Ifrit-Egi has higher potency, but less damage...

I did a test on the 2 and Garuda does about 100 more damage than Ifrit with just his basic attack, if he adds his auto attack, he does around the same as Garuda. I dont understand why its like this. Unless Ifrit gets a modifier that ignores enemy armour, Garuda will be the go to choice no matter what. Granted I havnt tested this with the Monk blunt resistance debuff so who knows, maybe thats Ifrit's saving grace. But even then, I'd rather have Garuda as she has contagion which helps with mana management.

Even without slashing/blunt debuffs, Burning Strike + Auto-Attack is about 20% stronger than Wind Blade

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Originally Posted by ShinryuReishiki

Even without slashing/blunt debuffs, Burning Strike + Auto-Attack is about 20% stronger than Wind Blade

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But there are times where Ifrit doesnt auto attack. He seems to use it whenever he pleases.

The only time it doesn't auto-attack is if it's not in range or is put on Steady. Otherwise, it will auto-attack every 3s regardless of whatever else it is doing.

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Originally Posted by Lilyarel

I did a test on the 2 and Garuda does about 100 more damage than Ifrit with just his basic attack, if he adds his auto attack, he does around the same as Garuda. I dont understand why its like this. Unless Ifrit gets a modifier that ignores enemy armour, Garuda will be the go to choice no matter what. Granted I havnt tested this with the Monk blunt resistance debuff so who knows, maybe thats Ifrit's saving grace. But even then, I'd rather have Garuda as she has contagion which helps with mana management.

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I am afraid you are mistaken. Ifrit is proven to be significantly higher DPS than garuda once you get weapons with ilvl110 or greater. Not sure how you did your test, but something is incorrect there

Garuda does not have auto-attacks in the truest meaning of the word. All her DPS comes from abilites.

I did a quick dummy parse for you to demonstrate:

Garuda-Egi: 89 DPS
Ifrit-Egi: 103 DPS
Ifrit-Egi + Dkick: 115 DPS

The parses were only 3 minutes long and done with the High Allagan Grimoire, but you can see quite a significant difference already.

Even though ifrit has higher damage output, I prefer to use him on the adds, and use garuda for the bosses. Contagion really helps in long battles.

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Originally Posted by Bigcat9715

Even though ifrit has higher damage output, I prefer to use him on the adds, and use garuda for the bosses. Contagion really helps in long battles.

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Unfortunately, summon switching is difficult to use without causing more damage to yourself from the massive mana cost to resummon. Contagion DPS increase alone is not enough to make up the difference in attack power from ifrit. The one thing that contagion can do is to make SMN MP pool go a little further since they do not have to recast DoT's as much, but this gain is very minimal. No matter how many times I try, Garuda nevers performs for me like Ifrit does.

The only time I will ever use Garuda is if there is frequent target switching, frequent melee knockback abilities, when I have to have magical pet damage (Cube in T11)(ifrit is physical damage), or a significant amount of AoE damage (cause contagion+Bane = love)

Does stun still have diminished return that prevent Ifrit from just being on Sic? It's crappy I have a nice 110 potency attack that I can't use in case the mob needs to be stunned.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

Does stun still have diminished return that prevent Ifrit from just being on Sic? It's crappy I have a nice 110 potency attack that I can't use in case the mob needs to be stunned.

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yes, stuns from egi's do still add to the diminishing return system that FFXIV uses. Though this only matters on a small number of bosses so if you know ahead of time, you can adjust accordingly

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Originally Posted by Tex_Mex

I am afraid you are mistaken. Ifrit is proven to be significantly higher DPS than garuda once you get weapons with ilvl110 or greater. Not sure how you did your test, but something is incorrect there

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I just had them attack mobs.
Garuda did about 280 per attack
Ifrit did about 190 per attack
My item lvl is 116.

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Originally Posted by Lilyarel

I just had them attack mobs.
Garuda did about 280 per attack
Ifrit did about 190 per attack
My item lvl is 116.

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The damage per attack does not matter. What matters is the total damage over time. Yes, ifrit's main ability only does around 190 per attack, but if you watch closely, there are multiple additional numbers showing up from his auto attack. When you add both the auto attack and his regular attack together, ifrit does about 20% more damage in the same amount of time because Garuda has no auto attack. This is why ifrit's damage output is higher.

Basically:
Garuda: 280 per attack
Ifrit: 190 per attack (ability) plus 145 per attack (auto attack) = 335 per attack

Numbers are not exact, but that is the main point

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Originally Posted by Tex_Mex

Unfortunately, summon switching is difficult to use without causing more damage to yourself from the massive mana cost to resummon. Contagion DPS increase alone is not enough to make up the difference in attack power from ifrit. The one thing that contagion can do is to make SMN MP pool go a little further since they do not have to recast DoT's as much, but this gain is very minimal. No matter how many times I try, Garuda nevers performs for me like Ifrit does.

The only time I will ever use Garuda is if there is frequent target switching, frequent melee knockback abilities, when I have to have magical pet damage (Cube in T11)(ifrit is physical damage), or a significant amount of AoE damage (cause contagion+Bane = love)

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I wish they would remove or lower the Mp cost for summoning. It hurts your dps alot when they die and you need to resummon them. It hurts even more after being rez and having 0 Mp if you don't have stacks. You know they should do is make Summoning cost Tp instead.

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Originally Posted by Tex_Mex

The damage per attack does not matter. What matters is the total damage over time. Yes, ifrit's main ability only does around 190 per attack, but if you watch closely, there are multiple additional numbers showing up from his auto attack. When you add both the auto attack and his regular attack together, ifrit does about 20% more damage in the same amount of time. This is why his damage output is higher.

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Even with his auto attack it did about 100 damage. That added up with his strike is about 290, the same amount of damage Garuda has.

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Originally Posted by Bigcat9715

I wish they would remove the cost for summoning. It hurts your dps alot when they die and you need to resummon them.

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If they did do this, then they would likely have to make the SMN pets abilities share cooldowns because switching out for AoE phases could be really powerful (though pretty micro intensive). But ya, the high mana cost is not really that necessary

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Originally Posted by Lilyarel

Even with his auto attack it did about 100 damage. That added up with his strike is about 290, the same amount of damage Garuda has.

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There is a little bit more to take into account, like cast times of abilities and such. You will have a hard time seeing it unless you can use a parsing tool. But trust me, the damage difference IS there

You also need to take rouse and spur into account, which both buff ifrit to a greater extent than they buff garuda (due to ifrit's naturally higher attack power)

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Originally Posted by Tex_Mex

If they did do this, then they would likely have to make the SMN pets abilities share cooldowns because switching out for AoE phases could be really powerful (though pretty micro intensive). But ya, the high mana cost is not really that necessary

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SMN pets abilities already share cooldown. Example: flame crush and contagion share the same action slot, so if one is on cooldown the other will be as well. The best way to tell which pet ability share the same cooldown is by the recast time.

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Originally Posted by Bigcat9715

SMN pets abilities already share cooldown. Example: flame crush and contagion share the same action slot, so if one is on cooldown the other will be as well. The best way to tell which pet ability share the same cooldown is by the recast time.

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Oh nice, I did not know that they shared one. then ya the MP cost for summons is entirely unnecessary

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Originally Posted by Tex_Mex

Oh nice, I did not know that they shared one. then ya the MP cost for summons is entirely unnecessary

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Yup, like I said they should make Summoning cost Tp instead. I know that tp is for weapon skills, but you are technically writing into a book to summon a creature from the aether plans soooooooo..........

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Yup, like I said they should make Summoning cost Tp instead. I know that tp is for weapon skills, but you are technically writing into a book to summon a creature from the aether plans soooooooo..........

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Now you want Summoners to have carpal tunnel syndrome? Dont they have enough problems already?

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Originally Posted by Lilyarel

Now you want Summoners to have carpal tunnel syndrome? Dont they have enough problems already?

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People with carpal tunnel syndrome have weak arms. You can get it from a lot of things. I was making a joke because using up TP is like theyre physically exhausting themselves from Summoning all the time.

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Originally Posted by Lilyarel

People with carpal tunnel syndrome have weak arms. You can get it from a lot of things. I was making a joke because using up TP is like theyre physically exhausting themselves from Summoning all the time.

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Heh. I just got the joke. HEH HEH.

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Originally Posted by Sentinillia

Heh. I just got the joke. HEH HEH.

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Now there's a sig that can cause epilepsy.

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amongst other things

For OP. what you are seeing is that mobs have higher physical defense than they do magic defense.

So although Garuda's Wind Blade has 100 Potency and Ifrit's Flaming Crush has 120 Potency, Garuda's Wind Blade does a whole lot more damage.

But yeah, like others have said Ifrit + AA > Garuda