Cross-Class Glamour?

Do you think it would be cool if we could cross-class clothing and such from other classes?

Then again, i'm a SCH and most SCH gear looks meh compared to BLM, Others gear choices. I just wish we could use their sets as appearance.

I don't really see a point in restricting it, its not like I can't put on a piece of armor or cloth I found, and I will always have a scholar weapon so people know i'm a scholar.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Do you think it would be cool if we could cross-class clothing and such from other classes?

Then again, i'm a SCH and most SCH gear looks meh compared to BLM, Others gear choices. I just wish we could use their sets as appearance.

I don't really see a point in restricting it, its not like I can't put on a piece of armor or cloth I found, and I will always have a scholar weapon so people know i'm a scholar.

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No, I'd rather they not do this at all. The reasons have been explained by SE themselves, and the millions of other threads that are made about this.

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Originally Posted by Ditto

No, I'd rather they not do this at all. The reasons have been explained by SE themselves, and the millions of other threads that are made about this.

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And as has also been explained in the millions of other threads the reasons for not doing it are dumb.

Because we need paladins running around with Blackmage robe and hats.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

Because we need paladins running around with Blackmage robe and hats.

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They can already wear Mage Robes and Pointy Wizard hats.
Tanks have access to the most equipment in the game as far as glamour goes, while mages have extremely limited access to things to use for glamour.
I made the below tanks have a huge selection of things they can use for glamour, total numer of body gear was 354 while mages could only wear like 240.
Also even though I didn't include it it also reflects headgear, pants , gloves, boots as well.



http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...glamour./page3

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Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl

(Note* This is a list of Non-Dated Items)

Woven Robes/Robes Tanks can Wear
Crescent Moon Nightgown
Eerie Robe
Glacial Coat

Hempen Halfrobe
Custom Made Robe of Casting
Custom Made Robe of healing
Hempen Cowl
Hempen Action
Amateur's Dalmatica
Hempen Robe
Cotton Cowl
Aetherial Cotton Cowl
Aetherial Cotton Dalmatica
Cotton Dalmatica of Gathering
Aetherial Cotton halfrobe
Cotton Halfrobe
Aetherial Cotton Robe
Cotton Robe
Aetherial Velveteen Cowl
Velveteen Cowl
Flame Private's Robe
Serpent Private's Cowl
Storm Private's Dalmatica
Aetherial Velveteen halfrobe
Velveteen halfrobe
Aetherial Linen Robe
Linen Robe
Linen Cowl
Aetherial Linen Cowl
Aetherial Woolen Robe
Woolen Robe
Tattered Robe
Woolen Gown
Aetherial Felt Robe
Felt Robe
Woolen Cowl
Aetherial Woolen Cowl
Vintage Robe
Paragon's Gown


Silk Dresses, and other Things Tanks can Wear
Starlight Tunic
Lord's Yukata Green, Whiteflame, Blackflame, Blueflame, Whiteflame, Blue, Grey
Lady's Yukata Red, Black, Pinkfly, Red, Redfly
Spring Dress
Sweet Dream Tunic
Gown of Eternal passion
TailCoat of Eternal Devotion
Highland Smock
Moogle Body
Sailor Shirt
Hempen Camise
Best Man's Jacket
Taffeta Shawl (Reskin of a Mage Only item)
Valentione Apron


Swimsuits Tanks Can Wear
Striped Summer Top
Striped Summer Halter
South Seas Talisman
Black Summer Halter
Coronal Summer Halter
Green Summer Top
Coeurl Beach Halter
Solar Summer Top
Red Summer Halter
Blue Summer Halter
Lunar Summer Halter
Lunar Summer Top
Green Summer Halter
Solar Summer Halter
Sea Breeze Summer Halter

Funny thing that I noticed tanks can wear
“I put on my robe and wizard hat”
Eerie Hat
Hempen Hat







I agree, the amount of clothes a mage can wear is dangerously low.

1. Tank Glamours a Custom Made Robe of Casting and Hempen Hat
   Perfectly Acceptable 10/10 tank
   
   
2. Mage Glamours a Hempen Tunic
   Mass Confusion, Lalafells are crying, players are quiting, Immersion is broken!

Tunics and Tabards or Leather Armor that can be worn by Mages
None

Chain Mail that can be worn by Mages
None

Plate/Scale Mail that can be worn by Mages
Light Steel Galerus (Reskin of Disciple of war gear)

Heavy Armor that can be worn by Mages
None




Legend
Example of a Tunic
Example of a Tabard

Total Number of Body Gear that can be worn Per Job

Black Mage- 242
Dragoon- 320
Monk- 286
Ninja- 286
Paladin- 354
Scholar- 242
Summoner- 242
Warrior- 354
White Mage- 242

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Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...glamour./page3

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A simple solution to this is to make more of the 'DoW' and 'DoM' gear 'All Classes' as they probably should've been from the start.

I can agree that I'd love to wear certain things that I cannot as a caster, for example I would love to be able to wear my Felt Kecks without having to be on a War class. But to make specific piece of gear such as end game stuff, raid gear, or job specific gear cross class glamorable, hell no. A lot of the 1 - 59 things such as the Disciple of War/Magic things though, sure.

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Originally Posted by Cutie_McSnuggles

And as has also been explained in the millions of other threads the reasons for not doing it are dumb.

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Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl

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I said Blackmage robes and hat. It's a hell lot more distinct than a generic cowl/robe. I'm all for tanks wearing cloth or whatever, but not wearing gear thats iconic to the job that some people are pushing for.

My personal favorite:
Cavalry Set for Tanks
http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...c563ec8952.jpg

PvP gear for DRG
http://i.imgur.com/lujkmnq.jpg

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

I said Blackmage robes and hat. It's a hell lot more distinct than a generic cowl/robe. I'm all for tanks wearing cloth or whatever, but not wearing gear thats iconic to the job that some people are pushing for.

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I know, that's why I didn't say

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Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl

They can already wear Blackmage Robes and Pointy Wizard hats.

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Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl

I know, that's why I didn't say

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Then I'm not entirely sure why you even responded to me with that. In context with this topic, it seems like you're trying to push for cross-class glamours

If we can glamour everything with no restiction,i'll glamour my Blm with tank's Duck Armor.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

Then I'm not entirely sure why you even responded to me with that. In context with this topic, it seems like you're trying to push for cross-class glamours

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I support Cross-Class Glamours.

But not Cross-Job Glamours.


http://puu.sh/hUTvR/79536db44c.png

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Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl

I support Cross-Class Glamours.

But not Cross-Job Glamours.

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Fair enough, the two get so interchanged in my discussions that they're more or less the same to me, esp since it doesn't add too much to actual game depth.

Yes, please. I've always wanted my caster to be able to wear the Kirimu coat.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

Yes, please. I've always wanted my caster to be able to wear the Kirimu coat.

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http://assets-cloud.enjin.com/users/...al/3007841.jpg

I'm against this to be honest. I think classes and jobs should have more unique appearances that fit their role and silhouette. Sure, tanks have more variety in what they can wear but that's no different than most MMO's that have varying armor classes. Heavy armored classes can wear everything below them, while light armored can't wear things heavier.

It takes training/practice to move comfortably and completely in heavy armor as opposed to light clothes or robes. I'd rather not see mages in full plate armor.

I say let everything that isn't specific to the class/job be glamourable to everything else. In other words none of this "Disciple of War/Disciple of Magic" stuff. If it fits into those broad categories, it should be wearable by anyone in terms of glamour capabilities. Maybe not actually equipped, but glamourable yes. The whole idea of the glamour system is that it's simply projecting the appearance of one item over another, so looking at it from a story perspective, having heavy plate armor projected over a cloth robe doesn't actually change that robe into heavy armor. It simply changes the appearance of it, while the person wearing it is still moving around in the normal weight and flexibility of their robe. Still, to keep with the variety of it, I do think that each class/job should have a specific set, (or several sets), of gear that is unique in appearance when compared to the others that can't be glamoured outside of that class/job....

Perhaps an option to glamour within roles? Ranged DPS, Melee DPS, Tank, Healer cross glamour could work. though I understand it would leave out the healers a bit, I feel in most cases classes/ jobs would still be able to fit their "silhouette" as it were.

Why do people care about "silhouettes" of jobs? We can glamour snowman heads and bikinis, there's already no "Tanks look like X, Healers look like Y" anymore. The weapon is already the only giveaway you can be sure of, I say let everyone glamour everything - the weapon will still tell you their job if you have to be able to tell visually. In PvP, you see their class written over their head anyway, and in group content you see their class symbol. Really doesn't matter what they wear.

And for those people who're hell-bent on having everyone looking as much as their class as possible, all we need is a checkbox in the options that shows or hides other people's cross-class glamour, done.

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Originally Posted by Ditto

No, I'd rather they not do this at all. The reasons have been explained by SE themselves, and the millions of other threads that are made about this.

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When they added bikini glamours they should have lifted the restrictions.

I'd say, if player reaches the point where they are able to equip the piece normally, the player should have the option to glamour it to any job. For example, the player shouldn't be able to glamour lvl 50 bard equipment, to an unrelated piece, until they've reached lvl 50 bard. That seems to be a reasonable limitation, at least to me. I'm pretty sure the game can detect this difference already.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

Why do people care about "silhouettes" of jobs? We can glamour snowman heads and bikinis, there's already no "Tanks look like X, Healers look like Y" anymore. The weapon is already the only giveaway you can be sure of, I say let everyone glamour everything - the weapon will still tell you their job if you have to be able to tell visually. In PvP, you see their class written over their head anyway, and in group content you see their class symbol. Really doesn't matter what they wear.

And for those people who're hell-bent on having everyone looking as much as their class as possible, all we need is a checkbox in the options that shows or hides other people's cross-class glamour, done.

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Because a whitemage that's running around with a pointy blackmage hat and tall-necklines is completely more nonsensical than a healer that's healing in a snowman head/bikini. And yes I'm being completely serious here; that's where it breaks the line with me.

Aside from that there is also developmental aspects when they made it "you have to be able to wear it to be able to glamour into it". Partially being reason why casters can't glamour into tank gear or monks glamouring into DRG gear, theres itemization balancing, and I'm sure it's more work to recode something like that from the bottom up.

Also, I'm going to go ahead and say "PS3 limitations" when they don't even get options to change graphic settings/UI, and SE has made a point they want to keep the UI between platforms as close as possible.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

Because a whitemage that's running around with a pointy blackmage hat and tall-necklines is completely more nonsensical than a healer that's healing in a snowman head/bikini. And yes I'm being completely serious here; that's where it breaks the line with me.

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Draw the line there all you want, a checkbox to hide other people's cross-class glamour solves this for you just fine. Leave the developmental aspects and PS3 limitations to SE - they'll drop PS3 support soon enough, so if that's really a factor, it won't be one forever.

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Originally Posted by DarkDedede

I'd say, if player reaches the point where they are able to equip the piece normally, the player should have the option to glamour it to any job. For example, the player shouldn't be able to glamour lvl 50 bard equipment, to an unrelated piece, until they've reached lvl 50 bard.

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This would also provide additional incentive to multiclass, I rather like the idea.

I'd rather have them fix the base glamour system first. Make it so glamour is saved for a job (or class) so my PLD and WAR (and DRK?) or SCH and WHM or BLM and SMN or probably BRD and MCN don't look the exact same please. Not to mention when you have that lovely crafter AF, but you basically run around in Artisan's apron/shoes/hands/pants..

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Glamour-system

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Originally Posted by abzoluut

I'd rather have them fix the base glamour system first.[/URL]

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Yes this too. It would be a bit more convenient if we could save glamour sets, like we can with gear.

I'm hoping the glamour system gets somewhat of an overhaul for the expansion.

My current nin glamour as of this post:

http://i.imgur.com/00hiJpY.jpg

Not exactly the picture of stealth, but I'm definitely not alone in not caring.

Thing is, all I need do is glam the shoes to sailor shoes, and I can use this "silhouette" for every class and job.

There are some other pieces I do enjoy for looks especially caster gear, but they are class locked >_< despite similar gear not being locked earlier , so I'd love for future recipies to be less restrictive than they've been recently.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Do you think it would be cool if we could cross-class clothing and such from other classes?

Then again, i'm a SCH and most SCH gear looks meh compared to BLM, Others gear choices. I just wish we could use their sets as appearance.

I don't really see a point in restricting it, its not like I can't put on a piece of armor or cloth I found, and I will always have a scholar weapon so people know i'm a scholar.

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You can already do it with "all classes" gears.
No reason to do it also with class specific gears.

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Originally Posted by Felis

You can already do it with "all classes" gears.
No reason to do it also with class specific gears.

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The person you quoted provided a reason; they find their main job's gear choices "meh" and wish to be able to glamour others. What more reason do you need? Isn't the whole POINT of the glamour system to make yourself look the way you want? Having more options tends to be a good thing.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

What more reason do you need?

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That's the thing, s/he doesn't need one. They don't need it personally, so by that logic, no one should. Empathy need not apply.

Funny thing is, the naysayers won't be complaining once the inevitable improvements are made. I can't imagine someone saying "man, I wish the glamour system was more restrictive and convoluted. Oh, the good old days." Of course, by that logic, they probably will.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

The person you quoted provided a reason; they find their main job's gear choices "meh" and wish to be able to glamour others. What more reason do you need? Isn't the whole POINT of the glamour system to make yourself look the way you want? Having more options tends to be a good thing.

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Instead to change it that you can use glamour of gear the class can't wear, why not just asking to change all gears into "all classes" gears or just bring back the favored class on gear from 1.0?
i'm sure it is easier to change the requirements on gear instead of changing the glamour system.

Also, if I can use tank gear as a glamour for my healer then it is also my right to roll need on tank gear as a healer.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Instead to change it that you can use glamour of gear the class can't wear, why not just asking to change all gears into "all classes" gears or just bring back the favored class on gear from 1.0?
i'm sure it is easier to change the requirements on gear instead of changing the glamour system.

Also, if I can use tank gear as a glamour for my healer then it is also my right to roll need on tank gear as a healer.

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Lotting is completely unrelated. Changing the glam system to not check for class requirement would be much easier than perusing every item and changing its properties.

After reading this thread a bit I don't agree with a lot of posters.

There is no reason why my character can't wear a robe he finds, I agree I shouldn't be able to wear such things for statistics but for appearance I agree with completely, it does nothing with immersion. I could literally care less if I see Black Mages run around in scholars gear because the fairy/lore make what a scholar is, not his gear. Same with Summoner, summoner gear looks horrid.

If you can argue against that, why can a plate wearer wear cloth, yet I cannot wear plate? That to me makes no sense, I would like to combine a set of gear to make a sort of "Plate and Cloth" mix for my character and make a unique appearance.

Immersion is already broken, far far more when I see a tank come in with a bikini and a snow man hat, as others explained.

Gear does not make a class, it is simply a style the class wears and is close to (except dragoon!) that I will give the exception to.

I simply wanted to wear the black mage robe and wear gauntlets and boots of my class because it looked like it might make a good mix. As well as other robes as well.

Of course, you can restrict it so you can just wear the "artifact" version of the robe and not the dyable one, but its not like you got the robe for free. To have those robes you would of had to have got the class to 50.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Lotting is completely unrelated. Changing the glam system to not check for class requirement would be much easier than perusing every item and changing its properties.

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I didn't know I could beat a need with a greed, the things I learn on the forums, right? =P

What i'm asking for isn't to nessessarily wear black mage gear though, but let me wear all gear I can "Cross-Class" with.
So as a Scholar, I should be able to glamour and wear conjurer and thaumaturge gear.

Sure, that might give Black Mages a bit more options since they can wear archer gear which means cool masks and coats and such but I think that would be cool! I would love to wear some of those coats myself though and mix with robed gear.

I don't think there should be a single restriction on glamour whatsoever. Since you can skin your armor with bikinis and invisible clothing, then any argument can be thrown out the window. A tank wearing a robe is much more believable than a tank wearing a bikini or fighting in the buff. Just go ahead and remove the restrictions, SE.

I like the idea of being able to glamour any gear that my character can wear. It makes no sense that I can literally wear the gear (if I hold the correct weapon in my hand), but I can't glamour it to another piece of gear.

I wouldn't go as far as letting for example paladins look like black mages, but I wouldn't mind casters sharing robes. So DoW/DoM separation would be on point. But then again, a lot of robes are already available to all (from a caster point of view), it might just be the colour that isn't the same. And for example the esoterics gear should not be shared as it was designed for each class individually. To be honest, I am fine with the system as it is. /shrug

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Originally Posted by DarkDedede

I'd say, if player reaches the point where they are able to equip the piece normally, the player should have the option to glamour it to any job. For example, the player shouldn't be able to glamour lvl 50 bard equipment, to an unrelated piece, until they've reached lvl 50 bard. That seems to be a reasonable limitation.

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+1 to this. This is the best suggestion I've seen in the thread.

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Originally Posted by Synrin

I wouldn't go as far as letting for example paladins look like black mages, but I wouldn't mind casters sharing robes.

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But what if a character is both a paladin and a black mage?

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Originally Posted by zensonar

But what if a character is both a paladin and a black mage?

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You can't cast spells in heavy plate armor unless it has a very rare enchatment on it.

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Originally Posted by Lego3400

You can't cast spells in heavy plate armor unless it has a very rare enchatment on it.

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Is that actually written into the lore somewhere?

The argument Yoshida keeps throwing out regarding classes not being able to wear gear from outside their class makes little to no sense when you consider all the gear sharing. I'm not allowed to wear Bard sets as a Ninja, but the Leviathan Lore set is fine even though it's clearly designed with Bard in mind? The same goes every other set we share with Bard of course, some work and some don't, but regardless there's plenty of sets that would work just fine and yet it's not allowed for whatever reason. I understanding restricting Job gear (AF 1 and AF 2), but everything else seems like a restriction for the sake of having a restriction.

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Originally Posted by Lego3400

You can't cast spells in heavy plate armor unless it has a very rare enchatment on it.

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Glamour is only an illusion, so that won't be an issue.