7 Ideas to Balance WAR

As most of you already know. SE will be buffing war to make them more on par to War. I pick 7 cause thats how much things they are considering to change

1. Make "Fist of Earth" Cross Class

2. Remove Haymaker off GCD. it interrupts combos as it is now

3. Make "Flash" Blind standard

4. Add 15% healing buff to Defiance and add 2% chance to parry per wrath instead

5. Change Second Wind back to the way it was in Beta. It use to recover 15% . In Full DL I have 7500 hp, i would recover 1125 every time instead of the 600-800 i do now.

6. Make Rampart Crossclass.
In exchange for Savage Blade...why the heck did they give us Savage Blade anyway ?

7. Lastly, Make Bloodbath recover 50%(100% traited) of damage dealt for 15secs.Increase CD If you think that sounds OP, PLD has a ability that makes him invincible for 10secs.

Please like if you think these are good ideas. So This can get SE attention. Thank you :)

LOL i like you! Sounds like fun.

I think these changes would border on "going overboard". Here's my specific feedback:

#1 - You're basically giving WAR PLD-esque CDs with this. Not to mention, from a semantic or lore perspective, why should WAR have "fist" abilities?
#2 - Why would you waste a cross-skill slot on Haymaker though?
#3 - This one I'd be okay with, but you'd need to give PLD something new to compensate for them losing this exclusively. I think it makes Flash more interesting when it can be used as a defensive CD of sorts.
#4 - Way too overpowered. You might be on to a good concept, but you'd need to lower the numbers, I think. I'd also argue it works better in reverse: add a parry buff to Defiance, and keep the healing buff with Wrath. It makes sense that a buffed Inner Beast trades a static +healing benefit for a large self-heal.

#5 - I think changing Second Wind to a %-based heal makes sense, actually.
#6 - Again, you're making WAR a PLD here. And if you did this, why would you need #4? The concepts are mutually exclusive, unless your goal is just "make a tank indestructible".
#7 - I agree Bloodbath could use a buff. But in conjunction with everything else here, it becomes overkill. I'd take something like this over a Second Wind buff, but not both. I'd rather still see Inner Beast changed to be a %-based so that it's not largely reliant on concurrent CDs.

None of the ideas are particularly terrible in concept, but the numbers are tuned a bit high and combined, these are just too much, I think.

I feel the buffs you purpose makes warriors to relient on other classes and while we have pretty decent (do not get me wrong I wish we had a few better ones)

I rather have a majority on our skills buffed instead of our cross-skills.

I propose you roll a paladin, instead of demanding SE makes your class a paladin + warrior unstoppable tanking machine.

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Originally Posted by Vod

I propose you roll a paladin, instead of demanding SE makes your class a paladin + warrior unstoppable tanking machine.

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Why....are you so angry? No one demanded anything, he was throwing out fun ideas. You know, contributing things to a fun community - not bringing negativity and hyperbole into a benign thread.

But, in response:
1) Meh - They aren't going to make changes to X-class abilities
2) Meh - See above
3) I don't like this - it adds proactive mitigation to WAR which is PLD's thing
4) I like where this is going. But instead of adding Parry I'd rather see every wrath stack takes away 1.5% of the damage penalty of Defiance or something.
5) I think if you combo 2nd Wind with Berserk you could get a 1200-1400 pt heal, as it doubles the potency.
6) LOL - yeah Savage Blade is a rather odd choice. I'd rather see something like Fight or Flight get X-classed instead, Rampart is, again, against the theme of the WAR imo.
7) Yeah Bloodbath should be a more central skill. Something like give it a 30second duration and a 30s CD, so it can always be up if you are paying attention. I feel like this should be an iconic WAR skill instead of the afterthought it is now.

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Originally Posted by Ehayte

7) Yeah Bloodbath should be a more central skill. Something like give it a 30second duration and a 30s CD, so it can always be up if you are paying attention. I feel like this should be an iconic WAR skill instead of the afterthought it is now.

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I like your idea of basically having bloodbath up all the time.

I don't like to hold my wrath and want to use Inner Beast when ever possible; but of course having full HP when you use it doesn't bode well if you know a big attack is coming. I propose to add an additional effect to inner beast, if the heal of inner beast causes a over-heal, add that over-heal to maximum health for the next 5 seconds (this ability shouldn't stack with another inner beast in that time duration). This very well could be way over powering to the point it becomes a new Thrill of Battle, in that case, scaling wouldn't be difficult.

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Originally Posted by Englesyn

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My idea (which is just a piggy back on someone else's idea) would be to have it function like Thrill of Battle, where it adds the amount healed to your cap for...let's say 6s, as opposed to it only adding if you are overhealing. A 6s increase isn't really anything OPed, but it would allow healers to top you off to ungodly amounts before a big hit to rival those pesky PLD CDs. If a PLD gets a 40% dmg mitigation CD, WARs should be able to increase their total hit points by 40% : D. Just picture it now:

WAR HP of 8k > IB for 1600 = 9600HP > Thrill up to 11520HP : D. I think there is a cap on HP @ 9999 atm, so they'd need to break it for this to really work, but it would be cool. And yeah no stacking IBs...you could see 13khp, even though it would only last for like 1 or 2s. Imagine a Graniteskin at those levels, something like 2500 hp in a shield lol. This would certainly add an interesting dimension for shielding-focused healers to play with in terms of timing and strategy.

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Originally Posted by OmegaSinX

In exchange for Savage Blade...why the heck did they give us Savage Blade anyway?

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For the same reason what we can cross class the second skill in a marauder combo? And that reason is... NO IDEA, lol. We both get a worthless kill. Live with it I guess.

I'd prefer LNC cross-class than PUG. Featherfoot and Internal Release are okay (New Second Wind is meh), But having Keen Flurry and Invigorate would be much more appreciated and central. Dodge chance with Vengeance is kinda silly and doesn't really fit the "idea" of a warrior. Punching things makes sense, but not as much as wielding your axe with lance-like styles. Thrusting and Deflecting resemble the Warrior's role more than occasionally punching things.


This would give us Provoke, Flash, Convalescence, Keen Flurry, and Invigorate. Which would be fantastic.

I like you. :3

My 7 suggestions:

1. Make 15% heal buff native to Defiance and not Wrath Dependent
2. Remove damage nerf of Defiance.
3. Make Flash Blind translate to WAR
4. Make Foresight remove a percentage of damage rather than just raise Defense
5. Make Vengeance damage a mob of a percentage of damage received (So if you get damaged by Mountain Buster the damage to Titan will be say 25%, combined with Bloodbath, 25% of that 25% would result in a heal.
6. Make WAR Parry from any angle.
7. Buff Steel Cyclone.

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Originally Posted by Ehayte

1) Meh - They aren't going to make changes to X-class abilities
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They actually specifically said that cross class abilities were getting looked at, because some classes have really useful ones, while others are completely useless.

As for the person who said it makes no thematic sense, that's just bad translation, see: Haymaker. How does one perform a haymaker with a bow? They don't. JApanese name is Counter, which makes sense.

Likewise Fist of * is * no Kamae in japanese, or Stance of *, and if you are going to say that a fighter, of any type, makes no thematic sense changing their stance, i'm gonna look at you very confusedly.

Going to say this again here, maybe it will trend who knows.
I would LOVE if Inner Beast just worked like Thrill of Battle (Give bonus HP along with curing). This could then be used to blow pre-bighit to give you a buffer, and then you could burst back your wraith stacks with Infuriate (5), or Berserk/Vengence (2). It wouldn't change the mechanics of War, but it would give a big incentive to actually use your Wraith stacks.
It would be nice if the damage mitigation from Foresight was better, or if we could reduce the recast on our off-GCD stun. But I think the above change would make Warrior much easier to work in party dynamic.

Fist of the earth going to war sounds awesome to me...assuming it isn't broke.
If I'm not wrong it means under defiance with full wrath we would have 1.26, healing vs PLD's 1.25 and 1.36% effective health vs Plds 1.25s.

That is cool (if not mandatory) assuming it doesn't push War up too far.
Would like bloodbath stormpath and cyclone to be more relevant. A 2s window of kill on mercy stroke would be some nice QoL as well.

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Originally Posted by Vod

I propose you roll a paladin, instead of demanding SE makes your class a paladin + warrior unstoppable tanking machine.

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Umm....did you bother to Check my profile ? My PLD is 50 with Relic +1.

Fists of Earth cross class would be godly, and IMO would eliminate about 1/2 of the gap between WAR and PLD. I would instantly go back to my WAR if they did this.

IMO they need more changes than just those 7 (and some wouldn't even matter, like Flash blinding, since most things are immune to blind anyway). Though Rampart Cross Class and Fists of Earth cross class would be amazing.

I think WAR skills will get a lot of love. Once SE realizes that the cross class skills WAR provides (i.e. Mercy Stroke, Foresight) are just utter crap hopefully it will be improved for everyone.

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Originally Posted by FAVisceglia

#1 - You're basically giving WAR PLD-esque CDs with this. Not to mention, from a semantic or lore perspective, why should WAR have "fist" abilities?
#2 - Why would you waste a cross-skill slot on Haymaker though?
#3 - This one I'd be okay with, but you'd need to give PLD something new to compensate for them losing this exclusively. I think it makes Flash more interesting when it can be used as a defensive CD of sorts.

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1. Your point is valid, but I don't think SE thought about lore when they were creating Cross Class Skills. If they did, BRD would not have DRG & MNK crossclass, and BLM ( A caster) wouldn't have a Archer Cross Class.

2. 20% Slow with 100% uptime potential is huge for mitigation in long fights.

3. I would have mention other things they could give othere classes, but then that post would be 5 pages lol

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Originally Posted by Ehayte

5) I think if you combo 2nd Wind with Berserk you could get a 1200-1400 pt heal, as it doubles the potency.

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I wish! The biggest Second Wind I've seen with berserk is about 900. A 1200-1400 Heal is an average Inner Beast which is a 900 Potency Heal. Second Wind is 450 Potency.

Also, Berserk boost attack power by 50% So Second Potency is boosted to 600, not 900. , It would only do double the potency if Berserk boosted attack power by 100%. That would be way to OP.

Grabbing multiple peoples ideas and twisting em
1. Get fist of earth cross.class instead of Mantra.
2. Make maim 24s default. Put bloodbath to 35% absorb and replace enhanced maim for enhanced bloodbath which makes it 50% absorb.
3. Storm path makes your attacks have 15% absorb for some duration.
4. Vengeance reflects damage taken (10 or 15%)
5. If enemy dies within 2s of Mercy stroke you are still healed.
6. Innerbeast functions similar to Thrill of battle so easier to avoid overheal.
7. Foresight can default at 90s CD, Enhanced Foresight increases it to 40% defense

My question would be, can these ideas solve the static vs scale problem? From what I've been reading on the forums, the only real problem is that WAR can't scale mitigate the incoming damage like a PLD can. So when they have content where things hit very very hard, will these ideas help to mitigate those kinds of hits?

As someone said earlier, Making Fist of Earth Cross Class alone would fix a lot of WARs issues alone. Haymaker scales, The Change to Second Wind would scale, and If they Change Foresight to percentage that would scale also. So to answer your question, yes. If SE made these changes, they would scale well.

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Originally Posted by glen7187

My question would be, can these ideas solve the static vs scale problem? From what I've been reading on the forums, the only real problem is that WAR can't scale mitigate the incoming damage like a PLD can. So when they have content where things hit very very hard, will these ideas help to mitigate those kinds of hits?

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Fists of Earth would make WAR scale. Between that, 25% additional health, and the 15% bonus heals from Wrath the scaling would be improved dramatically.

But it wouldn't solve the problem entirely.

But it's not just the scaling which screws the WAR, it's the fact that currently that's the WAR's only available way to mitigate damage - i.e. in a non-scaling manner. If that changed and WARs had more ways to mitigate damage in a scaling manner (i.e. Fists of Earth) it would make the non-scaling mechanics significantly more potent. Whether or not they would stay relevant in the long run is anyone's guess though.

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Originally Posted by OmegaSinX

As someone said earlier, Making Fist of Earth Cross Class alone would fix a lot of WARs issues alone. Haymaker scales, The Change to Second Wind would scale, and If they Change Foresight to percentage that would scale also. So to answer your question, yes. If SE made these changes, they would scale well.

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I mean in comparison to the damage that comes in. Changing Second Wind to a percent of your HP isn't scaling it cause your HP is static in comparison to the content. Changing Foresight to a percentage of incoming damage will work, but that kind of makes it like PLD and some WARs don't want the job to become the same PLD in terms of mitigating. Haymaker Slows right? How will the slow scale incoming damage? Especially if its a large burst hit? Fists of Earth would be a good help though I agree.

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Originally Posted by Hachiko

But it's not just the scaling which screws the WAR, it's the fact that currently that's the WAR's only available way to mitigate damage - i.e. in a non-scaling manner. If that changed and WARs had more ways to mitigate damage in a scaling manner (i.e. Fists of Earth) it would make the non-scaling mechanics significantly more potent. Whether or not they would stay relevant in the long run is anyone's guess though.

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Good point.

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Originally Posted by glen7187

I mean in comparison to the damage that comes in. Changing Second Wind to a percent of your HP isn't scaling it cause your HP is static in comparison to the content. Changing Foresight to a percentage of incoming damage will work, but that kind of makes it like PLD and some WARs don't want the job to become the same PLD in terms of mitigating. Haymaker Slows right? How will the slow scale incoming damage? Especially if its a large burst hit? Fists of Earth would be a good help though I agree.

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See thats the thing, I think SE had good intentions, but didn't realize how well Damage Reduction is better than HP. its seems almost impossible to make WAR scale well with content now unless they make WARs More like PLD or keep PLD as Damage mitigation thru percentage, and Make Wars Mitigation Come From Self Buff/Debuffs (Determination Down, Slow, Paralyze, Accuracy Down, Parry Rate Up etc).

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Originally Posted by glen7187

My question would be, can these ideas solve the static vs scale problem? From what I've been reading on the forums, the only real problem is that WAR can't scale mitigate the incoming damage like a PLD can. So when they have content where things hit very very hard, will these ideas help to mitigate those kinds of hits?

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At least if SE move 15% heal bonus to Defiance, than Inner Beast and other WAR skills become much stable. In the past Hachiko testified that Inner Beast become useless with massive DPS; because of wrath stack dropped after using IB, witch means WAR lost heal bonus, efficiency of IB Burst scale DOWN with monster DPS(or healer HPS). Same thing happen to Unchained and Steel Cyclone, than that make both 2 skills totally worthless.

SE definitely need to do something with Defiance and Wrath. But this fix will increase WAR static mitigation super high (and still not scale!). I can't imagine how to fix WAR properly.

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Originally Posted by Nonohana

I can't imagine how to fix WAR properly.

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If some how some miracle happens and SE make the changes I suggested, War would have viable Static 10% Damage Reduction Via Fist of Earth, 15% Constant Healing received via Defiance, +10% chance to parry with 5 wrath, +25% HP in Defiance, pretty much a 2nd Thrill of battle via "Second Wind" and a 15sec Absorb via damage dealt.

I think that would be enough to compete with PLD Shield with Chance to Block, Shield Oath (20% Constant DR), Rampart (20% DR) Sentinel (40% DR), Bulwark (Increase Shield block by 60%), Hallow Ground (Invincible for 10 sec) Rage of Halone (-10% STR on Target), 2 Stuns, and 1 Silences.

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Originally Posted by OmegaSinX

Also, Berserk boost attack power by 50% So Second Potency is boosted to 600, not 900. , It would only do double the potency if Berserk boosted attack power by 100%. That would be way to OP.

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Correction, Berserk boosts Second Wind potency to 675 for War, not 600.

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Originally Posted by OmegaSinX

If some how some miracle happens and SE make the changes I suggested, War would have viable Static 10% Damage Reduction Via Fist of Earth, 15% Constant Healing received via Defiance, +10% chance to parry with 5 wrath, +25% HP in Defiance, pretty much a 2nd Thrill of battle via "Second Wind" and a 15sec Absorb via damage dealt.

I think that would be enough to compete with PLD Shield with Chance to Block, Shield Oath (20% Constant DR), Rampart (20% DR) Sentinel (40% DR), Bulwark (Increase Shield block by 60%), Hallow Ground (Invincible for 10 sec) Rage of Halone (-10% STR on Target), 2 Stuns, and 1 Silences.

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Fist of Earth make WAR EHP become x1.38 (PLD x1.25) and Effective Heal Bonus become x1.27(PLD x1.25).
This overwhelm PLD's Shield Oath.

We don't need WAR and PLD to mitigate same amount of damage, but at least 2 jobs needs to scale alike, and I don't think WAR should overwhelm PLD's Shield Oath.

Fist of Earth is way too strong.
Yes Rampart and Sentinel scale up by DR, but with Fist of Earth stable IB Heal looks do more for most situation include Bahamut.
1200 IB heal per 22.5 sec mitigates 53 dps and heal can be higher ... is a LOT of static mitigation.
We have Infuriate(60sec) this mitigate 20 dps with extra IB heal, berserk and Internal Release mitigates 10 dps or so and Fist of Earth make all of those efficiency multiply by 1.11...
so 53 + 20 + 10 = 83 * 1.11 = 92 dps mitigation without Foresight, Bloodbath, Thrill of Battle, and Featherfoot, ANNNND this is still STATIC.

even against 1000 DPS PLD do only (well this is huge mitigation)
Rampart do .2 * 20 * 1000 / 90 mitigates 44 dps.
Sentinel do .4 * 10 * 1000 / 180 mitigates 22 dps.
Those two most efficient actions doesn't reach to IB heal mitigation.
Leave Rage of Halone because it benefit both WAR and PLD.
Leave Shield Oath because it's overwhelmed by Defiance + Fist Of Earth.

I'm not math genius so I wonder if I've done this right but looks Defiance Fix + Fist Of Earth OP.

With Fist Of Earth WAR heal Bonus should be 10%. (3% behind on heal bonus) Then WAR still needs to nerf something else. ... and WAR still needs some actions to scale.

Looking at Inner beast in terms of healing per second or mitigation per second is faulty relative to it's purpose. It's a burst heal, good for getting some breathing room after a burst hit. For sustained damage Wrath is better. That won't change with Fist of the Earth.

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Originally Posted by Hundred

Looking at Inner beast in terms of healing per second or mitigation per second is faulty relative to it's purpose. It's a burst heal, good for getting some breathing room after a burst hit. For sustained damage Wrath is better. That won't change with Fist of the Earth.

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Originally Posted by OmegaSinX

4. Add 15% healing buff to Defiance and add 2% chance to parry per wrath instead

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This totally changes Inner Beast. It make IB stable and we can calc IB heal as mitigation per second.

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Originally Posted by Nonohana

This totally changes Inner Beast. It make IB stable and we can calc IB heal as mitigation per second.

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I think he was just proposing it, and if you lost 10% parry for using inner beast it would be iffy to use it every time you hit 5 wrath... but anyhow.

I think if you just look at IB + (Static 15%) Defiance + Fists of Earth vs. Shield Oath then yes, that combo will come out on top from a pure mitigation standpoint, but I think you are leaving off too much. Shield block still accounts for ~5-6% damage reduction, and in my testing it looks like it also moves some crits off of the table (relatively my WAR was crit ~20% more often than my PLD). In my testing without considering Rage of Halone, sheild oath + shield block just passively worked out to ~27% less damage taken for my PLD. So by leaving off the chance to block I think you're missing something critical.

Point two is that Rage of Halone is not something to dismiss. It is significant (though I haven't thoroughly tested it), and just because both tanks can benefit from it it is only very rarely that a PLD would be able to use it in a non-tanking situation. It would benefit on something like Cad before the split and turn 2, but it really is only benefitting the paladin on turn 4 and post split Cad.

Point three is that unless inner beast is dramatically changed you still have to worry about overheals making Inner Beast's usage less efficient. In fact, even if the stacks were static you would still only want to use it if you are down ~2x what you heal for, in case a cure 2 lands at the same time. So getting the perfect IB heal / 20 mitigation as a constant thing is not super likely.

Point four would be that PLD still would have a lot of advantages. You're comparing Inner Beast heals to their cooldowns but that's sort of a stilted comparison because their cooldowns pretty much blow WAR cooldowns out of the water. For example, PLD would still have more EHP for single hits under Sentinel and also still have the godly hallowed ground.

Ultimately it's unlikely that any change SE could make would put WAR in a place like PLD are in now unless they really just re-vamped warriors in a really dramatic way.

Just as some quick math, on a boss doing 1000 dps, assuming RoH is ~5% damage reduction:

Shield Oath cuts 20%, Block cuts ~6%, RoH cuts 5% (all multiplicative), which leaves ~714 HPS to be healed.

For a WAR with a static 15% and Fists of Earth cuts 10%. That would leave ~782 HPS to be healed Even under perfect conditions with IB you would still not catch up to PLD before they use their cooldowns.

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Originally Posted by OmegaSinX

As most of you already know. SE will be buffing war to make them more on par to War. I pick 7 cause thats how much things they are considering to change

1. Make "Fist of Earth" Cross Class

2. Remove Haymaker off GCD. it interrupts combos as it is now

3. Make "Flash" Blind standard

4. Add 15% healing buff to Defiance and add 2% chance to parry per wrath instead

5. Change Second Wind back to the way it was in Beta. It use to recover 15% . In Full DL I have 7500 hp, i would recover 1125 every time instead of the 600-800 i do now.

6. Make Rampart Crossclass.
In exchange for Savage Blade...why the heck did they give us Savage Blade anyway ?

7. Lastly, Make Bloodbath recover 50%(100% traited) of damage dealt for 15secs.Increase CD If you think that sounds OP, PLD has a ability that makes him invincible for 10secs.

Please like if you think these are good ideas. So This can get SE attention. Thank you :)

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of 7 suggestions i see 2 based purely on WAR skills, the rest are cross-class skills.

WAR was designed to mitigate via self-healing as opposed to PLD's mitigation. what needs buffing is WAR self healing, not taking stuff to "be more pld"

a Trait at level 50 to reduce bloodbath cooldown to half and increase its healing to 100% returned, along with storms path returning 150% and turning mercy stroke into a "heal when used in last 20%" rather than "heal on kill only" skill should give WAR all the self-healing assitance it needs at endgame, will still be more MP intensive for a WHM but we work better with SCH it seems anyway.

How about make inner beast give the heal like it does, but also put an absorb shield on you equal to 50% of the damage received during the last5 seconds from enemies?

That would make warriors scale with their gear in terms of the heal along with the content by getting a bubble equal to a percentage if damage recieved.

Also, when you take a big hit or a lot of damage, say 5k dmg, you heal yourself by a decent amount and the healers would have time to rescue you as opposed to having you potentially be 2 shotted in the span of 2 seconds.

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How about this too? Leave warrior how it is, but make the warrior revolve around inner beast for real. What I mean is, let it be used with any amount of wrath stacks, but each stack makes it stronger. Kind of like this...

1 stack : heal for 60% of dmg dealt from move, get bubble equal to 5% of dmg received in last 5 seconds.
2 stacks : heal for 120% dmg dealt, bubble equal to 10% dmg received.
5 stacks: heal for 300% dmg dealt, bubble equal to 25% dmg received.

Of course, it would be better if healing bonus was tied to defiance instead of wrath stacks, but it would still be pretty good and it would add a bit more strategy to warrior tanking which is always a good thing.

Would like to see the enhanced trait for Fracture afflict Paralysis, also with the intent that Paralysis is something that bosses aren't immune to. Might balance out once diminishing returns comes into play.

May need to be balanced some if this occurs, e.g. non-trait duration, but slightly upping its damage to make it slightly DPS attractive for cross class.

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Originally Posted by Hachiko

You're comparing Inner Beast heals to their cooldowns but that's sort of a stilted comparison because their cooldowns pretty much blow WAR cooldowns out of the water

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I'm just a beginner in the finer points of a WAR (lvl, like, 40 or something unimpressive), but I have a decently geared PLD. Comparing IB to PLD CDs is very fair. PLD does not have anything to compete with skills like IB and Maim (Spirits Within being the stand-out for PLD weapon skills. Circle of Scorn is OK, but OP beats the crap out of it in most useful aspects). A fair comparison is Infuriate Vs. Hallowed Ground (HG wins but A LOT, lol), ToBattle Vs. Rampart (Again, Ramp wins), Foresight vs. Bulwark, Featherfoot (MRD) vs Foresight (PLD). I'm not saying WAR wins ANY of those fights, but you can't make a blanket comparison between CDs only, because WAR has a weaker suite of CDs in exchange for a stronger set of Weaponskills.

They got totally screwed on the deal, but that's how I see it.

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Originally Posted by Ryougi

They actually specifically said that cross class abilities were getting looked at, because some classes have really useful ones, while others are completely useless.

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I meant they aren't going to change the way another class's ability works for the benefit of WARs. And I don't think they would trait a cross-class.

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Originally Posted by Nonohana

This totally changes Inner Beast. It make IB stable and we can calc IB heal as mitigation per second.

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True if you make that change it would be, albeit parry isn't worth enough to be worth the choice imo, would just throw out IB then and that be slightly monotonous.

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Originally Posted by Shingi

of 7 suggestions i see 2 based purely on WAR skills, the rest are cross-class skills.

WAR was designed to mitigate via self-healing as opposed to PLD's mitigation. what needs buffing is WAR self healing, not taking stuff to "be more pld"

a Trait at level 50 to reduce bloodbath cooldown to half and increase its healing to 100% returned, along with storms path returning 150% and turning mercy stroke into a "heal when used in last 20%" rather than "heal on kill only" skill should give WAR all the self-healing assitance it needs at endgame, will still be more MP intensive for a WHM but we work better with SCH it seems anyway.

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100% absorb for 30 seconds on a 45 second cooldown would be absurd.
Mercy stroke is meant for multi-enemy situations as I see it which is why it works the way it does, a buffer like
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Assassin's_Promise would be some nice QoL for it.
I thought about Storm path at 150% before, its something like ~1/3rd of an IB right, would be good when you're up on Enmity for some sustain given you have the TP before it. I think it can work, but I've seen another suggestion to make storm path give a buff that makes your attacks absorb (like bloodbath) which I thought was cool. Either way the skill currently is pretty useless from day 1, so a buff can't hurt it.

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Originally Posted by Hachiko

For a WAR with a static 15% and Fists of Earth cuts 10%. That would leave ~782 HPS to be healed Even under perfect conditions with IB you would still not catch up to PLD before they use their cooldowns.

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WAR doesn't necessarily have to be at the same state before CD's even though you included RoH. They are allowed some degree of assymetry, and in contrast to RoH, WAR is increasing his damage with eye, which I think is fair enough for a divide to be made in that particular comparison between defensive and offensive strength given that when the two come together they both reap the benefits of the others debuff.
I believe you said before it doesn't matter for balance, but the lack of relevance in Storm path and even Bloodbath is kind of off-putting. Defiance nerfs the healing of Bloodbath and Storm path 25%, kind of wonky given that mitigation vs health pool has an old problem of effective healing being increased in one, with the health pool taking longer to replenish itself making it fall behind. When you're nerfing the healing of bloodbath and Storm path 25% while increasing your health pool 25% it's really backwards in that respect, especially given that Storm path never healed for anything to begin with and Bloodbath was "eh" from the first run in Satasha.