 2000 trying to log in. Sure, some of them are scalpers, but do you really think the people who wanted a house for themselves among that entire server capacity + 2000 is less than 720?

This has been suggested by other people, myself included...unfortunately I doubt much will come of it.

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Originally Posted by Bacent

And I know a couple who share the cost of an account that live together, but they're always playing at seperate times, and they're both interested in different plots. So why should SE limit them? Also what you suggested has been suggested before.

It'd solve a LOT more issues if they made specific wards for FC housing only.

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Technically, I believe sharing an account is against the terms of service.

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Originally Posted by Bacent

And I know a couple who share the cost of an account that live together, but they're always playing at seperate times, and they're both interested in different plots. So why should SE limit them? Also what you suggested has been suggested before.

It'd solve a LOT more issues if they made specific wards for FC housing only.

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Unfortunately if two players are sharing a service account they are in breach of the ToS so SE isn't likely to take them into consideration for anything.

What the OP suggests would be the single biggest solution for housing, short of adding enough wards for everyone. It's been a common suggestion since personal housing first came out and I really don't know why SE is dragging their feet on it. It would free up a LOT of plots and would drastically reduce the ability of the 'housing mafia' on some servers to buy out all the houses just to resell them.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

Unfortunately if two players are sharing a service account they are in breach of the ToS so SE isn't likely to take them into consideration for anything.

What the OP suggests would be the single biggest solution for housing, short of adding enough wards for everyone. It's been a common suggestion since personal housing first came out and I really don't know why SE is dragging their feet on it. It would free up a LOT of plots and would drastically reduce the ability of the 'housing mafia' on some servers to buy out all the houses just to resell them.

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This should apply to FC's as well. One house per FC. There's an FC that owns half of the houses in a ward on my server >:T

What I would have liked to see them do was:

Make the main wards for FC's and the sub-wards for personal. In theory if they implemented this now, they could grandfather anyone with a personal on a primary ward into their existing plot. If they end up losing the property then it goes back up for sale for FC's only.

Additionally, I 100% agree with the 1 personal house/1FC house per account per server idea. While it wouldn't be enough for everyone it would have eased some of the strain between the times they add new wards/sub-wards. Again, in theory this would be easy enough to grandfather players into. If you have multiple houses on alts on the same account/server and you lose one (decay timer) you can't get another on that toon.

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Originally Posted by Avera

This should apply to FC's as well. One house per FC. There's an FC that owns half of the houses in a ward on my server >:T

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I was under the impression that a single FC can only own one house.

But the 'short names' for fc's aren't exclusive, any fc can have the same short name as any other.

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Originally Posted by TaranTatsuuchi

I was under the impression that a single FC can only own one house.

But the 'short names' for fc's aren't exclusive, any fc can have the same short name as any other.

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No, I've checked, its the same FC :T

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Originally Posted by Avera

No, I've checked, its the same FC :T

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They're all separate FC's, they just have the same short name (which doesn't have to be unique).

Each FC is already restricted to one house, but there's nothing to stop people levelling up multiple companies with the same short name to rank 6 so they can buy a house (which is what has happened here). If you view the details on each house you'll see each might have the same short name, but will have different actual names.

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Originally Posted by TaranTatsuuchi

I was under the impression that a single FC can only own one house.

But the 'short names' for fc's aren't exclusive, any fc can have the same short name as any other.

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I'm guessing Avera is talking about Aeth. If so, yes they have multiple "alt" FC's for the sole purpose of owning multiple houses in the wards; hobby houses like "Night Club, Cafe, Reserve this place for your Eternal Bond reception. We can customize for you." etc. So while it's not the same FC it's a type of sub FC that operates under the main FC's alts. Back when they first did it their FC leader bragged about it on Reddit and got flamed. Not that it changed much, they still have like 5 houses for no reason in Lav Beds.

They aren't the only FC that does this either, for example we have an FC in my ward that owns a Medium and Small right across for them just for decorating "welcome to the guest house! enjoy your stay"; they've been asked if they would sell it before so someone could get a personal house and the response from their leadership was basically "No it's mine" (so that 1 person holds at least 3 houses, 2 FC's + personal). This type of behaviour is seriously selfish when the housing resource is so limited.

So again, 1 FC/1 Personal per account/server would go a long way in helping stop these type of shenanigans and opening up a few more plots for other FC's/individuals.

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Originally Posted by Syrehn

They aren't the only FC that does this either, for example we have an FC in my ward that owns a Medium and Small right across for them just for decorating "welcome to the guest house! enjoy your stay"; they've been asked if they would sell it before so someone could get a personal house and the response from their leadership was basically "No it's mine" (so that 1 person holds at least 3 houses, 2 FC's + personal). This type of behaviour is seriously selfish when the housing resource is so limited.

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On Famfrit, there's an FC called <Soul> or something like that that has not two... not five... but SIXTEEN houses in the Goblet. Possibly more, I lost track after finding 16 of them. I can't even fathom whether it's just one guy with two accounts and 8 alts each or whether he has a large group of friends who all decided to make alts with similar names. Most of the FCs owning the houses have 3 people in them and all the FC leaders had similar names.

As much as I can agree with you guys I will also have to disagree. This is a large pop server problem. There are those of us on lower pop servers that not only do not have this problem but also don't want these solutions. What about those players who intentionally go to lower pop servers because they like playing sally home maker? The patch came out 20 days ago. There are still houses on my server, although the number is dwindling. I feel once the apartments and/if Ishgard housing comes out it will be absolutely no problem for MOST of the servers for players to find housing. Find another solution, like fair plot selling.

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Originally Posted by OliviaJ

As much as I can agree with you guys I will also have to disagree. This is a large pop server problem. There are those of us on lower pop servers that not only do not have this problem but also don't want these solutions. What about those players who intentionally go to lower pop servers because they like playing sally home maker? The patch came out 20 days ago. There are still houses on my server, although the number is dwindling. I feel once the apartments and/if Ishgard housing comes out it will be absolutely no problem for MOST of the servers for players to find housing. Find another solution, like fair plot selling.

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Nope sorry, don't agree. There is literally not 1 single reason, regardless of what server they are on, that would justify 1 person owning multiple plots on a single account other than personal greed; which really blows for the rest of the community with such a limited resource.

It could be because they like decorating and feel since there is no restriction in place they have the right to own as much property as they please, they might want multiple gardens, airships etc. That's still individual greed and that takes away from those who don't have housing; it is flat out inconsiderate and selfish.

Yes, Ishgard apartments will help, yes the decay timer does somewhat help when it's active, all these things added together help but allowing 1 person to potentially own 8 houses per account is stupid.

Another thing that should be added that might help, especially for players who do have multiple alts, is the ability to share their own personal house with their alts.

What they should do imo, is grandfather anyone with multiple properties into their houses and change the rule structure to 1 personal/1 FC per account/server and if you lose one of your 2+ houses for w/e reason you won't be able to buy another.

I also agree that they should put in some kind of plot selling feature to allow players to legally/fairly resell their plots if they don't want them anymore without having to wait the 45 days or w/e to get a % of their gil back.

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Originally Posted by OliviaJ

As much as I can agree with you guys I will also have to disagree. This is a large pop server problem. There are those of us on lower pop servers that not only do not have this problem but also don't want these solutions. What about those players who intentionally go to lower pop servers because they like playing sally home maker? The patch came out 20 days ago. There are still houses on my server, although the number is dwindling. I feel once the apartments and/if Ishgard housing comes out it will be absolutely no problem for MOST of the servers for players to find housing. Find another solution, like fair plot selling.

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So you're basically saying that you want players on high pop servers like mine to continue to struggle to get access to personal or even FC housing in a lot of cases, just so you can buy up multiple houses on your own server. Not gonna agree with you there regardless of server population. Others deserve a chance to access this content too. And higher pop servers certainly don't need to take a back seat to those with lower populations. If anything, I have seen it suggested numerous times that wards should be added according to the population of each server.

From recent Yoshida GameWatch interview.

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Furthermore, for FFXIV, since the requirement to buy land is to be level 50 on one job and to save enough gil, there is quite a high hurdle to be able to purchase land. So we should respect those players who have done enough to satisfy the conditions to purchase land on alternate characters.

If these things continue, the housing system will become very overcrowded. Rather than viewing everyone as inherently bad, we'd rather allow as much freedom as possible to remain in the system. Additionally, after speaking with players and getting feedback from a majority, we can make provisions if we decide that certain things should not be allowed. So first, let's talk about it. I think there wouldn't be any problems if everyone would act ethically.

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Originally Posted by OliviaJ

So, in a case like mine where I can only afford one sub but have two character (mine and my wife's) then only one of us should be able to decorate even though both were progressed enough and earned enough gil to support it?

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Sorry that I'm not replying to the topic itself, but I don't know if you're aware that account sharing is against the ToS and has the potential to get your entire account banned. What you do with your account is none of my business and is between you and SE, but I certainly wouldn't publicise you're sharing an account on the official forums.

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Originally Posted by OliviaJ

So, in a case like mine where I can only afford one sub but have two character (mine and my wife's) then only one of us should be able to decorate even though both were progressed enough and earned enough gil to support it? Even when in week three there are still some available? What's this shortage you are talking about? Oh, ridiculously high population server with players that are ripping each other off on two or three servers. I'll agree with one point. They should have figured out a way to add more wards to your server. I will never agree to changing the terms of the rules that were set for gameplay to satisfy overpopulated worlds.

Even though it's not possible I would love to see instanced housing in the worlds that are wishing all of this on the low pop servers. Leave us out of the fight.

Syrehn I like your opinion for the most part though. I might not agree with it all but I respect it if that's worth anything.

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While I can see where you're coming from you might want to be careful about admitting to account sharing; it's against the TOS.

That being said your case would be a prime example of where, if they ever allowed property sharing between alts, you could both utilize 1 residence. You could divide the decorating up depending on the size of lot purchased. Maybe each take a floor?

The issue with instanced housing is that instances still require SE to save data so it wouldn't necessarily solve the problem the way people think. It essentially equal's out to "more wards" anyway since it's all about their data storage architecture.

Thanks for the heads up and keeping it civil. What's the purpose of having multiple characters then? Very odd. Help with the quotes?

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Originally Posted by OliviaJ

Thanks for the heads up and keeping it civil. What's the purpose of having multiple characters then? Very odd.

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While you can have multiple characters, nothing wrong with that, I don't personally feel this game is geared towards alts per say. Considering how they allow us to do everything on 1 character and restrict things like mail between alts, etc.

To me alts would be used for different aesthetic purposes or raid lockouts (1 person that runs in 2 raid groups perhaps).

When I think of levelling all the jobs again (cross class) on another character as an alt I literally die inside. @_@

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Originally Posted by OliviaJ

Thanks for the heads up and keeping it civil. What's the purpose of having multiple characters then? Very odd. Help with the quotes?

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I have 1 alt for crafting specialists. My friend covers 3 of the specs and my main and my alt cover the other 5. I have a 2nd alt on reserve if I get bored and decide I want access to all specs.

Also, RP. So I hear.

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Originally Posted by Syrehn

The issue with instanced housing is that instances still require SE to save data so it wouldn't necessarily solve the problem the way people think. It essentially equal's out to "more wards" anyway since it's all about their data storage architecture.

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One would think, but they have no trouble offering up an FC room to every player/alt. If they instead used that system to offer personal housing space (inside & out, not apartments) in various areas I think that'd work out nicely. I'm fond of the idea of snagging one of the floating islands in the sea of clouds as a plot and being able to move it around to a locale of your choosing (choose a skybox basically). Doing so won't require it to keep an entire ward loaded up into memory.

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

One would think, but they have no trouble offering up an FC room to every player/alt. If they instead used that system to offer personal housing space (inside & out, not apartments) in various areas I think that'd work out nicely. I'm fond of the idea of snagging one of the floating islands in the sea of clouds as a plot and being able to move it around to a locale of your choosing (choose a skybox basically). Doing so won't require it to keep an entire ward loaded up into memory.

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Yes they do allow a limited version of instanced housing via FC rooms, but again, it's limited so it doesn't require as much data storage as a full house with 100+ items. While it does still use storage it's not as much as creating full new wards/sub-wards with individual houses that need to have all their item placement data saved; probably via SAN Storage (which is quite costly).

There is no way that they'll replace an entire housing infrastructure, that's wishful thinking, at best, those who want instanced housing are going to have to contend with w/e the apartment style complex is going to be like; that's probably as close as you're going to get to that type of system.

It will be interesting to see what the apartments are like when they launch as compared to our current wards.

My biggest problem with instanced housing is the lack of neighbors to chat with and my fondness of wandering the wards, seeing what people have come up with. I like seeing that creativity, and can't tell you how many great FC rooms there are out there because I rarely wander that far. If someone has great curb appeal then I go inside, provided it's unlocked.

I do understand that plopping it down somewhere for your own pleasure of creating something for yourself and hopefully being able to garden. How would you share it with the world though, or do you not really care if anyone else sees it?

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Originally Posted by OliviaJ

I do understand that plopping it down somewhere for your own pleasure of creating something for yourself and hopefully being able to garden. How would you share it with the world though, or do you not really care if anyone else sees it?

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I'd be happy to do everything I do for housing in an instance. My house is a place with constant and decent lighting, free from distractions for crafting (I'll even hide the chat window when doing top tier crafting). It's also a garden, home base with retainer bell and company chest, near the market board.

The neighbors are nice, but if I could have all of that without the open world ward, I'd be fine with it. Until that happens, I'll hang on to my house.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

I'd be happy to do everything I do for housing in an instance. My house is a place with constant and decent lighting, free from distractions for crafting (I'll even hide the chat window when doing top tier crafting). It's also a garden, home base with retainer bell and company chest, near the market board.

The neighbors are nice, but if I could have all of that without the open world ward, I'd be fine with it. Until that happens, I'll hang on to my house.

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Fair enough. I haven't seen a neighbor in my neck of the woods in ages. I hate it. The MB is right in front of my house too and I do most of my crafting in the front yard or the roof. Still, no one around. Waiting for that countdown to start again so maybe I can either upgrade or someone will buy a plot that gets auto demolished and I have someone to chat with outside my house.

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Originally Posted by Syrehn

While you can have multiple characters, nothing wrong with that, I don't personally feel this game is geared towards alts per say. Considering how they allow us to do everything on 1 character and restrict things like mail between alts, etc.

To me alts would be used for different aesthetic purposes or raid lockouts (1 person that runs in 2 raid groups perhaps).

When I think of levelling all the jobs again (cross class) on another character as an alt I literally die inside. @_@

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I don't even understand how you can say this with all the weekly limits on stuff. Sure you could decide an alt is too much work for you (though it's laughably easy tbh) but getting extra maps, freedom to concentrate on several jobs (I have a character for each role and gear up the alts just as fast as my main where you'd be months behind), and of course things like mhachi matter...basically on 2 alts I'm getting/saving the easiest mil a week on just that alone.
Alts aren't for everyone depending on playtime for sure but you can't look at this game and go "I don't see the benefit."

edit: and as far as the difficulty of levelling crossclass skills some jobs have it easier than others. SMN is essentially set with archer lv 4 and thm 15, 26 for swiftcast. Take 10 minutes to do novice hall and get a ring that gives you 30% exp till lv 31. Use Out to Sea leve @ costa for fast exp as well. This game was a joke to level your first job back in 2.0 and it's only become exponentially easier since. I nearly got 3 levels on a job in 1 roulette with that ring.

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Originally Posted by OliviaJ

Thanks for the heads up and keeping it civil. What's the purpose of having multiple characters then? Very odd. Help with the quotes?

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Some people like playing multiple characters, whether it be for RP, gear up more then one job a time (cause of the lockout), or have more the 3 specialist crafts. Not to share the account.

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Originally Posted by Lexia

Some people like playing multiple characters, whether it be for RP, gear up more then one job a time (cause of the lockout), or have more the 3 specialist crafts. Not to share the account.

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Indeed. I have 3 characters because I wanted to experience all 3 starting cities' storylines. And I happen to like all my toons, so I play all of them. It's a bonus incentive for me to keep playing all 3 due to the specialist limitations. Furthermore, for RP reasons, my characters would reside in different areas. So, I am very against the idea of limiting housing to 1 per account, especially as we cannot share houses with our alts.

The real solution is to have it available for everyone. If they were to limit the housing to 1 per account, it would just be a band-aid--like the relinquishing house implementation. The population is simply too high for what little they set aside.