If no one access a FC house in 35 Days you lose everything! Coming Patch 2.3 ><

This needs attention. Because I feel like its not fair to players who put time and Gil into buying a house. Now before people get crazy I'm sure this won't effect large Free Companies, It may not effect very many at all but there is a chance it could. Most likely it will only effect a small minority of small FCs. Another thing to consider Will this happen to Personal Housing as well? The reason behind this is to free up server space instead of SE adding new wards.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Hello, everyone.

We do in fact have plans to add more land in the future, but I cannot promise a specific time frame at the moment.

Also, currently as of patch 2.2, houses will remain intact regardless of whether a free company is active or inactive. However, in the future, in addition to adding land, after patch 2.3 we’ll also be looking into adding a feature so when free company members haven't accessed their house for 35 days (Earth time), their house and land will be automatically forfeit in order to free up the land. We'll also be looking into a system that will display the remaining time until this happens.

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Originally Posted by Arkista

I just found this while I was looking for something else.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ry-(10-30-2013)

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Q: Will there be any maintenance fees or other costs for housing, besides the cost of the land and house?

A: In older MMOs, such as Ultima Online, there was a house maintenance fee you had to pay weekly, but in FFXIV: ARR we decided against this system. Similarly, these older MMOs also had a system where your house would break down if you didn’t log in after a while in order to have you continue your subscription, but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that.

They wont have anything like that really now! So why now are they adding some old MMO system to the game?

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Originally Posted by Arkista

That is a little extreme isn't it? I can't speak for everyone who owns a house, But since I own a small house that is ridiculous. I mean I can see why, But to just say that after 35 days you lose your house is just wrong. People worked hard to make the Gil to get a house and purchase/make furnishings. I really think this needs to be looked at again, 60-90 days sounds reasonable. I have a small FC and when I mean small I mean two people ( I had 7 but 5 of them quit after 2.1). If I decide to take a break for two or three months I will lose my house, I don't know how many small FCs there are and how many players they have so it might not be such a big deal.

But maybe there could be a way to convert the house into some type of deed/permit? 35 days the house Is converted to a deed for the same type of land Small/Medium/Large and when the FC leader returns it will be in their mail.

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35 days is not a lot of time. I think 60-90* days would be better. Or convert the loss to Land Deed and a Building Permit. So at 35 days of inactivity in a Free Company house the Land is forfeit and then converted to a Land Deed and a Building Permit for the same size. I would say a refund in Gil but many FCs bought houses at the max and some at the lowest, so there would be an issue. Do you get what you paid or do you get lower? Then some would get upset if they didn't get a full refund of what they paid. And then if it was the case of a full refund of what we paid, People could abuse it. An FC who bought a large house for 89mil gets it all back and then only has to pay 59mil to buy another.... So I think extending the time or a Deed/Permit to the FC leader would be the best.

If no one in the FC can be arsed to check the house in more than a month, the FC doesn't need a house.

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Originally Posted by Jeykama

If no one in the FC can be arsed to check the house in more than a month, the FC doesn't need a house.

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Especially considering personal housing is gonna have an FC-housing related option.

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Originally Posted by Jeykama

If no one in the FC can be arsed to check the house in more than a month, the FC doesn't need a house.

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Like I said this probably won't effect very many Free Companies. But some people do like to take a break from MMOs once in a while, Even if its not their choice. I just think 35 days is not enough time. Yes if your FC has enough players then I'm sure it isn't going to effect you. But I'm sure this is going to effect some people.

Just imagine if they do this with Personal Housing pretty sure they will. I know for a fact a lot of players take breaks for more than 35 days....

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Originally Posted by Jeykama

If no one in the FC can be arsed to check the house in more than a month, the FC doesn't need a house.

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A lot of the FCs that own houses have small memberships made-up of close-knit IRL groups, the sort of groups that can stop playing a game for a month because some event is affecting all of its members IRL; final exams, baby born early, long family vacations, a friend's death, moving home, dorm-wide internet outage nightmare, etc. 35 days is too short to play nicely with real life.

I hope this isn't planned for player housing also, IT BETTER NOT BE !

My FC doesn't own a house and when we do it will always be used, but I agree this is a totally ass move and should not be so extreme! It's most likely a bad method to get people to keep subbing in the guise of needing the space.

Bad SE; BAD!

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Originally Posted by Arkista

Like I said this probably won't effect very many Free Companies. But some people do like to take a break from MMOs once in a while, Even if its not their choice. I just think 35 days is not enough time. Yes if your FC has enough players then I'm sure it isn't going to effect you. But I'm sure this is going to effect some people.

Just imagine if they do this with Personal Housing pretty sure they will. I know for a fact a lot of players take breaks for more than 35 days....

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Aye 35 days sounds a bit arbitrary for me but their reasoning is sound - if they're not subscribed/playing to enjoy the house, then they don't need a house either.

There's only so much SE can do. It's not really fair to "hold" something like a housing plot for 3-4 months while
someone doesn't play. If people are planning on buying houses to let them rot and only visit them once every
100+ days, why even bother?

If you have 2 people in your FC, that is your choice. Which is fine. However, it's not fair to punish a 50-man FC
that might have wanted that plot because you and your 1 friend decide to not play for 100 days. Just my two cents.

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Originally Posted by Jeykama

Aye 35 days sounds a bit arbitrary for me but their reasoning is sound - if they're not subscribed/playing to enjoy the house, then they don't need a house either.

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I understand it. But to take away something from what is going to be a small minority just because someone wants to take a break (willing or not) is unfair. Now 90-120 days if someone isn't coming back by then sure take the house.

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Originally Posted by FJerome

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My Free company was consisted of Me, My Wife, Her brother, Her cousin, and 3 irl friends. The only ones left are me and her. Stuff happens people move on and will come back when they come back. When I played FFXI I would take 2-3 month breaks every once in a while, I just took like a 3 week break before 2.2. I mean if I have to take a break I could just login once in a while so I didn't lose it.

I just don't think this is going to stop with Free Company Housing, I think this will also effect Personal Housing. Personal Houses may not take up as much space as FCs, but if they are going to take away players land to free up space for others, Then I can see this happening to Personal Housing also. And then it will effect many more players. But who knows maybe by then SE will have enough servers to handle Housing.

if the fc gets a gil refund for the house it could be tolerable , if losing house without refund its unacceptable for me

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Originally Posted by AmnesiaHaze

if the fc gets a gil refund for the house it could be tolerable , if losing house without refund its unacceptable for me

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That's why I said if it needs to be 35 days fine, But they can give the Free Company leader a Land Deed and a Building Permit for the same size land they owned. Yeah you are going to lose Furnishing but it has to be better than losing everything.

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Originally Posted by Arkista

My Free company was consisted of Me, My Wife, Her brother, Her cousin, and 3 irl friends. The only ones left are me and her. Stuff happens people move on and will come back when they come back.

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I think quite a lot of the house-owning FCs are like that. FCs that already have houses seem to fall into three main groups - top-ranked FCs where the big house is just another expression of their pride and prestige, FCs with a very rich leader and small, tight-knit FCs where the members liked and trusted each other enough to pool resources. Most other FCs are still having issues getting funds together because their members would rather save for personal housing first.

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Originally Posted by AmnesiaHaze

if the fc gets a gil refund for the house it could be tolerable , if losing house without refund its unacceptable for me

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Even that would kinda suck, we've got one of the Limsa beach-front houses and we pushed hard to get it. They're all sold on Leviathan now, there'd be no replacing it.

If an entire FC roster can't be bothered to have a single character come online in over a month then yeah, the house needs to go and the plot needs to be opened up for others. At that point either your FC has called it a day and moved on or you're running a personal fiefdom and frankly shouldn't be clogging up a system designed for groups.

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Originally Posted by FJerome

Even that would kinda suck, we've got one of the Limsa beach-front houses and we pushed hard to get it. They're all sold on Leviathan now, there'd be no replacing it.

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of course the whole plan sucks, but if you get a gil refund you can atleast buy a new house , if you lose everything is a slap into your face and all people who contributed all their gil for the insanely overpriced houses, things like this lose subscribers

If it was player-owned housing, I'd say a longer time period. But for an FC house? 35 days of NOBODY in your FC accessing it seems just fine. If nobody in your FC can be bothered to play in 35 days or even look at the house, you don't need it. There are plenty of other FCs that would love to have the space and help make the neighborhood not be empty.

We paid the gil and time into that house. SE should not be able to take it from us.

I mean, in my FC only a few people are actively in that house due to other things to do like end game and leveling. So lets say the active people take a break. Suddenly its a chore to make sure we don't lose our houses.

I mean, I say make it to where if the FC itself isn't active for 35 days, then to forfeit the house. That way you know for sure the FC is dead instead of they just aren't in the house all the time.

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Originally Posted by Jeykama

Aye 35 days sounds a bit arbitrary for me but their reasoning is sound - if they're not subscribed/playing to enjoy the house, then they don't need a house either.

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if you're not subscribed to play/enjoy your character you don't need it.

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

if you're not subscribed to play/enjoy your character you don't need it.

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They are saying if you don't touch your house, you will lose it.. not if you don't PLAY for 35 days.
I've gone a week without going into my house because I'm focusing on leveling.

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Originally Posted by Wicc

They are saying if you don't touch your house, you will lose it.. not if you don't PLAY for 35 days.
I've gone a week without going into my house because I'm focusing on leveling.

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i was merely saying that the logic behind if you don't use it you don't need it was flawed.

the reason se has the 35 day limit is so that any houses that have been bought but aren't used can be rebought and used so they don't have to make whole new wards because people buy then don't use houses.

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Originally Posted by Wicc

They are saying if you don't touch your house, you will lose it.. not if you don't PLAY for 35 days.
I've gone a week without going into my house because I'm focusing on leveling.

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The person you quoted was pointing out how ridiculous the notion of removing a house from an FC is. Players often participate in various in-game activities in waves. For example, for about two months prior to the patch, I did almost zero dungeons outside of Coil and the occasional extreme primal. Now I'm running dungeons every day. I hadn't touched guildhests in even longer, but now I'm trying to get the one-time-completion bonus as much as I can (because monies). Once I've done that I probably won't touch guildhests much at all again. I've got several alts I haven't even logged into in many months. Should SE take those from me?

The entire notion is absurd. SE shouldn't be removing things from players that we worked hard to achieve.

They have said in the "FUTURE" this would take place. With them adding things like the airship docks, chocobo stables and even now with gardening...seriously if no one in your FC (and I dont care if its 2 people or 200 people) visits the house in 35 days its fine with me if they erase it. There will be lots of reasons to go to it before this takes place.

You shouldnt clog up an area with a house no one is using.

I think that this is absolutely retarded and I will be appalled if they really do this, especially for personal housing..

First of all, anything you spend that much gil on should be yours to keep. I don't see how anybody can justify it any differently, especially considering you paid real money and spent real time to make the 10-60 million gil required to buy your land, not to mention the furnishings.

Secondly, 35 days is not even close to reasonable, how about we try 6-12 months, but even that is plain stupid. There are a huge number of reasons people may have for not logging in, like being sick for example, or having to take an extended trip for work (army/etc.). People should not be penalized for not logging into the game, if anything they should be rewarded for logging into the game since it costs money to play.

Finally, how can any of you actually agree with this? You're telling me if it was your 10s of millions on the line you would be ok with SE just taking what you spent on it back so that they can save some $$$ on servers (which is literally the only feasible reason for this). Personally if they did that to my house I would never play this game again.

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Originally Posted by Rhysati

If it was player-owned housing, I'd say a longer time period. But for an FC house? 35 days of NOBODY in your FC accessing it seems just fine. If nobody in your FC can be bothered to play in 35 days or even look at the house, you don't need it. There are plenty of other FCs that would love to have the space and help make the neighborhood not be empty.

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but what about the millions of gil spent , the fact someone "dont need" a house doesnt justify taking his property AND gil away

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Originally Posted by DoctorPepper

I think that this is absolutely retarded and I will be appalled if they really do this, especially for personal housing..

Finally, how can any of you actually agree with this? You're telling me if it was your 10s of millions on the line you would be ok with SE just taking what you spent on it back so that they can save some $$$ on servers (which is literally the only feasible reason for this). Personally if they did that to my house I would never play this game again.

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This is ONLY FC housing. Please quit trying to inflame people talking about it like its for personal housing. Of course they wont do it the same way for a personal house. If literally NO ONE visits a FC house in a solid month of time, I dont think it matters what happens to it honestly....your not using it!

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Originally Posted by Tandy

This is ONLY FC housing. Please quit trying to inflame people talking about it like its for personal housing. Of course they wont do it the same way for a personal house. If literally NO ONE visits a FC house in a solid month of time, I dont think it matters what happens to it honestly....your not using it!

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I am talking about FC housing, do you live in some alternate reality where it's ok for people to take back the things you bought from them?

Since you mentioned it, I might as well too. If we let them do this with FC housing what's stopping them from applying it to personal housing? A precedence needs to be set that this is not ok and I don't care if the FC "needs it" or not because they bought it and should get to keep it. This only makes sense if housing were free and it is very very far from free.

I'm really getting sick of housing in general, first they release it with prices that are so unrealistic it's stupid and now they're just giving people another reason not to buy housing. There isn't a single Ward that's full on my server, or even half full for that matter so why do they need to add this balony to the pot?

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Originally Posted by Tandy

Of course they wont do it the same way for a personal house. If literally NO ONE visits a FC house in a solid month of time, I dont think it matters what happens to it honestly....your not using it!

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Honestly, I really, REALLY, REALLY hope they do. Maybe bump up the inactivity timer to 60 or 90 days but considering that it will more than likely be limited space that everyone is after, there's zero reason to allow someone to monopolize it when they're clearly not using it. Trust me, I've seen how well things turn out when a housing system has no way to clean itself up. It makes the whole system a mess and devalues the entire thing.

To be fair it IS kind of a waste of space and further delays the potential of personal housing since they said personal housing will come when they're satisfied with FC housing results.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

We paid the gil and time into that house. SE should not be able to take it from us.

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You do remember this is Square Enix's game and not ours, right? They can shut the game off tomorrow if they felt like it, you agreed you're only paying for the right to "access" the game, you own nothing :p

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Originally Posted by Tandy

This is ONLY FC housing. Please quit trying to inflame people talking about it like its for personal housing. Of course they wont do it the same way for a personal house. If literally NO ONE visits a FC house in a solid month of time, I dont think it matters what happens to it honestly....your not using it!

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One of the personal housing options is going to be having a room within your FC house, so yes, this is going to affect personal housing too.

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Originally Posted by Arkista

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I think this will only affect FC Housing. and with FC housing, if there's not 1 person going inside the FC house by the 35th day, then I feel like the FC in question shouldn't have gotten a house in the first place. I am sure out of 100+ ppl then 1 person will go into FC house each day even. So this shouldn't even be an issue :P.

( If a situation like this arises, after the 35th day the house/land will get freed up and the money put into it should be reput into the FC chest) I think that's the "fair" way of doing it.

Edit: The chances of this happening at all are extremely slim.

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Originally Posted by Wicc

I mean, in my FC only a few people are actively in that house due to other things to do like end game and leveling. So lets say the active people take a break. Suddenly its a chore to make sure we don't lose our houses.

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Yes, its an absolute chore to teleport to the house, enter it and walk around for a min, or logging out in the house.

Worse than Atma farming. By far

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Originally Posted by FJerome

One of the personal housing options is going to be having a room within your FC house, so yes, this is going to affect personal housing too.

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So...you have to enter the FC house to get to yours...

Which would prevent the removal from happening.

I don't see an issue

SE should really offer the option of a gil refund for those who want it and have bought houses/plots before this news was released to players. It was a really shady move to make up this new rule after the system was already in place.

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Originally Posted by FJerome

One of the personal housing options is going to be having a room within your FC house, so yes, this is going to affect personal housing too.

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Explain to me how that will effect personal housing. If your room is in the FC house and you visit it..../GASP your in the FC house. Therefore you hit a visit and stopped the house from being lost. If the FC house is lost I seriously doubt your room would be, since just like leaving a FC they will have a system in place to either put your room on hold or some other option.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Yes, its an absolute chore to teleport to the house, enter it and walk around for a min, or logging out in the house.

Worse than Atma farming. By far

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If all you have to respond to someone who doesn't agree with you is sarcasm, then your argument doesn't hold much power.

Contribute to the actual conversation and I may reconsider.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

I think this will only affect FC Housing. and with FC housing, if there's not 1 person going inside the FC house by the 35th day, then I feel like the FC in question shouldn't have gotten a house in the first place. I am sure out of 100+ ppl then 1 person will go into FC house each day even. So this shouldn't even be an issue :P.

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Like I said at the start This isn't going to effect very many Free Companies. But I believe it will effect a few small FCs like mine. This isn't about someone walking into the FC house once every 35 days, Its about losing something that took time and effort to get. Am I the only person that takes breaks from a MMO? If I decide to take a break and so does some others in my FC and no one is able to hit up the house for 35 days, I want my house when I come back it shouldn't be taken away. Or at the very least a Deed/Permit or the Gil it cost to buy the land/permit.



All I see with this 35 day thing is another way for SE to suck more money out of us. What if a small group of people have a FC house and they decide to take a break until the next major patch? At least one of them are now forced to pay a monthly sub just to login and do something in the house. A lot of players spent a lot of time to get a house. Not everyone invites 100 people that they don't give a crap about or even know, Just to get Gil from them to buy a house.

And if some of you don't think this will happen to Personal housing you're wrong. There are going to be way more personal houses then there will ever be FC houses. On my server there are still 21 open Plots in mist, I don't know about the other two zones. So I don't really see how taking away someones Free company house is going to help other FCs. Because I doubt anyone with a Medium or Large house will lose theirs. So at most the only thing that will be taken is a small FC house and in the end most FC are probably looking for med/large.

Yes I get the reasoning behind it is to free up space for other Free Companies to get a chance at buying plots, But it is being handled the wrong way.

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Originally Posted by Jeykama

If no one in the FC can be arsed to check the house in more than a month, the FC doesn't need a house.

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True for larger FC's, but what about the smaller ones? Perhaps any that might be owned by a small family (or just several friends). I mean, getting access to an S house is cheap enough these days, but it's pretty disappointing to take a short break and come back to not having your FC house and any decorations you invested into it lol.

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

True for larger FC's, but what about the smaller ones? Perhaps any that might be owned by a small family (or just several friends). I mean, getting access to an S house is cheap enough these days, but it's pretty disappointing to take a short break and come back to not having your FC house and any decorations you invested into it lol.

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Even for a S closely knitted FC for 10-20 ppl, surely at least one of those members will most likely be on way before the 35th day.

Put it this way, if you invested so much into a FC house in the first place, i would think it will be used not sitting around collecting dust.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

You do remember this is Square Enix's game and not ours, right? They can shut the game off tomorrow if they felt like it, you agreed you're only paying for the right to "access" the game, you own nothing :p

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What an excellent attitude from a paying customer. Just let SE do whatever they want!

No, thank you. It doesn't matter if they technically "can" do whatever they want. We have every right to tell them they shouldn't.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Put it this way, if you invested so much into a FC house in the first place, i would think it will be used not sitting around collecting dust.

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It is no one's business what I or anyone else does with our FC houses. Visit them daily, hang out ever couple weeks, decorate it up and then forget about it for a few months until some new decoration comes along... even just purchasing it and "letting it rot". It doesn't matter. It was the player(s)' gil and time. They do not deserve getting that taken from them.