Done with crafting

Not that anyone really cares, nor do I want them to care.. I just need to get this little bit out. Yep calling it quits on crafting. I usually love crafting, I expect a challenge and for it to not just be handed to me.. but there comes a point when I just don't have the free time to even begin playing catch up.

Spent a while on crafting now, got everything to 50 for both DoL and DoH.. now they released new items for both last patch. So I was playing catch up to that at first.. not i'm further behind and from the horror stories i keep hearing on melding (and my own experiences..) I think I'm better off not bothering. As a mother of two I have a number of other things I can spend what little free time I get during the day.

This saddens me to be honest that I can't craft.. normally crafting in a mmo is what I turn to when I want to just relax or spend some time not running dungeons or killing things in general. Personally I feel sorry for people who come new to the game and plan to craft.. but I wish them the best of luck. Also I dread seeing what crazy hoops you have to jump through in order to craft in the upcoming expansion. >_<

This being said I admit I am also not as excited as I once was for player housing or even getting a personal room due to being unable to craft half the items I planned on getting for the FC or my own use.

There end rant.. done (least it's not another god hunts are broken or pvp sucks thread!).

Oh my god, SE dared to add DoH content, how could they do such a thing

I mean don't you see the extra content as a way of forcing you to specialize rather than an expectation that you're going to get every Supra? Also melding isn't that bad, especially if you can make a bunch of ilvl 55 accessories to convert your own materia.

I'm focusing mainly on Mining and Leatherworking. I'm planning on melding other sets later but right now I'm just trying to decide what crafters I ought to level up.

edit: I personally don't like the idea that I need to cap most crafters to truly specialize in one crafter. I mean what would you have said in response to a thread where I thought leveling all my crafts to 50 took too much time? Just because they add in something you can't grind out as fast as you want isn't a real reason to give up on it. I've grinded most of my mining and LTW gear and it was probably only around 1 million-ish. Give or take whatever I blew on stupid desynth buys (which were definitely stupid).

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Originally Posted by Sove92

Oh my god, SE dared to add DoH content, how could they do such a thing

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saw this coming.. but anyway.. it's more the way they did it.. they can add new content all they want. I was just saying I'm done with it. people with more free time and endless gil pockets can have at it. ^^

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I mean don't you see the extra content as a way of forcing you to specialize rather than an expectation that you're going to get every Supra? Also melding isn't that bad, especially if you can make a bunch of ilvl 55 accessories to convert your own materia.

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I do, but the issue is I can't/don't have the time to get the gil or bind all of the materia (even if none of it failed and I don't see that happening). It's just not what i'm looking for personally in new content as far as crafting goes. As I said.. I look to crafting to be relaxing and I don't get this vibe anymore from FF's system.

But you have all the DoH/DoL to 50 anyways! You're more than halfway there!
You can make the gear to spirit bond yourself for the materia and work your way there for the new MH's and the 3 stars. Honestly don't give up, I don't think you realize JUST HOW MANY players do not have all their crafting jobs leveled up and what an advantage you already have!

Grats on getting them all to level 50. I've gotten like 3 to 15 and want to scoop my eyeballs out with an ice cream scoop. :D

I mean honestly, I think you're really over estimating the melding process. If you want to do it for ALL the crafts and then be doing 3 Stars for ALL YOUR CRAFTS yeah it's going to be too much. Though if you just focus a little, you should be fine.

I would suggest you don't worry about rushing to make all the new stuff right away. That IS a gil and time sink. It will still be there later on when you get around to it. :) Try to take a low stress approach. Make lower level stuff for friends, gather for a while to stock up on mats, sell some easy to make HQ items for some gil.

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Oh my god, SE dared to add DoH content, how could they do such a thing

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I don't think it's the point they added more but they added even more right after that. Would have been nice to just let us upgrade our original relics in the first place but they made us mine, harvest, fish and craft for new gear and tools only to screw us that worked hard getting them and still working on some. This is SE's problem, they put little thought into what they do and end up messing everyone up.

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I don't think it's the point they added more but they added even more right after that. Would have been nice to just let us upgrade our original relics in the first place but they made us mine, harvest, fish and craft for new gear and tools only to screw us that worked hard getting them and still working on some. This is SE's problem, they put little thought into what they do and end up messing everyone up.

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Thank you xD this was the point I was trying to get across.. i just fail at words. :3

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You don't have to be a pro. Just use it for crafting HQ stuff to spiritbond for novus/gil on the marketplace for people novus'ing.
It's a small consolation, but what you've done isn't worthless.

I understand what you are saying and I've honestly come to the conclusion that the best way to play this game efficiently is tragically to unsub for 6 months and then come back (or even more efficiently rotate every 3 months). This might not make sense initially but it's an error at the very core of the game.

Because they make timesinks in 6 month rotations, opting out for a rotation means when u come back that sink will be less formidable, but you end up able to complete it more efficiently later. So what implemented to sink the content is either completely able to be bypassed (like doh/dol) or becomes unlocked in dow.

About the only aspect of the game this doesnt particularly apply to is Relic DoW upgrades, but those are never as good as what u 'can' get without bothering with that system. There is a possibility this will be true also with the DoH/DoL upgrades and they have more potential utility than the DoW relics since there isn't any instantly better and rival options at their release but there's no way to be sure until their 6 month rotation occurs.

Of course another way to do it that doesnt involve unsubing is to do DoW for 3 months then do DoH/DoL for 3 months, but trying to stay current at both at the same time throughout is completely pointless the way they have decided to go about implementing content. But that way depends on whether you see the value in the sub if you abandon one part for another every 3 months.

Rotating what you do when u play every 3 months can be detrimental to the groups you play with if they don't agree with the utility of it, but the 6 month life-cycles of the game makes it to where if u do manage this appropriately you can get more done with limited time over-all.

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I don't think it's the point they added more but they added even more right after that. Would have been nice to just let us upgrade our original relics in the first place but they made us mine, harvest, fish and craft for new gear and tools only to screw us that worked hard getting them and still working on some. This is SE's problem, they put little thought into what they do and end up messing everyone up.

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I honestly don't get this. Your problem is that they put in the Forager's stuff? If they just left that out and you were attempting to get your Supra Relic without the Spectacles and Forager's Tool it'd be somehow better?

I mean it does seem overwhelming when I think about all the work that goes into Supra, but I really don't have an issue if they add new recipes with a few incremental upgrades to make things easier for someone who hasn't fully melded everything yet.

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I honestly don't get this. Your problem is that they put in the Forager's stuff? If they just left that out and you were attempting to get your Supra Relic without the Spectacles and Forager's Tool it'd be somehow better?

I mean it does seem overwhelming when I think about all the work that goes into Supra, but I really don't have an issue if they add new recipes with a few incremental upgrades to make things easier for someone who hasn't fully melded everything yet.

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That is exactly what I'm saying.

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I don't think it's the point they added more but they added even more right after that. Would have been nice to just let us upgrade our original relics in the first place but they made us mine, harvest, fish and craft for new gear and tools only to screw us that worked hard getting them and still working on some. This is SE's problem, they put little thought into what they do and end up messing everyone up.

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That's honestly the worst way to be looking at 2.3 crafting/gathering content. There is literally nothing that you cannot make or gather without the new equips. 2.2 gear is all you need to make any 3 star recipe, even the augmented and primal goods. There's very little change involved even after acquiring the i75 weapons, as you'll still need to have at least some HQ mats to reliably HQ the result (just as it is without i75 weapons).

The way I look at it, the new equips and such help remove some of the reliance on materia to reach the required minimum to make 3 star goods. I mean just getting the Dodore HQ gives you 5 extra control by a base stat... that's 1+ less materia to have to worry about to reach minimum 3 star reqs. And that's just the belt.

Even if you are new to crafting, you have to have a decent strategy to survive. Not enough shards? There's a special way to quickly gain thousands without buying or gathering. Not enough gil but tons of shards/crystals/clusters? Why not sell some? For a new player, selling goods that you may not even realize you have is a part of surviving the market that they need to pick up for themselves. There are tons of goods that one can gather themselves in minutes that will lead to 30k+ profit. T1 materia selling for a decent profit? I can farm up 11+ of them in around 5min. That's no exaggeration neither. Given the price that craft/gathering materia costs, that 11+ materia is a minimum 50k profit on my server. There's seriously so many ways that people can work the economy, regardless of how outrageous some goods may be, to get what they want. Things won't just be handed to people (usually), if they really want something... think a little outside the box. Maybe apply some RL strategies.

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Honestly I'm curious about what exactly you're referring to here. Making an alt and doing the first couple DoH quests?

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Honestly I'm curious about what exactly you're referring to here. Making an alt and doing the first couple DoH quests?

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Yep, that. Seems to get a lot of flack when it's actually mentioned, so didn't bother.

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Oh really...? *Makes several alts*

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Oh really...? *Makes several alts*

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As someone who does this from time to time, it gets REALLY tedious sitting through the intro (I just AFK) and leveling them to 10, then finishing the first few class quests. I highly recommend being plvl'd, it saves a lot of time. And depending on server, you can only make alts during late/early hours lol... locked out from making new characters otherwise.

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As a mother of two I have a number of other things I can spend what little free time I get during the day.

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I think people have failed to realize this is the most important factor in your decision. Sure, people can say, "Oh I have a full-time job/college and I have enough time to play." Most of the time they aren't responsible for the lives of other people. I can hardly blame you for not wanting to continue the ridiculous grind of crafting.

We can just go back to the 2.1 economy if you are all ok with that, making things hard adds value to the job.

I personally liked becoming an Armorsmith a lot more in Vanilla WoW than I ever liked the Blacksmith trade after that. Once they added in the extra sockets it just felt like everyone had it, and because everyone could crafter there was little market.

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I think people have failed to realize this is the most important factor in your decision. Sure, people can say, "Oh I have a full-time job/college and I have enough time to play." Most of the time they aren't responsible for the lives of other people. I can hardly blame you for not wanting to continue the ridiculous grind of crafting.

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^^; that pretty much is my full time job, i get a few hours of gameplay a day. I might be on most of the day/night but odds are I'm afk. I might swing by the computer to reply to a message if i see a tell or something asked in FC. I really don't want to spend my little bit of time grinding materia.. as fun as that sounds I think my friends would be sad if I said no all the time due to crafting.

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^^; that pretty much is my full time job, i get a few hours of gameplay a day. I might be on most of the day/night but odds are I'm afk. I might swing by the computer to reply to a message if i see a tell or something asked in FC. I really don't want to spend my little bit of time grinding materia.. as fun as that sounds I think my friends would be sad if I said no all the time due to crafting.

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I totally get where you're coming from. It's a tedious grind that doesn't feel like the end rewards justify the means to get there.

Plus, having to raise little ones isn't all that easy. And even if they're teenagers or going into college, it still isn't easy. As a parent, you always worry.

Honestly, it's really easy to disparage anything in the world with this "think of the children" defense but this grind is not that bad, OP is level 50 in all DoH and frankly they're just afraid of melding for no good reason. If they'd just pick a class to focus on I'm sure they'd be doing 2 stars and 3 stars in no time.

Yes if you want 3 Star and Supra for all your crafting classes it's a massive grind, but that's your own fault. Making a system that discourages everyone from passively achieving 3 star recipes from a few hours a night for a week or two is just better for the economy and game. I'll definitely prefer a system where people are weeded out (even I myself am weeded out since I don't have all my DoH at 50) as opposed to one where there is no demand since EVERYONE has all the same crafting ability.

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Could always just focus on Culinarian... ;x

You don't need to do it all. That's like saying you're going to upgrade every relic for all your jobs. That's crazy.

It is better to focus on one, maybe two, that can help with your other jobs. I started with culinarian because I felt it was the easiest of the eight and was quickly able to get my i70 glasses and frypan. Now with desynth available, I have an easy way to attain more i70 glasses that I can break down on my goldsmith.

Sure, there are some people who probably do have all their i70 tools for every craft, but they probably also have large FCs to support them in the process.

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Honestly I'm curious about what exactly you're referring to here. Making an alt and doing the first couple DoH quests?

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You need to have your main class at level 10 for this before you can sign up for a DoH quest.
You'd be faster farming them the old fashioned way.

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You need to have your main class at level 10 for this before you can sign up for a DoH quest.
You'd be faster farming them the old fashioned way.

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It depends on how efficient you are in the process of leveling the combat class and how far you wish to go with the DoH ones. Got someone to plvl you? 10-20min and you're done with the leveling part. No plvl? Spend around 1-2hrs, depending. If you only go to lv5 DoH classes, you're done in several minutes for each. If you go for lv10, might take you around 10-20min per once you get your routine down, but your shard yield is significantly improved for getting that far in each craft of the town. I walk away with around 2000 shards (various types involved) for each alt if I choose Ul'dah.

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Yes if you want 3 Star and Supra for all your crafting classes it's a massive grind, but that's your own fault. Making a system that discourages everyone from passively achieving 3 star recipes from a few hours a night for a week or two is just better for the economy and game. I'll definitely prefer a system where people are weeded out (even I myself am weeded out since I don't have all my DoH at 50) as opposed to one where there is no demand since EVERYONE has all the same crafting ability.

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People keep using this "better for the economy" argument. But what actual good does this bring to the economy? Higher prices? I don't want to sacrifice fun just so a few players can fulfill their dreams of cornering the market while the rest of the playerbase is stuck farming for gil.

I don't see the point in working so hard to get to a point so quickly in an MMO, anyway. If you speed through content, you don't have the time to enjoy it. Kinda like eating a delicious meal at a gourmet restaurant.

I feel like I have all the time in the world right now, but I'm going back to college soon and, at that time, most of my spare time is gonna be eaten up by responsibilities. But even still, as much as I want to be a completionist and master everything, it's better to just take things slow and steady. Impatience often leads to failure, and that is true in a lot of things. Yet, ironically, there are many people who seem to embrace that impatience despite the failure it can sometimes bring.

C'est la vie.

Well after getting my first combat class to level 50 the first thing i did was leveling my crafters and my gatherers to level 50 and today the only one i still need to level is the fisher since i don't really care for him. I have materia only in the gear that is still shared between the crafters because in my eyes grinding materia is just plain boring. I don't mind if it isn't easy to get the new things but it would have been enough if they made it so that with decent gear you have a certain change to even make the item that you need to trade and that makes you need some fails before you have enough success. In my eyes putting materia into the gear should be something you do to have a better chance to get HQ or to have it easier to craft and not something you need so you even have a little chance at starting the craft at all.

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Rotating what you do when u play every 3 months can be detrimental to the groups you play with if they don't agree with the utility of it, but the 6 month life-cycles of the game makes it to where if u do manage this appropriately you can get more done with limited time over-all.

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I have to tell you, constantly shifting between "you" and "u" while the rest of your statements are grammatically well-written is driving me clinically insane.
Please stop.

Please?

I must say I agree with the OP. Not everyone has tons of time to sit there and craft or spirit bond for materia and not everyone has tons of cash laying around to buy said materia.
I recently started crafting and on melding accessories alone Im pretty sure I have spend about 1.5mil on materia's just trying to get those half way melded. Haven't even started on my actual class specific gears yet since I figured melding the accessories would be better since all the crafts can use em. Materia's on my server are pretty costly and with the success ratio Ive been having it would probably take me about 3-5 million gil to meld all of my gear (possibly more) if I only bought materia.

This being said, I do not have time to Spiritbond like some people do, and even if I did, the chances of me getting the right materia's within a decent time frame is doubtful. The whole gearing up and melding process has turned me off of crafting (and almost the game) completely. Luckily, my husband was smart in the beginning of launch and spent most of his time crafting back then when prices were lower on materia due to all the RMT issues. So he has all crafts maxed out in gear and melds and I can steal him to craft stuff for me... But its not exactly what I want. I dont like having to rely on his character for crafted stuff, so until I can make millions of gil to get through the melds on all my crafts I'll likely be frustrated, broke, and forced to rely on him or other crafters.

@Op, Don't Bother, with upcoming extension and new LvL cap any white item for LvL 60 will have a better ilvl/stat than any ultra grindy stuff you can make today.

Do not try to keep up with every crafting class. Pick two and it will be much easier for you. Or you can completely give up and the more people give up on it the less competition I'll have on the market which suits me fine.

I never could get crafting in XI because it was just bloody crazy right from the get go. I'm not a merchant type of player but I like being self sufficient to a degree so FFXIV's crafting was pretty great...at first. When people were crafting vanya robes and stuff in 2.0, I was just melding materias for relics for myself and friends, which was fine. Now that 3 stars are out, I can do /a little bit/ of 2 star crafting, which was fine. But now desynth and and even more higher stat synthing are out...I'm still at the same spot in crafting.

Every time I think about getting into the 3 star barrier, I look at the potential cost if I buy materias and the time spent if I spirit bond, I start asking myself "what am i doing this for again?". I look at the stuff that I will be able to make if I take the plunge and it's almost all...glamour tier. So much money just for that? What do those people who get rich off these even do with their money? Hell, I have a couple million on my hands from just duty bonuses and why am I even that unwilling to invest in crafting materia if it's just sitting there? Private housing? But I have a private room with cheap ass furnitures that I make myself and I'm pretty much done fitting it out and..I just stand in my room staring at the walls and then exit back out to do stuff. So if I pour money into crafting so I can make more fancier stuff for myself, would I even appreciate it?

Hell, combat content wise, I see so many people just content with tome gear and sanding it with hunts and I started asking myself, why do I want some HA pieces so bad if all that secondary stat math is just trivial in the min max scale and passing through mechanics and rotations weighs heavier than that? I feel like everything boils down to glamour and I feel...weird.