The Praetorium (Hard)

Well with 2 Hard mode Dungeons per major update eventually they may reach this point since this story dungeon has the potential to have a Hard Mode version.

Most likely it will have...

1) a new path that goes deeper into a underground the research lab in Praetorium that survived Ultima's attack. During the path to Ultima you will notice in the underground lab there are several blocked paths that would lead to other parts of the research lab.

2) Fight experimental magitek which introduce proto versions of future Main Story bosses and enemies.

3) 1st Final Boss: Proto-Ultima Weapon.

4) 2nd Final Boss: Number 128

5) Theme is remix version fo FFVI Magitek Research Facility
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7DvsG5U25A

Reason for being there, lore wise, is to discover any data that remains in Praetorium and what kind of Allagan knowledge did Gaius obtained from Lahabrea.

It may introduce old FF enemies such as..

Chaser
http://static3.wikia.nocookie.net/__...r-ffvi-gba.png

Magitek Armor
http://static3.wikia.nocookie.net/__...r-ffvi-gba.png

Proto Armor
http://static1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...r-ffvi-gba.png

Trapper
http://static4.wikia.nocookie.net/__...r-ffvi-gba.png

Number 024 (1st boss)
http://static1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...4-ffvi-gba.png

Number 128 (Last Boss after Proto-Ultima)
http://static4.wikia.nocookie.net/__...Number_128.png

So what do you think will be in Praetorium (Hard) if they introduce this place as a new 8 member dungeon.

More fillers, yay!

Yup it would be more filler stuff, just like the other hardmode instances that came out in 2.1

So because 1 patch had it means that every patch will have it? At least wait til something like 2.3 to come to a conclusion.

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Originally Posted by Amiantos

So because 1 patch had it means that every patch will have it? At least wait til something like 2.3 to come to a conclusion.

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2.2 will also be introducing 1 new Dungeon (Ruins of Amdapor) and 2 Hard Mode Dungeons. Their current plan is to introduce 1 new dungeon and 2 Hard Mode Dungeons per Major Update.


Also, you people seriously have issue don't you. Copperbell Hard and Hakke Manor Hard may have the same name as the normal dungeon but they certainly are a different dungeons rather than the same dungeon with the same boss.

Most of praetorium was destroyed after the normal version so Praetorium (Hard) will have to be designed as a new dungeon since we will be going into a part of Praetorium that was not in the normal mode dungeon with the first part being only the ruins of the top floor of the research lab we see in the normal version.

I bet if they named Praetorium (Hard) as Magitek Research Lab you people wouldn't call this a recycled content.

Don't encourage this or we may end up fighting Ifrit/Garuda/Titan a fourth time

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

2.2 will also be introducing 1 new Dungeon (Ruins of Amdapor) and 2 Hard Mode Dungeons. Their current plan is to introduce 1 new dungeon and 2 Hard Mode Dungeons per Major Update.


Also, you people seriously have issue don't you. Copperbell Hard and Hakke Manor Hard may have the same name as the normal dungeon but they certainly are a different dungeons rather than the same dungeon with the same boss.

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My bad I didn't know they already announced they were gonna do 2 more HM dungeons. Only knew about the new dungeon. I don't have issue with it as I rather enjoyed them both. I was just assuming you were assuming that this was going to be the plan and that they hadn't already announced it. So I was the ass this time. My only issue was the crap that drops in them.

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Originally Posted by Ricky

Don't encourage this or we may end up fighting Ifrit/Garuda/Titan a fourth time

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Primals are the only thing I notice are actual recycled content.

Hard Mode Dungeons can't really be called Hard Mode because they're more like new dungeons just with the same name.

Most Hard Mode Dungeons in MMOs would be just the same dungeon and boss with higher HP and a few new attacks but Hakke Hard and Copperbell hard were certainly not the same as normal dungeon with higher HP enemies.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Primals are the only thing I notice are actual recycled content.

Hard Mode Dungeons can't really be called Hard Mode because they're more like new dungeons just with the same name.

Most Hard Mode Dungeons in MMOs would be just the same dungeon and boss with higher HP and a few new attacks but Hakke Hard and Copperbell hard were certainly not the same as normal dungeon with higher HP enemies.

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What? The new Main scenario quests have you randomly do level 15/30 guildhest, new dungeon Pharos Sirius just had gear shifted from Amdapor Keep into it because apparently creating a bunch of new cool looking gear is too hard. Treasure maps are just upscaled monsters in boring 1 minute encounters on a 18 hour cooldown with preexisting Aetherial pink items and useless old crafting mats (mostly) as rewards.

I can probably think of more if you'd like.

I highly doubt they'll do Hard Praetorium/Meri considering circumstances but from 1.x > ARR they chopped down some dungeon sizes so it's very much likely we'll see:

TamTara Hard
Satasha Hard (It was a hotpot of Cassopeia Hallows, Mistbeard Cove (or something) and Shosphae)
Amdapor Ruins.

Then we'll likely see:

Toto Rak Hard
Darkhold Hard
(insert new dungeon)

Hard mode of these dungeons would be fun but they seem very much complete (and ran through), the 'hard mode' copperbell for example based on 1.0's design still has room for further expansion actually.

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Originally Posted by Ricky

What? The new Main scenario quests have you randomly do level 15/30 guildhest, new dungeon Pharos Sirius just had gear shifted from Amdapor Keep into it because apparently creating a bunch of new cool looking gear is too hard. Treasure maps are just upscaled monsters in boring 1 minute encounters on a 18 hour cooldown. I can probably think of more if you'd like.

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You're certainly talking about different subject.

I'm talking about the dungeon being different from their normal mode dungeons.

You're talking about loot you get and other content not related to Dungeons.

Hard mode praetorium would be nice. I enjoy that dungeon.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Primals are the only thing I notice are actual recycled content.

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I am responding to this statement. Also, how is the loot you get from dungeons not related to dungeons?

Praetorium Extreme Mode: The Sex Tape of Livia and Gaius.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

3) Final Boss: Proto-Ultima Weapon.

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u sure didn't read the storyline text didn't u OP? The Ultima Weapon we fought is what remains of the mostly original Allagan parts and a little fraction of Garlean magitek parts strapped on it. Proto UW won't happen unless the Garlean have largely reverse engineered Allagan technology

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Originally Posted by Empressia

u sure didn't read the storyline text didn't u OP? The Ultima Weapon we fought is what remains of the mostly original Allagan parts and a little fraction of Garlean magitek parts strapped on it. Proto UW won't happen unless the Garlean have largely reverse engineered Allagan technology

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When they found Ultima it was actually badly damaged. It took time and knowledge of allagan technology provided by Lahabrea to bring it back to actually functioning state.

There are also signs they have tried to replocate Ultima since as you progress to Ultima you will encounter failed Ultima parts called Proto-Ultima Arms.

These Proto-Ultima parts always retract back into the hole they appear from when defeated so it is unknown if these Proto-Ultima Parts have stopped function or not.

Also we do not know how much knowledge did Lahabrea gave to Gaius but due to the vast knowledge that the Ascians have about the Allagans and their technology Lahabrea can give him enough information to create a Proto-Ultima that uses Garlean Magitek.

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Originally Posted by Ricky

I am responding to this statement. Also, how is the loot you get from dungeons not related to dungeons?

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Sorry but when it comes to dungeons I separate loot out from how the Dungeon Mechanics work.

better we stop discussion here since we calculate the value of dungeons differently.

Lahabrea posing a challenge would be nice for a change.

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Originally Posted by Nocte

Lahabrea posing a challenge would be nice for a change.

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Yeah. I agree with you. Lahabrea could have been a very hard boss as he's a both a BLM and SMN in a way. Just liked to see what he'll become in later patches as he's not dead apparently.

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Originally Posted by Nocte

Lahabrea posing a challenge would be nice for a change.

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Well if Praetorium (Hard) is introduced it will not have a harder version of Lahabrea since lore wise you are entering a part of Praetorium that survived Ultima's attack that contains experimental Magitek machines.

It most likely will only have Machine enemies, Machine Magitek bosses, and other enemies related to a Magitek research lab such as introducing old FF series enemies like...

Chaser
http://static3.wikia.nocookie.net/__...r-ffvi-gba.png

Magitek Armor
http://static3.wikia.nocookie.net/__...r-ffvi-gba.png

Proto Armor
http://static1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...r-ffvi-gba.png

Trapper
http://static4.wikia.nocookie.net/__...r-ffvi-gba.png

Number 024
http://static1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...4-ffvi-gba.png

Number 128
http://static4.wikia.nocookie.net/__...Number_128.png

They may even have Praetorium (Hard) as a new Story Dungeon for the Main Storyline where the final boss after Proto-Ultima would be Number 128.

This will allow Praetorium (Hard) to be the 3rd Dungeon we can have for Main Story Scenario Roulette.

Since Praet and CM don't have gear drops wouldn't make since to make a hRD mode for these dungeons.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Well if Praetorium (Hard) is introduced it will not have a harder version of Lahabrea since lore wise you are entering a part of Praetorium that survived Ultima's attack that contains experimental Magitek machines.

It most likely will only have Machine enemies, Machine Magitek bosses, and other enemies related to a Magitek research lab such as introducing old FF series enemies like...

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Magitek based enemies are very plausible for the hard mode dungeon considering (I imagine anyone talking about this is already aware of the story for this dungeon so putting spoilers seems rather unnecessary but for the sake of being nice spoiler)





Nero was the only one to survive and we learned through the encounter in the final story dungeon that he is pretty much Cid's nemesis. So it wouldn't be out of the question to say all of these machine based enemies were created by Nero as an attempt to show that he's better than Cid.

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Originally Posted by Phaylis

Since Praet and CM don't have gear drops wouldn't make since to make a hRD mode for these dungeons.

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Ultima didn't drop anything either though but we were given a hard mode version of that with loot. So you can't really count out these dungeons just because their normal version's have no loot.

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Originally Posted by Nocte

Lahabrea posing a challenge would be nice for a change.

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Expansion. Please look forward to it

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

3) 1st Final Boss: Proto-Ultima Weapon.

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I would like a Praetorium HM dungeon with everything you said, except for a "Proto-Ultima" The Ultima-fight is awesome, the HM Ultima fight is awesome, I just don't want another Ultima when there are so many other enemies in FF lore they could use. We are eventually going to have an Extreme Ultima (I would imagine), this would effectively be 4 Ultima fights in the game. I don't care if the word Proto is stuck in front of Ultima, it would still be another Ultima.

Every single other thing you pontificated about a Praetorium HM dungeon sounds pretty sweet though.

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Originally Posted by Airget

Ultima didn't drop anything either though but we were given a hard mode version of that with loot. So you can't really count out these dungeons just because their normal version's have no loot.

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To be perfectly fair though - When has Ultima been thrown at us and he was worth 'nothing' like he was in FFXIV? Even in XI's version of the storyline mission, 'One to be Feared' was one of the hardest encounters back in 2005ish being just a storyline mission, then we later find out that the versions we fought were basically sending them on a trial run and the "actual" versions were in Limbus.

They needed an excuse to make Ultima actually be a fight worth something.

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Originally Posted by JayCommon

I would like a Praetorium HM dungeon with everything you said, except for a "Proto-Ultima" The Ultima-fight is awesome, the HM Ultima fight is awesome, I just don't want another Ultima when there are so many other enemies in FF lore they could use. We are eventually going to have an Extreme Ultima (I would imagine), this would effectively be 4 Ultima fights in the game. I don't care if the word Proto is stuck in front of Ultima, it would still be another Ultima.

Every single other thing you pontificated about a Praetorium HM dungeon sounds pretty sweet though.

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Well, here's the thing - Technology wise, the only "FF lore" creatures SE could use in regards to Garleans is:

Ultima
Omega
Diamond/Ruby/Sapphire (etc) Weapons
Proto-(insert)
Bahamut Zero (But we know how this would go)
Materia Eater

So on and so forth - There's not much they could use that would make sense, much like Acheron (Titan) is supposedly Allagan yet summons Magitek, which means Magitek is Allagan technology so they could find a way to throw in a Round 1 versus Shinryu, but that would also mean Omega Weapon has to exists somewhere.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Omega
Diamond/Ruby/Sapphire (etc) Weapons
Proto-(insert)
Bahamut Zero (But we know how this would go)
Materia Eater

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Totally agree with you. I'm just saying, I would much rather see one of these listed enemies make their way into the game, rather than another version of Ultima. I think if they were going to go the "Proto-Ultima" route, they never should have released a one-off fight as "Ultima HM" and kept Proto-Ultima as the definitive HM version of Ultima to be released with Prae HM. They didn't do this, so to me it makes no sense to regurgitate this enemy again with a new skin and maybe some different moves. I would LOVE to see Weapons make their way into this game. We already have 3 rounds of the same 3 primals. I guess I'm just looking for the creators to give us some more variety.

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Well it is hard to say how they will handle a Proto-Ultima since Proto-Ulitma is most likely a very unstable version of Ultima there is a lot of ways they can show a unstable untested technology that is meant to be powerful from how his core can blow up anytime to how they try to modify this version to include new types of attacks and weapons to replace old ones Ultima once had. His skills can easily be different from Ultima due to Proto-Ultima being created through Garlean Magitek and that this proto-ultima is a untested model of the mass produced version Gaius sought to make.

Part of the fight could involve finding a way to stabilize Prot-Ultima's core from instant wiping the group at certain phases. Attacks replaced could be like the 3 green laser ray shoots out by Ultima is replaced by a experimental laser beam which may only shoot 1 row and much large in size but due to its unstable nature can instant kill any player hit by it.

As for Omega, well Omega has always been a Stronger version of Ultima Weapon so we can't really complain much.

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Originally Posted by Phaylis

Since Praet and CM don't have gear drops wouldn't make since to make a hRD mode for these dungeons.

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Maybe to earn an attack skill for the magiteck mount

I'd honestly be surprised if they revisit Castrum Meridianum or Praetorium (which was all but blown up) simply because they were tied to major story arcs and technically shouldn't be revistable. Even though you had to go into Haukke and Copperbell for the main story, it's still within the realm of possibility that lesser monsters infested those areas.

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Originally Posted by Ricky

Don't encourage this or we may end up fighting Ifrit/Garuda/Titan a fourth time

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This......

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You know there is no point in encoraging SE to do something we all know they will do anyways. I can already picture Primal Nightmare Mode.

Besides we are getting 2 Hard Mode dungeons per Major update. What is stopping them from adding a different dungeon with the name Praetorium (Hard).

They may just call it Magitek Research Facility because it would be a a completely different dungeon from Praetorium normal mode and have music for the dungeon be remix versions of Final Fantasy VI musics.

Having a remix version of this would be nice...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7DvsG5U25A

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

You know there is no point in encoraging SE to do something we all know they will do anyways. I can already picture Primal Nightmare Mode.

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I thought SE stated that they weren't adding any new difficulty levels past Extreme?

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Originally Posted by gamesmart

I thought SE stated that they weren't adding any new difficulty levels past Extreme?

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It was a joke.

I highly doubt SE would go to that extreme to introduce these primals again.

Most likely they'll just introduce a new Fire, Earth, and Wind Primal in the game instead that has completely different mechanics.

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Originally Posted by Orophin

I'd honestly be surprised if they revisit Castrum Meridianum or Praetorium (which was all but blown up) simply because they were tied to major story arcs and technically shouldn't be revistable. Even though you had to go into Haukke and Copperbell for the main story, it's still within the realm of possibility that lesser monsters infested those areas.

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Yeah, but with Copperbell and Haukke, they invent a new story reason to return. The dungeons are just filled with new inhabitants.

As cool as Praetorium HM would be, its a flaming crater in the story now. They'd have to essentially create a brand new dungeon to reflect that aesthetic (which would then be a new dungeon, rather than a HM), or do something like Minstrel's Ballad.

What about some brand new dungeons and content that is not being recycled? Ifrit Story Mode, Hard Mode, Extreme Mode ; Haukke's manor normal mode, hard mode ; Ultima in praetorium, Ultima Hard Mode. I'm tired of "hard modes". I mean, come on SE, you got more imagination than that and a goddamn huge final fantasy games collection to refer to, make some new stuff instead of increasing the difficulty of some primals we've already seen enough.

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Originally Posted by Cassius

What about some brand new dungeons and content that is not being recycled? Ifrit Story Mode, Hard Mode, Extreme Mode ; Haukke's manor normal mode, hard mode ; Ultima in praetorium, Ultima Hard Mode. I'm tired of "hard modes". I mean, come on SE, you got more imagination than that and a goddamn huge final fantasy games collection to refer to, make some new stuff instead of increasing the difficulty of some primals we've already seen enough.

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Like I said they don't need to call it Praetorium (Hard) since the dungeon itself is the underground research lab we did not explore yet that survived Ultima's attack. They can simply call it Magitek Research Facility and have Magitek enemeis from FFVI as the enemies we fight.

The Magitek Research Facility will have to go through a lot of work since we are not going through the same dungeon due to the part we have been to is now destroyed by Ultima's attack lore wise but through a new dungeon that is part of Praetorium we have never been in.

Ps why does a hard mode version of a dungeon come to mind people involve the Primals. Primals are not Dungeon content. They are Trial Content.

We already seen how they changed the dungeons between Normal and Hard Copperbell and Hakke Manor. They're the same place but are new dungeons with new bosses and mechanics completely separate from the Normal Mode bosses.

Have you people been playing too much other MMOs where their so called Hard Mode is the same dungeon as Normal mode with the same mechanics and bosses but with larger HP?

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

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I just don't want more recycling, but some brand new dungeons. I feel like we're gonna get Sastasha Hard Mode and Halatali Hard Mode coming soon. Instead of spending time on trying to recycle all of these, they should work on some completely new stuff. We've spent too much time in Prae, WP, CM, AK, HM, etc...

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Originally Posted by Cassius

I just don't want more recycling, but some brand new dungeons. I feel like we're gonna get Sastasha Hard Mode and Halatali Hard Mode coming soon. Instead of spending time on trying to recycle all of these, they should work on some completely new stuff.

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Well yes we are getting 2 new Hard modes but they already said we are only getting 1 new dungeon per Major update with Ruins of Amdapor being the next new dungeon which is the remains of the City of Amdapor.

As of now it would be difficult to make a Praetorium (Hard) because it has been mostly destroyed but they can easily introduce a new Dungeon that is in the area of Praetorium.

I don't like the first one.