Lack of Game Play Diversity

Lack of in-game occurrences and events (not talking about seasonal events). Let's face it, this game has no true reason to explore the world of Eorzea once you get a job to 50 and complete the ridiculously easy Main Story.

Why do I want to do the same FATES over and over and over again? Why do I want to do the same Leves over and over and over again? Why do I want to do the same instances over and over and over again? Why do I have to rely on a group to get things done? What is the point in gear grinding? What is gear grinding helping you do other than grind to get more gear? THIS if not resolved WILL greatly effect this game's long term future.

There are cannons in Coerthas. Make some real in-game events. 30 minute random raids where people have to defend. Instead of the place looking aesthetically pleasing like most places, this can actually be ruined and damaged over time and become a contested zone where you can't port to until the zone has been neutralized.

Because all the development time and money has to be spent on keeping the people who farm Coil all day from getting bored.

I agree completely, the game is great, but it becomes dull very quickly. It looks like the developers have gone the route of focusing on making end-game content hard to keep players interested, instead of adding variety across the spectrum.

If they play that game they will eventually run into problems in the future, because every other MMO is also churning out challenging end-game content.

Reminds me of basic economics, they are creating a MMO service that is easily substituted with any other MMO service, if we don't have unpredictable events or "fun random content" there will be no lasting memories players can share together and keep them in love with FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by LordGrimlock

There are cannons in Coerthas. Make some real in-game events. 30 minute random raids where people have to defend. Instead of the place looking aesthetically pleasing like most places, this can actually be ruined and damaged over time and become a contested zone where you can't port to until the zone has been neutralized.

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I don't want another GW2.

Don't really think you grasped my point. That was an example of something you can do to spice things up a bit and make the game more interesting. That's not a definitive, "THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE! DO IT NOW!" :P

Erm suggestion noted then?

You're basically suggesting open world, non-party based, zone-sized (so large scale), goal-oriented battles where we contest for zones by capturing specific points or fulfilling certain goals?

I'd assume the developers have considered this open world game feature, which GW2 has, and I'm sure they did their homework on what features to implement but instead they decided to focus on end-game instanced content.

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And what's stopping this from becoming boring in itself? It seems repetitive and after you defend a zone a few times, if it's predictable, it soon becomes no more fun than one of our run-down over-farmed predictable dungeons. Now if the enemy forces used random tactics and everyone had to react and you had surprises or giant unexpected monsters that got summoned now and then in different random locations every time, perhaps it could be fun?

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Originally Posted by LordGrimlock

There are cannons in Coerthas. Make some real in-game events. 30 minute random raids where people have to defend. Instead of the place looking aesthetically pleasing like most places, this can actually be ruined and damaged over time and become a contested zone where you can't port to until the zone has been neutralized.

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Just to use this example....I've never seen this work as intended. usually it becomes a case of Well used zones the "monster attacks" are quickly quashed and it becomes more annoying than fun ( I mean seriously do you think Camp Dragon Head, Fall Gourd Float, Revenant's Toll will ever want for "defenders"?). and disused or low lvl zones are almost permenantly "Captured" and no one cares because no one goes there anyway (I mean how often was Xarcabard/ The deeper side of Yhtunga Jungle outpost actually open, and don't get me started on the mess that Tabula Rasa was)

You'd have to give player an actual incentive to defend the lesser used places... and being able to teleport there isn't enough, and then it would still be a case of, defend the well used places for easy reward/garunteed success. and then pick the easiest to defend places after that, and many other zones would still remain "Perma-Captured"

Ya it's very hard to balance because an open world zone could have unlimited number of players, so any attempt to add difficulty is quashed. And if you made monsters scale in difficulty with number of players, it's harder to add any strategy/tactic element to a zerg of people. Maybe with the right balance it's possible, but regardless any event like this would be a lot of development work for a not-so guaranteed improvement to the game.

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Originally Posted by Pandastirfry

Just to use this example....I've never seen this work as intended. usually it becomes a case of Well used zones the "monster attacks" are quickly quashed and it becomes more annoying than fun. and disused or low lvl zones are almost permenantly "Captured" and no one cares because no one goes there anyway (I mean how often was Xarcabard/ The deeper side of Yhtunga Jungle outpost actually open, and don't get me started on the mess that Tabula Rasa was)

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Pretty much this. In fact, it's the same issue FATEs have right now. They either get zerged or no one does them. Trying to teleport around Orr in GW2 was near impossible because more than half the zones were locked.

Crafting & Gathering, anyone?

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Originally Posted by Arkghyom

Crafting & Gathering, anyone?

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That's hardly content, just a boring time sink to gather useless materials to make useless gear and sell it for useless gil.

This game basically turns into "farm gear so you can farm better gear" and that's about it. How is that any different from any other MMO? I don't know. Maybe it's because the only real content in this game is dungeons that are either so easy I fall asleep or so difficult that you either have to be a masochist (pugging) or you have to turn it into a chore (static) to clear it. The only point in actually getting coil gear is for your e-peen. Once you have the full set there's nothing you can do with it except clear content you already find easy even easier.

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Originally Posted by Arkghyom

Crafting & Gathering, anyone?

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You think SE care about crafters.

Hahahahahaha.

My only real point here is that we need more to do as players because everything that they currently have got old within just a few short months of playing. I was just using the idea from my original post as an example. But I would have to agree with pretty much everyone who has posted thus far. My goal is to hopefully get them thinking to add new content that can serve all players that is outside of what they already have. Not content reinvented numerous times, but actual new mechanics to the game itself. ^_^

Welp this sure beats some of the other newer mmo. *cough* ESO *cough

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I mean how often was Xarcabard/ The deeper side of Yhtunga Jungle outpost actually open

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A lot of the time on Fairy server actually. At least the jungle, people liked to move there to level.

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Originally Posted by Litre

I agree completely, the game is great, but it becomes dull very quickly. It looks like the developers have gone the route of focusing on making end-game content hard to keep players interested, instead of adding variety across the spectrum.

If they play that game they will eventually run into problems in the future, because every other MMO is also churning out challenging end-game content.

Reminds me of basic economics, they are creating a MMO service that is easily substituted with any other MMO service, if we don't have unpredictable events or "fun random content" there will be no lasting memories players can share together and keep them in love with FFXIV.

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Yes to all of that. SE if you're reading this: fun and unpredictable does not mean FATE! Those are about as surprising as the wetness of water.

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Originally Posted by Seif

Yes to all of that. SE if you're reading this: fun and unpredictable does not mean FATE! Those are about as surprising as the wetness of water.

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Explain what you actually want, and how it doesn't match what a FATE is.

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Originally Posted by Penguinmayhem

You think SE care about crafters.

Hahahahahaha.

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In fairness I think they want to care, they just haven't thought of or figured out how to have materia add to iLevel of gear so the crafted version is on par with iLevel of dungeon farmed gear. Crafting as a system in this game is one of the better systems. It's the in game product and how it stacks up in the mechanics that is an abomination to the classes.

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Originally Posted by Seif

Yes to all of that. SE if you're reading this: fun and unpredictable does not mean FATE! Those are about as surprising as the wetness of water.

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While unpredictable can be fun... When done well. it's hard to program and generally in MMOs a predictable pattern will always emerge, and then be exploited. (And if truly unpredictable...complained about, if a pattern can be found, that'll be complained about too)

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Originally Posted by Nekodar

Explain what you actually want, and how it doesn't match what a FATE is.

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Random hard mobs. It really is not that hard of a concept in a random location. Roaming the area until it's killed and then it spawns to another random area at a random time.

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Originally Posted by Litre

It looks like the developers have gone the route of focusing on making end-game content hard to keep players interested, instead of adding variety across the spectrum.

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This and only this.
They added the retainer venture, but it's not enough, they need to add more to it, like we can summon them in dungeons, or interact more with them.
The companion, why is it limited this much?
The map hunting, find a map, kill some trash mobs and that's it, why not make it like you need to get a hint from the map to do a dungeon or a raid, and build a story around lost people in this dungeon that we have to save?

its like they start something good, but put in hold for a long time just to create end-game content, more gear and more gear and that's it.

I want more content that doesn't revolve around combat. Possibilities:

• Chocbo Raising
• Hamlet Construction
• Moogle Mail Intern
• Magitek Mechanic/Construction
• Imperial Spying
• Parley (fully done this time)
• Swimming/Diving
• Card Systems

While housing and gardening have been great starts...we need more.

I feel as if a lot of their energy and focus has gone into promoting the game since it's in its first year of re release, trying to fish out more subs releasing it on different platforms. But if they continue this route and get too greedy with new players without continuing to add immersive content and making vast improvements to the game, it won't have a long life. We'll see how things play out, adding new jobs in the next patch is definitely a step in the right direction, something really tells me the 1st expansion will be extremely exciting and answer to all of our calls. The good ones at least.

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Originally Posted by Heat

This and only this.
They added the retainer venture, but it's not enough, they need to add more to it, like we can summon them in dungeons, or interact more with them.
The companion, why is it limited this much?
The map hunting, find a map, kill some trash mobs and that's it, why not make it like you need to get a hint from the map to do a dungeon or a raid, and build a story around lost people in this dungeon that we have to save?

its like they start something good, but put in hold for a long time just to create end-game content, more gear and more gear and that's it.

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Coil, Ultra, uber, elite, extreme version 4 anyone?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0LVwtuCHlQ&hd=1

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Originally Posted by Pandastirfry

Just to use this example....I've never seen this work as intended. usually it becomes a case of Well used zones the "monster attacks" are quickly quashed and it becomes more annoying than fun ( I mean seriously do you think Camp Dragon Head, Fall Gourd Float, Revenant's Toll will ever want for "defenders"?). and disused or low lvl zones are almost permenantly "Captured" and no one cares because no one goes there anyway (I mean how often was Xarcabard/ The deeper side of Yhtunga Jungle outpost actually open, and don't get me started on the mess that Tabula Rasa was)

You'd have to give player an actual incentive to defend the lesser used places... and being able to teleport there isn't enough, and then it would still be a case of, defend the well used places for easy reward/garunteed success. and then pick the easiest to defend places after that, and many other zones would still remain "Perma-Captured"

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Sounds like Campaign in ffxi, ugh.

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Originally Posted by Seif

Random hard mobs. It really is not that hard of a concept in a random location. Roaming the area until it's killed and then it spawns to another random area at a random time.

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Like Odin... Which is a FATE...
Only difference would be that your version stays up until killed...
Which will happen if it's worth doing, or just waste resources if not. So fits better as a FATE still...

Golden Saucer is coming and it will be big.

I'm not worried as long as they continue this route of major patches but don't neglect other aspects to put so much focus on raiding.

Then they make Gold Saucer a 24 man raid-style dungeon with irritating mechanics.

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Originally Posted by Reinfeld

That's hardly content, just a boring time sink to gather useless materials to make useless gear and sell it for useless gil.

This game basically turns into "farm gear so you can farm better gear" and that's about it. How is that any different from any other MMO? I don't know. Maybe it's because the only real content in this game is dungeons that are either so easy I fall asleep or so difficult that you either have to be a masochist (pugging) or you have to turn it into a chore (static) to clear it. The only point in actually getting coil gear is for your e-peen. Once you have the full set there's nothing you can do with it except clear content you already find easy even easier.

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It is content and it's part of the game. Actually, the crafting/gathering system in this game is pretty unique since you can customize it. You don't have a capped char with horrible costumes fishing in a pond, you actually get to be a fisherman!

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Originally Posted by LordGrimlock

Why do I want to do the same FATES over and over and over again? Why do I want to do the same Leves over and over and over again? Why do I want to do the same instances over and over and over again? Why do I have to rely on a group to get things done? What is the point in gear grinding? What is gear grinding helping you do other than grind to get more gear? THIS if not resolved WILL greatly effect this game's long term future.

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Looks like the whole Genre of MMO's is not for you. I do not mean that as an offense, but you just listed vital points of a MMO so why do you play them, if you are against it? Back in the day when you did not like a certain Genre, you would go and look for something, which does fit your personal preference. So why don't you do that, but instead trying to twist the Genre around to cater to you, who don't like the Genre?

Honestly SE, I'm not asking for much!

just an MMO that gives me 500+ hours of game time and doesn't repeat content.

It can be grindy, just plz god no repeatable quests, fates, or farm mobs. Keep it engaging!

-Thank you!

The problem is that this game was built upon a theme park model.

You go to an area once, do the "rides" there and then you never have to come back because that area's purpose is done. Any real content is instanced, the open world doesn't really have a place beyond serving as a vehicle for moving the main story as well as serving as the playground for gatherers.

It would take a serious shift in focus for SE to appease any of the complaints that are normally brought up, because the game wasn't designed to accommodate people with issues like that.

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Originally Posted by Lamentations

Sounds like Campaign in ffxi, ugh.

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How is that bad?

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Originally Posted by Prototype909

The problem is that this game was built upon a theme park model.

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No.

Eso is Theme Park, FFXIV is not, there is a reason to go back to all the zones. but if you cant find that reason on your own, no one can help you.

I've been playing rift again lately and the rift events and instant adventures really do put FFXIVs FATE system to shame, SE need to incorporate something similar IMO, it would make the open world more populated and encourage more socialisation and party play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lhYJBbeSRE

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Originally Posted by Valmar

No.

Eso is Theme Park, FFXIV is not, there is a reason to go back to all the zones. but if you cant find that reason on your own, no one can help you.

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Funny Yoshi-p has quoted on several occasions that FFXIV is a theme park MMO.

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Originally Posted by SharpD

How is that bad?

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Because Campaign was never done properly in XI, and both SE and the players were to blame, with the stellar character of most gamers these days it would most likely be worse here.

SE was to blame because their was no real reward for holding areas that made the playerbase wish to see it done, gear rewards were mediocre in general.

The players would have failed the Campaign war philosophy anyway, getting that many people into a mindset of strategy and cooperation in order to make large and lasting captures is simply asking too much of teen squeekers, and "gimme right now" players who seem to make up the large % of gamers these days.