Let us trade more then 1 million gil at one time.

It's kinda ridiculous that we can't trade more than 1 million gil at a time.

Most things now cost well over 1 million gil and someone is taking a risk by trading several million gil to a stranger before getting the item. The alternative is the crafter trades the item after the first trade and risks not getting the remainder of the gil.

I think a limit of 10 or 20 million per trade is more reasonable.

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Originally Posted by Puresin

It's kinda ridiculous that we can't trade more than 1 million gil at a time.

Most things now cost well over 1 million gil and someone is taking a risk by trading several million gil to a stranger before getting the item. The alternative is the crafter trades the item after the first trade and risks not getting the remainder of the gil.

I think a limit of 10 or 20 million per trade is more reasonable.

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This limit was put in place partially to mitigate the amount of money that RMTs could exchange without having to go through the process several times. There are other reasons as well, but this is the most prominent reason among them.

Why are you trading more than that without the marketboard...

most people don't want to trade stuff for over a certain amount because of the tax. If SE removed the tax this sort of thing wouldn't be getting asked. Also the fact that practically most things useful costing over 1mil is the game's economy is inflating with no control which is a major sign they are losing the battle against rmt.

I never pay the tax, I refuse. Wow does not have a gold trading limit and that game works just fine. SWTOR does not have a limit on subscribers. Countless other MMORPGs do not have a stupid trade limit. Ill deal with this stupid limit and trade 1 mil gil 10 times if I have to in order to alleviate a tax.

How to get around tax:

Selling - use basic math to add the tax amount to the item you wish to sell. Want to sell something for 100 gil? Sell it at 105 gil.

Buying - warp to city-state where item is located. Buy item. No tax is charged to you.

I know why the limit was put in place. It has done nothing to stop RMT. Now, due to inflation, the 1 million limit is an archaic design. It needs to be increased to keep up with inflation. 1 million was okay back when people barely had that. Now most people have several million gil and 1 million gil is not a reasonable limit.

They should just abolish Gil trading completely. That will snuff out RMT, and tax all the market transactions lowering the inflation rate.

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Originally Posted by Malzian

This limit was put in place partially to mitigate the amount of money that RMTs could exchange without having to go through the process several times. There are other reasons as well, but this is the most prominent reason among them.

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Also trading massive amounts of gil can send suspicions to your character as an rmt gil seller. SE has issues with that stuff and players get banned for no reason because of stuff like that.

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

Also trading massive amounts of gil can send suspicions to your character as an rmt gil seller. SE has issues with that stuff and players get banned for no reason because of stuff like that.

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I have traded massive amounts of gil to my wife who then in turn gave it to my alt for a guild house. I would like to know who else has been banned by doing a legitimate exchange such as myself.

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Originally Posted by Madjames

I have traded massive amounts of gil to my wife who then in turn gave it to my alt for a guild house. I would like to know who else has been banned by doing a legitimate exchange such as myself.

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Wait getting banned for this is a thing! I'll be moving my main to a new server in teh coming days and because i can't take my gil with me, and I can't find a single thing that isn't cheaper on the server I'm moving to, I was going to get a friend to help me transfer my gil to my alt that is remaining on Sarg.

I could end up getting banned for this ?

Why not just buy the Allaghan coins on your server, and then NPC them when you get to your new one? That's what most rich people do.

you could also gain temporary permission to use your FC's gil storage to transfer any amount you wanted to your mule.

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Originally Posted by Yukariko

Wait getting banned for this is a thing! I'll be moving my main to a new server in teh coming days and because i can't take my gil with me, and I can't find a single thing that isn't cheaper on the server I'm moving to, I was going to get a friend to help me transfer my gil to my alt that is remaining on Sarg.

I could end up getting banned for this ?

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I can't really say for certain on that, but I have heard rumors and stories of some players being flagged when they move around/obtain a lot of gil in a short amount of time.

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Originally Posted by Malzian

This limit was put in place partially to mitigate the amount of money that RMTs could exchange without having to go through the process several times. There are other reasons as well, but this is the most prominent reason among them.

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Most RMT stories I've heard about (from buyers, mind you) involved getting the money by overpricing an item on the marketboards. Because nothing is preventing you from charging some millions for an item noone want anyway, and nothing is preventing you from buying that overpriced useless item either.


The 1m gil limit is just useless.

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Originally Posted by Yukariko

Wait getting banned for this is a thing! I'll be moving my main to a new server in teh coming days and because i can't take my gil with me, and I can't find a single thing that isn't cheaper on the server I'm moving to, I was going to get a friend to help me transfer my gil to my alt that is remaining on Sarg.

I could end up getting banned for this ?

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I wouldn't worry too much. I've traded large sums of gil around my Free Company and Square had me change my password before logging in shortly thereafter (I assume as a built in safeguard in case your account was hacked), but a password change was the end of it. Businesses, as a general rule, want to make money and a ban effectively ends the money making, so its unlikely they will ban someone without proper cause.

I think 5 mil is reasonable. 1 miles is definitely a low amount.

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Originally Posted by Chasely

Why not just buy the Allaghan coins on your server, and then NPC them when you get to your new one? That's what most rich people do.

you could also gain temporary permission to use your FC's gil storage to transfer any amount you wanted to your mule.

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I looked into the coins when I was switching servers due to the chaos move. Do you realize how many that would take? And people don't always sell them close to cost. That method is hardly practical.

No? becaue you haven't told us how much gil you have. how could anyone besides you know how many it would take..? It is more practical than losing almost all of your money during the move.

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Originally Posted by raela

I looked into the coins when I was switching servers due to the chaos move. Do you realize how many that would take? And people don't always sell them close to cost. That method is hardly practical.

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As someone who has switched servers I agree. Its incredibly impractical. Not only was there never enough coins on the market but the price was so inflated on most of them I would only get 25% of my millions back. I ended up just buying items that sold for close to the same price or higher. Got 80% or so of my gil back.

Back on topic.

Yes 1 mil is incredibly low and it's not going to stop RMT lol. Just remove or raise the limit. It's so silly.

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Originally Posted by Youkulm

Yes 1 mil is incredibly low and it's not going to stop RMT lol. Just removed or raise the limit. It's so silly.

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Obviously it hasn't stopped them, but it has inconvenienced them. And if they attempt to move more than a the limit, be it multiple trades or what have you, they put a spot light on themselves and their customers. This is the point of the limit and I'm willing to suffer it if it means that.

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Originally Posted by WellFooled

I wouldn't worry too much. I've traded large sums of gil around my Free Company and Square had me change my password before logging in shortly thereafter (I assume as a built in safeguard in case your account was hacked), but a password change was the end of it. Businesses, as a general rule, want to make money and a ban effectively ends the money making, so its unlikely they will ban someone without proper cause.

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Ah, If a GM wanted to talk to about that i'd be more than happy to explain my reasons, hell they can even watch and see it's legit. Most of the gil I've ammased is from dungeon crawling so it's hard earned over the years I've been playing

I looked at allagan coins and clear demimateria all of which on the sarg market boards tend to be around 3 times the vendor resale rate.

If they added a fixed tax at the median of current tax values, then I don't see why not. If they retain no tax value, then yeah it shouldn't be implemented.

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Originally Posted by Chasely

No? becaue you haven't told us how much gil you have. how could anyone besides you know how many it would take..? It is more practical than losing almost all of your money during the move.

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Just to help kill some spread of misinformation.. in order to transfer even 1 million gil, you would need 2,000 silver coins, 400 gold coins, or 100 platinum coins. As of right now, on Cactaur:

Allagan Silver Piece (sells for 500): 13 sellers, only 5 at vendor rate, 57 at 800 gil, 71 at 900, 106 at 1000, 1 at 1 million, 2 at 99,999,999
Allagan Gold Piece (sells for 2500): 1 at 4000, 10 at 5000
Allagan Platinum Piece (sells for 10000): 2 at 500k, 1 at 1 million, 2 at 4 million

Much better alternatives: look for popular crafting mats, materia, and/or shards+crystals+clusters. From my own transfer, I quickly realized it was much better to go for slightly lower value things that sell often. I still have some mats that haven't sold, and the price keeps dropping

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

Obviously it hasn't stopped them, but it has inconvenienced them. And if they attempt to move more than a the limit, be it multiple trades or what have you, they put a spot light on themselves and their customers. This is the point of the limit and I'm willing to suffer it if it means that.

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It also "puts a spotlight" :rolleyes: on people trading to mules, buying runs, buying houses, avoiding taxes. Meaning people who aren't doing anything against the ToS are likely to be hassled. The limit is honestly ridiculous. 10mil is much more reasonable.

And since the subject of taxes came up...

People just go to the town selling the item and you won't get charged taxes.

As for selling to avoid taxes, i'm on one of the largest servers in the game and I RARELY see people avoiding taxes on PF. Maybe 1-2 a day at most.. and with as many people as we have on Gilgamesh, that is not much.

Honestly the taxes are fine. We need more gil sinks, not less.

It is kind of irritating, that limit was frustrating when I was giving my brother gil to buy a housing plot. I was actually worried about SE investigating me or accusing me of being an RMT or something!

Why are you getting traded millions of gil, sounds like OP is trying to get money from RMT

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Originally Posted by Derio

Why are you getting traded millions of gil, sounds like OP is trying to get money from RMT

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Iam not the OP but in the next 3 weeks, I plan to trade my wife 40mil gil. She will then in turn trade that gil to my alt character and buy an FC house.

I have no crafting or gathering profession. I earned that gil from march till now.

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Originally Posted by Derio

Why are you getting traded millions of gil, sounds like OP is trying to get money from RMT

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I've also traded millions recently for items, for a house. Don't presume things about people. :/

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Originally Posted by Derio

Why are you getting traded millions of gil, sounds like OP is trying to get money from RMT

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And this is the thing. The amount of times I heard of people legitimately trading millions of gil can be counted on my hands. On the other hand, with how often RMT make new characters for spamming there has to a substantial level of sales traffic to make getting hundreds of characters banned and lose millions of gil worthwhile.

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Originally Posted by Madjames

Iam not the OP but in the next 3 weeks, I plan to trade my wife 40mil gil. She will then in turn trade that gil to my alt character and buy an FC house..

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Same situtation for me, but less than half that ammount, moving server so don;t want ot loose it, so giving it to an alt i plan on playing too.

We need the tax. Hell we need a way to decrease the gill in the game. Some people are sitting on 2-3 billion gill on balmung since 2010 days. More money sinks.

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Originally Posted by Madjames

I never pay the tax, I refuse. Wow does not have a gold trading limit and that game works just fine. SWTOR does not have a limit on subscribers. Countless other MMORPGs do not have a stupid trade limit. Ill deal with this stupid limit and trade 1 mil gil 10 times if I have to in order to alleviate a tax.

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Actually if you sound enough cash in one go to another character, Blizzard's system will auto lock your account for odd activity. I know one person named TarouWoWGuides had that problem often.

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Originally Posted by Jijifli

Actually if you sound enough cash in one go to another character, Blizzard's system will auto lock your account for odd activity. I know one person named TarouWoWGuides had that problem often.

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WoW solved the problem of gold selling (somewhat) with their WoW Tokens. There's a official source to purchase gold now, using secondary sites now is just risking it.

Every time I see a spam bot sitting unmolested for hours by the market boards doing its spiel, it tells me that SE doesn't give that much of a damn about RMT, and makes the restrictions that were stabs in the dark trying to curtail it but only ended up inconveniencing players all the more unreasonable.

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Originally Posted by LystAP

WoW solved the problem of gold selling (somewhat) with their WoW Tokens. There's a official source to purchase gold now, using secondary sites now is just risking it.

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Which didn't really solve much because Blizzard mostly said, "Hey these people are selling gold, but we aren't making money. That's not right, so we'll make them pay $20 for 20k (Last I checked anyways) that can't go wrong because this way it's legal."

But that's looking it from a, "We want to stop bots" issue, which wasn't actually the case due to one exact character name showing up in trade for months. They did it because their subs were dropping and it's basically a $20 sub if someone pays for it. So they're banking off of it. Remember they didn't mind the first huge drop because they didn't lose much due to the store and areas that had a sub cost increase.

SE does not have the numbers that they supposedly tout as actual subs. 4 million accounts but I doubt more then 1.5 or two million accounts active at most.

Just as a heads up, when you are purchasing big ticket items, look at the symbol for the city that the seller is in. Teleport to that city and buy the item from the market board there and you do not have to pay a tax, all this costs you is the price of a teleport.

Well those RMT are paying for the game so its a love hate relationship, but mostly hate.

I wonder what people buy when they have to trade more than 1 mil gil at once which cant be handled via marketboard

selling companys and houses/plots is forbiden anyway and selling ex primals/savage alex is probably also a grey area, so the devs couldnt care less about it

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Originally Posted by Madjames

Iam not the OP but in the next 3 weeks, I plan to trade my wife 40mil gil. She will then in turn trade that gil to my alt character and buy an FC house.

I have no crafting or gathering profession. I earned that gil from march till now.

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not to call you a liar, but i find it hard to believe that anyone would earn 40 million gil over 7 months from pretty much dungeons alone, seeing as how most mobs give 50-180 gil each.