If you can't afford the houses now they will be sold out

"YoshiP is saying it was set this way so players don’t buy out all the lands right away and end up in situation where none is available."

From the live chat. Houses are finite. No instances will open up when they sell out there simply won't be any. This is the reason for them being so ridiculously overpriced. Remember when he claimed new instances will open up? Guess what? Not true.

maybe they'll update more later?

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Originally Posted by Reslin

"YoshiP is saying it was set this way so players don’t buy out all the lands right away and end up in situation where none is available."

From the live chat. Houses are finite. No instances will open up when they sell out there simply won't be any. This is the reason for them being so ridiculously overpriced. Remember when he claimed new instances will open up? Guess what? Not true.

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I read it more as there being a limited number of instances. There probably will be new instances created, but a finite amount of these so that while there will ultimately still be a definite limit, there's a lot more than the one area to choose from.

Indeed. Plus there was an additional note in the patches that, after 2.2, Unused houses will be reclaimed from inactive FC's. So it makes sense.

Don't mind this guy. He's been shedding his tears on just about every thread he can.

Hahahahahahahaha!

So basically, by that strategy, they could have solved the launch server crashes and overloading by charging a $1299 subscription fee.

These cats at SE, really have to admire their sense of humor.

BTW, if after a massively successful launch, if they are not pumping that money into enough server capacity to handle the content in their own game, and arbitrarily limiting access to content as a result, that is absolutely unacceptable.

Yes, but why? why should there be anything in the game that is not attainable by everyone? Apart from the fact they have priced the FC housing out of reach of all but the larger FC's In the unlikely event we all scrape up the gil we may be just s**t out of luck due to availability. I don't see how things will get any better 3 months down the line so this is one aspect of FFXIV I am not going to participate in...I'm gonna save all my gil until I have enough to buy a mouldy patch of swampland where I can build my personal house.

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Originally Posted by Scamperoo

Apart from the fact they have priced the FC housing out of reach of all but the larger FC's In the unlikely event we all scrape up the gil we may be just s**t out of luck due to availability.

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It begs the question, if they cannot implement enough server capacity for FC housing (which even cost aside was likely to be a less popular feature because some people just dont like to share things), how can we reasonably assume it will be any better for individual housing?

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Originally Posted by Beeraga

It begs the question, if they cannot implement enough server capacity for FC housing (which even cost aside was likely to be a less popular feature because some people just dont like to share things), how can we reasonably assume it will be any better for individual housing?

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The fact that housing has MANUALLY added INSTANCED housing should be an indication.

I played Asheron's call in 2000 which had an abundance of open world housing.

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Originally Posted by Beeraga

It begs the question, if they cannot implement enough server capacity for FC housing (which even cost aside was likely to be a less popular feature because some people just dont like to share things), how can we reasonably assume it will be any better for individual housing?

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*Sobs* Hush! I can have my Lala dreams can't I....

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Originally Posted by Coltvoyance

Indeed. Plus there was an additional note in the patches that, after 2.2, Unused houses will be reclaimed from inactive FC's. So it makes sense.

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Exactly. It's called real estate. If a lot's not available just wait, one will come available. All the pizzazz of this "new feature" will pass over, people will end up not caring about housing any more than they cared about guild housing in Guild Wars or Rift . . . and there will be PLENTY of real estate for those who still think they want to play the Sims in an MMO :)

Honestly I don't even think the richest players will be buying a house right away. Even if you have a billion gil, if you're on a more expensive server this is a HUGE hit if you want to buy the best house.

Housing is not super limited- there can only be as many houses as there are free companies in this patch, so its not like one person can buy up all the housing even if they have unlimited funds.

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Originally Posted by Sayura_

The fact that housing has MANUALLY added INSTANCED housing should be an indication.

I played Asheron's call in 2000 which had an abundance of open world housing.

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I miss that game :(
Frostefell and Wintersebb servers aka Merlin's Apprentice and WillTell

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Originally Posted by Scamperoo

why should there be anything in the game that is not attainable by everyone?.

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Oh god stuff like this makes my brain hurt and it is the reason why devs these days believe they need to make sure everyone can obtain everything easily. Nothing is stopping you from attaining what you want if it is inherently a difficult challenge in one way or another. A large financial barrier means as Yoshi P. says, work together and take the time to earn what you seek. Everyone doesn't need to be on equal footing. This is not FFXIV - Communism.

What you want and how you want it is not necessarily what is best overall.

Just boycot the house prices by not purchasing one period. Once SE sees no one has a house and seeing content they might change it.

Patch Notes 2.2

*Added a new size for housing: "cardboard box" - costs only 50 million gil

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Originally Posted by Coltvoyance

Indeed. Plus there was an additional note in the patches that, after 2.2, Unused houses will be reclaimed from inactive FC's. So it makes sense.

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I bet the claimed FC houses will be sold on the Housing Market as Used Property and their price will be extremely cheap because you're buy a used property.

Just like buying a used car rather than buying a new expensive car that is just released this year.

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Originally Posted by EinSoFZ

Oh god stuff like this makes my brain hurt and it is the reason why devs these days believe they need to make sure everyone can obtain everything easily. Nothing is stopping you from attaining what you want if it is inherently a difficult challenge in one way or another. A large financial barrier means as Yoshi P. says, work together and take the time to earn what you seek. Everyone doesn't need to be on equal footing. This is not FFXIV - Communism.

What you want and how you want it is not necessarily what is best overall.

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It's stupid for a developer to spend money creating content that will not be utilized. That's simply wasted money. They would have been better off just not adding it and instead spending the money on upgrading their servers and adding more mid-game and end-game content.

Only so many plots of land exist in each instance. Only so many instances currently exist.

If housing were priced in a manner that every FC could afford it the entire system would get swamped, as soon as enough FC's hit the next rank there would be a rush on the zones with plots of land being snatched up before you could blink and every instance would end up packed with no room to spare for those that got in late.

The prices now may suck but they accomplish a purpose, they control the flow of plots being immediately purchased. You either have to work hard and save up for it or bite the bullet and pay the price before it starts to depreciate. The plots sell slowly to those that show the most dedication to accessing the feature rather than being snatched up by every two bit FC that happened to get its members on sooner than everyone else.

Have at it guys, my FC will not be purchasing any land, even though we have the gil. The return is simply not worth the cost. Thats one more open plot on Leviathan for you all to enjoy :)

We find that spending the gil on new recruits / alt jobs is much more worthwhile investment than 8-10 million gil on a studio apartment :P

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Originally Posted by coffeeking

maybe they'll update more later?

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It's Square we're talking about.

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Originally Posted by EinSoFZ

Oh god stuff like this makes my brain hurt and it is the reason why devs these days believe they need to make sure everyone can obtain everything easily. Nothing is stopping you from attaining what you want if it is inherently a difficult challenge in one way or another. A large financial barrier means as Yoshi P. says, work together and take the time to earn what you seek. Everyone doesn't need to be on equal footing. This is not FFXIV - Communism.

What you want and how you want it is not necessarily what is best overall.

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I present to you our White-Knight ladies and Gents.

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Originally Posted by Tridus1x

I present to you our White-Knight ladies and Gents.

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No white knight here. I think they've made a plethora of mistakes with ARR. It's too damn easy and is a damn rollercoaster MMO with little content outside of gear grinding. My particular stance on this issue doesn't make me a white knight; it's just one case where I can see how it makes sense.

MMO devs need to stop pandering to whiny babies who want their "phat lootz" right now.

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Originally Posted by EinSoFZ

No white knight here. I think they've made a plethora of mistakes with ARR. It's too damn easy and is a damn rollercoaster MMO with little content outside of gear grinding. My particular stance on this issue doesn't make me a white knight; it's just one case where I can see how it makes sense.

MMO devs need to stop pandering to whiny babies who want their "phat lootz" right now.

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Not a White-Knight but defends a horrible way to go about implenting housing. So let's say when the game started, coil was available but you had to kill Odin and Behemoth 1 million times before you could enter it. Judging from your logic you would be okay with this.

I am not okay with the housing in any kind of way it is now. I rather have FF11 way of housing atm.

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I miss that game :(
Frostefell and Wintersebb servers aka Merlin's Apprentice and WillTell

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Yeah Hub Forever! :D . TD! Been back a few times over the last 8 years. If only they'd make a 3 :P


If 8 million doesn't buy you a 20 bedroom mansion than I'd say save your funds :P

I would hate to lead my FC down a path of spending endless hours of their free time grinding gil and then find out 9 months from now that all the small and medium size plots of land are sold out.

SE posted official translation of Yoshi's comments. I guess I hit my post limit today so I cant reply, but here's my reply. You say, hey, we know prices are high so just wait. Well, ok, Ill wait. But I'm done waiting for content while I'm paying for it. I'll cancel my sub until you fix this nonsense, see how that works out for everyone.

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Originally Posted by EinSoFZ

Oh god stuff like this makes my brain hurt and it is the reason why devs these days believe they need to make sure everyone can obtain everything easily.

What you want and how you want it is not necessarily what is best overall.

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OMG...what a completely blinkered reply, no one said anything about easy except you, I played FF franchise for many years (since the first Final Fantasy) through FFXI, FFXIV 1.0, Alpha and Beta, I've had my gil taken, made to stay on a Legacy world where suddenly I find I am completely shut out of a feature I would like to have been a part of. I have paid my dues, many times and do not appreciate an Archer with a princess attitude telling me I am now nor ever have taken the easy way. What is best overall is not alienating a very loyal and veteran fan base.

Housing Instances are finite first come first served it shouldn't be this way.

I don't care about FC housing, but I worry the pricing and limited availability could forecast a stormy future for personal housing, too, and that is something I do care about. But since it seems to be months away anyway I guess I'll wait and see. Or check back later if I get bored meanwhile. I feel sorry for the small friend and family groups who play together, though. Seems their choices are grind for months to have a shack, join up with a massive group of strangers to have a house worth the trouble, or miss out.

Their system is like a caveman version of what LOTRO does. In Lotro an instance fills up and a new one auto-spawns. In this game, an instance gets close to filling up and devs talk about it in comitee as to wether or not they should manually add another instance. Yes..no automated system, manually.

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SE reaction to this kind of threads...

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

I bet the claimed FC houses will be sold on the Housing Market as Used Property and their price will be extremely cheap because you're buy a used property.

Just like buying a used car rather than buying a new expensive car that is just released this year.

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The price would start at 100% again

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Originally Posted by Tridus1x

I present to you our White-Knight ladies and Gents.

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He isn't a knight, he is clearly playing a bard

What's the point of housing? How is this a worthwhile investment? What resale market could exist?

Dunno, guess I'll just go play the game while all this megahappyfuntime goes on.