Estinien [SPOILER]

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So do you think Estinien will live to be part of future events (most likely just minor side events) or die in 3.X era Main Storyline? As of now there is only two outcomes with Estinien's fate now being either life or death.

His body is only possessed by Nidhogg so it may be possible to save him if we can find a way to remove Nidhogg's eyes influence on him but then again we may be forced to kill Estinien so we can kill Nidhogg for good.

So I'm beating Estinien may die in 3.X era.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

WARNING: This is a spoiler discussion.

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So do you think Estinien will live to be part of future events (most likely just minor side events) or die in 3.X era Main Storyline? As of now there is only two outcomes with Estinien's fate now being either life or death.

His body is only possessed by Nidhogg so it may be possible to save him if we can find a way to remove Nidhogg's eyes influence on him but then again we may be forced to kill Estinien so we can kill Nidhogg for good.

So I'm beating Estinien may die in 3.X era.

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I have a very simple answer for that (see Spoiler)

As I heard Estinien is still in the dragoon quest as nanamo was still in the cul quest, so i would assume he is comming back

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Originally Posted by Tam_Hawkins

I have a very simple answer for that (see Spoiler)

As I heard Estinien is still in the dragoon quest as nanamo was still in the cul quest, so i would assume he is comming back

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Well you have to treat the level 30 to 50 Job quests as past events that happened before 3.0. When you do the DRG lvl 30 to 50 Job quest the dialogue is set to 2.0 era so playing the DRG lv 30 to 50 quest in 3.0 will not change the event nor dialogue.

By default the level 30 to 50 Job quest is happening during 2.X era before the events of 2.55.

It is a bit of a issue other players are finding unconfortable with since the lvl 30 to 50 Job quest are set to be happening in 2.X era so that part of the Job storyline is out of consistency with the timeline events but guess that is what happens when a side-character suddenly becomes a Main Character of the storyline.

Makes me wonder how will they handle Widargelt if 4.0 is the story arc for Ala Mhigo.

I'm thinking we'll end up killing Nidhogg in 3.something (maybe 3.55) which will result in Estinien's death. But who knows after they pulled that Nanamo stunt?

I'm certain he's either going to live or he's going to die. I can promise you that it's one of those two.

Bring him back for 4.0 dragoon story the 3.0 one sucked.

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Originally Posted by Atlaworks

I'm certain he's either going to live or he's going to die. I can promise you that it's one of those two.

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no offense, but that's an worthless reply.

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Originally Posted by Furiea

no offense, but that's an worthless reply.

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No offense, but you really need to pick up on subtle undertones. Of course it is, that's the bloody point.

I have a strong feeling we aren't done with our elf friends yet.

Those being Ysayle, Haurchefant and Estinien

Estinien is now fused into Nidhogg and may or may not also have Lahabrea lodged in his face. It will be an...interesting future for sure.

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Originally Posted by justinjarjar

Bring him back for 4.0 dragoon story the 3.0 one sucked.

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I put a bit of the blame on the limits they put for Job story Quest.

lvl 30 to 50 Job Story Quest is the Apprentice Arc of each Job storyline where we are still training. While we're training as a apprentice our character is faced a trial that puts him or he on a Test that would determine if he or she is worthy to be called that certain Job.

lvl 51 to 60 Job Story Quests is, what I call, the Master Arc where our character is now a Master of the specific Job. Due to this we are no long going through a trial like a apprentice but must discover forgotten secrets, learn from being a Master ourselves by training our own apprentice, or self train ourselves to obtain the lvl 51 to 60 skills.

This kind of makes me worried how they will handle the lvl 61+ Job story Quest because from how each Job storyline ends in lvl 60 our character is now the rank of Grandmaster of that specific Job. This put into question what each Job will have to face as a Grandmaster of the Job or can meet a threat suited of a Grandmaster of the specific Job.

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

I have a strong feeling we aren't done with our elf friends yet.

Those being Ysayle, Haurchefant and Estinien

Estinien is now fused into Nidhogg and may or may not also have Lahabrea lodged in his face. It will be an...interesting future for sure.

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Hi.

If they start bringing back people who are dead then this game sucks ass at storytelling. Hauchy literally took a spear thing into the stomach. He wasn't even that important of a character
and no one cared about him and even thought he could be a traitor after all this happened. He is dead, on a grave near Ishgard. Let the man rest in peace.
Ysayle got blasted plenty of times and fell into the skies. Please do not bring people who are 'dead' back. I love those 2 characters but it's better storytelling that way.
They ruined Nanamo's story, big time and I love her. Glad she's back, but oddly enough I'd be happier if she died, and Rauhbahn turned crazy or something. The whole Ul'dah story
was pretty terribly written in this patch. People become too sympathetic and never want a 'bad ending' like Edda...Do not give Edda a happy ending. More lil' shorts of her is alright but nothing more.
This game suffers from 'This really really sucks' and has done pretty well so far, despite the Ul'dah thing...I cried on Hauchy. ><

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Originally Posted by Atlaworks

You take that back. Haurchefant was the most important character. To me.

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He wasn't nothing up until 3.0 where his death was all of the sudden "OMG THIS BRO". Now people love him and want him back.

Stuff.

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Originally Posted by Mhikail

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You take that back. Haurchefant was the most important character. To me.

One of the stated goals of the NPCs is now to somehow rescue Estinien, so I'm gonna toss my pennies in that he survives somehow.

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Originally Posted by Mhikail

Hi.

If they start bringing back people who are dead then this game sucks ass at storytelling. Hauchy literally took a spear thing into the stomach. He wasn't even that important of a character
and no one cared about him and even thought he could be a traitor after all this happened. He's my fave NPC.
Ysayle got blasted plenty of times and fell into the skies. Please do not bring people who are 'dead' back. I love those 2 characters but it's better storytelling that way.
They ruined Nanamo's story, big time and I love her. Glad she's back, but oddly enough I'd be happier if she died, and Rauhbahn turned crazy or something. The whole Ul'dah story
was pretty terribly written in this patch.

Bye.

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I didn't say they weren't dead, I said we may not be done with them. Ysayle has the whole Chosen of Hydaelyn thing going on. Haurchefant is dead for sure but we don't know where his body is (It's NOT the memorial near Dragonhead) and he could come back via Ascian possession or by his big dumb family Primal-ing him back since we haven't seen Unicorn/Ixion/Monoceros/Shadhavar whatever yet. And it debuted alongside Bismarck and the Warring Triad in the original games. Either way he's dead and it's just some aberration in his place.

I mean.

His body is MIA and if you go back to the Fortemps household in Ishgard after the MSQ there is NOBODY there from his family, just two servants, Tataru and Alphinaud. Where...where is the family? They're just at a funeral in mourning right? They're not collecting crystals or something? I mean those brothers were idiots and the father was pretty broken up.... Game.... Hey, hey, game, come back...

I hope they leave those two be, though, since the sudden "aliveness" of Nanamo kinda annoyed me. I know SE is aware of the popularity of the characters so hopefully, if they want to bring them back into the story it will just be some quest that involves the memory of them/finding something of theirs (which, by the way, I would also classify as "not done with"), rather than them coming back .

...For those of you who just read all that you are probably thinking it is the dumbest idea ever. I agree. You may also be horrified that it's true. As I was when it occurred to me.

don't bring the dead people back.

pretty sure Estinien's mind/personality is already gone. He prob will end up like the first Azure Dragoon. dead but body preserved. Nanamo's story was BS. Scions died for nothing and not to mention they just let the freaking tarutaru go after he literally killed the entire Scions.

Thx EdwinLi
Dragoon spoiler

In Dragoon you get your apprentice who gets dragoon blood off the bat. Then all we do is track her down and gain skills for tracking her down cuz why not I guess. It stated off so promising then turned into chase someone that at this point is bad at being a dragoon. I wanted more epic dragon bttles like the lvl 52 one all we got was le sigh hertics.

Compared to monk where we have a clear story onto why we get our class skills. (I like monk post 50 story a lot more then pre 50) Not sure about other classes but dragoon felt pointless fast.

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Originally Posted by justinjarjar

cannot figure out the spoiler box, but trust me dragoon story post 50 does not explain why we get new skills well let alone have an engaging story compared to pre 50.

Compared to monk where we have a clear story onto why we get our class skills. (I like monk post 50 story a lot more then pre 50) Not sure about other classes but dragoon felt pointless fast.

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I'm pretty sure that the Monk 50 story is about how Widargelt chilled the kupo out and started mackin' on mi'qote chicks and that pretty much fixed the Fist of Rhalgr entirely

I hope he'll die. I don't like him that much. he's a weakling that want the spotlights all the time.

after doing next to nothing in the first fight with Nidhogg (just holding an eyeball and cast a barrier once) he shown off his dragoon move and kill Nidhogg as if he's the protagonist of the game. without the warrior of light and friends, he would've his ass kicked in 5 seconds.

and what is that bloody armor? try to look cool? I don't think he's cool at all for not cleaning the blood off his armor in later scenes. what a goofball. he just like all the dragoons in FF series, worry too much about his look more than anything and try too hard to look badass.

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Originally Posted by Atlaworks

I'm pretty sure that the Monk 50 story is about how Widargelt chilled the kupo out and started mackin' on mi'qote chicks and that pretty much fixed the Fist of Rhalgr entirely

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and i liked it :P I mean pre is just being a SCHs bitch.

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Originally Posted by justinjarjar

cannot figure out the spoiler box, but trust me dragoon story post 50 does not explain why we get new skills well let alone have an engaging story compared to pre 50.

Compared to monk where we have a clear story onto why we get our class skills. (I like monk post 50 story a lot more then pre 50) Not sure about other classes but dragoon felt pointless fast.

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there is a button in Advance that us "[HB]" "[HB]" as the hiding box.

back on topic.

Well the other Jobs do explain how we get our Job skills such as DRK being trained by Sig since we are learning skills he developed himself and Ninja Jobs shows us getting our Job skills through the experience of the Job quest events.

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Originally Posted by Atlaworks

I'm pretty sure that the Monk 50 story is about how Widargelt chilled the kupo out and started mackin' on mi'qote chicks and that pretty much fixed the Fist of Rhalgr entirely

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Ya a bit sum up what happened but it does show how he still has a bit way to go before he can truely be a Master of the Fist of Rhalgr. Can't really blame him since he was the only member of his order to surivie the invasion and he was still a apprentice himself.

If people can be brought back from "death"

hello Yshtola and most probably other scions

then one person can be turned back

from dragon form into human form again.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Well you have to treat the level 30 to 50 Job quests as past events that happened before 3.0. When you do the DRG lvl 30 to 50 Job quest the dialogue is set to 2.0 era so playing the DRG lv 30 to 50 quest in 3.0 will not change the event nor dialogue.
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Yeah not really buying that.
I mean i understand what you mean and if the Job quest would be neccessarily be made in 2.55 or before then yes. but as you will be able to start your dragoon quests whenever you want (and be it in 10.5) i doubt that they would not Change the quest when killing off one of the instructors.

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Originally Posted by Mhikail

Hi.

If they start bringing back people who are dead then this game sucks ass at storytelling. Hauchy literally took a spear thing into the stomach. He wasn't even that important of a character
and no one cared about him and even thought he could be a traitor after all this happened. He is dead, on a grave near Ishgard. Let the man rest in peace.
Ysayle got blasted plenty of times and fell into the skies. Please do not bring people who are 'dead' back. I love those 2 characters but it's better storytelling that way.
They ruined Nanamo's story, big time and I love her. Glad she's back, but oddly enough I'd be happier if she died, and Rauhbahn turned crazy or something. The whole Ul'dah story
was pretty terribly written in this patch. People become too sympathetic and never want a 'bad ending' like Edda...Do not give Edda a happy ending. More lil' shorts of her is alright but nothing more.
This game suffers from 'This really really sucks' and has done pretty well so far, despite the Ul'dah thing...I cried on Hauchy. ><

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I think that is exactly what they will do (with hauchefant being the exception as we saw him die) i think everyone of the scions, ysaile, estinien and whoever vanishes in the future whitout a clear death will come back.
Is this bad Story telling and getting extremly predictable and boring after a while? Yeah
Do I think SE cares? No not really.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

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Nothing?
He was surpressing Nidhogs power during the entire fight, without him we would not have a Chance against that Dragon that is for sure.

For the Dragon Blood: in some Storys Dragon blood grants immortality or other nice thinks so maybe that's why (yeah i know it didn't really work in the end, but who knows what Story they have with bathing in the blood os Dragons)

Back on the topic of Estinien, all he has to do is become self aware and realize two objects cannot occupy the same place at the same time. I've seen that movie!

(It's called A Flight of Dragons. It's good. Dumb but good.)

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Originally Posted by justinjarjar

Thx EdwinLi
Dragoon spoiler

In Dragoon you get your apprentice who gets dragoon blood off the bat. Then all we do is track her down and gain skills for tracking her down cuz why not I guess. It stated off so promising then turned into chase someone that at this point is bad at being a dragoon. I wanted more epic dragon bttles like the lvl 52 one all we got was le sigh hertics.

Compared to monk where we have a clear story onto why we get our class skills. (I like monk post 50 story a lot more then pre 50) Not sure about other classes but dragoon felt pointless fast.

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Spoilers and hi.

Really? Because I felt like Dragoon got the most involved storyline out of any of the jobs. They created an entire expansion for us. I felt like playing through the main scenario as Dragoon was just the most amazing thing ever. I got to fight along side the other Azure Dragoon, defeat Nidhogg, meet a few more ancient dragons, obtained the oldest dragon as a mount, and all of it ending in my friend's soul being devoured. I don't see how it could get better than that.

If he dies, I'll be glad, he was a jerk

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Originally Posted by Ryans

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I agree just that the job aspect was not fun, and is why I would love to see Estinien come back for 4.0 story.

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Originally Posted by Pinkie_Pie

If he dies, I'll be glad, he was a jerk

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My explanation of the jerkiness.

I am sure with 90% probability that he was a jerk because he was constantly fighting with Nidhogg while having his eye with him. As you could see when he turned into dragon it happened only because he lost his focus for a second. If I had to be on focus for years I would act like ultra jerk. :D

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

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One of the brothers (THe goofy one you helped in Sea of Clouds) and his retainer are over in the markets actually. I haven't looked around enough for the others...but really, Haurchefant is dead, he won't be coming back (Also to the person you were quoting, quite a few people actually did come to like him very much near the end of the 2.x storyline, and it basically increased through HW. Atleast from what I've seen/my own self as well.)



As for Estinien...

Remember that in the DRG level 50 quest he does end up going crazy due to hate/Nidhogg's influence but is able to come back on his own by the time he enters the 2.x MSQ...while right now the possession is MUCH stronger, it was not due to his own hate AND we know its possible to bring him back because he has done so himself...that said I AM sure that when we do free him, it will either A.) Free Lahabrea as well, or B.) Same as A, except he possesses Estinien...meaning we either A.) Have to free him AGAIN (On two fronts at that since its the same situation as with Thancred), or B.) We won't be able to save him like we did with Thancred...though in this case he will totally give us the opening to finish of Lahabrea once and for all.

Warrior of Darkness will have Estinien as mount.

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Originally Posted by Dualblade

One of the brothers (THe goofy one you helped in Sea of Clouds) and his retainer are over in the markets actually. I haven't looked around enough for the others...but really, Haurchefant is dead, he won't be coming back (Also to the person you were quoting, quite a few people actually did come to like him very much near the end of the 2.x storyline, and it basically increased through HW. Atleast from what I've seen/my own self as well.)

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So he is! Good...that's good.

The fact that Alphinaud even mentioned "trying to save Estinien" means that we will save him. However, that doesn't mean he will live. Basically one of two things will happen: We save him and he lives, or we save him and he dies... with a death scene ala Hauche, most likely.

Knowing SE's style, they wouldn't have mentioned saving Estinien if we weren't going to do it.

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Originally Posted by Catwho

One of the stated goals of the NPCs is now to somehow rescue Estinien, so I'm gonna toss my pennies in that he survives somehow.

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I liked him, and he seemed to be learning something from the journey by the end of the MSQ.

Assuming they're gonna play into the Kain thing (party member lost because his mind was taken over by something else), he'll probably fight for control and win. I'm just hoping that just like Kain, he comes back to the fold. Maybe have him do actual justice to that dumb holy dragoon thing the FFIV sequel tried to do.

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

Where...where is the family?

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They're hanging around Ishgard. Both of them are in the Pillars.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan94

The fact that Alphinaud even mentioned "trying to save Estinien" means that we will save him. However, that doesn't mean he will live. Basically one of two things will happen: We save him and he lives, or we save him and he dies... with a death scene ala Hauche, most likely.

Knowing SE's style, they wouldn't have mentioned saving Estinien if we weren't going to do it.

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Alph actually isn't the only character to specifically mention attempting to save Estinien.

The other? (that I know of anyway) Well, he's sitting outside the Observatorium. And yells at me for talking to him when I'm not a Dragoon.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

They're hanging around Ishgard. Both of them are in the Pillars.

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Do you know where in the Pillars is the Resposible brother is?

I know the Irresponsible brother hangs out in the market but I could never find the responsible brother.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Do you know where in the Pillars is the Resposible brother is?

I know the Irresponsible brother hangs out in the market but I could never find the responsible brother.

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He's in the area overlooking the airship dock. He comments at the fact that the ceremony (at the end of the MSQ) was a big deal. Also talks about how everyone had to play their part in the outcome.