Enjoy Summoner before it gets nerfed...

http://i.imgur.com/9Uqhv38.jpg

Basically get to instantly kill anyone every minute. Get your aetherflow > pop buffs if up (not really necessary but safer) > Tri-Disaster > fester + nrg drain + painflare > bahamut trance > deathflare... and maybe hit an enkindle but that is just plain overkill at times. It's good AoE tho with deathflare ;O

Can't see this lasting in wolves den if they plan to keep competition in there with the 3.1 patch.

I haven't been killed by a summoner yet (I think) in the new mod. Actyally the job I have killed the most is summoner. At one match it got to a point I couldn't complete the kill 'cause I felt sorry for them.

Hate all the dots they give me though, but I can easily dispel them myself.

Your damage taken is above most others. I'd say it's less 'SMN is op' and more 'People with pockets can dig deep'

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Originally Posted by Pence

Your damage taken is above most others. I'd say it's less 'SMN is op' and more 'People with pockets can dig deep'

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"Main Class
Arcanist Lv 60"

Yeah okay lol

Nah my noct shield makes deathflares weak XD
Just noct noct noct aspected benefic rinse repeat CC smns boom free smn kill. They should get a buff at this rate.

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Originally Posted by Layth

"Main Class
Arcanist Lv 60"

Yeah okay lol

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"Main class
Lancer Lv 50"

Yeah okay lol

Meh they're strong but all the dps classes have strong burst.

p.s. if you're in a 1v1 with a summoner, Purify their dots immediately after they blow Tri-Desaster and their fester will be like "has no effect" AND they won't get a stack of Bahamut's whatever .

I am having fun with SMN at lv60 and wouldn't be surprised if there's a nerf later. The burst damage is amazing. Like you say, if you really want somebody dead, you can dump all your aether stacks quickly, then they realise they are in trouble and start running, but you finish them off with a deathflare. The new tri-disaster and deathflare were just amazing additions to this job.

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Originally Posted by Pence

Your damage taken is above most others. I'd say it's less 'SMN is op' and more 'People with pockets can dig deep'

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Says the Arcanist lol

That SS is photo shopped! We Failstrom never win! XD

Seriously 19/1 says you had a great team. Yea our damage his higher now but if nobody kills you, your damage is going to be through the roof lol.

As for healer, sorry but you are my first target because if I don't drop you fast you'll just heal full up and keep coming. I've played SCH in PVP so I know whats up lol.

SMN has the highest possibility to do burst damage ina a very low frame time, but after they popped all, they have just to wait 1-2 min to get another kill (things change after Battle high/fever).
the major problem is that their burst can 80-90% of times kill very easily a player.
they should limitate this, like put Energy drain, Fester and Painflare in the same cooldown (or atleast Painflare and Fester).
Even If I have some doubt I hope they won't just nerf potency or remove skills, but adjust them, the problem with SMN is that they can use all their sillset all together, another good adjustment would be giving a short cast time to instant skills or make deathflare castable only after 10 sec after you pop Dreadwyrm Trance.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

That SS is photo shopped! We Failstrom never win! XD

Seriously 19/1 says you had a great team. Yea our damage his higher now but if nobody kills you, your damage is going to be through the roof lol.

As for healer, sorry but you are my first target because if I don't drop you fast you'll just heal full up and keep coming. I've played SCH in PVP so I know whats up lol.

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I actually just hung in the back and sniped people every 60 seconds with the combo I mentioned above. Really wasn't a great team...sadly the first 3 games I played my teams were AMAZING... after that it died out and flames weren't immortal anymore :(

My death was caused by a sandwich in the teams and eventually died, getting jumped on by warriors and dark knights in the process -.-

Yeah, I played summoner a few times and you would essentially just erase someone's hp bar before they even realized they were being attacked half the time. I'm not really sure how it compares to the burst of the other classes though.

Summoner's fine the way it is, I actually feel like we're on equal footing with melee players when it comes to 1v1 now. I've duel'd quite a few monks who got within close range of me, where I just came out ahead.

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Originally Posted by Buff_Archer

Summoner's fine the way it is, I actually feel like we're on equal footing with melee players when it comes to 1v1 now. I've duel'd quite a few monks who got within close range of me, where I just came out ahead.

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of course SMN is fine the way its .....

Main Class
Summoner Lv 60


u dont need to be on equal footing with melee because u are ranged , and have the best burst and the best aoe dmg....

enjoy it while it last

Damn i was thinking nerf needed, but never realized, using PURIFY after their tri-disaster actually works. Thanks for the heads up. Because if they nerf summoner next will be my War doing the dbl fell cleave holmgang move. PLZ dont everyone just really needs to use their PvP actions at better times.

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

of course SMN is fine the way its .....

Main Class
Summoner Lv 60


u dont need to be on equal footing with melee because u are ranged , and have the best burst and the best aoe dmg....

enjoy it while it last

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Shhh don't tell people that...

Saw a MCH and a NIN each get about 20 kills each in a match, nerf THEM, not ME I'm harmless!

All the jobs can do pretty crazy burst. SMNs burst is pretty strong because they can do it all while moving, preventing issues with LoS or range that BLM have trouble with.

But played right, PLD, WAR, and all the physical dps can also burst. I would say BLM is actually at the biggest disadvantage in the new mode.

My main job is Miner BTW.

Yes se, please nerf everyone but me. Lvl 60 alchemist

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Originally Posted by morerancor

Yes se, please nerf everyone but me. Lvl 60 alchemist

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Rapid synthesis is OP

Smn burst to ridiculous, I watch my hp go from full to 10% in a blink of an eye. Thankfully alot of smns are crap at the job.

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Originally Posted by PotatoTree

But played right, PLD, WAR, and all the physical dps can also burst. I would say BLM is actually at the biggest disadvantage in the new mode.

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Ha I was toying with a BLM last night near some rocks, I would jump behind one in the middle of his Fire 3 casts to LOS break them. He finally got fed up and swiftcasted Flare on me (yeah I know right?) and it did like 660 damage. Then a node spawned so had to kill him and move on. Though in another match I did get slept with Dreadwyrm Trance up and slept again 1 second later after I used purify so that didn't seem fair. For payback I'm gonna use Garuda to knock some BLM's off their leylines.

MCH got crazy good burst and they might have sustained dps issues in PVE but here that doesn't matter so much. Gotta keep leveling my MCH.

As Caster / healer (SMN is not my main but I love playing it) I agree with some Fix to SMN, it has a lot of skill out of cooldown castable while moving and with an high power.

Anyway I'm checking the Final result and I'm happy to see that up to now there are a lot different jobs among best killer, even tanks (WAR I hate you! :D ), so I'm wondering why we don't see the first 10 spot occupied by SMN, like it happened for BLM in the slaughter cause of flare and Firestarter.

PS. anyway SMN at the actual state are decently counterable via Purify or if you receive even just 1 heal, after they bursted they have a huge lack of DPS.

Caster's being called OP in this game... somethings never change.

I haven't PvP'd in a while but I'm fairly certain two things haven't changed. Any melee attack will interrupt any caster (as if to say melee players are too dumb to use CC abilities). And, a summoner's burst is telegraphed a mile away. Find a healer that cleanses DoTs and your SMN problems will go away.

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Originally Posted by Red_Wolf

And, a summoner's burst is telegraphed a mile away. Find a healer that cleanses DoTs and your SMN problems will go away.

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Not anymore.

SMN has an All-DoTs-In-One-Button ability which has cooldown that aligns well with their other CDs. There's no more setup, really. With proper CD usage, they can now achieve their full burst in a few GCDs. Often times, you'll be at half health before you can react, and dead before you can run to or away from the SMN.

Granted, that's with all their CDs available. And most classes have that kind of burst potential on single target when they have their full array of CDs, so I won't comfirm or deny how OP SMN is right now.

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Originally Posted by Vandril

And most classes have that kind of burst potential on single target when they have their full array of CDs. . .

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nuff said.
/10char

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Originally Posted by Gooner_iBluAirJGR

nuff said.
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Not really. What I posted is only an observation of one aspect of the overall balance situation involving SMN: DMG:TIME potential in burst.

Most classes have that kind of burst potential. But most of them could not do it so easily from a range without any realistic counter aside from simply not being targeted from them to begin with, and with a huge AoE nuke as part of their single target burst.

I'm not saying that SMN is overpowered, but neither am I saying it's perfectly balanced. They're just not so badly overpowered as some people are making them out to be.

Summoner DPS is brutal and that's just knowing the simple fact that most of their burst attacks are hard hitting, instant skills coming from a ranged class which can sprint freely. Anyone and everyone should realize how that is no good. I target these guys just after healers and it's a lip biting choice to make.

On the topic of CD's, taking into account the above and the fact that summoner can stack aetherflows to mitigate some of their larger CD's and I think they are better off than a lot of the other dps classes.

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Originally Posted by Guesswhat

I haven't been killed by a summoner yet (I think) in the new mod. Actyally the job I have killed the most is summoner. At one match it got to a point I couldn't complete the kill 'cause I felt sorry for them.

Hate all the dots they give me though, but I can easily dispel them myself.

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Well, now I've been killed a few times by summoner. Dot hell -> burst -> dead

Every dps job get their new burst abilities 50 - 60. We also need more burst now because healers have more burst healing too. Whm have their own "lustrate" with 1min cd and astro one with 40sec cd that almost heal full hp if you are low hp. Tri disaster have also one weakness it does not do healing reduce effect like normal miasma effect. It is harder heal manually casted dots than tri disaster ones.

Remember that time when BLMs were OP as hell in Slaughter so they nerfed them to make PvP great and balanced?

Oh wait...

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Originally Posted by PotatoTree

Remember that time when BLMs were OP as hell in Slaughter so they nerfed them to make PvP great and balanced?

Oh wait...

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Black mages are pretty balanced for wolves den, any balance change should be considering wolves den balance, not FL

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Originally Posted by PotatoTree

Remember that time when BLMs were OP as hell in Slaughter so they nerfed them to make PvP great and balanced?

Oh wait...

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You're going to get me all worked up again. I just came back and here we go with this again...

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Originally Posted by Guesswhat

Well, now I've been killed a few times by summoner. Dot hell -> burst -> dead

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That's indeed how it works with a SMN. It's a burst machine every minute or so. But if you can interupt his flow or get him after he unloaded a bunch on an unfortunate teammate, he'll die if not heavily supported. And even if he's healed, he'll be useless with no stacks.

Also, if anything, MNK are a great counter against SMN (probably the best counter tbh).

Shoulder Tackle his face right after you get hit by Tri-disaster, use the stun time to cleanse all your debuffs if available, stun him again with Steel Peak, and then One Ilm Punch him (may need a few uses) to make him completly useless (loss of Aetherflow or Bahamut stacks = dead SMN), then proceed to finish him. Weapon Throw if he tries to sprint away. Use Somersault or Perfect Balance for instant One Ilm Punch fun.

Want a faster kill on a SMN with some battle buffs? Shoulder Tackle > Limit Break. Problem solved.

I'm a SMN myself, and I can easily say that MNKs are one of my primary target just for that reason. I usually have to kill them ASAP or else I'm dead.

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Originally Posted by Sunako

Every dps job get their new burst abilities 50 - 60. We also need more burst now because healers have more burst healing too. Whm have their own "lustrate" with 1min cd and astro one with 40sec cd that almost heal full hp if you are low hp. Tri disaster have also one weakness it does not do healing reduce effect like normal miasma effect. It is harder heal manually casted dots than tri disaster ones.

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Taking on a healer isn't a one man job anyways so scaling dps for one class based on how much a healer can heal will just break that class when it fights anything else.

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Originally Posted by Monoman

Taking on a healer isn't a one man job anyways so scaling dps for one class based on how much a healer can heal will just break that class when it fights anything else.

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While true, ideally, a designer would want to keep the damage and healing of DPS and Healers comparatively similar, otherwise one or the other role becomes overpowered compared to the other.

Wouldn't be fair to nerf SMN now, with me having stocked up on all that Realm Reborn Red. Had a free moment tonight to share a bottle with some lalafell warrior after I survived his fell cleave and deathflared him.

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Originally Posted by Monoman

Taking on a healer isn't a one man job anyways so scaling dps for one class based on how much a healer can heal will just break that class when it fights anything else.

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All jobs should be balanced around 4v4 wolves den. If you start balancing 1v1 everybody, it will be endless circle and somebody will be always op and somebody underpowered. 4v4 will have rated rankings in 3.1 so it is only place where balance actually matters. If healers can easily keep everybody up, fight will last 4ever and it is not fun either.

I wouldnt have problem of summoners burst if they droped equaly fast, 3 skill arrows and they are dead. There clearly is problem if they can pretty much oneshot from such a great range. They are unpenalized snipers of this game. While PVP is last saving grace of enjoyment in this game it still shows that PVP here is slapped there to just be. Rng should absolutly have no place in PVP. RNG in pvp shows that devs have zero exp what pvp realy means, their choice of rng in seize is inexcusable. Most fun for me in seize is droping a summoner, i let out chear every time i kill someone.

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Originally Posted by gzuscry

I wouldnt have problem of summoners burst if they droped equaly fast, 3 skill arrows and they are dead.

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That's silly.
SMN have to use all their cooldowns and burn all of their stacks to kill one dude. Besides, it doesn't work on Tanks and on good Healers.
After that, they're just deadweights waiting to be killed, using some Ruin II and sprinting away because they can't do anything else.

So, yeah, I don't think killing a person per minute and being somewhat just annoying the rest of the time causes a balance issue to the point where they should die in 3 Heavy shots.