Toggle Jump

I find it funny how people have such a hard time detecting sarcasm on the internet.

if that is sarcasm, it is among other inane ideas such as toggling jump, and the idea that the jump being added is a macro, which are apparently serious, so i apologize that it's hard to tell. furthermore, if you guys have been trolling me all along, please let me know so I can finally breathe a sigh of relief

I must say, I'm in total agreement with Zaaku. The major appeal of XIV is it's grounded and realistic style, from the armor design to character animations. XIV nailed a visual style sweet spot, where things look functional and plausible, but also aesthetically interesting. Not ridiculous female bikini armor with frivolous spikes and glowing appendages, but also not plain and boring cloth and chainmail. It's a style that I hope they keep going into 2.0, and I'd lose a lot of interest in XIV if it loses that aspect

Anyway, to the point, I don't mind jumping if it's tasteful, but I have a feeling it's going to clash with the rest of the game's aesthetics. And since it will have no use mechanically, all adding a jump feature serves to do is harm the overall game

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Originally Posted by Jynx

I find it funny how people have such a hard time detecting sarcasm on the internet.

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Sarcasm is mostly tone, and people read things in whatever tone they like. But. There are ways to manipulate that.

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Originally Posted by casker

Ultimately, what you need is a tool to traverse these retarded 1-foot walls and inclines, 1-foot walls which are only actually retarded NOT because they are small, but because you can't traverse them. JUMPING is the best and most cost effective tool to get rid of these stupid situations while salvaging a natural sense of geography.

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Alright. I can see where you are coming from. You don't want to be hindered by small obstacles yet at the same time don't want anything that is supposed to block your straight path to be obnoxiousness huge to get the point across that this is not to be walked through.

That last sentence is wrong however. An auto-bramble is the most effective and easiest to implement traversal mechanic. Purely from a technical stand point on behalf of those coding this mess. Not to mention the work load on the other departments of the Dev team who would be constructing the other elements free range jumping would require. Reworking of how models and armor interact. The landing animation, sound effects, collision detection and height clearances of objects in game world.

Having the animation and the act itself become automated preserves the (oh boy here we go) immersion of realism FFXIV has brought to the table with the down to Earth yet Fantastic world they've created. Has roots in nearly every Final Fantasy before it. On top of solving the problem of having small imperfections in the world exist and bring spirit to the surroundings without becoming a hassle for the movement of the players.

Personally I would prefer everything to remain as it is now without the vertical axis being explored but if we must have something this would be the best working model to get behind.

Heaven forbid some pixels on your screen move up and down.

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

Yes because filtering the animation is no big deal. The dev teams really has nothing better to do than to work on meaningless features for a minority of close minded people.

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They did just that to add a jump emote ....

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Originally Posted by KoujiGeki

well in defense of the display head off. I like to see my characters hair and face. and for the sake of ppls immersion that they claim, you dont see knights in town wearing their helmets all the time they do take them off while they leave their body armor on.

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So you could have just
/equip head
which would actually take off the helmet in town, I don't think that nights walked around with invisibutton helmets.

You can't argue for one toggle that serves no actual purpose but is just for aesthetics while knocking another that is the same thing. It's just arguing with yourself. If it's about immersion then shouldn't we have the toggle to ensure that all people are able to achieve equal immersion in the way they like. Not your way, since all things considered your way will not appeal to everyone, as mine won't.

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Originally Posted by Cendres

Because it's an unbiased view. Bros.

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It's also an uneducated one.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Any part of interacting with a game is considered gameplay.

I spam the quote because it seems like some people are having trouble reading or remembering it.

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It's not that they have an issue with reading or remembering. It's that they got what they were after now the idea that everyone won't have to see it disturbs them. It's the self centered nature of (fill in blank as you see fit) to believe that everyone should, nay, must accept everything the way they like it because other people just aren't as important as them.

On the note of jumping and or a jumpani toggle. Jumping is going to lead to headaches, I jumpclimbed everywhere I could even off maps in many games. MMOs don't need jumping they need to be designed without platform elements because they aren't platform games. I get that alot of people want to be able to jump, useful or not, and if they can great. I don't see why those same people take offense to the idea of people that don't want/care about jumping and would rather not see it. Oh wait I do understand I covered that just a second ago.

FFS jump fans look at what your saying here, "Gimme jump gimme jump gimme jump, ok fuck everyone else move on to my next gimme gimme gimme."

Before the "Suck it up or quit" BS that i'm sure is coming. Point it back at yourself. If I need to quit your game now, you should have quit mine on day one then this whole discussion would be moot. Wait I forgot we're all players. Imagine we all wanted people to enjoy this game, wow what a truly novel idea.

As a side note, I look forward to making my first "Shit I'm stuck in this cliff I was trying to climb." GM call. Not to mention the "Up a tree" people, we all know it'll happen if they make jump functional withing the environment and not just an emote. Wonder if we'll be able to slip up ontop of the sky and walk everywhere out of aggro range of mobs.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I find the anti jump people really childish. I mean really your going to rage on the forum about them adding a new feature to the game? I find its the same group of people that rage over any new addition to the game that wasn't in FFXI, be in content finder, new instances, hamlets not being like besieged what have you. If it was up to you guys there would be no new features in the game.

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The only people raging are those like you that are only for a choice until you don't like it.

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Some people should just get over themselves and grow up and stop whining about every little new addition to FFXIV. All this rage from some people about having a simple jump feature is just ridiculous.

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Again, the only people raging in this thread are those like yourself that are adamantly against the choice of being able to toggle jump on and off.

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I don't see any other game community continue complain about having a jump feature, for example go check out Swtor or Aion, or WoW forums I bet you can't find a single topic complaining how there is jumping in those games.

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I don't remember caring about such awful games.

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Originally Posted by Astorlok

I'm just not sure why this is even a big deal. There are a ton of things that could use attention in FFXIV right now and you chose this to focus on? Seriously, it's like hopping on the short bus to ride it to school, then complaining the bus is full of retards.

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Then why do you make it such a big deal by opposing it? If it's not a big deal, then don't waste your time opposing it. My being able to toggle jump is not going to hurt you, period.

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Originally Posted by BenBucket

Heaven forbid some pixels on your screen move up and down.

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Heaven forbid that I be able to have an option that won't effect you.

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Originally Posted by Enfarious

They did just that to add a jump emote ....



So you could have just
/equip head
which would actually take off the helmet in town, I don't think that nights walked around with invisibutton helmets.

You can't argue for one toggle that serves no actual purpose but is just for aesthetics while knocking another that is the same thing. It's just arguing with yourself. If it's about immersion then shouldn't we have the toggle to ensure that all people are able to achieve equal immersion in the way they like. Not your way, since all things considered your way will not appeal to everyone, as mine won't.



It's also an uneducated one.




It's not that they have an issue with reading or remembering. It's that they got what they were after now the idea that everyone won't have to see it disturbs them. It's the self centered nature of (fill in blank as you see fit) to believe that everyone should, nay, must accept everything the way they like it because other people just aren't as important as them.

On the note of jumping and or a jumpani toggle. Jumping is going to lead to headaches, I jumpclimbed everywhere I could even off maps in many games. MMOs don't need jumping they need to be designed without platform elements because they aren't platform games. I get that alot of people want to be able to jump, useful or not, and if they can great. I don't see why those same people take offense to the idea of people that don't want/care about jumping and would rather not see it. Oh wait I do understand I covered that just a second ago.

FFS jump fans look at what your saying here, "Gimme jump gimme jump gimme jump, ok fuck everyone else move on to my next gimme gimme gimme."

Before the "Suck it up or quit" BS that i'm sure is coming. Point it back at yourself. If I need to quit your game now, you should have quit mine on day one then this whole discussion would be moot. Wait I forgot we're all players. Imagine we all wanted people to enjoy this game, wow what a truly novel idea.

As a side note, I look forward to making my first "Shit I'm stuck in this cliff I was trying to climb." GM call. Not to mention the "Up a tree" people, we all know it'll happen if they make jump functional withing the environment and not just an emote. Wonder if we'll be able to slip up ontop of the sky and walk everywhere out of aggro range of mobs.

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Thank you Enfarious.

Uneducated..... /knee slap. lolololol. Just keeps getting more priceless. My last post here I promise. lol.

Perhaps I just really don't understand humans sometimes..

People fought for a feature and they got it.
Other people don't like said feature and are asking for an option to not see/use it.. Something that would not hurt or bother the first party.
BOTH groups would be happy.
But the group who got what they wanted has to come and bully the group who doesn't want.
"No, you should be forced to see this just because!"
"We have what we want~ We win~ You can't have what you want too! Or else we wouldn't be winners!"
"The Dev team is only allowed to spend time making US 'useless' features."
"Stop whining. All you do is complaaaain."
Going so far as saying people who merely dislike something are "raging" and "bitching.."

Why all the hate and immaturity?
Are there really more people who would rather fight and bully each other than compromise, work together, and be peaceful with each other? Is it not better to have everyone happy? Does that not make a better community?

What a sad world we live in.

This thread is seriously vying for the stupidest thread anywhere. I'd say it's beating the "Regional servers" thread pretty well right now, but who knows what the future will bring!

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Originally Posted by Gramul

I know enough about general game design to know that based on what I have been told, it's likley that it's going to be an animation. If you've read this thread, you'd understand that I'm totally in support of clarification and if jumping involves working with the environment, then I'd think a toggle would be pointless.

And you don't have to justify posting in this thread for me. I'm not that kinda guy.

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yeah... Because history hasnt taught us over and over again that taking everything literally from a translated post/interview is not always the best thing. Until a dev post comes out actually stating its an emote then I think most of us are gonna side with it being an actual jump, even the screen shot suggests that it is. Even the fact that the space bar is used to do it suggests that it is. Because if it was an emote it would be /jump

So I have a question. It's seems that people that want jump are mad because some people that don't want to SEE it want a toggle. From what I have seen no one is asking them to not add jump. All they are asking for is a filter for it. So why is this a bad thing?

You guys are so busy arguing over something that would be for the individual player. It won't effect having your jump and you would be allowed to see it all you want.

With that said I would like to also say that I am NOT against the jumping but having the option to turn it on or off as I would like I am all for. :)

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Originally Posted by Kindra

So I have a question. It's seems that people that want jump are mad because some people that don't want to SEE it want a toggle. From what I have seen no one is asking them to not add jump. All they are asking for is a filter for it. So why is this a bad thing?

You guys are so busy arguing over something that would be for the individual player. It won't effect having your jump and you would be allowed to see it all you want.

With that said I would like to also say that I am NOT against the jumping but having the option to turn it on or off as I would like I am all for. :)

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because if its not just an emote its a stupid idea, plain and simple. If it is indeed just an emote then more power to ya.

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Originally Posted by Krausus

yeah... Because history hasnt taught us over and over again that taking everything literally from a translated post/interview is not always the best thing. Until a dev post comes out actually stating its an emote then I think most of us are gonna side with it being an actual jump, even the screen shot suggests that it is. Even the fact that the space bar is used to do it suggests that it is. Because if it was an emote it would be /jump

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Most of the time, the quotes and translations are in fact correct, but I wouldn't mind if this one was wrong. I hope it turns out to be more than an action emote made to shut up the people that wanted it. The screenshot means nothing to me, that cliff is no bigger than the ones in the world we have now, and those we can just walk off. Under the situation as I understand it, they have no plans to implement it and the world is not designed with it in mind. Based on that, I see no reason not to have a toggle for it (and honestly even other emotes), and I don't understand why some people are so upset with the idea.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Most of the time, the quotes and translations are in fact correct, but I wouldn't mind if this one was wrong. I hope it turns out to be more than an action emote made to shut up the people that wanted it. The screenshot means nothing to me, that cliff is no bigger than the ones in the world we have now, and those we can just walk off. Under the situation as I understand it, they have no plans to implement it and the world is not designed with it in mind. Based on that, I see no reason not to have a toggle for it (and honestly even other emotes), and I don't understand why some people are so upset with the idea.

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if its just an emote then SE added one of the worst trolling tools ever lol, I really hope they thought of that.

Dude... OP made a simple suggestion that wouldnt hurt the jump lovers and spammers, its simply for ppl that arent realy fond with, we can filter alot of stuff, why not jump?
Simple thread into a clusterfck...

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Originally Posted by TidBones

Dude... OP made a simple suggestion that wouldnt hurt the jump lovers and spammers, its simply for ppl that arent realy fond with, we can filter alot of stuff, why not jump?
Simple thread into a clusterfck...

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gotta love all the armchair developers in this thread, not so simple unless its just an emote.

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Originally Posted by TidBones

Dude... OP made a simple suggestion that wouldnt hurt the jump lovers and spammers, its simply for ppl that arent realy fond with, we can filter alot of stuff, why not jump?
Simple thread into a clusterfck...

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It does hurt them. They want jump they want to enjoy it and they want others to see them enjoying it. For a community that loves to throw around "GIVE US OPTIONS! GIVE US CHOICES!" a lot of people sure are hypocrites lol.

It's funny too..

"How does me jumping hurt you or your gameplay?"

Likewise, how does someone filtering the animation hurts you or your gameplay? This is the only reason it's an issue at all, because people hate letting others have options when it's against something they like. This is why threads like this turns into a clusterfuck lol.

Person who doesn't want to see it as a choice: "Can I have jump filter?"
Person who wants jump: "NO GTFO CLOSED MINDED PEON."
Person 1: "Why..? It doesn't affect you..."
Person 2: "YES IT DOES BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH I WANTED THE CHOICE TO JUMP ILL BE DAMNED IF SE LETS YOU HAVE A CHOICE NOT TO SEE ME JUMP!"

Then cue the thread clusterfuck of "no you'.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

It does hurt them. They want jump they want to enjoy it and they want others to see them enjoying it. For a community that loves to throw around "GIVE US OPTIONS! GIVE US CHOICES!" a lot of people sure are hypocrites lol.

It's funny too..

"How does me jumping hurt you or your gameplay?"

Likewise, how does someone filtering the animation hurts you or your gameplay? This is the only reason it's an issue at all, because people hate letting others have options when it's against something they like. This is why threads like this turns into a clusterfuck lol.

Person who doesn't want to see it as a choice: "Can I have jump filter?"
Person who wants jump: "NO GTFO CLOSED MINDED PAEON."
Person 1: "Why..? It doesn't affect you..."
Person 2: "YES IT DOES BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH I WANTED THE CHOICE TO JUMP ILL BE DAMNED IF SE LETS YOU HAVE A CHOICE NOT TO SEE ME JUMP!"

Then cue the thread clusterfuck of "no you'.

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yes because everyone only falls into those 2 categories /eyeroll

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Originally Posted by Krausus

yes because everyone only falls into those 2 categories /eyeroll

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Read this thread..it's basically only 2 categories. The "third" category is the ones who says it will be a "waste of resources" even though only SE knows what is and isn't a waste.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Read this thread..it's basically only 2 categories. The "third" category is the ones who says it will be a "waste of resources" even though only SE knows what is and isn't a waste.

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to be honest most of the no you comments have been from you and Omni going at each other

Jesus christ why does a stupid topic like this have 341 replies?

Honestly- is this really THAT big of a deal? Can't we just wait for it to come out and see what happens before begging for options that may or may not be necessary?

Lol, the same people who begged SE to not add in a completely voluntary command (jump) are the ones who are now wondering why the shoe is on the other foot.

Sweet, sweet irony.

Just wanted to point this out. <3

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Originally Posted by Nikita

Lol, the same people who begged SE to not add in a completely voluntary command (jump) are the ones who are now wondering why the shoe is on the other foot.

Sweet, sweet irony.

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The irony is, most people who begged SE for a jump are the ones who wanted a useful jump and are pissed that some people want an option to filter out the animation as it serves no purpose, as in they're pissed someone wants an option for themselves.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

The irony is, most people who begged SE for a jump are the ones who wanted a useful jump and are pissed that some people want an option to filter out the animation as it serves no purpose, as in they're pissed someone wants an option for themselves.

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and those that want the animation filtered out incorrectly think its something easy to add. BTW only people pissed in this thread are the ones that want the filter, you can try and say it the other way around all you want but people are not stupid enough just to take your word for it.

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Originally Posted by Keres

An easier solution would be "deal with it," IMO.

There are lots of ways people can break your immersionz aside from jumping. Do you want SE to set up filters to hide people who run around in circles or use auto-follow too?

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A feature to hide botters! They ruin my immersion!

>Suddently, Ul'dah is empty.

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Originally Posted by Krausus

and those that want the animation filtered out incorrectly think its something easy to add. BTW only people pissed in this thread are the ones that want the filter, you can try and say it the other way around all you want but people are not stupid enough just to take your word for it.

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Animation filters are easy to do, even junkshop MMOs have animation filters...you know, those MMOs that get mass produced out of the blue? Considering you're in the camp of not having a filter, of course you'll say it's only the people who want it that are pissed.

Seriously look at this topic, people are pissed that someone wants an option, deny it all you want though.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

The irony is, most people who begged SE for a jump are the ones who wanted a useful jump and are pissed that some people want an option to filter out the animation as it serves no purpose, as in they're pissed someone wants an option for themselves.

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As many have said, the true mechanics of jump are rather unclear. We will get an answer sooner or later.

Either way, this is quite funny.

Ppl are pissed cuz the jump lovers want the others that dont really like it, have it shoved up their... and dont want them to be able to enjoy the game their way.

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Originally Posted by Nikita

As many have said, the true mechanics of jump are rather unclear. We will get an answer sooner or later.

Either way, this is quite funny.

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It all lies in if Yoshida considers jumping up/down cliffs as a gameplay element or not lol.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Animation filters are easy to do, even junkshop MMOs have animation filters...you know, those MMOs that get mass produced out of the blue? Considering you're in the camp of not having a filter, of course you'll say it's only the people who want it that are pissed.

Seriously look at this topic, people are pissed that someone wants an option, deny it all you want though.

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if its just an emote then I agree it would be easy to filter, but all evidence points to it not just being an emote. I keep hearing about all these supposed games that filtering animations yet not one game is actually mentioned.

and Im sorry I guess we dont agree on what "pissed" actually is, the only two people in this thread that remotely reflected being pissed was you and Omni and that was at each other.

edit: I guess TidBones seems a bit pissed, oh he is on your side lulz

Based on the examples given I treated it as no combat application- not necessarily no other application.

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Animation filters are easy to do, even junkshop MMOs have animation filters.

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It's not just an animation. You need to ignore the fact that the player is *IN THE AIR*. In other words, you need the server or your client to lie about the player's location.

Anyway, one thing i'm really tired of is the argument of how easy or hard something is to implement. Unless you've made your own game yourself and you've done these things yourself, you can not comment on how hard or easy <insert feature here> is to implement.

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Originally Posted by Krausus

BTW only people pissed in this thread are the ones that want the filter, you can try and say it the other way around all you want but people are not stupid enough just to take your word for it.

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*Isn't pissed at all* O.o
I don't see how being angry is a requirement for asking for an option. D:
Most of the people in this thread asking for the filter seem pretty damn calm to me. Not angry at all. No one demanding anything. Simply.. asking.

But oh, of course, wanting anything in a game must mean you're absolutely furious and raging! lol ;3

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Originally Posted by Dragon

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Thank you Enfarious.

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Happy to be of service.

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Originally Posted by Nabiri

*Isn't pissed at all* O.o
I don't see how being angry is a requirement for asking for an option. D:
Most of the people in this thread asking for the filter seem pretty damn calm to me. Not angry at all. No one demanding anything. Simply.. asking.

But oh, of course, wanting anything in a game must mean you're absolutely furious and raging! lol ;3

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Sorry didn't mean to imply that all that want it are pissed, myself I say sure if its an emote then again if its just an emote then I dont even want it. If its not just an emote then I dont even think it would be possible to hide it. The only thing I think SE could do is make blacklisted characters not show on your screen, so if someone is bunny hopping all around you just to piss you off you can blist them and not have to worry about it.

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Originally Posted by Nabiri

Perhaps I just really don't understand humans sometimes..

People fought for a feature and they got it.
Other people don't like said feature and are asking for an option to not see/use it.. Something that would not hurt or bother the first party.
BOTH groups would be happy.
But the group who got what they wanted has to come and bully the group who doesn't want.
"No, you should be forced to see this just because!"
"We have what we want~ We win~ You can't have what you want too! Or else we wouldn't be winners!"
"The Dev team is only allowed to spend time making US 'useless' features."
"Stop whining. All you do is complaaaain."
Going so far as saying people who merely dislike something are "raging" and "bitching.."

Why all the hate and immaturity?
Are there really more people who would rather fight and bully each other than compromise, work together, and be peaceful with each other? Is it not better to have everyone happy? Does that not make a better community?

What a sad world we live in.

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I share your pain, I'll never fathom why people can't just be happy they got what they wanted or get to do what they want but will start a fight if someone else asks for something that at the end of the day the first group wouldn't even know whether or not it's being used.

There's no logical argument against this being toggleable(that's not a real word but hey), what's more is that virtually every thread takes this kind of tone. Group A asks for something, then group B not just voicing opinion in a friendly debate attacks the question, never considering how it will or won't impact them if the things asked for where to be brought into existence. Rarely providing any useful feedback just going on this super defensive that I often wonder if they even know what/why they are defending the thing or if it's just for the sake of ranting like rabid jackals attacking everything that isn't their own tail.

It's all speculation till a rep/dev comes in and says something. If it's just an emote then why not let them filter it? Even if it can be used to traverse the terrain... who cares? If they want to see people sliding up and down cliffs let them. If it's not doable then they can deal with it, but in the end that's a call the devs will make.

I'm pro jump, that's my opinion, but I don't really care if a filter is put in place for those who hate it. It's a fair compromise. It doesn't ruin my ability to jump / see other people jump so why should I give a crap if someone else can't see it.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Based on the examples given I treated it as no combat application- not necessarily no other application.

It's not just an animation. You need to ignore the fact that the player is *IN THE AIR*. In other words, you need the server or your client to lie about the player's location.

Anyway, one thing i'm really tired of is the argument of how easy or hard something is to implement. Unless you've made your own game yourself and you've done these things yourself, you can not comment on how hard or easy <insert feature here> is to implement.

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If it's implemented "Just for the people that want to jump." and "Will have no application in game play." then there's no reason your character would actually be leaving the ground at which point well we've already got that emote now it'll just be on a button.

I don't remember what the OP said as to "IF" it is implemented with function and I'm not going to read it, I know that I said if it's a functional jump then by all means make me watch it. I'm going to now change that slightly, let me filter jumping in towns where the only practical application is none. Unless we're talking about glitch hunting and then well idc if you found your way into the wall.


On another note, dude when are you on, I haven't seen you more than 4 mins since the day we exchanged shells.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Jesus christ why does a stupid topic like this have 341 replies?

Honestly- is this really THAT big of a deal? Can't we just wait for it to come out and see what happens before begging for options that may or may not be necessary?

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Have you been absent from class for the past 3 years? Jumping is one of the biggest issues the community has on its mind. It represents a massive shift in gameplay and weight the world has had since its inception. It is like adding Submarines and low orbit weather ballooning into the game. It is that much of a shift.