Wards full again

Please reset the market wards in Selbina. There is not one open spot to summon a retainer in the masons ward in Selbina again.

While you're at it, scrap the graphic representations of retainers.

For all those flamers that are going to say summon your retainer somewhere else. "No"

All three mason wards are full?

You really think you are going to be able to sell something if they are all full?

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Originally Posted by Crica

All three mason wards are full?

You really think you are going to be able to sell something if they are all full?

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Undercutting works miracles, I heard.

Dear SE,

Your Ducktape didnt work. Go ahead and open up an Ebay style AH that is world wide connected.

Hugs and Kisses,
Tony Montana

I find it amazing you "have to" be in the masons ward

just take another ward im sure they have room

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Originally Posted by Zelas

Undercutting works miracles, I heard.

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Possibly...unless YOU get undercut as well by someone who doesn't care if they are on the mason wards, hehe!

However, even FFXI had AH limits.

Pretend your seven slots are full and go bazaar your items, maybe?

=P

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Originally Posted by Zelas

Undercutting works miracles, I heard.

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Well until people undercut you as well, I had somthing about 30k less than the lowesst once, and withing about 10 mins mine had been undercut

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While you're at it, scrap the (...) retainers.

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+1
Stupidest AH-replacement ever.

Some of you people with your amazing ideas on how to get around not being able to sell your things in the proper ward make me laugh. Let's go to the auto parts store to buy some food. Lets carry a bag of crap and hope someone looks into it and buys something.

Get over yourself and your wonderfull ideas.

The wards are segregated for a reason. If it's fail, say it's fail, or fix it.

Aside from changing it, or making a new way to sell stuff. I say just make it reset like once a week. Then if you are not active, you don't get to sell things. That is just my option though.

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Originally Posted by Rinsui

Why? She said it's a fail. That's the right to wake up on for me.

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people who have spoken out against not liking the wards dont need to make a new thread about it every week trying to find some new underlying excuse to do so

just keep the old threads revived

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Originally Posted by Aloysous

Aside from changing it, or making a new way to sell stuff. I say just make it reset like once a week. Then if you are not active, you don't get to sell things. That is just my option though.

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people would complain even more
once a week was what happened when we crashed the wards and reset, do you really think people wanna go back to having to replace their retainers every so often?

No, I agree it would be a pain. It would have its pros and cons just like any other Idea or fix for this. I just hate trying to place my retainer and having it be full. I will admit if I'm not keeping up on my retainer, I'm just taking up space some one else could use.

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Originally Posted by Aloysous

No, I agree it would be a pain. It would have its pros and cons just like any other Idea or fix for this. I just hate trying to place my retainer and having it be full. I will admit if I'm not keeping up on my retainer, I'm just taking up space some one else could use.

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i have 10 retainers in my ward so i cant talk lol

Lol, so bottom line it this is an area needing some attention. Not just a "band aid" for temporary fix.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

Well until people undercut you as well, I had somthing about 30k less than the lowesst once, and withing about 10 mins mine had been undercut

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And this is why undercutting is retarded. You're just shooting yourself in the foot. Some people have multiple characters with one always by the wards so when you undercut them you'll find yourself undercut soon after. So it becomes an annoying game of who can sit by the wards the longest and relist their crap the fastest. This is why I'm more for a price history style AH like XI than a current price listing.

But hey this is benefiting me right now, the casuals don't have multiple characters logged in and nor do they have the time to camp the wards. Flooding the lowest 20 with NQs is fun too when someone undercuts your HQs from the wrong ward. They either move their retainer or get pushed out the market completely since people will only check the correct ward. Shitty tactics to combat shitty players. :P

And people called me a troll when I said MW can't be fixed. No matter how much patchwork you do on this Frankenstein, it's still a rotten monster that nobody can deal with.

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Originally Posted by Xenor

And this is why undercutting is retarded. You're just shooting yourself in the foot. Some people have multiple characters with one always by the wards so when you undercut them you'll find yourself undercut soon after. So it becomes an annoying game of who can sit by the wards the longest and relist their crap the fastest. This is why I'm more for a price history style AH like XI than a current price listing.

But hey this is benefiting me right now, the casuals don't have multiple characters logged in and nor do they have the time to camp the wards. Flooding the lowest 20 with NQs is fun too when someone undercuts your HQs from the wrong ward. They either move their retainer or get pushed out the market completely since people will only check the correct ward. Shitty tactics to combat shitty players. :P

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Heh, you think undercutting didn't happen in FFXI? It did. And I participated in some very heated undercutting competitions. Since I was selling reraise hairpins, which sell like hot cakes, all I had to do was check the name of the last person to sell an item. If it wasn't me, it means I was undercut and I'd relist all my items.

You can't stop undercutting. It's capitalism 101.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Heh, you think undercutting didn't happen in FFXI? It did. And I participated in some very heated undercutting competitions. Since I was selling reraise hairpins, which sell like hot cakes, all I had to do was check the name of the last person to sell an item. If it wasn't me, it means I was undercut and I'd relist all my items.

You can't stop undercutting. It's capitalism 101.

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people will always complain about undercutting, how the current system causes it, no matter what system you have, and what game you are in
and they will always claim there is a way to fix it, a way that includes making it like another game
that other game..which also has undercutting

people are just blind, undercutting is imposible to get rid of

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

And people called me a troll when I said MW can't be fixed. No matter how much patchwork you do on this Frankenstein, it's still a rotten monster that nobody can deal with.

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Let people buy and sell items from the item search screen.

/fixed.

"NO WE NEED A PHYSICAL PLACE CALLED AUCTION HOUSE OTHERWISE ITS NO GOOD"

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

And people called me a troll when I said MW can't be fixed. No matter how much patchwork you do on this Frankenstein, it's still a rotten monster that nobody can deal with.

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Best part is, they've yet to actually dedicate time to it for obvious reasons. A small fix here and there isn't on the scale of attention like the battle system is receiving.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Let people buy and sell items from the item search screen.

/fixed.

"NO WE NEED A PHYSICAL PLACE CALLED AUCTION HOUSE OTHERWISE ITS NO GOOD"

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Also, this.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Let people buy and sell items from the item search screen.

/fixed.

"NO WE NEED A PHYSICAL PLACE CALLED AUCTION HOUSE OTHERWISE ITS NO GOOD"

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Doesn't fix the full ward problem. Take your own sig's advice for once.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Doesn't fix the full ward problem. Take your own sig's advice for once.

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What's the point of keeping your retainer in the (correct) ward when the majority of buying and selling is handled separately?

The original concept of MW hasn't existed since the addition of item search (making it downright trollish to argue that a concept that hasn't existed for months can't be fixed. No shit sherlock). Expanding it to cover the tasks of an AH is the next step.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

What's the point of keeping your retainer in the (correct) ward when the majority of buying and selling is handled separately?

The original concept of MW hasn't existed since the addition of item search. Expanding it to cover the tasks of an AH is the next step.

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Because even if you spread out the retainers across multiple wards, there will be a point where ALL wards are full or the system is, again, too laggy. What was our limit before the server fixes? ~600 retainers? What's our limit now? Can this machine support retainers from 1000 players? 2000? 10,000? Somehow I doubt it. The limit for a menu/text based system is several orders of magnitude higher than this.

Keeping physical retainers incurs a huge, huge overhead for simple actions like item transactions and places a completely unnecessary strain on the machine. It makes the design awkward and unintuitive at best, and probably equally hard to develop further.

And there is absolutely no functionality that MW does now that can't be replicated in an infinitely more user-friendly menu/text based system.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Because even if you spread out the retainers across multiple wards, there will be a point where ALL wards are full or the system is, again, too laggy. What was our limit before the server fixes? ~600 retainers? What's our limit now? Can this machine support retainers from 1000 players? 2000? 10,000? Somehow I doubt it. The limit for a menu/text based system is several orders of magnitude higher than this.

Keeping physical retainers incurs a huge, huge overhead for simple actions like item transactions and places a completely unnecessary strain on the machine. It makes the design awkward and unintuitive at best, and probably equally hard to develop further.

And there is absolutely no functionality that MW does now that can't be replicated in an infinitely more user-friendly menu/text based system.

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the limit to fill all the wards in a single city was closer to 6000 retainers actualy, not 600

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

the limit to fill all the wards in a single city was closer to 6000 retainers actualy, not 600

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It was/is crashing with ~1000, so that hard limit is pointless.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Because even if you spread out the retainers across multiple wards, there will be a point where ALL wards are full or the system is, again, too laggy. What was our limit before the server fixes? ~600 retainers? What's our limit now? Can this machine support retainers from 1000 players? 2000? 10,000? Somehow I doubt it. The limit for a menu/text based system is several orders of magnitude higher than this.

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Again, why must all the retainers be physically there at all times if they aren't selling anything? They could still divide it somewhat to make certain items sold in there (kinda like bazaars in XI) but even still most retainers only need to be called out occasionally and you wouldn't even need to be in the ward to do so.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Again, why must all the retainers be physically there at all times if they aren't selling anything? They could still divide it somewhat to make certain items sold in there (kinda like bazaars in XI) but even still most retainers only need to be called out occasionally and you wouldn't even need to be in the ward to do so.

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But what if they ARE selling everything? What if the system crashes when only 75% of the people on the server want to sell items? If you have a simple, easy to implement system that can handle the worst case scenario, why on earth would you implement a more complex system that can't handle the worst case scenario?

the best soultion to full wards

your retainer cant stay if it has nothing to sell...


they already mentioned checks and balances being implemented to fix the problem in the future

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

the best soultion to full wards

your retainer cant stay if it has nothing to sell...


they already mentioned checks and balances being implemented to fix the problem in the future

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What happens if everyone's retainer is selling something?

Insert the ability to see price histories, proceed to make buying straight from the search screen.

Let people call it MW if they want but market the feature as WE HAVE AN AH NOW!!!! To the masses of people who left because of the lack of this very system that 20% of the people wanted in the poll.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

What happens if everyone's retainer is selling something?

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then they are all selling something, tough luck

but alot of people have nothing up and they are placeholders

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

then they are all selling something, tough luck

but alot of people have nothing up and they are placeholders

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That's a BS answer. "Tough luck" is not an answer you want to give to a player when he/she can't sell an item, especially when you can fix it.

"What if" situations seem a bit stupid to bring up at this point. The fact is, not every retainer is selling something. FFXIV is receiving its fixes over time. The market wards work and work pretty well. These "band-aids" are enough to keep the system functional while they focus on more important matters.
We had alot in this last patch that we didnt see coming. It's fair to assume that we'll see the same in the next two patches. Dont be surprised if some overhaul to the wards is in those patches

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

That's a BS answer. "Tough luck" is not an answer you want to give to a player when he/she can't sell an item, especially when you can fix it.

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ok lets giv you the real answer then

use another ward! stop being so stubborn

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

But what if they ARE selling everything? What if the system crashes when only 75% of the people on the server want to sell items? If you have a simple, easy to implement system that can handle the worst case scenario, why on earth would you implement a more complex system that can't handle the worst case scenario?

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What?

I already addressed how to fix this with a simple, yet slightly time consuming addition. Like I already said, the original concept of MW was buried with the addition of item search. The hardest part is already done.

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Originally Posted by Leenk

"What if" situations seem a bit stupid to bring up at this point. The fact is, not every retainer is selling something. FFXIV is receiving its fixes over time.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best,_w...d_average_case

"What if" scenarios aren't stupid, they're part of designing good programs.

It boggles my mind that you guys are defending a patently worse and less user friendly system over a simpler and dramatically superior one.

The wards.
Like warts,
on the emerging face
of a developing game.

Put your retainers into other cities and sell =)
"You can't sell sh*t in other cities." Well, it's not that EVERYBODY lives in Ul'dah.

I wonder if any MMO made in the next 10 years by a huge corp. like SE will choose to make their MMO without an AH? I wonder if the rest of the industry learned (if they didnt already know) the pitfalls of not having an AH. SE is being taught first hand but they are slow learners.