Relic Weapons?

I was thinking it would be pretty cool if SE could maybe think about putting Relic Weapons into the game at some point once the Job system is established to establish some form of long term goal for certain players.

Now I know this will be unpopular but I think they should be extremely difficult to get and take a long time. Yes I know the time sink is unpopular and people will come in stating time does not equal skill but the point of them is that they are rare and not easily attainable. In FFXI I knew I would never get an Apocalypse Scythe for my DRK but every time I saw someone with one or partied with someone who had one I thought it was cool as hell.

The whole point of a Relic Weapon is that they are that Jobs Ultimate Weapon and as such have HUGE requirements to earn one. The requirements have to be huge otherwise everyone would have one and then it would make all other weapons pointless and as much as everybody would probably want one, the reality is that only a small percentage would actually get one.

So with that how could they implement them, have a fair system in place to earn one but still meet the requirements of what a Relic Weapon is supposed to be?

Firstly they should start off with a tough dungeon maybe Nyzul Isle style so you can make little bit of progress towards earning your Base Relic relatively easily. Now this time around the Base Relic would actually be a good and worthy weapon for completing a Dungeon, no 1 DMG and 999 Delay here, however this is not it's final form.

Now we need to come up with some way to upgrade it to it's final form that is going to require a huge amount of effort so much so that it will take a long time to earn and keep the Final Form version rare.

I still think some form of rare/ex currency (like guild marks but not guild marks) should be used here to purchase this upgrade. It would have to be enough though to keep this upgrade rare but they should not limit they source of this currency to a single dungeon. You should have multiple ways to acquire it so you do not have to keep repeating the same thing over and over but needs to still be a challenge. Also it should require drops from tough boss fights. The Relic could have 3-4 stages before it reaches it's final form so it could use a variety of ways to upgrade each stage differently.

This isn't about me wanting a weapon that hardly anyone has as it will most likely be the same situation as FFXI and I just won't have the time or resources to get one but that doesn't mean I wouldn't want them in the game as again I still think it would be cool to see someone with a rare kickass weapon.

I do hope they add this, and I do not want it to be some joke to get like weapons in abysea.

They where the ultimate goal for hardcore players in XI, and gives those who can play for 40-50hrs a week occupied for along long time. Where otherwise they would be done in months.

maybe later, there's always the beastcoins you know. ^^

Agreed. I just feel like that'd be so far down the road from now.

AF gear is what really drew me into FF XI when i first started playing, and i would love to see it in FF XIV eventually.

I cant imagine why it wouldn't be implement in some way, shape, or form.

a long term hard to get weapon goal may not be horrible, but relic implementation is, the only way to get a relic weapon was to exploit as many other people as possible. getting a relic weapon was more about how many people you had in your power than skill, challenge, patience or even time sinkness. If you had enough money you could get a relic weapon in a couple weeks.

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Originally Posted by Physic

a long term hard to get weapon goal may not be horrible, but relic implementation is, the only way to get a relic weapon was to exploit as many other people as possible. getting a relic weapon was more about how many people you had in your power than skill, challenge, patience or even time sinkness. If you had enough money you could get a relic weapon in a couple weeks.

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That is a fair enough statement and that is the reason I knew I would never get one as I just couldn't do that to people or raise that kind of Gil in FFXI. So lets bounce some idea's and come up with a way that doesn't involve exploiting people, will be a long term goal and keep the weapon rare so it does not become common place.

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What if you could not trade or sell the Currency? That would stop people exploiting others would it not as whoever it dropped to got it and then if you were lucky enough to get something like a 100 note in FFXI you would be very happy.

I agree with Alexia. The Idea of a goal to work for is a great idea. look at how many people went and took on the NM's at release for the gear that they dropped. My server was full of it... not any more because everyone has them, but that's beside the point :P

I hope this never happens unless the only limitation is time investment. I don't mind spending time to earn a cool weapon. I however do mind having to get involved in player run pyramid schemes and/or having to own a bottomless coin purse to do so.

I agree with you fully that this idea should be implemented and I'm sure they will. The only issue I think would arise would be how to put stats on them. Since you can do multiple roles on a class. Like DD or tank on MRD, and then with jobs coming that will bring their own flavor. But I mean they could easily make two axes, or an axe for each job that gets put MRD. So once they figure out how to divide them up by the stats that will go on them, I totally support this idea.

I would love it if they went the way of nyzul mythic weapons and on top of that left out the currency. Weapons that are obtainable through many quests/achievements are fine with me, but I hate dealing with the gil aspect.

Oddly enough the only MMO system that I can think of that has ever done rare equipment right is WoW's arena system.

I know I know, but hear me out.

Before WoW's arena all rare items have always been acquired by time or gold. I can't for the life of me think of a worse way to distribute rare gear then how much free time players have or how much real money they can hand out to RMT.

What arena did (for those that don't know) is cap the amount of items obtainable by only handing them out to a very small minority that actually performed better then everyone else. All though the system had problems and most of us felt like the requirements were to low, the idea behind the system is gold.

If people want truly rare items in the game i suggest that SE finds a system that is similar and makes it work in a PvE environment. For instance, make a currency that is only obtainable by the top 1% or so that completes group tasks faster/better/whatever then the rest of the population.

Example:
Dungeon A drops decent loot or materials upon completion but the 1% percent of teams that complete Dungeon A in the shortest time or with the highest completion rate get special currency they can build up and eventually buy Relic gear or what have you.

A system that has a large time sink, skill based and rewards hardcore players with cool gears.

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Originally Posted by Volsung

I agree with you fully that this idea should be implemented and I'm sure they will. The only issue I think would arise would be how to put stats on them. Since you can do multiple roles on a class. Like DD or tank on MRD, and then with jobs coming that will bring their own flavor. But I mean they could easily make two axes, or an axe for each job that gets put MRD. So once they figure out how to divide them up by the stats that will go on them, I totally support this idea.

I would love it if they went the way of nyzul mythic weapons and left out the currency. Weapons that are obtainable through many quests/achievements are fine with me, but I hate dealing with the gil aspect.

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Good points, I have changed the currency idea as I think it should be rare/ex now so it could not be sold or traded as that way it would be fair and square with who it lands on and even if you had deep pockets you would not be able to buy your way to obtaining one.

I purposely did say to implement after the Job system so that the weapons would be for the role of that Job as that is what the Job system is for. Having said that maybe they could take a direction like the Magian Weapons that you could build and place stats in a variety of ways to make the perfect weapons for yourself and the role you want to play.

Finally yes Nyzul Isle was the perfect thing for me as it was a challenge but I could make a bit of progress anytime I liked (as long as I could find some people to come along ^^) I think in the OP I was to busy thinking of a Dynamis style Relic and completely forgot other forms that were comparable.

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Originally Posted by Volsung

I agree with you fully that this idea should be implemented and I'm sure they will. The only issue I think would arise would be how to put stats on them. Since you can do multiple roles on a class. Like DD or tank on MRD, and then with jobs coming that will bring their own flavor. But I mean they could easily make two axes, or an axe for each job that gets put MRD. So once they figure out how to divide them up by the stats that will go on them, I totally support this idea.

I would love it if they went the way of nyzul mythic weapons and left out the currency. Weapons that are obtainable through many quests/achievements are fine with me, but I hate dealing with the gil aspect.

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it still had a fairly large gil requirement 30,000 crystals or something, thats what, 90 mill?

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Originally Posted by Physic

it still had a fairly large gil requirement 30,000 crystals or something, thats what, 90 mill?

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Yea it did, what i meant my post to sound like was to go the way of nyzul mythic weapons and "additionally" leave out the currency if that makes more sense

Edited the first post to make it sound clearer

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Originally Posted by Volsung

Yea it did, what i meant my post to sound like was to go the way of nyzul mythic weapons and "additionally" leave out the currency if that makes more sense

Edited the first post to make it sound clearer

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I think the currency aspect is needed though to make them rare which is the whole point. Now if they took the Nyzul Isle approach to unlocking the base weapon which would still be good and accessible to more players and then used a form of Currency to upgrade it to kind of a +1 version that would be ok. Like I said though if they make the currency rare/ex so LS leaders can't exploit there fellow members it would cut all that crap out.

They could even make the Currency drop out of the endgame dungeon as well to maybe off of Beastmen so if you fight them in the field, in a dungeon, where ever you still have chance of some dropping and with how the drop system works in FFXIV once it goes to a Player it stays with the Player.

Like I said in the beginning the whole point is to make the final form very rare, maybe it would take a hardcore player a year and a casual player 3 years but as long as the currency just dropped randomly from different sources you could make that bit of progress any time and anywhere, without having to solely focus on it and over time you would get there eventually.

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Originally Posted by Commat

Oddly enough the only MMO system that I can think of that has ever done rare equipment right is WoW's arena system.

I know I know, but hear me out.

Before WoW's arena all rare items have always been acquired by time or gold. I can't for the life of me think of a worse way to distribute rare gear then how much free time players have or how much real money they can hand out to RMT.

What arena did (for those that don't know) is cap the amount of items obtainable by only handing them out to a very small minority that actually performed better then everyone else. All though the system had problems and most of us felt like the requirements were to low, the idea behind the system is gold.

If people want truly rare items in the game i suggest that SE finds a system that is similar and makes it work in a PvE environment. For instance, make a currency that is only obtainable by the top 1% or so that completes group tasks faster/better/whatever then the rest of the population.

Example:
Dungeon A drops decent loot or materials upon completion but the 1% percent of teams that complete Dungeon A in the shortest time or with the highest completion rate get special currency they can build up and eventually buy Relic gear or what have you.

A system that has a large time sink, skill based and rewards hardcore players with cool gears.

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Problem with this is the same thing you see in WoW will happen here, people will sell their rankings to others so that they can get the gears. My arena group made thousands of gold doing this.

First of all, yes. I would love to see relic weapons make an appearance in FFXIV. I can't imagine an FF game without ultimate weapons. However, there's one part I strongly disagree with.

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Originally Posted by Physic

the only way to get a relic weapon was to exploit as many other people as possible. getting a relic weapon was more about how many people you had in your power than skill, challenge, patience or even time sinkness.

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This is absolutely false. For most of my relic wielding friends and myself included, exploiting others was NOT how we obtained them. I, just like most others, worked my ass off for them. I went the route of farming with my brother for months to amass all the gil needed to purchase currency. Not once did I ever "exploit" any other player to progress further with the quests.

Overall, the amount of currency that I actually got through Dynamis runs was maybe 2%. The rest I bought mostly from shouting in Whitegate.

If SE implements them the same way they did with relics or even mythics (needing currency/alexandrite/whatever,) then making them (the currency) rare/ex will be a huge mistake. All it would do is force people to exploit others, the exact opposite of what you want. The only way you'd be able to obtain them is through events. For someone to ever amass enough currency to complete them they would have to take all the currency drops in countless Raid/Dungeon runs. In FFXI it could take up to 2 years of biweekly Dynamis runs for enough currency for 1 relic, and that's if ALL of the currency went to 1 person.

Buying/selling currency is not exploiting others. Creating BS endgame rules like "So and so is getting all of the currency drops from this run" is. Sure, people did it in FFXI. But the majority of relic holders that I knew did not. Making the currecy rare/ex is only asking for exploitation and is a very bad decision if you ask me.

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Originally Posted by Physic

If you had enough money you could get a relic weapon in a couple weeks.

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This is total BS, too. Anyone that bought their currency will tell you that it took MUCH longer than getting the gil for it. Why post about things you obviously knew nothing about?

Well I will agree and applaud your idea for relic type weapon.


But I will have to disagree on the need for currency at all. I just feel currency is a redundant thing needed, and something more engaging could be used in its place. <---- rethought this, its ok.... But still could be something else

EDIT: actually you know what I might be able to do the RA/EX thing. I just need to think about it from another point of view. Such as getting tokens from nyzul. they are RA/EX (in the means that others can't take yours) and come from achieving a goal of saving floors.

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Originally Posted by MeowyWowie

First of all, yes. I would love to see relic weapons make an appearance in FFXIV. I can't imagine an FF game without ultimate weapons. However, there's one part I strongly disagree with.



This is absolutely false. For most of my relic wielding friends and myself included, exploiting others was NOT how we obtained them. I, just like most others, worked my ass off for them. I went the route of farming with my brother for months to amass all the gil needed to purchase currency. Not once did I ever "exploit" any other player to progress further with the quests.

Overall, the amount of currency that I actually got through Dynamis runs was maybe 2%. The rest I bought mostly from shouting in Whitegate.

If SE implements them the same way they did with relics or even mythics (needing currency/alexandrite/whatever,) then making them (the currency) rare/ex will be a huge mistake. All it would do is force people to exploit others, the exact opposite of what you want. The only way you'd be able to obtain them is through events. For someone to ever amass enough currency to complete them they would have to take all the currency drops in countless Raid/Dungeon runs. In FFXI it could take up to 2 years of biweekly Dynamis runs for enough currency for 1 relic, and that's if ALL of the currency went to 1 person.

Buying/selling currency is not exploiting others. Creating BS endgame rules like "So and so is getting all of the currency drops from this run" is. Sure, people did it in FFXI. But the majority of relic holders that I knew did not. Making the currecy rare/ex is only asking for exploitation and is a very bad decision if you ask me.

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I do not think making the Currency rare/ex would be bad if you look at my idea's a few posts up, there may be something I have overlooked though so if there is please point it out. I know that not everyone would exploit players to gain what they need but their is always the bad egg's that will do just that. With how the drop system works in FFXIV that could not happen if they put it straight into your Currency inventory when it dropped.

I think it is great that you managed to achieve what you did and that is the point of these weapons they should require a lot of hard work and time for the final form.

I just hope if they add relics that they are more varied or there are more than one per weapon type right of the bat.

I'd also like the difficulty to be not as easy as empryians but not as hard mythics. If that makes sense. Maybe 3-4 month projects instead of year projects.

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Originally Posted by Madruk

Problem with this is the same thing you see in WoW will happen here, people will sell their rankings to others so that they can get the gears. My arena group made thousands of gold doing this.

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Yeah, most of us did it or at the very least helped friends. I feel as though that was more a product of how easy it was to get back on top with a new team. In a PvE Final Fantasy setting I imagine a system that takes far to long for most people to bother exploiting it.

If it took months of being in the top 1% of raid/quest groups I doubt LS's would trade the currency for gil very often or at least not until well after the gear became obsolete.

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Originally Posted by AlexiaKidd

I do not think making the Currency rare/ex would be bad if you look at my idea's two posts up, there may be something I have overlooked though so if there is please point it out. I know that not everyone would exploit players to gain what they need but their is always the bad egg's that will do just that. With how the drop system works in FFXIV that could not happen if they put it straight into your Currency inventory when it dropped.

I think it is great that you managed to achieve what you did and that is the point of these weapons they should require a lot of hard work and time for the final form.

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I would agree with you but there's one main problem I see with this.

Relics, if similar to FFXI's Relics and Mythics, are not meant for everyone. If the currency is rare/ex and it's supposed to take months to years to get as much as you needed then within a few years everyone would have Relics. They wouldn't be rare or unique anymore.

Exploitation of Linkshells happened in FFXI, and that was WITH currency that could be sold and traded. It will be much worse if it's made rare/ex because many shells will force these rules in order to complete the weapons faster because it would be the only way to get currency at a decent rate.

No matter which way they're implemented, if they involve currency people will exploit others. But it will be worse if exploiting is the only way to complete the quest in a reasonable amount of time.

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Originally Posted by MeowyWowie

First of all, yes. I would love to see relic weapons make an appearance in FFXIV. I can't imagine an FF game without ultimate weapons. However, there's one part I strongly disagree with.



This is absolutely false. For most of my relic wielding friends and myself included, exploiting others was NOT how we obtained them. I, just like most others, worked my ass off for them. I went the route of farming with my brother for months to amass all the gil needed to purchase currency. Not once did I ever "exploit" any other player to progress further with the quests.

Overall, the amount of currency that I actually got through Dynamis runs was maybe 2%. The rest I bought mostly from shouting in Whitegate.

If SE implements them the same way they did with relics or even mythics (needing currency/alexandrite/whatever,) then making them (the currency) rare/ex will be a huge mistake. All it would do is force people to exploit others, the exact opposite of what you want. The only way you'd be able to obtain them is through events. For someone to ever amass enough currency to complete them they would have to take all the currency drops in countless Raid/Dungeon runs. In FFXI it could take up to 2 years of biweekly Dynamis runs for enough currency for 1 relic, and that's if ALL of the currency went to 1 person.

Buying/selling currency is not exploiting others. Creating BS endgame rules like "So and so is getting all of the currency drops from this run" is. Sure, people did it in FFXI. But the majority of relic holders that I knew did not. Making the currecy rare/ex is only asking for exploitation and is a very bad decision if you ask me.

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This is total BS, too. Anyone that bought their currency will tell you that it took MUCH longer than getting the gil for it. Why post about things you obviously knew nothing about?

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Technically he is right. at one time you could get a relic in a few weeks when the RMT market got down $7 per million Christmas of 07'. If you were a loser with about $2800.00 to blow you could by enough currency to complete a relic.

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Originally Posted by Haibel

Technically he is right. at one time you could get a relic in a few weeks when the RMT market got down $7 per million Christmas of 07'. If you were a loser with about $2800.00 to blow you could by enough currency to complete a relic.

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You're missing the point. Farming gil took time, sure. But just FINDING the currency (at a reasonable price) took much longer. Even if you bought the gil, you would still have to spend months just looking for currency to buy.

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Originally Posted by MeowyWowie

I would agree with you but there's one main problem I see with this.

Relics, if similar to FFXI's Relics and Mythics, are not meant for everyone. If the currency is rare/ex and it's supposed to take months to years to get as much as you needed then within a few years everyone would have Relics. They wouldn't be rare or unique anymore.

Exploitation of Linkshells happened in FFXI, and that was WITH currency that could be sold and traded. It will be much worse if it's made rare/ex because many shells will force these rules in order to complete the weapons faster because it would be the only way to get currency at a decent rate.

No matter which way they're implemented, if they involve currency people will exploit others. But it will be worse if exploiting is the only way to complete the quest in a reasonable amount of time.

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I still do not see how making it rare/ex could allow people to be exploited, sorry I am probably missing something really obvious here ^^

But the way I saw it was that as you kill things, it drops and goes straight into your Currency inventory, how could a LS leader exploit it? They couldn't make everyone give them the drops as it goes straight into inventory not loot list.

Though you make a good point in everyone having one in a few years, but maybe with the Level Cap increases coming every few years then the ones that truly desire them will have it upgraded to the next stage before that happens so they will always be that one step ahead.

What if it wasn't a currency but the weapon gained experience as you used it. It would make exploitations to acquire it impossible (at least any that I can think of). Maybe it could be special exp gained only in dungeons or something like that to make the exp more rare. And to make sure no one starts making a lot to sell, they should be bound to the character. Of course this should start after some epic quest to get it, and maybe to get the final form you have to fight a really hard boss. Possibly one on one, with the boss set to each class (so that healing and support classes don't just fall over in five seconds) so that it is a true test of that player's skill.

Sorry Alexia. I must not have seen the part about currency going directly into your inventory. My mistake :o

But yea, even if done that way, everyone would eventually have one within a few years. I'm also fairly sure that once someone has one they will feel obligated to keeping it upgraded. I just can't see it working like this. Not to mention, rare/ex currency would have been a nightmare in XI lol.

I'd like to see relic weapons again, but please make it so whatever the requirements are, can't be bought/traded.

special quests and exclusive currency for starters.

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Originally Posted by RemnantWolf

What if it wasn't a currency but the weapon gained experience as you used it. It would make exploitations to acquire it impossible (at least any that I can think of). Maybe it could be special exp gained only in dungeons or something like that to make the exp more rare. And to make sure no one starts making a lot to sell, they should be bound to the character. Of course this should start after some epic quest to get it, and maybe to get the final form you have to fight a really hard boss. Possibly one on one, with the boss set to each class (so that healing and support classes don't just fall over in five seconds) so that it is a true test of that player's skill.

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I like this idea too, maybe they could make dungeon to get the base. Once you have that you have to go get a load of exp on it, then do some quests and tests like slay every NM in the game with the weapon. I don't know but it has to be something that is not easily obtainable for the base weapon and then keep their final form rare. Exp might not be the best thing in this case then, I just don't know anymore ; ;

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Originally Posted by MeowyWowie

Sorry Alexia. I must not have seen the part about currency going directly into your inventory. My mistake :o

But yea, even if done that way, everyone would eventually have one within a few years. I'm also fairly sure that once someone has one they will feel obligated to keeping it upgraded. I just can't see it working like this. Not to mention, rare/ex currency would have been a nightmare in XI lol.

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I don't know say your Relic needed 10 million Allied Notes to upgrade, that might have worked ^^ Would have took a damn long time to earn in Campaign that is for sure :p

If friends and LS mates happily contribute to getting something fro someone else, it's not "free labor" or exploitaiton. They were willing and able to help, not forced.

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Originally Posted by RemnantWolf

What if it wasn't a currency but the weapon gained experience as you used it. It would make exploitations to acquire it impossible (at least any that I can think of). Maybe it could be special exp gained only in dungeons or something like that to make the exp more rare. And to make sure no one starts making a lot to sell, they should be bound to the character. Of course this should start after some epic quest to get it, and maybe to get the final form you have to fight a really hard boss. Possibly one on one, with the boss set to each class (so that healing and support classes don't just fall over in five seconds) so that it is a true test of that player's skill.

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This would be a nice addition to unlocking the weapons. As long as the base weapons aren't DMG-1 Delay-999 lol. Also bosses (multiple) go without saying. They should be extremely tough and require full or multiple alliances (assuming we'll be able to alliance in the future.)

Thinking a little more about rare/ex currency, there could be ways to make it work while still being able to buy them. If raids/dungeons has optional bosses in them that sold you a certain amount of currency within the raid I think it could work. Perhaps limit the amount available per purchase, per person, in relation to your progress or speed. Regardless, there definitely has to be another way to get currency than just having it fall into your inventory.

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Originally Posted by RemnantWolf

What if it wasn't a currency but the weapon gained experience as you used it. It would make exploitations to acquire it impossible (at least any that I can think of). Maybe it could be special exp gained only in dungeons or something like that to make the exp more rare. And to make sure no one starts making a lot to sell, they should be bound to the character. Of course this should start after some epic quest to get it, and maybe to get the final form you have to fight a really hard boss. Possibly one on one, with the boss set to each class (so that healing and support classes don't just fall over in five seconds) so that it is a true test of that player's skill.

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I'd say cut out the monotonous fat (getting exp on the weapon) and just have a long series of really tough boss fights. Just slaying the monster is enough, no dumb random drops required. Actually having cut-scenes playing out some lore behind the weapons would be awesome too.

Or maybe instead of raid exp to upgrade the weapon, do something like Phantasy Star Online's challenge mode. That challenge mode was my single most favorite thing about that game. Basically it would involve special, more challenging versions of raids.

I would just prefer something that is difficult to get, not monotonous. And especially nothing dictated by random chance (currency drops) or the number of hours you can play the game.

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Originally Posted by AlexiaKidd

I still do not see how making it rare/ex could allow people to be exploited, sorry I am probably missing something really obvious here ^^

But the way I saw it was that as you kill things, it drops and goes straight into your Currency inventory, how could a LS leader exploit it? They couldn't make everyone give them the drops as it goes straight into inventory not loot list.

Though you make a good point in everyone having one in a few years, but maybe with the Level Cap increases coming every few years then the ones that truly desire them will have it upgraded to the next stage before that happens so they will always be that one step ahead.

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Hi Alexia,

I'd like to see something like Relic Weapons (some long-term, goal-driven content) that Players could work towards that would unlock something really rare.

Through normal playtime, I think XI's Relics were a bit too extreme in terms of massive amount of time and gil / currency requirements to complete, maybe ~50% - 75% of those requirements / time might be more feasible. ;)

In regards to Rare/EX and your question / point about that: It would be pretty bad if it didn't drop into the Loot List and went straight to your inventory. Even if you're careful, there are times you might have Full Inventory and you'd lose that Rare Currency. That would be horrible.

There are other times where you or your friends might not want that type of currency, and would rather just give it to a friend / trade with them later. Some might want to go through a dungeon for a different reason and not want the currency itself, but with your system (dropping straight to inventory Rare/EX), it's just wasted / lost on people who might not care for it.

Regardless, it would be good to have some kind of long-term, upgradeable Weapon / Armor goal. :)

I wish they could let me transfer my relics from my XI account...I want mai Mandau, Apoc., and Galjahorn! ; ;

Theres a chance that it could not be random at all but be a standard amount given to all party (eventually multi party) groups involved in the event if its a success. I would prefer this, altered to have a FFXIV spin of course, thats just the barebones idea.

Say there is a RA/EX currency called bologna (just to be silly) and you need 50,000 of it as part of your quest for a relic weapon. There could be two events, 1 a daily that a single party does and if you win you get 30 bologna each. and then there could be a multi party event that occurs 2 times a week max that is much harder/longer, and upon success you could get 70 bologna each. possible extra goals performed mid event could boost it by 5 and 10 respectfully. Bologna goes into your currency item pouch and would be like marks so that you can't give to other people.

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Originally Posted by Volsung

Theres a chance that it could not be random at all but be a standard amount given to all party (eventually multi party) groups involved in the event if its a success. I would prefer this, altered to have a FFXIV spin of course, thats just the barebones idea.

Say there is a RA/EX currency called bologna (just to be silly) and you need 50,000 of it as part of your quest for a relic weapon. There could be two events, 1 a daily that a single party does and if you win you get 30 bologna each. and then there could be a multi party event that occurs 2 times a week max that is much harder/longer, and upon success you could get 70 bologna each. possible extra goals performed mid event could boost it by 5 and 10 respectfully. Bologna goes into your currency item pouch and would be like marks so that you can't give to other people.

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Needs to be harder imo. That honestly seems a bit easy by that standpoint, though, I am going to assume you are just giving an idea and those aren't the actual stats

Just a reminder:

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Originally Posted by Kristina_Farron

Materia craft are planned to be the route to the most "uber" gears. Which means the planners will let [materia buffed gear] > [NM dropped gear].

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-Famitsu Connect-On magazine interview

And I don't see them making slots for relic weapons, that just seems too much.

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Originally Posted by Gath

Needs to be harder imo. That honestly seems a bit easy by that standpoint, though, I am going to assume you are just giving an idea and those aren't the actual stats

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you are correct, thats just an example and nothing more, however, I hope you know thats a 143 weeks attending every single event. >.> Not what I would consider easy thats 3 years for a hardcore player lol. Thats why I think it should be balanced however they decide to do it xD

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Originally Posted by Sylkis

Just a reminder:


-Famitsu Connect-On magazine interview

And I don't see them making slots for relic weapons, that just seems too much.

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I think Relic Weapons would be an exception to that rule or did you just mean you wouldn't be able to add materia on top of it?

The whole point of them is that they are the Ultimate Weapon for your Job and as such have huge requirements to be fulfilled in order to get one. They have to huge otherwise everyone would have one and then all other weapons would be pointless and as much as everyone would probably want one the reality is that only a small percentage would actually be able to achieve it.

So with that how could they implement them, have a fair system in place to earn one but still meet the requirements of what a Relic Weapon is supposed to be?