Boring Endgame

I beat all of the coils (t1-t13) before they got nerfed and will probably end up finishing alex savage before nerfing as well.. anyways it dawned on me and a few friends the other night..

endgame in 14 is pretty boring.
wish SE would have spiced it up with HW.

But .. seems like more of the same from 2.x..

would be nice to have something challenging to do.
Current game is like
1. grind tomes
2. learn raid
3. get weekly loot
4. grind hunts
5. repeat.
thats it..
on top of that, there isnt much uniqueness about the loot.
do something please SE

Although I personally don't mind the current state in which square is approaching the end game (taking from the 2.X patches) I do wish they would add a little more variety in the end game raiding. As cool as the binding coils was, I wish it would have ended a little quicker and they would have done something else. I'm hoping that Alexander isn't going to be the main raid throughout all of heavensward.

But as it stands, I don't really have issues finding things to do, mind you I try and take advantage of everything the game has to offer (crafting, all the side quests). With the amount of time I have to put into the game vs what they release in content patches I easily get my moneys worth. But that's just me.

I can see how it might be a little dry for those who just focus on the end game raiding.

Sounds like a Themepark MMO to me...OH WOOPS! WE ARE in a Themepark MMO....

1. Drink beer
2. Find someone to laugh at
3. Wander around some more
4. Get another beer
5. Get into dungeon run, tell everyone "come with me if you want to live"
6. BRB, restroom run before final boss
7. Get another beer
8. Kill it, laugh with everyone, "have a great nite all"
9. Repeat.

I don't fault you for feeling this way. Mmos largely exist to waste time. But this is similar to 2.0 in content but there is more with all of the old game. For you there isn't much to do if all you do is Endgame. And I understand that.

Endgame is tough to mete out because you have to make it worth it and currently all we chase is just i level.

you cleared t1-13 before getting bored.

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Originally Posted by Malevicton

you cleared t1-13 before getting bored.

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actually been bored then to, it got to the point log in > raid > log out > next week repeat lol

It is what it is, a theme park MMO. It's great for people who does not play every single day for 6-8 hours. But I can see those who play longer hours can get bored rather quickly. This game is heavily catered to casuals who logs in and play for 3-4 hours at most, and probably not every day either. For those players, this game is more than plenty with variety of things to do.

Not sure what you are looking for, if you have an idea for something different the mmo genre would love it since AMMO, MMORPG, whatever has very similar get to max level, gear for raid, do raid for more gear, rinse and repeat. Some games have a PvP option that turns into get some maps everyonce in a while or get new gear that you need to grind out which once again many people get tired of it. I tend to switch on and off with games to not do one thing too long. I also don't play video games as much as many people, so FFXIV has enough content to keep me happy, but that is as a casual. I think wildstar tried to be almost completely focused on hard end game and they learned that hardcore raiders an mmo cannot sustain,

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Originally Posted by justinjarjar

I think wildstar tried to be almost completely focused on hard end game and they learned that hardcore raiders an mmo cannot sustain,

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For me personally, the issue with Wildstar had nothing to do with difficulty or end-game and entirely to do with their class and skill balance and interrupt meta.

As for the OP. I can relate somewhat, I was hoping for a bit more in expansion.

I swear that I read Yoshi said that 2.0 was to get the basics and 3.0 would spice things up. In that, I was expecting end-game to be more varied and try new things, gear to be more interesting (new stats, gear sets and a bit more horizontal progression), possibly adding job customization/traits etc. So far I haven't seen 3.0 spice things up and it seems to largely be a repeat of what we're used to. The usual counter-argument is why would you expect it to change? My answer is because they said it would.

I think everything aside from Endgame is spiced up in 3.0.

And did Yoshida mean All of 2.0 or just 2.0? I'm all for seeing how all of 3.0 will flesh out. I mean It did just come out.

You could go back and do undersized party clears of Coils and Ex Primals or you could level and clear the end-game content with a different job/role.

Sure the format is generally the same but you can approach it and challenge it in different ways to try to make it fun again.

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Originally Posted by SonTensei

actually been bored then to, it got to the point log in > raid > log out > next week repeat lol

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This is a you problem, there's so much to do in this game I can't imagine being bored.

You might just not enjoy the things this game offers. I'm always crafting, gathering, doing stuff at gold saucer, helping people get primal clears, playing triple triad, leveling...it's rare I'm actually standing still.

That was kinda the point what new thing? I agree it would be nice if the developers added something new, but for the most part no one has come up with much. The whole adding skill trees and making people farm multiple sets of gear is less casual friendly which FFXIV has been very casual friendly and I do not see that changing. Not to mention that it would still not be enough for OP and would barley give you more game time. I don't have anything, but within the toybox we have what do you want added to spice things up and stay casual friendly? I think better PvP which they just announced more stuff, lets see if it sticks, since the other PvP things did not.

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Originally Posted by justinjarjar

That was kinda the point what new thing? I agree it would be nice if the developers added something new, but for the most part no one has come up with much. The whole adding skill trees and making people farm multiple sets of gear is less casual friendly which FFXIV has been very casual friendly and I do not see that changing. I don't have anything, but within the toybox we have what do you want added to spice things up and stay casual friendly? I think better PvP which they just announced more stuff, lets see if it sticks, since the other PvP things did not.

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Adding skill trees and multiple gear sets can definitely be added in a casual friendly way - Guild Wars 2 did just this. That said, I don't want a carbon copy of Guild Wars 2, I quit that game for a reason :P

Ideas to make things more interesting:
- Have more than just 1 raid, imagine if we only had 1 dungeon to queue into.. ugh
- Have the raid have proper AI so it's not just memorizing a dance, and is actually challenging every time
- Have competitions, nothing keeps things interesting like a good old fashion competition. This could be simple leader boards for completion times on Savage etc
- Add non-raid open-world challenges for glamour purposes (Similar to Odin/Behemoth, but limited in party size - creature spawns for a party member maybe, as they are just mass zerg fests and make the glamours actually more appealing)
- Add replayability to previously played story content (go to your journal, select a quest and hit activate to reply the story)
- Add end-game content that is not simply a boss fight or pulling trash, but that gives you a sense of adventure and a journey.

I am sure I could think of more, but right now that's all I got.

If you want an MMO that has intricate endgame gameplay, requires you to spend hours calculating strategies, and has a high risk/reward option, you should be playing something like EVE Online.

XIV is the jack of all trades of MMOs now - a little bit of endgame, a little bit of PVP, a little bit of solo work like crafting/gathering, a lot of story that comes in chunks every month or two.

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Originally Posted by SonTensei

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I agree with your post, but I'm pretty sure endgame is far from being the focus of SE with FFXIV atm. It is just here for the sake of being here.

If you played stuff like everquest, WoW, FFXI or other old MMO you know that FFXIV endgame cannot really be considered as raiding (even though it is not necessarily easy). I'm pretty sure a lot of gamers who are raiding in FFXIV currently do so because, currently, the traditionnals raiding games are growing old and no new similar games are being released.

I hated GW2 skill system just so you now >.< (GW FTW still my fav skill system in an mmo). Also GW2 was pretty much I play 2hander sword and single sword/pistol Mesmer and I had like one or two choices for talent tree (more one or the other weapon choices). If switched gear maybe I could change the trees, but it did not really add anything to the game. Regardless raids get played less than dungeons (which is why you see less). Second one sounds like a deff cool idea. Third one is kinda whatever most people will not care and the few that do will love it (me being someone who could careless). Would love a few more odin/behemoth fates. I think the story idea would be really nice they already want me to play one or two characters, let me redo story for exp and the joy of redoing the great story. That last one is what I was mentioning I think GW2 has a few things like jumping puzzles (I tired one and gave up but I know people that loved them.). I think if an mmo could come up with good endgame mmo unique content that was not just a raid it would rock.

I 100% agree Justinjarjar, GW1 amazing skill system, GW2 I also hated. My point was that people did it while catering to casuals, not that I like how they did it :P

I did love GW2 Jumping Puzzles (the thing they did the best imo) and that would be a great addition to FFXIV. I definitely think that end-game doesn't have to mean raiding, but right now I am not loving the alternatives. Triple Triad, Gold Saucer, Chocobo racing, Sightseeing, Crafting, Gathering, Hunts are all extremely boring to me. I'm at the point that I log in, jump in circles around the goblet/idyllshire while chating for 1 hour, maaaaybe do a roulet, maaaaybe do a run of Alex and then log out.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

I 100% agree Justinjarjar, GW1 amazing skill system, GW2 I also hated. My point was that people did it while catering to casuals, not that I like how they did it :P

I did love GW2 Jumping Puzzles (the thing they did the best imo) and that would be a great addition to FFXIV. I definitely think that end-game doesn't have to mean raiding, but right now I am not loving the alternatives. Triple Triad, Gold Saucer, Chocobo racing, Sightseeing, Crafting, Gathering, Hunts are all extremely boring to me. I'm at the point that I log in, jump in circles around the goblet/idyllshire while chating for 1 hour, maaaaybe do a roulet, maaaaybe do a run of Alex and then log out.

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I mean off topic but I hated what GW2 did to Mesmer. I love the lore of that game but the game-play drove me away. I also loved PvP in guildwars the only other PvP I did as an endgame option was WoW and I got bored of that in about a month.

Honestly I dislike the weekly caps on everything.

Like, argh.... I clear Alex once a week and then what?

What am I to do?

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Originally Posted by SovereignAegis

Honestly I dislike the weekly caps on everything.

Like, argh.... I clear Alex once a week and then what?

What am I to do?

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while the way you and others play is fine. its just ff14 is more than just raids and having end game raids. Having end game raiding is one of many things ff14 offers. its just like you and many others - its the only thing you find the most fun/rewarding so to keep the population stable and keep guys like you subbed up..lockouts of some kind are needed.

to OP- of course ur bored- the king of end game raiding in ff14 is not even released yet- so that explains it.


I don't know know of any mmo that only has end game raiding- maybe - Wow- perhaps thats more your type of game

Guild Wars I was the second best MMO behind WoW at its peak. I played Guild Wars II for 15 minutes and never logged in again. Obviously the development team made a huge blunder there because they should have made GWII similar to GWI. GWI featured a horizontal gear progression so you'd never have to chase ilvl and get bored after getting your gears. FFXIV needs to change it up. Make the boss mechanics random so that when I come back to the fight, I don't have to follow abc and repeat the exact same thing every time. It's ridiculous they still would not change that. New contents make old contents obsolete. Everyone is doing the new primals and no one does the old primals anymore. Give titles to the number of primals defeated. Make titles give something meaningful like a buff to a skill. I guarantee everyone will be out doing old contents farming titles to buff their skills.

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Originally Posted by SovereignAegis

Honestly I dislike the weekly caps on everything.

Like, argh.... I clear Alex once a week and then what?

What am I to do?

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Nothing.
inb4: YOU RUSHED TO 60.
Yea the rest of us who has been 50 for years, and even casually got to 60 has nothing to do.
2 dungeons spam to do Alex and be bored. Feels like the start of 2.0 again. It'll get better as time goes on.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

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you may want a fake choice but i sure don't. skill trees are nice fluff to look at like hey look i could use these worthless skills but naaah.

more raids = longer between patches and i personally like how things are.

completion times for people? sure no harm there.

we already have these non raid open world things they are hunts/maps we have both versions (limited/not limited)

replaying story would be nice just no exp (as it goes against what the devs want)

the reason why the end game raids are short is because time restrictions SE wants to keep them in a certain time frame so making a long raid lowers the already low raid pool.

(not invalidating your opinions just throwing my thoughts into it)

OOPS! i forgot one part (random ai) with bosses having a more reactionary mechanics (where what they do next isn't set) their damage goes down, you would only be trading set hard set mechanics for easy weak mechanics. (mountain buster now does 50% less damage because he can use it multiple times heck it would prolly do less)

I think you are missing the point of endgame.
Raids and stuff? thats blurgh

Cute pink skirts, thats the real end game!

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

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1. Fake choice, doesn't have to be that way. I am sorry you feel that way. If it was that way, then there would be one clear choice between SCH and SMN, there would be one clear choice between STR and VIT on tanks. There isn't.

2. I like the content patches scheudle, but I'd rather have a variety of stuff than everything in one area. Like coil, we had 13 turns of coil. I would have preferred much less turns and then other raids with different themes elsewhere. Same development time, but variation.

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4. The current hunt system is a zerg fest, I specifically said this would be limited to your party via spawning

5. Agreed, though having exp on your alternate jobs would help make leveling secondaries more interesting. Grinding fates/dungeons is pretty lame.

6. I am not saying remove short end-game raids, I am saying add in stuff that includes a journey with it (or at least some sense of adventure). However, I agree that the reasoning behind the short end game raids makes sense.

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1 not sure if you are referring the jobs as skill trees or not. so not 100% how to reply there is no choice between sch/smn because you can have both, with skill tree we would get say 100 points and put them into either tree.

tanks have a pretty clear choice, have enough hp? yes? get str. no? get hp. most content is easy enough that it doesn't matter, but get into raids and people start caring what stats you have.

2 so like the first 4 turns is coil the next four is alex then the last 4 is a new one again? the stories would be shorter and probably not that good. (last part only matters if you care for the story)

4 well i did say maps and hunts. which one is limited and one isn't i personally like both.

5 could always get another way to get some exp (no idea just a suggestion) we got dungeons/fates/side quests course side quests run out (maybe repeatables? sorta like leves/like beastmen but not limited)

6 didn't mean to imply you wanted them removed i just meant to say they are short for players who want to raid but can't do raids that take a long time (once again not learning long just actually doing it)

1. The SMN / SCH is my point that you can have a base class and then have them work completely different by specializing and still keep balance. It doesn't have to be a skill tree like WoW, just some sort of customization so not everyone is the same. If every class had the same thing as SCH/SMN treatment, I'd be happy. Also that's exactly my point about the vit/str, there is a clear choice, but it's situational.. It's not that they ALWAYS pick one or the other, so there is no illusion of choice, it's just smart and bad ones depending.

2. Shorter story is not necessarily bad. Take Tam Tara Deepcroft Hard mode for example.

If you get bored of FF then move on to another game for a bit and come back when you want. The game is still there when you come back. As for me I am having too much fun with the end game content.

Housing, Gold Saucer, Triad, Choco Racing, Glamour Hunting, Minion Hunting, Crafting, Gathering, Exploring, Hunts, leveling alts, Gardening, Talking to my FC and that is not even my end game content coming up next week.

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Originally Posted by SonTensei

I beat all of the coils (t1-t13) before they got nerfed and will probably end up finishing alex savage before nerfing as well.. anyways it dawned on me and a few friends the other night..

endgame in 14 is pretty boring.
wish SE would have spiced it up with HW.

But .. seems like more of the same from 2.x..

would be nice to have something challenging to do.
Current game is like
1. grind tomes
2. learn raid
3. get weekly loot
4. grind hunts
5. repeat.
thats it..
on top of that, there isnt much uniqueness about the loot.
do something please SE

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Maybe you need to go out more and play less? i mean not everyone is done and feels it's boring as you call it

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

For me personally, the issue with Wildstar had nothing to do with difficulty or end-game and entirely to do with their class and skill balance and interrupt meta.

As for the OP. I can relate somewhat, I was hoping for a bit more in expansion.

I swear that I read Yoshi said that 2.0 was to get the basics and 3.0 would spice things up. In that, I was expecting end-game to be more varied and try new things, gear to be more interesting (new stats, gear sets and a bit more horizontal progression), possibly adding job customization/traits etc. So far I haven't seen 3.0 spice things up and it seems to largely be a repeat of what we're used to. The usual counter-argument is why would you expect it to change? My answer is because they said it would.

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Oh really? Show us Proof o.o I know this is cliched but hey still valid

I also

-level alt classes
-Triple Triad
-Tend to my chocobo
-collect minions

I don't disagree that more to do is always nice, but as an admittedly new player I am finding enough to keep occupied. Then again I came here from a game that has no endgame outside raiding at all so...

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Originally Posted by Hypie

Sounds like a Themepark MMO to me...OH WOOPS! WE ARE in a Themepark MMO....

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Funny I usually have fun at Themeparks >_>;

But frankly after understanding the definition of a "Themepark MMO", it feels more like an insult to the game than an endearment.

your complaints can be applied to every game that was ever made.

Checkers, move, jump, repeat
Chess, move, capture, repeat

Dungeons and Dragons, roll character, run content/modules, repeat (yes, even applies the pen and paper version with homebrew rules/modules)

Find other things that interest you, either in or out, of the game and work your way through them. You find your own enjoyment. When something isn't enjoyable, leave it behind and do something else.

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Originally Posted by Reaperking386

Housing, Gold Saucer, Triad, Choco Racing, Glamour Hunting, Minion Hunting, Crafting, Gathering, Exploring, Hunts, leveling alts, Gardening, Talking to my FC and that is not even my end game content coming up next week.

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That's not much different than 2.0, is it?
I mean, isn't it fair to expect something new from an expansion? HW is not supposed to be just a patch.
They're done fixing 1.0. A bit of creativity wouldn't hurt.

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Originally Posted by Aezelas

That's not much different than 2.0, is it?
I mean, isn't it fair to expect something new from an expansion? HW is not supposed to be just a patch.
They're done fixing 1.0. A bit of creativity wouldn't hurt.

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All that was expanded in 3.0 though.

I am having unlimited amount of fun o.o don't know about you thou..... I can't wait to level all my class to 60 they all play so differently now

Haven started on crafting yet too...

But maybe you just play too much or just only play one class and wait for new content...

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Originally Posted by Janhyua

I am having unlimited amount of fun o.o don't know about you thou..... I can't wait to level all my class to 60 they all play so differently now

Have started on crafting yet too...

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So im not the only one who waits for that exp fix so you dont have to grind a damn week whole day for 6 lvls yes? Nice to know. Srsly the EXP is so bad for alt Classes i stopped on 54...

I agree that end-game is kind of boring. The very few is extremely linear and not too satisfying. I wish they would add more kinds of variety to it. Then again, it might not be worth the time since each major update makes everything before it almost irrelevant.