So far, we manage ok without loot master. But occasionally we get someone who greeds something on accident and everyone else already passed except the guy who was suppose to roll greed. And the guy who accidentally rolled greed rolls higher and gets the item and the guy who was suppose to roll greed waits 4 more weeks before it drops again....
It would be nice if we could get a Trade Timer like wow implemented where you can trade dungeon loot to people in the group within a certain timer window (think it was 90 minutes).
Better yet, make it so gear in dungeons doesn't bind to anyone and is tradeable until someone equips it or leaves the dungeon.
Also a Loot master mode would be nice where one person is responsible for who gets what to prevent foul ups.
Many people who raid in static groups are Comfortable with the idea of a Loot Master and some sort of looting system. We should at least have the option.
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This would be for premades only full 8/8 group before entering BCB or queing.
Trade Timer / Loot Master -> Can we have it?
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11-13-2013, 05:29 AMRyiosTrade Timer / Loot Master -> Can we have it?
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11-13-2013, 05:49 AMrtpsoulx
Loot Master... on the Duty Finder.... are you mad? <_<;;
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11-13-2013, 05:57 AMShiyo
The fact this game shipped without a master looting system shows how their main focus is on catering to PUG/DF groups, and not organized FC's. Not being able to trade with people inside of coil or while in a dungeon with 3-7 other people on your server that you invited to party yourself before queueing into the dungeon is incredibly annoying as well.
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11-13-2013, 06:01 AMPyretta_Blaze
I definitely don't want Loot Master especially with the DF changing the party leader & the possibility of someone in a PUG abusing it. The ability to trade drops dropped within an instance to other players within the instance might be nice. Even normally untradable stuff.
What I really would like is to be able to downgrade my roll from a Need -> Greed or Greed -> Pass before the timer counts down. I have accidently Needed stuff someone else could use that I didn't actually want and would like a mechanism to change my roll. -
11-13-2013, 06:06 AMRyios
Obviously, it would be for premades......
We need a LM mode for premades, static groups. If someone in the group is from the DF and not part of the premade then disable LM Mode. -
11-13-2013, 06:08 AMashikenshin
if its for premades then i don't think you need it. When I run dungeons with my brothers I tell them I want certain loot and they pass on it. or dont roll at all and i get my stuff. Unless you don't trust your buddies.
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11-13-2013, 06:13 AMShiyoNo, people make mistakes. Also this should be a standard feature in every modern MMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by ashikenshin
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11-13-2013, 06:14 AMSynMaris
Should have been implemented long ago, not for DF but for sure for Pre-Mades.
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11-13-2013, 06:19 AMRyios
If you had read my post, premades screw up sometimes. Or you pick a guy up on toll and then he ignores your loot system and rolls greed on everything.... LM is needed in certain scenarios and it would be nice. As I said it's optional.
The only people against a LM in premades are the people who want to roll on w/e they want and don't want to be forced to Said loot system. And when I shout for a pick up, I tell them up front what the loot rules are and if they don't like it they can run with someone else. I need a LM system to enforce those loot rules.
E.g.
-The pickup is a BLM and we have another BLM in the group
-OUr blm is waiting on one piece in turn 2
So I tell the BLM before he joins us that he cannot role on the piece from turn 2 as our blm has been waiting on it and even go so far as to say he'll get 100k if it drops and he adheres to this rule. I even add things like if you need a static, why not join us? and on and on.
He rolls need on it anyways and says "LOL screw your 100k" and leaves group with his drop.... -
11-13-2013, 06:22 AMashikenshin
which dungeon drops are we talking about because I haven't had this issue, but I want to know why:
you aren't running the dungeon in the job that will roll need on the item
you are running the dungeon with other jobs that can roll need on the item.
just information to form my opinion on the subject
this is not for WP or AK right? I mean those are not the dungeons that made you think: gosh we need this because I really wanted that loot and that douche got it -
11-13-2013, 06:27 AMrtpsoulxSome people have multiple jobs and like doing dungeons on jobs that get a faster queue, i personally will do WP/AK on WAR and see WHM or ARC equips drop and want to greed them but at the same time i dont bitch or honestly even ask for it, if i get it i get it, if i dont i dont, its no big dealQuote:
Originally Posted by ashikenshin
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11-13-2013, 06:33 AMashikenshinI do the same, I have whm and war at 50. Thing is with AK and WP is that you can't have two of the same item. And you run it so many times that you will have many chance to get it and after that it probably will stay in the coffer since everybody has it. I have full sets of gear and weapons for mnk drg brd blm and they are not even 50.Quote:
Originally Posted by rtpsoulx
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11-13-2013, 06:33 AMSiinZ
i will never give anyone control over my loot. lol you guys could just pay attention to what ur doing, this would be the easiest and fastest fix imo. downgraded rolls? eeh ok.
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11-13-2013, 06:33 AMSuP3R_Ch1cKeNIn this case I feel he should be allowed to roll Need on it also. He helped to get the item to drop. he doesn't have the item. Why shouldn't he get a chance to get it. He's not going to run just to help you get drops and he gets what? Experience(in the turn)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryios
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11-13-2013, 06:34 AMashikenshin
if this is for certain drops in dzemael darkhold then yeah everybody should roll greed because gil is gil is gil
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11-13-2013, 06:37 AMC-croftand 100k gil....Quote:
Originally Posted by SuP3R_Ch1cKeN
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11-13-2013, 06:37 AMNaunetIt's standard practice in raiding environments in other MMOs to establish loot rules prior to starting a run. For most static groups, these loot rules go beyond just "roll need on what you need", and a master looter system is absolutely vital. I really don't understand why we don't have it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuP3R_Ch1cKeN
Incidentally, if the guy agreed to the loot rules (that the other BLM would have first dibs on a particular drop) prior to starting the run, then yea - it's wrong for a person to roll on an item. This is how loot distribution has always worked. @.@
Again, if the person agreed to the loot rules, then they agreed to the loot rules. It doesn't matter if you think the stipulation was stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuP3R_Ch1cKeN
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11-13-2013, 06:44 AMSuP3R_Ch1cKeNYes.. That's how it works for static groups.. However you're picking up a random person. This person is using his only run for the week to be help you get a chance at getting other loot and him getting something for himself. There is absolutely no reason a random would run a turn with you other than for loot.. 100k compared to a BiS or damn close to is nothing. The closest crafted gear which would have to be 5x melds would be damn near 5mil at least on my server. As soon as you pick up a random person you should expect people to want the gear that drops or they wouldn't go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Naunet
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11-13-2013, 07:20 AMIzumiRaito
Good static group doesn't need official master loot mode, as it is easy to agree who picks what based on loot history. And master loot for one-time pugs is horrible idea, because of abuses, and every player of such have a right to roll, although getting 2 items by same player from one encounter should be allowed only if he is the only one that can use it on current class.
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11-13-2013, 08:25 AMRyios
Not having loot master just slows things down.
SE Honors verbal agreements and keeps chat logs. So if I agree to take someone under the terms that they don't roll on a specific item if it drops on turn 2 and they agree to go on those conditions, they can't roll on it. If they do anyways, I can put in a ticket, get a GM, and get the item back. I've done it in FFXI a bunch, and they do the same thing in XIV should the need arise.
Loot Master would just solve problems like these without having to drag out a support ticket on it.
And yes, I'm talking about BCB, and any future 8 man or 24 man raids.
And to whoever was asking why is the guy rolling not on his main class.... This is a multi class game. It's very common for someone to have multiple 50's. We have a member in our group with 6 50's and full darklight on 4 of them. If someone can't make it, say a healer, they go healer and we bring a DPS. We will always have our main group members heal or tank if possible and pick up a dps instead of going the other way around. And it varies. Due to the mechanics in coil, we go with 1 melee on turn 1 and turn 2, and on turn 4 he switchs to smn. I go as warrior on turn 1 and 2 and switch to paladin for turn 4 etc.... This game is designed for multiple jobs and switching to what is required, as such loot master would help out a ton for static groups just to maintain a sense of order.
People shouldn't have to stand behind after loot drops to make sure everyone whos not getting gear is out of the turn and onto the next turn. A loot master could handle it, see who needs it, and give it to the next guy on the list in line for it. It speeds things up if anything and makes it so there is only 1 point of entry for user error. -
11-13-2013, 08:35 AMVolcano
If i have learned one thing from PUG DF groups, people do not care in the least bit what you need, if they don't know you. (and even then if they do know you) if it's a PUG you just need what you can, because they sure as hell will need it if they can. dark hold i have never, ever seen a single drop greeded that had the need options, because it's money to them.
all a loot master will do is be open for abuse and people start playing favorites like FFXI's horrible loot system was back in the HNM days. Never again. If you know the people you are with, you can easily work out who wants what.