Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

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Originally Posted by GrimGale

We don't get an animation upgrade to our basic attacks this time. Our DoT has the same potency since ShB and our Damage Spell does not (presumeably) get an upgraded potency. Is that why we get some form of 2min attack? The 5 potency upgrade we would have gotten with Glare 6, Broil 7, Astral Solar Malefic and Dosis IV gets to be "contained" into our new shiny 2minute Cds?

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A more cynical interpretation of this is that this is done to reduce the damage variance of healers. Guess what job has the most damage variance between the average and the high-end. It's not BLM, or SAM, or any DPS jobs. It's every healer. Packing a shiny damage button into the 2-min window just makes sure you have a baseline expectation of damage you can tune for. Expect the new DPS button to be a silly 800 potency attack.

I just don't get what's so hard for them to understand that people don't like having to press 1 2 1 1 1 1 ad nauseam on any healers they pick when there's nothing to do.

As a side note, having just finished leveling all trust NPCs to lv90 couple of days ago, I begin to think they really believe how a player should heal is how they craft their healer trust AIs. (godplsno)

Considering how hostle Yoshi-P’s response was snd the utter lack of respect the FFXIV team have for Playstation players, (forcing them to redo content to unlock trophies if achieved on a different system), then it seems that it’s just time to unsub and jump ship. Devs obviously don’t care at this point.

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

White Mage getting 3 instances of this new attack where Scholar only gets 1 is depressing. Who hates Scholar so much that they feel the need to shove them into an ugly robe and humiliate them?

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If you've been paying attention they've been taking all the old SCH stuff that they've removed over the years, repackaging it, and putting it on Sage

With the revelation of SE's plans for Healers come 7.0, I've taken to rewriting and reformatting some old ideas of mine, which I'll be posting in the Healer section... tomorrow probably. The reason for making said designs is partly for fun, but mainly to show that it's very possible to create an engaging Healer kit, that remains true to the Lore and Identity of the class, all while keeping the Job accessible to the less skilled/more laid back/casual/whatever term you want to use, player. That means things like 'having RNG on the Tarot inspired healer', which SE seems to want to move away from for some reason, and 'Having the healer who has a fairy, get fairy wings for their super-mode' instead of those tacky angel wings and that hideous white robe SE showed for SCH.

It's kind of surprising to me that I'm able to see a way to make a lore compliant, low skill floor high skill ceiling, design for the healers, but SE either can't, or refuses to due to it 'not matching their vision for the role'. But at this point, I can't even tell what their vision for the role even IS, outside of 'it is functional enough that it can fill the healer slot in a party, so that the DPS and Tank players can do the content'

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Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe

But at this point, I can't even tell what their vision for the role even IS, outside of 'it is functional enough that it can fill the healer slot in a party, so that the DPS and Tank players can do the content'

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My thoughts when I see them add even more healing actions to the inflated healing library each healer has, then turns around and goes "It's difficult because if we add more damage, it'll become harder for healers to clear content."

What I'm hoping for also in DT is that these new DPS actions (and healing abilities too) aren't locked to later levels. Every expansion, it seems that the later levels are primarily put into focus. This causes a problem where the Job is only fun to play at a certain level range. And this isn't just true for healers, but for all Jobs. WHM for example, I do hope we get some sort of weaker version of the new DPS / Healing actions at the lower levels. Reuse assets and bring in old, existing abilities like Water III, Water IV, and Banish (from Bozja) and put them in place of the new DPS action at lower levels of the game. Bring back old actions like Divine Seal and just upgrade it to Temperance at level 80.

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

My thoughts when I see them add even more healing actions to the inflated healing library each healer has, then turns around and goes "It's difficult because if we add more damage, it'll become harder for healers to clear content."

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Me looking at my hotbars being filled with so much healing I don't even know where to put them

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Originally Posted by Allegor

Me looking at my hotbars being filled with so much healing I don't even know where to put them

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Originally Posted by currentlemon

What I'm hoping for also in DT is that these new DPS actions (and healing abilities too) aren't locked to later levels. Every expansion, it seems that the later levels are primarily put into focus. This causes a problem where the Job is only fun to play at a certain level range. And this isn't just true for healers, but for all Jobs. WHM for example, I do hope we get some sort of weaker version of the new DPS / Healing actions at the lower levels. Reuse assets and bring in old, existing abilities like Water III, Water IV, and Banish (from Bozja) and put them in place of the new DPS action at lower levels of the game. Bring back old actions like Divine Seal and just upgrade it to Temperance at level 80.

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What if we did this for White Mage:

Aero III is obtained at level 54. Similar to Thundercloud, each tick of Aero II has a chance of proc'ing single cast of Aero III: a small, instant cast nuke. Presence of Mind grants 3 stacks of a buff that can be consumed by any attacking spell. After a stack is consumed, grants 1 use of Aero III. Aero III is upgraded to [Insert Name Here] at level 92. Thoughts?

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

What if we did this for White Mage:

Aero III is obtained at level 54. Similar to Thundercloud, each tick of Aero II has a chance of proc'ing single cast of Aero III: a small, instant cast nuke. Presence of Mind grants 3 stacks of a buff that can be consumed by any attacking spell. After a stack is consumed, grants 1 use of Aero III. Aero III is upgraded to [Insert Name Here] at level 92. Thoughts?

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I assume Aero III shares the same button as Aero II? A great idea. It would mean that WHM would have a "finisher" of some sort and it'd solve the one-button issue. It'd be hard to implement as it would force the devs to create an AoE Dia down the line. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I'm sure, and I hope, they can do it at a later expansion (hopefully 8.0).

I'd also like to see WHM have something akin to SCH's Quicken Aetherflow from pre-Shb. Something that would lower the CD of PoM after the use of a certain spell or proc since it's now going to be integral to WHM's burst. This may not be possible to implement right now due to the existence of the two minute meta, but it would help if (knock on wood) PoM CD is still 120sec going into DT.

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I assume Aero III shares the same button as Aero II? A great idea. It would mean that WHM would have a "finisher" of some sort and it'd solve the one-button issue. It'd be hard to implement as it would force the devs to create an AoE Dia down the line. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I'm sure, and I hope, they can do it at a later expansion (hopefully 8.0).

I'd also like to see WHM have something akin to SCH's Quicken Aetherflow from pre-Shb. Something that would lower the CD of PoM after the use of a certain spell or proc since it's now going to be integral to WHM's burst. This may not be possible to implement right now due to the existence of the two minute meta, but it would help if (knock on wood) PoM CD is still 120sec going into DT.

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It would need to be a separate action, I think. It's not a DOT in this example, just a burst of damage associated with Aero II and later Dia as well as PoM. I'd also have PoM be a 60 second cooldown that lasts 10 seconds. I didn't make this clear in the former post, but the [Insert Action Here] Is meant to be that new attack we see in the trailer.

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

It would need to be a separate action, I think. It's not a DOT in this example, just a burst of damage associated with Aero II and later Dia as well as PoM. I'd also have PoM be a 60 second cooldown that lasts 10 seconds. I didn't make this clear in the former post, but the [Insert Action Here] Is meant to be that new attack we see in the trailer.

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Ah, thanks for the clarification. Yeah, what you suggested sounds great.

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

With every expansion, HP values of enemies has to scale with the increase in potency per minute that each DPS and tank job is having added to their total outgoing damage. Because every expansion isn't just us getting stronger due to the stats gained over those 10 levels, it's also that we're pumping out a higher amount of damage relative to that new level. If HP values on enemies don't scale with this in mind, then content in this game would get shorter with every expansion as the damage output would get higher and higher. Thus, healers must have their damage increase as well, otherwise even just solo content gets slower and slower for healers every expansion.

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I've mentioned it before but I would really like for the effective-HP levels of enemies across the game to be brought more in line with one another. When I was first leveling up and working through the old content, the ARR & HW stuff crumpled in seconds before it could do anything, which is disappointing in its own right but also set incorrect expectations for later battles. I.e., when I got to ShB and EW everything took so much longer that the enemies felt like un-fun bullet sponges.

A middle ground would be nice.

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Originally Posted by vetch

I've mentioned it before but I would really like for the effective-HP levels of enemies across the game to be brought more in line with one another. When I was first leveling up and working through the old content, the ARR & HW stuff crumpled in seconds before it could do anything, which is disappointing in its own right but also set incorrect expectations for later battles. I.e., when I got to ShB and EW everything took so much longer that the enemies felt like un-fun bullet sponges.

A middle ground would be nice.

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That's a direct side effect from the drastic changes in ShB. Potency creep has been real when you think that the upper potency skills were around 300-400 back in HW, with many averaging at 150-200. Some outliers like effective potency F4 was over 500, or deathflare at 600 iirc. It's not the only reason obviously since stats, HP, everything has crept as well as a result, but that's why you see a huge difference once you're past SB. They also at some point nerfed ARR dungeon's trash HP by almost half somewhere during SB, because they were serious HP sponges before, so it kinda backfired.

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That's a direct side effect from the drastic changes in ShB. Potency creep has been real when you think that the upper potency skills were around 300-400 back in HW, with many averaging at 150-200. Some outliers like effective potency F4 was over 500, or deathflare at 600 iirc. It's not the only reason obviously since stats, HP, everything has crept as well as a result, but that's why you see a huge difference once you're past SB. They also at some point nerfed ARR dungeon's trash HP by almost half somewhere during SB, because they were serious HP sponges before, so it kinda backfired.

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I'm pretty sure Deathflare and Fire IV were lower back in HW, I vaguely remember that Fell Cleave was outrageous back then because the highest potency hit in the game belonged to a tank.

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Originally Posted by Aravell

I'm pretty sure Deathflare and Fire IV were lower back in HW, I vaguely remember that Fell Cleave was outrageous back then because the highest potency hit in the game belonged to a tank.

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Fell Cleave was the highest with 500, Deathflare was 400 and Fire IV was 280 (in reality it was more like ~530 potency with Astral Fire 3 and Enochian).

What needs to be kept in mind though is that 500 melee potency wasn't nearly as strong as 500 magic potency since they scaled differently until Endwalker.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Fell Cleave was the highest with 500, Deathflare was 400 and Fire IV was 280 (not taking Astral Fire or Enochian into account).

What needs to be kept in mind though is that 500 melee potency wasn't nearly as strong as 500 magic potency since they scaled differently until Endwalker.

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I am aware of scaling differences, tank potency is also lower than DPS jobs because of the lack of damage boosting traits.

That said, 500 potency was still a pretty outrageous number for the HW era.

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Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe

With the revelation of SE's plans for Healers come 7.0, I've taken to rewriting and reformatting some old ideas of mine, which I'll be posting in the Healer section... tomorrow probably. The reason for making said designs is partly for fun, but mainly to show that it's very possible to create an engaging Healer kit, that remains true to the Lore and Identity of the class, all while keeping the Job accessible to the less skilled/more laid back/casual/whatever term you want to use, player. That means things like 'having RNG on the Tarot inspired healer', which SE seems to want to move away from for some reason, and 'Having the healer who has a fairy, get fairy wings for their super-mode' instead of those tacky angel wings and that hideous white robe SE showed for SCH.

It's kind of surprising to me that I'm able to see a way to make a lore compliant, low skill floor high skill ceiling, design for the healers, but SE either can't, or refuses to due to it 'not matching their vision for the role'. But at this point, I can't even tell what their vision for the role even IS, outside of 'it is functional enough that it can fill the healer slot in a party, so that the DPS and Tank players can do the content'

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To follow up on this post, I have finished the colossal task of rewriting, reformatting and occasionally reworking the healer designs I've homebrewed while waiting for PFs. As previously mentioned, the main goal was:

A: Provide the potential for deeper and more complex gameplay for those that seek it
B: Keep the base healing kit readily accessible, for emergency situations (when the player is likely to be panicking most)
C: Keep the identity of the job intact, and reinforce the identity set out in the lore of the job through it's gameplay

Anyone interested in my take on the Healers can find them here (and if you do choose to read, thanks in advance):
WHM: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...93#post6463293
SCH: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...96#post6463296
AST: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...00#post6463300
SGE: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...06#post6463306

Yes, my image editing software of choice is Paint, and I am not an artist.

I find it very funny that the job action trailer shows glare twice for white mage. I get it for the new top down glare because of the 3 charges. But why show regular glare twice. It basically demands to make fun of it.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

I find it very funny that the job action trailer shows glare twice for white mage. I get it for the new top down glare because of the 3 charges. But why show regular glare twice. It basically demands to make fun of it.

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They love to show things that are just... yeh. Like Thin Air for WHM, every time. It's not like there wasn't other things they could have used in place of that second Glare, like casting a random Cure 3, or starting with one less Blood Lily bloom stage, and using a Solace on the tank after he gets hit by the 100ton swing attack, in order to bloom the Blood Lily, then using Misery later as they did

Bumping this thread.

Bringing this back up to the forefront.

It's going to be awkward if they buffed the GCD AoE heals on all of the healers but they still end up being totally unneeded with proper cooldown management.

I just can't help but be extremely dubious that any meaningful differences in core encounter design are coming despite claims they would be trying to make changes.

The only meaningful change on the GCD heal side is if seraphism buffs adlo (no reason to believe it won’t) and if the changes to e prognosis and ET even further increase the pure healing capacity of the shield healers

If they do double shields will likely be meta because divination doesn’t scale as hard as chain and AST was already barely holding onto its meta spot

I always been wondering, if healer's action kit in general is designed like DRK. It might actually pleases both side of healer group (Group more encounter design demand more healing from healer vs Group more DPS kit for healer)

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

Right now, DRK is the only class who some of their OGCD action that actually cost mana, with Edge and Flood of Shadow share hard-locked 0.3 OGCD with each other.

So, by designed Healer healing spell like DRK, it means that you can weave a Medica or Regen between GCD cast, but retain the original MP cost, and have Medica share the hard-locked 2.5 OCGD with Regen or Medica 2.

That way, healer that want focus on DPS might satisfied because they no longer have to sacrifice a GCD cast for a heal, and Healer that like the current healing kit might enjoy it as well due to the hard locked 2.5 OGCD of Regen/ Medica, means they have to plan their heals accordingly like they always do.

That way, it might cut some uncessary healing action bloat and allow for more interesting skill in place.

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Right now, DRK is the only class who some of their OGCD action that actually cost mana, with Edge and Flood of Shadow share hard-locked 0.3 OGCD with each other.

So, by designed Healer healing spell like DRK, it means that you can weave a Medica or Regen between GCD cast, but retain the original MP cost, and have Medica share the hard-locked 2.5 OCGD with Regen or Medica 2.

That way, healer that want focus on DPS might satisfied because they no longer have to sacrifice a GCD cast for a heal, and Healer that like the current healing kit might enjoy it as well due to the hard locked 2.5 OGCD of Regen/ Medica, means they have to plan their heals accordingly like they always do.

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On it's own, I'd consider that a strictly worse design that what we have now.

I don't want to increase the number of GCDs I can spend on dealing damage. I want to reduce the number of such GCDs, and to take what GCDs remain and split them up amongst more actions. Giving me more opportunities to press Glare solves nothing.

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Originally Posted by Zadood

I always been wondering, if healer's action kit in general is designed like DRK. It might actually pleases both side of healer group (Group more encounter design demand more healing from healer vs Group more DPS kit for healer)

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

Right now, DRK is the only class who some of their OGCD action that actually cost mana, with Edge and Flood of Shadow share hard-locked 0.3 OGCD with each other.

So, by designed Healer healing spell like DRK, it means that you can weave a Medica or Regen between GCD cast, but retain the original MP cost, and have Medica share the hard-locked 2.5 OCGD with Regen or Medica 2.

That way, healer that want focus on DPS might satisfied because they no longer have to sacrifice a GCD cast for a heal, and Healer that like the current healing kit might enjoy it as well due to the hard locked 2.5 OGCD of Regen/ Medica, means they have to plan their heals accordingly like they always do.

That way, it might cut some uncessary healing action bloat and allow for more interesting skill in place.

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We already rarely have to 'sacrifice' a GCD for healing in the vast majority of content.

The issue is that, atm, when we do not need to heal, there's basicly only 1 button filler spamm happening if we want to do something productive until the next bit of healing is needed.
Now, people are split on how to stop so so much time beign spend on that one button. With one part of the conversation asking for more need to use GCD heals, and the other side going 'if we had more downtime plates to spin, we'd have fun in all content, even with low out going dmg.'

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Originally Posted by Sani2341

We already rarely have to 'sacrifice' a GCD for healing in the vast majority of content.

The issue is that, atm, when we do not need to heal, there's basicly only 1 button filler spamm happening if we want to do something productive until the next bit of healing is needed.
Now, people are split on how to stop so so much time beign spend on that one button. With one part of the conversation asking for more need to use GCD heals, and the other side going 'if we had more downtime plates to spin, we'd have fun in all content, even with low out going dmg.'

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Aye, you raise a lot of accurate point.

Sigh... in the end, we are still back to the square one of "Encounter Design vs Class Design".

Now I realise that, the current healer kit is not part of the game's problem.
But rather, it's one of the symptoms of current FFXIV's bigger problems, "Encounter vs Class Design",
with other symptoms being boring gear progression, class homogenization, class simplification, overly reliance of reward to keep content relevant, raid parsing with 3rd party tool, boring dungeon, and etc etc.

Can't really solve healer issue, if CBU3 haven't found an idea what to do with current "Encounter vs Class Design" problem.

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Can't really solve healer issue, if CBU3 haven't found an idea what to do with current "Encounter vs Class Design" problem.

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The reason healers are the most affected by this is because fight design is heavily linked to healer gameplay.

If we look at modern fights, they're not really designed for a healer to do their main role of healing at all. Most of the mechanics nowadays has everyone doing the same dance steps and anyone falling over will reset the entire fight, that's very bad for the healer role for a few of reasons:

1) Healers have to have ample OGCDs or instant cast healing spells because they have to dance along with the party and can rarely just stand still and cast their GCD spells.
2) There's no opportunity for recovery, if someone messes up, the entire group wipes, there's no way for the recovery-minded healer to shine because everything is a body check and failing it is an instant irrecoverable wipe.
3) Because of the way fights are designed to only have short bursts of high damage, healers have even more downtime in modern fights and they actually end up having to heal less in modern fight design, which can cause some parties to drop one healer entirely or just do it without healers.

If they want to fix the healer role, the dev team really has to be more creative with healer-specific role mechanics in fights.

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Aye, you raise a lot of accurate point.

Sigh... in the end, we are still back to the square one of "Encounter Design vs Class Design".

Now I realise that, the current healer kit is not part of the game's problem.
But rather, it's one of the symptoms of current FFXIV's bigger problems, "Encounter vs Class Design",
with other symptoms being boring gear progression, class homogenization, class simplification, overly reliance of reward to keep content relevant, raid parsing with 3rd party tool, boring dungeon, and etc etc.

Can't really solve healer issue, if CBU3 haven't found an idea what to do with current "Encounter vs Class Design" problem.

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On the OGCD part, it would at the very least make a bit more sense if OGCD heals were what costed MP and GCD ones didn’t. Because GCD heals already have a cost—two costs generally: DPS and Mobilty.

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Aye, you raise a lot of accurate point.

Sigh... in the end, we are still back to the square one of "Encounter Design vs Class Design".

Now I realise that, the current healer kit is not part of the game's problem.
But rather, it's one of the symptoms of current FFXIV's bigger problems, "Encounter vs Class Design",
with other symptoms being boring gear progression, class homogenization, class simplification, overly reliance of reward to keep content relevant, raid parsing with 3rd party tool, boring dungeon, and etc etc.

Can't really solve healer issue, if CBU3 haven't found an idea what to do with current "Encounter vs Class Design" problem.

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IMO it's an issue of perception more than anything. If I'm a new player and i join a job-based game i would never expect 90% of the difficulty to come from the encounters. After all, what's the point of having one character that can play every job, but you flatten their identity so bad they feel the same (tanks and healers specifically)? It should never be encounter vs. class design, we had both in the past and it was called Stormblood. People can disagree on whether SE should focus on encounter/jobs, but the reality is that right now, encounter-focused design is poisoning the rest of the game. Level sync content? Your already lackluster kit is even thinner. Normal content? Almost 0 difficulty since the jobs are so easy. Nobody asked for this design direction. I didn't come to FFXIV to only play savage.

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that right now, encounter-focused design is poisoning the rest of the game. Level sync content? Your already lackluster kit is even thinner. Normal content? Almost 0 difficulty since the jobs are so easy.

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Yep, there is no defending "encounter design" when most of the game is casual content that is purposely made braindead easy. You know DT won't suddenly have a difficulty spike after 10 years of smoothing any minor inconvenience might come your way. I'm susprised ice sprites are still in Stone Vigil.

Indeed, I don't think they realized the humongous task ahead of them with trying to make all encounters more engaging when you realize how much there are. Following the trend in SHB, that's 12 dungeons and that would be 39 bosses and the respective mobs in all of them. Then we have the standard 12 raids, normal and savage. Then we have the 7 trials and then the 7 extreme trials as well. Then we have the alliance raids of 4 bosses each that's another 12 fights there too. Then we have either 1 or 2 ultimates. Then we have the miscellaneous content like variants or criterions and in that case that's another 7 fights as well at least one set, the 4 that are always in it and then the ones at the end of each path. That is a lot of encounters and they'd have to make sure that each one is fun according to their own statement.

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Indeed, I don't think they realized the humongous task ahead of them with trying to make all encounters more engaging when you realize how much there are. Following the trend in SHB, that's 12 dungeons and that would be 39 bosses and the respective mobs in all of them. Then we have the standard 12 raids, normal and savage. Then we have the 7 trials and then the 7 extreme trials as well. Then we have the alliance raids of 4 bosses each that's another 12 fights there too. Then we have either 1 or 2 ultimates. Then we have the miscellaneous content like variants or criterions and in that case that's another 7 fights as well at least one set, the 4 that are always in it and then the ones at the end of each path. That is a lot of encounters and they'd have to make sure that each one is fun according to their own statement.

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If their idea of "engaging content" remains as "Were going to shove so many body checks into this fight you wouldn't believe it!", then I wouldn't call that engaging, the more appropriate word would be frustrating.

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If their idea of "engaging content" remains as "Were going to shove so many body checks into this fight you wouldn't believe it!", then I wouldn't call that engaging, the more appropriate word would be frustrating.

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Also debuff salad, don't forget debuff salad.

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Also debuff salad, don't forget debuff salad.

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So sorry guys we can’t add back interesting DOT’s because too many debuffs

(Pls ignore the 8 deaths designs currently on the boss)

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IMO it's an issue of perception more than anything. If I'm a new player and i join a job-based game i would never expect 90% of the difficulty to come from the encounters. After all, what's the point of having one character that can play every job, but you flatten their identity so bad they feel the same (tanks and healers specifically)? It should never be encounter vs. class design, we had both in the past and it was called Stormblood. People can disagree on whether SE should focus on encounter/jobs, but the reality is that right now, encounter-focused design is poisoning the rest of the game. Level sync content? Your already lackluster kit is even thinner. Normal content? Almost 0 difficulty since the jobs are so easy. Nobody asked for this design direction. I didn't come to FFXIV to only play savage.

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A travesty that I couldn't like/upvote your post more than one lol. As this post gave a lot info I have been missing.

Now, that you mention it, a lot of difficulty in this game does really come from encounter side alone.

I used to felt somewhat disconnected when a lot raider claim raiding is like a dance, and raider even outright claims that some savage is braindead easy, and could finish it with eye closed, yet when I try, I actually legit struggle and can barely finish the said braindead easy savage raid, much less so in consistency way.

Now, I has some clarity about it after you mention it.
It seems that if a player trying to solve raid mechanic "reactively", player might actually sabotage themselves, while the raid veterans usually "intergrate" their job action as "part of the mechanic".

For example how GCDs skill can fit in after raid mechanic X and before raid mechanic Y, and what OGCD skiill is ready to use after mechanc Y is resolved, etc etc

Of course some Savage Raid is going to be braindead easy if players raid like playing a Rhythm games.

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If their idea of "engaging content" remains as "Were going to shove so many body checks into this fight you wouldn't believe it!", then I wouldn't call that engaging, the more appropriate word would be frustrating.

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They're all about erasing stress from every job slowly but surely, but when it comes to boss mechanics, they're more than happy to inject artificial stress, sometimes in very unintuitive ways that could be far more effectively accomplished in other ways.

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They're all about erasing stress from every job slowly but surely, but when it comes to boss mechanics, they're more than happy to inject artificial stress, sometimes in very unintuitive ways that could be far more effectively accomplished in other ways.

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I really don't get the argument about "erasing stress" that they make, it's not like a real job, you don't get fired for underperforming and you have infinite retries, what's there to stress about? I think it's weird if someone is so stressed about being able to perform optimally that they require every job to be optimal performance in 4 buttons.