I noticed when looking at my first set of cards that it mentions that Mandragora's first appeared after the Calamity. Each of the cards seems to have a little description about the figure on the card.
I'm new to the lore of FF14 and that might have been common knowledge but it was and interesting tidbit I didn't know. I'm wondering if anyone else has found any interesting facts from the card descriptions.
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02-26-2015, 11:20 AMBelhiTriple Triad Card descriptions
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02-26-2015, 01:39 PMAnonymoose
I thought this might come up, lol. I made a list for a future bestiary expansion using one of the many Triple Triad focused websites popping up, so it'll be an easy copy/paste. Have at it! Some good stuff in here ^^
Dodo
These large, flightless cloudkin originated from the island of Mazlaya, and were brought to the mainland by Qiqirn who bred them for their eggs. The free races of Eorzea have reared the rotund creatures ever since, though they are now valued primarily for their meat. Would-be poultry farmers be warned: when seeking to defend itself, a dodo will spit forth a sleep-inducing secretion.
Tonberry
Little is known about this inscrutable race of beastmen that inhabits the ruins of Nym—a culture that reached its peak during the Fifth Astral Era. Tonberries wear clothing and are adept in the use of complex tools, both of which would seem to suggest a civilized level of intelligence. Recently discovered texts from Nymian times suggest that the green denizens of the Wanderer's Palace are the carriers of a terrible pestilence.
Sabotender
Found exclusively in arid regions, cactuars are known for their ability to survive extended periods under the scorching sun on naught but the moisture stored within their bodies. Conditioned by the brutal nature of their surroundings, cactuars are quick to defend themselves, launching a barrage of needle-like projectiles at potential predators—and the occasional unwary traveler.
Spriggan
Spriggans are neither sprites nor faeries, but share similarities with both. They are known to inhabit rocky regions and the deep recesses of mines. These black-furred soulkin are famous for carrying a gem or chunk of ore about with them at all times—a custom which may explain the popularly held belief within the mining fraternity that they are bringers of good fortune. Their classification as soulkin is based on a theory expounded in the Codex of Stone, which asserts that the creatures are naught but vessels for the will of the earth.
Pudding
These gelatinous creatures spawn in the agglomerations of residual matter that sometimes form in the void. Though able to mimic rudimentary sounds of speech in order to draw forth their prey, they are not thought to be especially intelligent beings. As a relatively low-ranked voidsent, flans occupy the tenth rung of the hierarchy.
Bomb
This barely contained sphere of volatile gas and flame occupies the eleventh rung of the voidsent's hierarchy of twelve. Bombs must replenish their internal reserves of fuel in order to survive, and are drawn to consume any source of oil or fat that they encounter, be it plant, animal, or man. Grenades, an even more explosive species of bomb, are a place higher in the hierarchy, standing upon the tenth rung.
Mandragora
The enigmatic mandragora were first observed in the aftermath of the Seventh Umbral Era. It is not known whence they came, or if they even existed prior to the Calamity. Preliminary studies appear to suggest that the diminutive seedkin are sentient and capable of an advanced form of non-verbal communication, but further research is required to confirm these findings. The rest is mere speculation.
Coblyn
The coblyn is a creature of startling appearance that skitters around on its tentacle-like appendages in search of ore. Gridanian scholars claim that a coblyn is an animal that fuses minerals to its body to create a defensive shell. Ul'dahn scholars dispute this theory, stating that these soulkin are, in fact, sentient clumps of geological matter that have adopted biological organs in order to facilitate propagation.
Morbol
The morbol is a terrible beast that moves upon its slime-covered vines and roots. Highly aggressive, it kills both animals and plants with a combination of its noxious breath and ceaselessly flailing tendrils. Upon occasion, the beast will also emit a sweet-smelling gas which induces a deep sleep. Rather than rending or chewing, the fang-shaped thorns which line the morbol's maw serve to hold prey immobile during digestion.
Coeurl
Native to the regions of the Near East, these predatory quadrupeds are unrivaled in their savagery. A coeurl subdues its prey by unleashing electrical shocks from the two whip-like appendages that frame its fang-lined jaws. The feral specimens encountered in Eorzea descend from escaped war beasts once trained on a remote island at the mouth of the Rothlyt Sound known as the Pearl.
Ahriman
Ahriman are a family of voidsent that manifest in the physical plane by investing their essences in the eyes of animals. They are possessed of great arcane ability, and fly by clawing their way along airborne currents of aether. According to studies of voidsent hierarchy, the ahriman family is of middling class, its various forms occupying the fourth and fifth rungs.
Goobbue
A goobbue is a lumbering beast that has a symbiotic relationship with the moss and lichen growing atop its head. This growth provides the creature with a measure of camouflage, and, in return, the goobbue keeps the vegetation moist during the drier seasons with water scooped up in its hands. Though seemingly placid, the goobbue is a relentless predator, snatching up anything that skitters or crawls and shoveling it into its cavernous mouth.
Chocobo
The domestication of chocobos in Eorzea appears to date back to pre-history, with ancient paintings recently discovered near Ishgard showing tribesfolk using the flightless yellow cloudkin to till the earth, transport grain, and carry warriors into battle. While the overwhelming majority of chocobos seen in Eorzea today are of Coerthan stock, it is rumored that wild breeds of the species—including those which have retained the capacity for flight—still thrive throughout forests nestled in the vastly unexplored valleys of Ablathia's Spine.
Amalj'aa
The Amalj'aa are a race of nomadic beastmen who inhabit the grasslands of Paglth'an, where they subsist by hunting the native wildlife. They share a long and bitter history of conflict with the people of Ul'dah. Trained in the arts of war from a tender age, all members of an Amalj'aa clan, old and young, male and female, are skilled warriors. They also boast a fine mastery of metallurgy, and their weapons fetch a tidy sum from those seeking arms of quality.
Ixal
This aggressive mountain tribe claim the wind-blasted canyons of Xelphatol as their domain. Though their race has long since lost the capacity for flight, the feathered beastmen are fervently proud of their vestigial wings. The Ixal seek to re-establish their presence in the Black Shroud that they might once again fell trees in worship of their fickle deity—an ambition which places them at odds with the people of Gridania.
Sylph
In the northern reaches of Gridania, in the depths of the Black Shroud, live the reclusive sylphs. These diminutive beings resemble children's dolls wrapped in vibrant leaves. The demeanor of the sylphs is comparable to that of an innocent child, but their propensity to employ their magical talents to "playfully" torment travelers has all too often been the cause of untold anguish and even tragedy for their hapless victims.
Kobold
The kobolds are a race of mole-like creatures who have excavated a warren of tunnels under O'Ghomoro, a mountain situated in northern Vylbrand. Believing the ores of the earth to be a gift of the primal Titan, these subterranean beastmen seek to divine their deity's teachings through the arts of alchemy. The peace agreement forged between the kobolds and Limsa Lominsa has served little to quell resurgent hostilities.
Sahagin
These aquatic beastmen reside in a city at the bottom of the Indigo Deep. They breathe water as well as air, and glide through the depths with graceful ease. The social structure of the Sahagin resembles a pyramid, with a single queen-like figure stationed at its point. On the streets of Limsa Lominsa, to mention the name of Sahagin is to invite dark looks and muttered curses.
Moogle
Do not be fooled by their winsome personae, for moogles are a highly intelligent race of creatures capable of creating utter chaos with the unique brand of elemental magicks at their disposal. For the most part, they are content to keep to themselves, choosing to roam the Twelveswood hidden behind glamours rendering them invisible to all but the most spiritually acute.
Siren
Once feared across the five seas, today sirens are but the stuff of legend, due in part to a thorough culling of the creatures some years past by the renowned pirate Mistbeard. Recent sightings of the seductive she-devils, however, once again have sea and landsmen alike exchanging tales of sirens entrancing entire ship crews with their accursed songs, then feeding on their captives' souls until all that remain are lifeless husks.
Ultros & Typhon
A queer duo of heretofore unseen creatures believed, but not yet confirmed, to be voidsent summoned to this realm via an arcane spell discovered by a student of the Thaumaturges' Guild. Upon their arrival in the corporeal plane, both were quick to acclimate to life in Eorzea—Ultros earning a position as headliner for Coliseum-run venationes, and Typhon entering the employ of Godbert Manderville at his high-end gaming establishment, the Gold Saucer.
Demon Wall
These frightful guardians are the creations of ancient spellcraft, given life when a chosen wall was inscribed with an arcane pattern of blood. Though their masters have long since perished, these sentinels of demonic visage continue to protect the crumbling ruins to which they are bound—to the surprise and horror of many an unsuspecting adventurer.
Succubus
Succubi manifest on the physical plane by forcing their souls into the bodies of deceased women. Once the transition is complete, the resultant creature is said to be both fair and fey to look upon. Still more disconcerting, researchers claim that these voidsent occasionally exhibit the personality traits of their deceased hosts. Succubi occupy the third and fourth rungs of the voidsent hierarchy.
Chimera
A nightmarish combination of lion, goat, and dragon, the fell chimera has three heads, a pair of mighty wings, and a cruelly barbed tail. Its origins have been furiously debated, with some insisting the creature a cruel jest of the gods, while others believe it the twisted creation of forbidden sorcery.
Blue Dragon
Sharing the blood of Midgardsormr and his progeny, the great wyrms, a blue dragon can live upwards of a thousand summers—a period during which the creature will undergo divers changes to its physical and mental capacities. This independent "evolution" of sorts renders each member of the species unique, making it all the more difficult for enemies of the dragons to conceive and establish any manner of standardized battle strategy.
Behemoth
The first sightings of these heavily muscled beasts in the mountains of Coerthas coincided with the advent of the Seventh Umbral Era. Scholars believe them to be the spawn of the elder primal Bahamut, and have dubbed the creatures "behemoths." Aside from their obvious physical traits, much about behemoth behavior and physiology remains shrouded in mystery.
Ifrit
Summoned by the Amalj'aa of sunbaked Paglth'an, the Lord of the Inferno—with molten claws that render metal into bubbling pools of molten ooze, and terrible horns that stretch skyward, ever threatening to brand the heavens above—is feared across the realm for a blazing fury almost as unquenchable as his desire to swell the ranks of his tempered armies.
Titan
Summoned by the kobolds of O'Ghomoro, the Lord of Crags maintains an air of forbearance rarely seen in the realm's other primals. However, should he sense the lives of his loyal acolytes are in peril, he will not hesitate to call upon the very mountains themselves to crush the life from those who would bring them harm.
Garuda
Summoned by the Ixal tribes of Xelphatol, Garuda harbors the uncanny ability to manipulate the very air which surrounds her. The winds she wields, however, have twisted her heart and broken her mind, rendering the Lady of the Vortex a merciless tyrant with an appetite for destruction that is nigh insatiable.
Good King Moggle Mog XIII
Summoned by a rogue sect of Twelveswood moogles believing the regent to be the very figure who led their peoples from their home in the starry welkin down to the realm of Eorzea, Good King Moggle Mog XII is only actually "good" to his handful of subjects, doling out healthy dollops of royal justice to all others who would dare stand in his way.
Ultima Weapon
A relic of the Third Astral Era, the Ultima Weapon is a feat of Allagan technology—the same technology which saw the reach of the Allagan Empire extend to the four corners of Hydaelyn. Upon rediscovery of the mechanical juggernaut buried deep beneath the lands just beyond Ala Mhigo, the XIVth Legion of the Imperial Garlean Army refitted it to serve as a countermeasure against the ever-growing primal threat.
Odin
While no one knows exactly when or by whom the Dark Divinity was summoned, the elder primal roams the Twelveswood astride his loyal warhorse Sleipnir seeking a bloody reckoning for misdeeds lost but unforgotten.
Ramuh
Worshipped by the sylphs of the Twelveswood, the Lord of Levin is a thunderous entity with boundless knowledge of ages past. He is stern yet just, but his judgment is final, and those found guilty of mortal sin will be met with mighty bolts of white-hot lightning.
Leviathan
Summoned by the Sahagin tribes of the Indigo Deep, the Lord of the Whorl ever lurks beneath the sea's surface, seeking ships to swallow and sailors to join his ranks of drowned minions. Fishers and saltwives throughout history have believed the tidal waves which oft flood their costal villages are created by the thrashing tail of an angered Leviathan, and have for centuries offered sacrifices to the sea in hopes of soothing the serpent.
Shiva
The Enchiridion, holy scripture for the Ishgardian faith, brands Shiva the Original Heretic—the first to succumb to the temptation of the dragons. Her followers, however, venerate her as a saint who tried, yet failed, to bring together man and dragon through her own selfless sacrifice.
Bahamut
Forgotten for millennia, the elder primal Bahamut was finally freed from his celestial prison Dalamud in the 1572nd year of the Sixth Astral Era through the machinations of the Garlean legatus Nael van Darnus. Unfettered at last, the dreadwyrm unleashed an endless rain of fire on the land, the destruction he wrought ushering in a dark age of death and suffering. -
02-26-2015, 03:09 PMBelhi
Things that stuck out for me:
- Mandragora and Behemoths have only been around since the calamity.
- Garuda's text suggests her powers are what causes Garuda to be such a brutal primal rather than it just being part of her nature. Wording seems a bit weird to me.
- Dragons go through a form of evolution as they age which makes older dragons individually unique. Could also account for the diversity of draconic creatures in the Dravanian army. -
02-26-2015, 11:50 PMtreuhavik
What I find interesting is this; "the Lord of Levin is a thunderous entity with boundless knowledge of ages past."
They specify that he has this knowledge, leading to believe that not all primals share it. This is worrisome for us theorists... -
02-27-2015, 12:15 AMAnonymooseAye, I can see someone sculpting a new theory out of the Ramuh and Garuda cards that invokes some of the FFXI lore about the gods once being specific people. My latest progress on the "Primal Theory" was mostly founded on some strange comments Urianger made and old FFXIV trailers, mostly assuming that they weren't entities but simply the essence of the land, sculpted by belief.Quote:
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To continue seeing things through my lens while also musing this hypothetical new theory, perhaps you need a soul to begin with - something forced to act as a vessel for that essence and belief. The creation of Phoenix used Louisoix's, after all. It'd certainly solve my problem about Shiva's soul being specifically mentioned. Using that framework, perhaps Ramuh was once a living sage, as he was in FFXI, with vast knowledge of the eras. Perhaps Garuda's soul was not broken until fashioned into the body of the Empress of Birds and forced to contain the essence of Vortex.
Now, I know this is a bit ironic, considering that I only recently said that the song Answers is vague enough to be interpreted a thousand ways... but I've felt that, as the theme to Final Fantasy XIV "Season One," that it was mostly about the primals. The primals we've dealt with in this era are the essences of the Land (Inferno, Vortex, et al.), the six facets of Hydaelyn's light.
First previews of FFXIV: The Land will not suffer man's irreverence.
Lyric from answers The Land's alive, so believe.
Hint from Koji that he loves using the word "forsaken" in things relating to the primals.
Could bring "Our souls have been torn, and our bodies forsaken" into the fold of such a theory.
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If any of that were true, it might not be out of the question that we'd hear from Bahamut again, someday.
Not the primal god of the Meracydians Bahamut, but the actual brood-progenitor Bahamut...
Hmmm. Maybe I should ponder this whole thing some more. -
02-27-2015, 12:16 AMNalienI wonder how that related to the Ixali myth involving her feasting upon the Lord of Snakes turning her brutal against land-bound mortals... Must say I liked that concept more than her power just making her that way... Unless we've got something of an origins story in that mythos, in life she was a hero who defeated the Lord of Snakes, but suffered a serious wound in the process and resorted to feasting upon his carcase, and it resulted in her becoming a Primal. With the power of the Vortex and/or feasting on the carcase of her enemy resulting in her insanity... Fallen Angel indeed...Quote:
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02-27-2015, 12:32 AMAnonymooseUnless the Lord of Snakes was The Lord of Snakes, a primal, and by feasting on his body, she consumed something aetherial...Quote:
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DUN DUN DUNNNNNN....
</em fashions a naga-shaped darkteelfoil hat and makes serpentine hand-puppets at Nalien>
I really have no idea, anymore. Most times that I figure something out well ahead of time, I go handily overboard with it, as well. I've stopped trying to guess what's coming and now I just muse on a bunch of random ideas that encompass what we know, and then whittle away the parts that get proven wrong. It's more fun stirring the pot than guessing the ingredients. -
02-27-2015, 12:44 AMBelhi
Interesting. Perhaps King Moggle Mog XII was an actual Moggle in ages past. Its just his story ended up getting elaborated on and becoming a myth. From what I've read there is plenty to suggest Bahamut was originally a non primal dragon.
The Blue Dragon description also makes me think that the Au Ra may not simply be a cross breeding of men and dragon. Perhaps they are a family of dragons that long ago 'evolved' into a humanoid form. The text seems to suggest the form and mental capacity of a dragon can vary hugely. All the land based Dravanic creatures we have seen perhaps are actual dragons, not just some type of minion. -
02-27-2015, 12:48 AMtreuhavikRight, we had both speculated that the primals were just an element of the land made being by a race that more or less worshiped their respective element, but this new information couldn't be a bigger wrench there.Quote:
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Before this patch I was 101% sold on the idea that the primals were once people, beastmen included (or in Fenrir's case, beast) -living or dead- and had been infused with the land's essence, BUT did Ramuh not say that he remembered the time of "balance"? This period of time was before man though, was it not? I'm taking this "balance" as either the incorporeal realm melded with the corporeal or the primordial planet. So, in either case, just what in the hells was he?! I...I need a cigarette.Quote:
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EDIT: Unless... Unless when Person-Ramuh merged with lightning... N-no, I need more time. -
02-27-2015, 01:00 AMAnonymooseThat's the first thing I thought, too.Quote:
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I figured this would tie back into the Ascian / Zodiark / Hyadelyn story, in the end.Quote:
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Lemme know where you get with that! lolQuote:
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02-27-2015, 01:34 AMNalienThinking about it... Yeah...Quote:
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How did Garuda respond to Gaius? She had Ifrit and Titan summoned so she could feast upon their aether...
How did Ultima Weapon actually "capture" Garuda? By biting her head off... OK not the case for Ifrit and Titan, but both were pulled in front of the weapons "head", mayhaps it sucked up their dissipating aether?
Now I just need Free Company Summoning to be introduced and explained by Quina Quen, or any Qu relation, and I'm certain of it...
They really do drive home the whole "feasting" theme with Garuda though, makes me think there really is some truth to the mythos... If she gained the power of the Vortex by consuming the Lord of Snakes that could explain how he kept life land-bound (he used the power to prevent flight), though if he was a Primal he shouldn't have left a corpse behind to be feasted upon... Unless he was used by the Allag in a similar fashion to Bahamut... Preventing flight by manipulating the wind would be a useful when waging a war with dragons... -
02-27-2015, 01:58 AMtreuhavik
To explain a bit for others; with 'The Elemental Theory' we could've either had the pre-duality knowledge from the element itself or the collective knowledge of the aether. However, with Ramuh assumed to be the only one with said knowledge it makes things...difficult.
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Every primal that we've seen created used a host, so a physical body containing aether (aka living [Yes, I would argue that crystals and Zantetsuken are alive]) is needed. From what we've seen of Shiva and what we know of the Ascian's plan, the Echo may be necessary to 'convert' a person into a primal (whether or not Louisoux had the echo remains to be seen and could even be irrelevant due to his knowledge and Tupsimati's power).
Now, if Ramuh gained his knowledge first-hand and didn't commune with Hydaelyn or something of the sort, that means he pre-dates man. One could argue that he's an Elder Primal based on this, but we know that "Elder" is reserved for Primals that have been worshiped for-nearly-ever, not merely existing.
What humanoid beings (because Ramuh is humanoid) could have existed before light and dark were "given form"? Well, what were the Ascians (the two from our world at least) before they transcended death? Don't they too remember that "no such duality" once existed?
I got nothin'! I'm throwing my hands up...and I'm walking away. ...for now at least. -
02-27-2015, 02:51 AMLego3400He didn't. If he did he wouldn't have been tempered by Bahumut. That's why we're immune to tempering and why Shiva was still Iceheart mentally. Not the blessing of light, which we lose, but the Echo.Quote:
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02-27-2015, 03:25 AMtreuhavikAh, a detail overlooked. Thank you. I'll also correct myself in that he did not posses Tupsimati when transforming into Pheonix.Quote:
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02-27-2015, 03:53 AMMagisQuote:
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02-27-2015, 05:09 AMEdellisI don't think it means her powers literally twisted her mind. I think it's suggesting that her strength is what gives her the ability to be the tyrant she is.Quote:
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02-27-2015, 05:59 AMtreuhavikMoose and I were discussing a Greek parallel a while back. Though, it had more to do with explaining The Twelve than primals.Quote:
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For XIV, I'd say it would be something like; From nothing emerged Hydaelyn (Light/Earth) and, from her crystalline form, fashioned herself a partner, Zodiark (Darkness/Void). Together, Hydaelyn and Zodiark birthed twelve children to wield the six elements and rule each of the couple's creations. Something something something, Zodiark said "No!". Something something, Hydaelyn did it anyway, cue bitter rivalry between light and dark. -
02-27-2015, 09:06 AMBelhiThe writing seems to suggest it is the powers though:Quote:
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'The winds she wields, however, have twisted her heart and broken her mind' -
02-27-2015, 09:20 AMmyahele
Interesting, now we have 3 instances of Garuda not always being twisted in the past.
1st: the myth that eating the flesh of the Lord of Snakes made her crazy
2nd: The lyrics of Garuda's theme is "Falling too far from the light.Deeper into the night. Lost here inside my own hell I am a broken angel"
3rd: Her TT description
I almost feel sorry for her; maybe a part of her "nicer" self is still inside her, but her eating the Snake Lord poisened her mind. She *does* have a penchant for consuming other's aether -
02-27-2015, 09:51 PMDoctaruRavenbewell also consider she is the only primal to produce to named facets of her self in her fight. Titan in extreme and Ramuh do have lesser facets appear but they are merely titled roles (Gaolers and Arbiters).Quote:
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02-27-2015, 09:55 PMtreuhavikCould it be that she's gained personality traits from each, uh, thing she's consumed? I mean, no other primal that we know of eats other primals (unless you count Ultima) and a primal's aether probably holds a bit of self after dispersing, let alone still within its body.Quote:
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02-27-2015, 10:04 PMExodus-EIf that were the case, it's no wonder she'd gone insane...unless the things she consumed were the ones that were insane to begin with, I dunno *shrugs*.Quote:
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In any case, yeah...I *almost* feel sorry for her, if she weren't such an homicidal maniac. -
02-28-2015, 02:00 AMtreuhavikShe's just a schizophrenic - holy $!*% I just spelled that right on the first try! Ahem... Yes, I imagine several powerful beings competing in your head for control of a single body might drive one to insanity. That's a pretty far-out-there theory though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exodus-E
I'm pretty sure the card's description simply means that she's power-trippin', to an insane degree. Given her dialogue, she's pretty confident that wind is THE most powerful element and it's wielder should rule everything ever, at least until her head is taken by the jaws of Ultima.
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02-28-2015, 06:08 AMEdellis
Yeah it could be her extreme nature is a result of something else, but from her dialogue alone, she just seemed like a batshit insane narcissist. The ability to summon and sustain impenetrable stormwinds would likely just amplify that.
Which is pretty interesting. Ifrit is certainly the most terrifying primal in the game to me, off visuals alone. But were it a real life situation, i'd honestly rather face him than Garuda. I think the only primal shown with more practical power has been Ramuh, who would just be impossible to approach or avoid. -
02-28-2015, 07:52 AMmyahele
This is a clip of when Garuda 1st awakened and wreaked havoc on a Gridanian hamlet...it certainly gives "Now Fall" in her lyrics a new meaning. Truly a frightening Primal in both 1.0 and 2.0
http://youtu.be/ro-hKCAQ-OM
We know from the SMN quest that an egi (a manifestation of a primal's left-over aether) retains the "personality" of the primal before subduing it. so it is highly possible that the Lord of Snake's traits end affecting her in the end; especially since it was a VERY powerful opponent -
02-28-2015, 10:14 AMNaraku_DiabolosWind blows out flames.Quote:
Originally Posted by treuhavik
Wind erodes rock and blows sand.
Wind blows water to create waves; wind blows rain to create hurricanes; "air" evaporates water.
Wind blows clouds to direct lightning storms.
Wind blows snow; cold wind chills water to make it ice.
Yep. -
02-28-2015, 10:42 AMWolfandreWhen I see this mentioned I almost always immediately think of Quetzalcoatl and get my jimmies excited. But then I have to remind myself that Quetzy isn't a winged serpent in FF and is, instead, a lightning angel...thing... and then my jimmies get sad.Quote:
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02-28-2015, 02:49 PMAnonymooseNot that I'm out to excite anybodies jimmies, but I can make a conspiracy theory out of just about anything, as I recently did about Quetzalcoatl to joke around with Corvinoobus while reporting a minor text bug (assuming you didn't mention Quetz because you already read it, lol). Is all that a coincidence? (Probably, yes. That's a lot more likely than me just nailing all of that.)Quote:
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03-02-2015, 11:03 PMtreuhavik
Ah, I also forgot to mention that Shiva's card thoroughly destroyed another theory I was working on - a theory in which Shiva was a vessel for Halone and was responsible for bringing Thordan's posse to Ishgard.
It's definitely a love/hate relationship between myself and triple triad.
What's more interesting, to me at least, from that video, Nael confirms yet again that "Gods" (The Twelve) are an actual thing and that they're very much alive...even if they may as well be dead.Quote:
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03-03-2015, 01:50 AMAeliottWho is this "Lord of Snakes"? Because the 13th Zodiac symbol, Ophiuchus, is a lord of snakes. Ophiuchus is also known as Sabik, Ultima Weapon is powered by an Ascian device called the Heart of Sabik. I'll put my tinfoil on just in case, but with Ultima being powered by the Lord of Snakes could the act of consuming Garuda in such a manner be a kind of ironic revenge? If there's any degree of truth to these stories of course, anything regarding the history of primals is a bit sketchy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nalien
On the subject of Ophiuchus/Sabik, Elidibus takes on its form in FF Tactics, so perhaps this Heart of Sabik / Lord of Snakes thing comes back to the Elidibus in this game. I think it's definitely a safe bet to say he represents Ophiuchus, although the Ivalice equivalent of that is Zodiark...(Lahabrea = Mateus / Pisces, Nabriales = Cuchulainn / Scorpio, etc) [/tinfoil off]
[Edit]: I know the Lord of Snakes thing is a myth, this was just an excuse to throw out the Ophiuchus connections I'd noticed :P -
03-03-2015, 02:05 AMtreuhavikSo, the "Heart of Sabik", used to empower Ultima Weapon, was taken from Elidibus who was, when mortal, The Lord of Snakes, killed and eaten by Garuda... My head hurts, I forgot my hat.Quote:
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Very interesting. Though, realistically, it's probably all allusion. I wonder what other connections will be made with the Ascians and Zodiacs. ...wait, what if... No... -
03-03-2015, 04:56 AMAnonymoose"What if the Ascians are connected to another group of Twelve things?" If that's the question, that does come and go.Quote:
Originally Posted by treuhavik
The legends say the Twelve left at the beginning of the age of man and the Ascians act as though a rift separates our peoples - that the world has lost its true form. Sometimes I get caught up in that paranoia, too. Sometimes I also get caught up in the possibility of Eorzean atheism. But, for some reason, I just can't get go of a little faith. The Twelve were always such a big part of the promotional materials, and the Moogles once claimed that the Elementals told them that the Gridanian Warrior of Light was a messenger of Nophica's intent. Something just feels wrong about Hydaelyn whispering in our ear about Darkness and Evil in reference to the same entities (unless their corruption is the whole point). -
03-03-2015, 05:15 AMtreuhavikThat's always the question!Quote:
Originally Posted by Anonymoose
I'm...just so confused, Moose. Hold me... *single tear as eyes close*Quote:
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03-03-2015, 06:18 AMBelhi
I remember a part of the Main Scenario where the Ascians taught young Ala Magan's a method of summoning one of the Twelve, Rhalgr I think, in the same way as you summon a primal. Of course those youths were very unlikely to succeed but it raised the question for me as to weather they would summon the actual Rhalgr or merely a primal shaped as the image of their worship.
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03-03-2015, 06:23 AMAnonymooseGaius, too, implied that any attempt to summon the Twelve would result in them appearing as eikons (icons), false images of gods. I always imagined that's why the End of an Era played out like it did. Louisoix tapped into the prayers of thousands doing the stone pilgrimage and what was summoned was literally a bunch of aetheric symbols binding Bahamut in an imitation Dalamud as if specifically answering people begging, "Please just lock that thing back up and put it back where it came from." If the final outcome would have been anything different, I doubt Louisoix's original plan would have been to kill himself just before the end to prevent them from manifesting corporeally. (If you haven't read the Tale from the Calamity about that, Louisoix didn't plan on coming back, either way. The fact he died facing Bahamut instead of instantly severing the ritual was incidental.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Belhi
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03-03-2015, 10:44 AMEdellisYeah they're an actual thing, the whole thing with Bahamut and Midgardsormr seem to reference their existence directly.Quote:
Originally Posted by treuhavik
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03-07-2015, 08:56 PMZohar_LaharPretty sure that's the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Belhi
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03-08-2015, 01:48 AMmyahele
What if Primal's 1st manifested themselves like Louisoix? In the precipice of their death the prayer of the their people "transformed" them into said primal to defeat their foe?
The difference being there were plenty of witnesses to that event to perpetuate the Primal.
Although, I am of the belief that the Elemental Primals(excluding Shiva, Mog, maybe the future ones) exhisted when the world was young and may have helped (in a small way) to creat the world.
There was a Lominsan legend of Nym tasking a great serpent to bring for water to the new formed land, but it got out of hand and planned of flooding the new world. It was sealed. This sounds like Leviathan
On the subject of Garuda's original personality. Wind is a healing spell if you look closely when cures are being cast. Then there 2nd winds and chirada heals. -
03-08-2015, 02:04 AMlololinkThat Serpent was Thalaos I think.Quote:
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03-09-2015, 02:50 AMWaffilicious
Well i still like the original ff story of the warriors of light and warriors of darkness they are neither good or bad they rise when the other get out of control, what if ascians where the warriors of dark of old times now corrupted.