Pet Glamor System

Is there any word, any where about this system rolling out? I know Yoshi said they were working on it since we won't get new egis, but it would take a bit since they have to work out pet actions to match the glamor. I don't want this project to die. I don't think any of us die hard Summoners want this to be a forgotten project.

*Coughs* scholars want it too *Coughs*

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Originally Posted by Rawrz

*Coughs* scholars want it too *Coughs*

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Your wish is granted you get a life size pixie from Legend the movie.

http://in1.ccio.co/or/Xp/7o/24966837...3bTe7ZoRec.jpg

Everything took a dark turn and the Egis got turned into armor.

(Thanks Canadane for the images)
http://i.imgur.com/cNTBUTY.png
http://i.imgur.com/kZhLQcu.png

I'd make my fairy look very grim.

I would expect they'll make use of the offhand slot;

-Adjust Summon/Summon II/Summon III to require an item equipped offhand, similar to how skills like Shield Bash require a Shield equipped.
-Arcanist now starts with a Carbuncle Ruby, to equip in the offhand slot.
-Scholar now obtains, through quests, Eos Gem and Selene Gem.
-Summoner obtains, through quests, Inferno Gem, Tremor Gem, Vortex Gem.

Carbuncle then needs some new animations;

-Embrace
-Whispering Dawn
-Fey Covenant
-Fey Illumination
-Silent Dawn
-Fey Caress
-Fey Wind

-Crimson Cyclone
-Burning Strike
-Radiant Shield
-Flaming Crush
-Enkindle

Though not necessarily those names, but with that Scholar and Summoner can equip a Carbuncle Ruby and use Carbuncle again, since Carbuncle will be capable of preforming every pet action. New Carbuncle (and Fairy) models are actually very easy to work, because they aren't unique, they're just pallet swaps. Eos and Selene are essentially the same, a Scholar with Eos Gem equipped would summon her for Summon (as currently is the case) and Summon II (which is currently Selene), and that shouldn't take a great deal of work, because the animation are easy to transfer. Different Carbuncles are literally just the same mob with a different paint job, we could probably just dye the Carbuncle Ruby to determine which Carbuncle we get.

Summoner is where it gets difficult. If I equip an Inferno Gem, for example, I'm now only summoning Ifrit-Egi, whether that is for Summon or Summon II, so he needs new animations for the Mage (Summon) and Tank (Summon II) pet types. That creates a lot of work, just for the three existing Egi, plus Carbuncle. I would expect that to be the first step, since it requires the least work. Adding on further Egi just makes things even tougher, but they can come later. If we get a Pet-Glamour system though, all the existing pets need to be interchangeable (sans Egi and Fairies, since they're Job specific). Carbuncle needs to work for all Summoner and Scholar pet animations, Eos and Selene should already work for each others animations, Ifrit-Egi, Titan-Egi and Garuda-Egi all need to work for each Summon type though. Moment Carbuncle and the Egi have those animations, there is no reason we can't see the Pet-Glamour system though, stuff like Ramuh-Egi can be worked on later, we don't really need Ramuh-Egi, Leviathan-Egi and Shiva-Egi in the same patch we get a proper Pet-Glamour system. That would just delay the systems implementation, we certainly want those Egi, but I'm sure we can wait and settle on mixing up the existing pets for now.

The biggest problem I see with all this, is that it is a lot of work for what is essentially a Job specific vanity system... The playerbase as a whole gets little out of this... Solution? Don't make it Job specific. No, I don't mean give all the Jobs pets to glamour, I mean don't lock the Egi/Fairy/Carbuncle to the Arcanist Jobs; Slap them in various pieces of content. It's the Beastmaster approach, having animations for Beastmasters pets isn't a "waste" of resources, because the pets Beastmaster gets are just regular mobs anyone can fight. Do something similar with Egi, have encounters where anyone can go up against the Egi. That way working on these animations isn't of sole benefit to Scholar/Summoner, it adds a new enemy type for everyone.

I think the moment they do that, they can start putting more effort into the Pet-Glamour system and get it too us sooner. It makes the bulk of the Pet-Glamour work unrelated to Pet-Glamours, creating all the Egi and giving them all their animations would be to facilitate new content, rather than just something for Summoner. Something like a Airy model for Scholar could be created for a Bravely Second event, rather than just something for Scholar, for example.

I'm dying to hear about this too. Please don't forget SE.

Please Square Enix, make summoners happy (and scholars too btw), we are tired of wasting our time with summoning flying poop and radioactive chickens that look nothing like Garuda.

SCHs don't really need a pet glamour system in my view. SMNs, sure, if SE's still intent on following through with it (given they said they would add Egis and then recanted on that decision), but SCHs? No need.

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Originally Posted by FeliAiko

SCHs don't really need a pet glamour system in my view. SMNs, sure, if SE's still intent on following through with it (given they said they would add Egis and then recanted on that decision), but SCHs? No need.

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What if they want to change the colours of their fairies ? Like a fabulous blue one ?
If summoners have the pet glamour option, so should scholars.

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Originally Posted by Kupocoubo

What if they want to change the colours of their fairies ? Like a fabulous blue one ?
If summoners have the pet glamour option, so should scholars.

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There's no reason to give it to SCHs simply because SMNs are getting it. They're not the same Job, so there should be no expectation for them to get the same thing.

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Originally Posted by FeliAiko

There's no reason to give it to SCHs simply because SMNs are getting it. They're not the same Job, so there should be no expectation for them to get the same thing.

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There is absolutely no reason not to give Scholar Pet-Glamours... The amount of work that would go into it pales in comparison to the amount of work for Egis... Eos and Selene are basic pallet swaps, and Scholars pet animations are far more basic than Summoners anyway, it would be incredibly easy to, for example, allow Scholars to only ever summon Eos (or rather, Lily) for both Summon and Summon II. Even giving Carbuncle the healer/support pet animations wouldn't be too much of a problem.

On the flip side, giving Carbuncle melee pet animations, plus Enkindle, and then giving each Egi a full set of mage/tank/melee pet animations is a lot of work. The tank and melee pet animations are far more flashy to begin with, plus none of the Egi are simply pallet swaps, they're all unique. You wouldn't be able to just give Ifrit-Egi Rock Buster for his tank animation, because that's unique to Titan. You'd need to work new Egi animations for other moves Ifrit uses (Eruption would be good for a mage Ifrit-Egi version of Aerial Slash, for example).

The whole point of a Pet-Glamour system is to give pet Jobs slightly more customization over their Job, there is absolutely no reason not to give Scholar the same thing. Scholar is a pet Job, and it would be far easier to give Scholar a wide array of pets than it would be to give Summoner the same thing.

I am not against SCH getting it but honestly when it comes to the fairys I never really notice them most time, as best they look like a small glowing ball of light unless I am sitting right there at the boss door waiting on everyone.

The whole point of the Pet Glamour system is SE compensating for the fact that they're not giving SMNs actual new pets despite saying they would throughout all of 2.x. It has nothing to do with SCH and their pets, hence they are not obligated to give that Job the same thing. MCHs have a 'pet' too, so should SE extend the system to that Job by default too? CNJ has an exclusive mount, so should every Healer get an exclusive mount too?

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Originally Posted by FeliAiko

There's no reason to give it to SCHs simply because SMNs are getting it. They're not the same Job, so there should be no expectation for them to get the same thing.

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Yes. Because the title of the topic is called "pet glamor", not "egi glamor".
Anyways, I wouldn't care if Schloars don't get the options because I am not one, but it would seem unfair.

"CNJ has an exclusive mount, so should every Healer get an exclusive mount too? "

It has nothing to do with glamour. Don't compare things that are not related in any ways...

They really need to expand the lore of fairies. They are creations of a Nymian Empire, attached to the scholar's Soul Stone? Why wouldn't we be able to alter her form? Blah blah lost technology. She is Aether. I'm sure there is a necessary plot hole for it. There always is.

But technically, the smn story line essentially says all primals after ifrit are too strong for you to absorb their aether. Should I think they should break that plot hole and give summoners glamours? Yes. Lore is in the past, it can always be updated as time progresses. :)

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Originally Posted by Rawrz

Lore is in the past, it can always be updated as time passes. :)

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Amen :)

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Originally Posted by Kupocoubo

Yes. Because the title of the topic is called "pet glamor", not "egi glamor".

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Yeah, and by 'pet' the OP was referring to SMN Egis - in relation to what SE mentioned on the matter - as seen when you read the original post.

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Anyways, I wouldn't care if Schloars don't get the options because I am not one, but it would seem unfair.

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Unfair to who? SCH's weren't told they would get extra pets only to be shafted, but SMNs were. This is SE's attempt to make it up to them.

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"CNJ has an exclusive mount, so should every Healer get an exclusive mount too? "

It has nothing to do with glamour. Don't compare things that are not related in any ways...

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The point was that just because one Job gets something doesn't mean it has to be then given to every other (related) Job. Even more so when you understand the background behind why they're attempting to make this effort for SMN in the first place (which in my opinion, they shouldn't bother with, but they chose to back themselves into a corner like this so... we'll see if they even follow through in the end).

Carbuncle for everyone, minimum, please. Anything else can come later if it's such a hard task to do.

I wouldn't even care if the Carby looked slightly off with the animations, the spells they use aren't so drastically different to their Egi counterpart to be fair, half of them are just particle effects anyway, with a shot out motion (kinda) and that even goes for most of the Titan/Ifrit moves, so I'd take it barely altered if it's too much work to add a slight difference in animation to their usual casting so the Carbuncle spells look... normal/right/etc (?).

Sorry all, but I am limited on my forum posting knowledge and don't know how to insert the comments of others here. So please bear with me:

Response to Nalien, FeliAiko, Kupocoubo:All of this is surrounding FF lore. Summoners normally have the ability to summon multiple types of Egis, Espers, Gaurdians, which ever term you want to use. This has always been a standard in FF games. In FFXI, the summoners had access to all "primals." FFVII you could attached any summon materia you wanted to your slots, FFX Yuna had every summons available to her, FFVIII, all party members could junction 4 Guardians and summon them giving you access to 12 Guardians at any given time, and so on. Yoshi P and Dev's admittedly rushed the Summoner/Scholor development at the very end to include in ARR because that was a big complaint from 1.0, but did not think of this element. The only thing that I see holding this development back is that we don't include the use of the element wheel in this game, but that still isn't a solid enough reason not to at least give the summoners a glamor system. Heck, I will go back into every Primal Extreme again to earn it if I have to like in other FF games. The use of the off hand slot is a great idea as it is a slot already in place, but no being used.

Secondly, the point that Conjurer has a class specific mount is valid. They gave tanks their own mounts, and I know it was to get more people to tank, but still no other job has a reward for just being that job. So the argument is valid. Tanks got a reward for being a tank, Conjurers got it just to get it. So, why should summoners not have what is truly correct per FF lore? That would also mean that every class having a glamored pet is an invalid argument as well. No other class in FF lore has pets/summons.

As for Scholors, I can see a glamor system in the future, but more lore needs to be developed to make it work. As it sits right now, there isn't enough lore to really generate these glamors. So, like dragoons just got in this expansion, hopefully there will be a couple patches or an expansion (preferably expanison) that will focus on the summoning job, beyond the job quests, to allow for greater lore generation. We can see that Doma will have a focus on Ninjas (since that appears to be their point of original), Al Mihgo will probably focus on Monks (same reasoning thanks to Yda), so let's keep that train rolling on all classes if they are going to continue with a focus per expansion/patch on specific jobs/classes. Patches would probably be better, since there are too many classes versus the number of expansion that will probably come out and they could give each job/class an opportunity for MSQ focus that way (but this is an aside, off topic).

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Originally Posted by GamerChef6

Having pets for all classes does not follow lore, so that probably won't, and in my opinion, shouldn't not happen. Lore is very important to this game.

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Everyone, as in the context of what was being discussed almost immediately in the thread being, SMN and SCH... c'mon now... Having to discern that to you in a thread talking about glamours for the only job in the game with pets.

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Originally Posted by GamerChef6

Having pets for all classes does not follow lore, so that probably won't, and in my opinion, shouldn't not happen. Lore is very important to this game.

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When Astral said everyone I think she meant, Carbuncles for every summon. Not for every class.

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Curse you Ninja >:[

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Originally Posted by Rawrz

When Astral said everyone I think she meant, Carbuncles for every summon. Not for every class.

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Yes, I did. I didn't think having to make that specification in this thread was necessary, but I obviously thought wrong...

Besides... Carbuncle minion.

I can assume Carbuncle could work, dunno what kind of lore or reasoning could have behind it (I guess same as Onyx carbuncles) but I guess just color changing the ruby to allow it to use the attacks of the corresponding summon its suppose to be?

We should be able to glamour minions onto Pets/Egi's. Because I said so. But it won't ever happen because that's too hard.

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Originally Posted by AstralKaos

Everyone, as in the context of what was being discussed almost immediately in the thread being, SMN and SCH... c'mon now... Having to discern that to you in a thread talking about glamours for the only job in the game with pets.

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I am referring to Nalien saying this should work more like beastmaster for all classes and anyone can go out, fight and defeat an egi found in the world and be able to glamor it. That is all that was referring to. See below.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Do something similar with Egi, have encounters where anyone can go up against the Egi. That way working on these animations isn't of sole benefit to Scholar/Summoner, it adds a new enemy type for everyone.

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They are taking their time on Pet Glamour likely because a pet glamour system would only benefit 3 jobs (MCH, SCH and SMN) at most currently. Priority is being given to stuff that will potentially benefit/entertain as many people as possible before things that only benefit a limited number of jobs. I do not doubt they are working on it, but do not think it is their highest priority.

Conjurers got a Mount at 30 because the devs wanted to give players and incentive to level a Conjurer to 30 in order to help other levels to 30 as well (lack of healers pre-30 was an actual fear in 2.0). Tanks got mounts from doing 8 man endgame content in order to give players an incentive to queue as tanks for that sort of content which would help out others trying to do that content. So Pet Glamour does not really compare to the Conjurer/Tank mounts.

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

They are taking their time on Pet Glamour likely because a pet glamour system would only benefit 3 jobs (MCH, SCH and SMN) at most currently...

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I completely get that, but from the onset of the game, there was an expectation from those who enjoy these classes that was not met. I do not want to see this topic stay updated and not fall to the wayside.Hence the reason for my posting.

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

Conjurers got a Mount at 30 because the devs wanted to give players and incentive to level a Conjurer to 30...

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I understand your point and didn't really want to mention the mounts, but since some brought it up I thought I would include it. The point is the dev's DID add rewards for specific classes to make those who play them happy or increase the likelihood that other players will level the class. So, I think there is some relevance when looking at the reasoning for the glamor system especially since this was address back in 2.0 as something that should have been planned from the start and wasn't.

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Originally Posted by GamerChef6

I am referring to Nalien saying this should work more like beastmaster for all classes and anyone can go out, fight and defeat an egi found in the world and be able to glamor it. That is all that was referring to. See below.

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Not what I was saying.

I was saying SE should justify the work put into giving Ifrit-Egi mage/tank skills by having Ifrit-Egi (and all other Egi) be something all players can actively fight.

Then it isn't an adjustment that solely benefits Summoner, because everyone gets a new mob out of the arrangement. Giving the Egi a full set of animations then becomes less about giving Summoner a vanity system (which is honestly not deserving of a large amount of development resources), and more about just preparing a piece of content for everyone (which potentially is). No different than working on a new enemy type for a new dungeon. That could speed up development of such a system, because it no longer means working on these animations (the bulk of the work) benefits a single Class, it benefits everyone.

I wasn't saying every single Job should get them, nor that we should actively find them in the open world and need to defeat them to be able to Glamour them, though they certainly could be part of the Summoner quests to obtain the Glamour. I was simply saying it is easier to justify the development cost if the Egi aren't locked to Summoner. Beastmaster (were it added) is still the only Job that gets to make pets out of random monsters, but Beastmaster could have a plethora of monsters to choose from because no work needs to go into those pets; All the work has already been done, we already have a plethora of monster types to be Charmed. Everyone already fights those monsters in all sorts of content. To a degree this has already been done... Titan-Egi makes an appearance in Titan (Extreme) with some unique animations... Ramuh-Egi shows up in the Ramuh fight as well; They don't need to go "It'll be too hard to design a Ramuh-Egi" at this point, because they already designed a Ramuh-Egi for the Ramuh fight, which is something for everyone, not just for Summoner. They designed Ramuh-Egi for everyone, Summoner still hasn't even gotten him... Apply that kind of thinking to developing a full set of animations for all of them and it is much easier to justify the mountain of work that entails. For example, the new (Hard) dungeons appear to be the new 2.x dungeons, so one expects Snowcloak (Hard) at some point; Make a boss a would-be Summoner with a Shiva-Egi, with a full set of mage/tank/melee animations, and providing Shiva-Egi to Summoner comes off the back of that, rather than making Shiva-Egi for Summoner just being a massive amount of work solely for Summoner. It would still be a lot of work to produce, but no more so than any other dungeon boss really...

As for Scholar... This depends entirely on how you do it... If you Glamour a pet the way I've suggested... You kind of need to work Scholar into the mix anyway (since Summon and Summon II would now require an item equipped to determine what is summoned). Other ways can be worked, of course, but IMO they're inferior... Making use of that offhand slot lets you switch Pet-Glamour on a whim, and we've certainly got enough space in the Armory Chest given how underused offhand is. You could make a consumable, but do you really want to lug Ifrit/Garuda/Titan/Ramuh/Shiva/Leviathan specific Egi-Glamour consumables around? They could make it a conversation with a NPC, but do you really want to visit said NPC every time you want to switch things up? No. Putting it in the offhand slot is by far the most convenient method to work a Pet-Glamour system into the game, and doing that practically begs Scholar to get the same treatment. Like I also said, giving Scholar Pet-Glamours is much less work as well, since healer/support type pet animations are basic, while mage/tank/melee all need to be specific to the Egi. Ifrit-Egi cannot use Rock Buster, we'd need to give him an entirely new animation (for each tank/mage skill). Meanwhile Eos can use Silent Dawn, and Selene can use Whispering Dawn, because Eos and Selene are basic pallet swaps with their action animations being basic. It wouldn't even be hard to let Carbuncle use both skills. Carbuncle who already has mage and tank pet type animations. Given the demand to see Carbuncle again (and no, crappy minions from overpriced merchandise does not count, even if those minions were available for free in game I'd not likely count them...) I see no reason not to throw him into the mix. Giving him melee pet animations is the only real difficulty, healer and support animations are too basic to be much of a challenge. Plus we can get a large variety of Carbuncle types to summon very easily, since no extra work needs to go into animating a red Carbuncle or purple Carbuncle, they're all just reskins of the existing one that use the exact same animations (same goes for Eos and Selene, plus something like an Airy reskin they could work on for a Bravely Second event).

But yeah, my point wasn't that every Job should be able to go out and obtain a pet Egi, it was that SE should work on Egi animations in a smart way, the same way Beastmaster potentially has no problem with having a host of pets complete with animations, because all the monsters already exist, animations and all. Having Shiva-Egi as part of Snowcloak (Hard) means they're doing the regular thing of designing a boss for a dungeon, which is something everyone "benefits" from. Off the back of that, all the work for Shiva-Egi for Summoner can be completed. The alternative is that they take forever, because making a proper Pet-Glamour system is a lot of work to benefit very few players, something like that will never receive a significant amount of development time. They already devout a lot of development time to new dungeons and new bosses/animations for those dungeons though, so why not work something like Egi animations in to kill two birds with one stone? If it fits of course. I could see Shiva-Egi in Snowcloak (Hard) very easily, but other Egi are slightly harder to work into such content. Still, if it can be done, why not? Two birds with one stone, like I said.

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

Conjurers got a Mount at 30 because the devs wanted to give players and incentive to level a Conjurer to 30 in order to help other levels to 30 as well (lack of healers pre-30 was an actual fear in 2.0). Tanks got mounts from doing 8 man endgame content in order to give players an incentive to queue as tanks for that sort of content which would help out others trying to do that content. So Pet Glamour does not really compare to the Conjurer/Tank mounts.

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I'm aware of the reasons behind those rewards, that's not the point. The point was that it's not uncommon for a particular class/job/role to get an exclusive feature/reward that isn't then extended to the rest of the jobs, so SMN will not be unique in that concept. When mentioning the glamour system, it was specifically in relation to SMN, and their Egi, and not any other Job with a 'pet'. Now the reason they alone are going to get this reward (unless SE changes their mind or something) has been mentioned by myself in previous posts, so no need to bring it up again.

Heck, SMN as it stands already have more pets than everyone else, so why is the fact they're going to get even more (albeit via an Egi glamour system) suddenly considered 'unfair' and that SCH/MCH should get the same thing?

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Not what I was saying...

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Ah sorry. Misunderstood you and now that makes complete sense. That would also allow for growth in content. Really good idea! Sorry I misunderstood you.

The other idea I like is that it is based on Extreme Primal clears, that way it applies to existing content and helps those who need/want to clear. You would earn crystals from those battles, and after a said amount is earned, it would be turned in to the Summoner Contact to enhance an offhand tablet or quill or something of that nature. I do believe the glamors should be earned and not just handed out.

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Originally Posted by GamerChef6

Ah sorry. Misunderstood you and now that makes complete sense. That would also allow for growth in content. Really good idea! Sorry I misunderstood you.

The other idea I like is that it is based on Extreme Primal clears, that way it applies to existing content and helps those who need/want to clear. You would earn crystals from those battles, and after a said amount is earned, it would be turned in to the Summoner Contact to enhance an offhand tablet or quill or something of that nature. I do believe the glamors should be earned and not just handed out.

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I toyed around with a similar idea, but in the end I figured it would probably be better just to give Summoner some extra quests for the Austerities of <Element> to get the new Egi, with something like "After mastering Dreadwyrm Trance, your aether has improved and now you can summon Ramuh-Egi!", they'd just need to add relevant offhand items to old quests (doing the Austerities of Fire quest, for example, would give you the item to equip to summon Ifrit-Egi, rather than Summon III being Ifrit-Egi. You'd equip it, and Summon, Summon II, and Summon III would all be Ifrit-Egi). Getting the "old" versions of those items into existing Summoners hands would be a bit of a problem, but we could have three new side Austerities quests (Lightning, Water, Ice) to provide the new Egis.

I have... other... ideas on how to boost old contents relevance... That Primal themed tomestone armor in 3.2 is likely just going to be "Grind some tomestones" to obtain, but I'd have much rather seen old Primal fights drop an item to grant access to new content; So you beat Titan, get an item, now you can face off a group of advanced, Lv60 Kobold Priests, who perhaps throw an advanced Titan-Egi at you, who has melee and mage actions, for example.

Of course, rather than the Austerities of Lightning being effectively the same as the previous three, it could involve a quest where we fight Ramuh a few extra times for Key Items to trade in to allow us to summon Ramuh-Egi, rather than some hand wave solution like I just suggested. We'd expand our aether to allow the rite to take place by beating the old guy several times, or something... Might even make working the existing Egi in easier, since we could have the Austerities of Fire (Hard) to unlock Ifrit-Egi glamour, with an offhand "focus" for the Egi being the solution to the aether problem we encountered when trying Ramuh-Egi (damn that quest was such a tease).

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Originally Posted by Nalien

I have... other... ideas...

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I like this idea! Give that man a cookie!

I'm glad we received news about egi glamour, can't wait to see it happen.
I don't quite share the same sentiment about the "one egi for every role" posted here and the whole offhand reasoning, it's just too much dev work and time for a single class content which ends up benefitting a very marginal playerbase (only summoners and not even all of them), not to mention collateral effects like "Ramuh Stone -8 mil in the market board!" if the system is not handled properly.
New Egis are needed because a summoner should be able to summon every primal he/she defeated to stay true to its fantasy roots and I'm glad we may be receiving it in a few months, however the system should remain simple and intuitive by having a primal fill a role among the existing ones along the lines of:

Caster: Emerald Carby - Garuda Egi - King Moogle Mog Egi -Ramuh Egi - Enkidu Egi- Phoenix Egi- Bahamuth Egi - Warring Triad#3

Tank: Topaz Carby - Titan Egi - Shiva Egi- Bismarck Egi - Alexander Egi - Sephirot Egi

Melee: Ruby Carby - Ifrit Egi - Odin Egi -Leviathan Egi - Ravana Egi - Thordan Egi - Warring Triad#2

After somekind of new quest to summon a new egi we'd only need to have defeated its primal form and then swap our current active egis with somekind of "lore ritual" at some npcs/menus/etc as a workaround to "lore" reasons of our aether being limited to three pets.
Summoners would still need to do optional content like the Triad, Coil, Odin etc if they want to be able to summon specific egis not tied to the main scenario, if that's not enough we could even expand on this by having some Egis glow/look a bit differently if the EX encounter is completed.

Bonus suggestion : having the Egi flashing to its (smaller) primal form during Enkindle would be a nice throwback to oldschool "one hit move" summoners of early Final fantasy titles.

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Originally Posted by IlSire

...however the system should remain simple and intuitive by having a primal fill a role among the existing ones along the lines of:
Caster: Emerald Carby - Garuda Egi...

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Sorry, I know it's been a month since the last post but I vehemently disagree with this suggestion. Some of us want the pet glamours for RP reasons and there sadly exists such thing as an optimal pet-class to use as a summoner for almost all situations in party content (that being the caster class). For example, my twin and I want to use Ravana and Bismarck skins respectively on our summoners. However in your proposed system we will have to sacrifice noticeable DPS output to do so, not to mention in my case it'd interfere with the actual tank's tanking, making some glamours effectively not a practical/possible choice. We do not feel this restriction is necessary. You're free to restrict yourself to your own themes of RP but don't mess with what other people want to do. This is a pet glamour system - let people have their pets look however they want.

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Originally Posted by Luxea

let people have their pets look however they want.

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This will not work like that.

Gear glamour system does not work like that for a reason that was stated already in Letter LIVE (one of the lasts, i don't remember which, sorry, no link for you!). It would require too much space and data storage to implement cross-class glamour.

Same will go with Pets i believe. Caster carbuncle is blue and is marked as caster. using it as a glamour for summon II would be same as glamouring Chaos Cuirass on a Ninja job.

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Originally Posted by Yuni_Queen

This will not work like that.

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This already works for armor glams if you take some time to browse. There are plated armors that casters can use to make themselves look like a DoW. Same goes the other way around. I'll even help you find those: Look for re-skins of dungeon armor that are crafted and says "All Classes". Only the weapons are truly restricted.

As for pets, how much data do you need to implement a small finite set of primals? As someone with an engineering background, I'm gonna say this should dim in comparison to the armor glams; the people coding the game would need to mess up big time to require a significant amount of storage.

I maintain my stance - the appearance of pets need not be restricted. Doing so would defeat the point of the system for quite some players who either A) have a favorite primal (that they can't use as a result) or B) are looking forward to this for RP reasons.

I Like see a system where your summon can evolve in way square enix has done a lot the summons for ff series very different through years. people are complain about pet get lessor powerful my ideal is simple for ffxiv next expansion feature an system where the Egi grown in power but your control grown over them.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/I...al_Fantasy_III
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/T...al_Fantasy_III
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Garuda_(summon)

in next expanson they add job traits and they effect for summoner her Egi

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Originally Posted by Luxea

As for pets, how much data do you need to implement a small finite set of primals? As someone with an engineering background, I'm gonna say this should dim in comparison to the armor glams; the people coding the game would need to mess up big time to require a significant amount of storage.

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Ask Yoshi :P
Maybe something with relational or keys in DB, maybe something with quota.
Your cause is glorious, but you should remember we have little impact on their decisions to be honest. Making things bold just in here won't change much until this will be posted in Questions To Procuders or during Twitch Live.

Oh, and those armors you talk about.
There is only one in entire game that allows you to look like DoW regardless of job. Light Steel Galerus. And this is recreation of dungeon lvl 44 drops. it has level 1 and was made especially becuase of people request.

Rest are level 15 dungeon recreation.
And nothing more than that.
They are still class restricted, since you can obtain them only in Hall of the Novices.

Other level 1 clothes that can be used as glamours are special, and are not recreation of any armor in a game.
Rainbow Bustle, Company Tabard, Falconer's shirt.

There is no DoW armor that can be used as DoM except the thing i mentioned up here.

So no, Myth Busted. :3