[Critical] Male Viera height slider; tall option. Show your support.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I'm more concerned with how customizable they will be, and further support for viera (both male and female).

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This is my concern as well. If it doesn't bode well for male and female viera, it doesn't bode well for male/female hrothgar either.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's what some people are pushing for. I suppose it was wrong of me to assume you were aware of that, though - I did as much because you were a frequent participant in the very same debates over in the main thread devoted to the topic of male viera. Though naturally things can slip one's mind which is perfectly understandable.

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But....how does being shorter then the females mean they are childlike?...
We're on the subject of Height here my-man, not aesthetics.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

But....how does being shorter then the females mean they are childlike?...
We're on the subject of Height here my-man, not aesthetics.

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Fully agreed. And short does not translate into "not handsome."

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Besides the lore they’ve already established and Yoshi P already confirming their height range?

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Even if the min/max height of male viera was a few centimeters shorter than the females, they would still be tall. This doesn't break lore. And while the model is completed and the height has been set already by the graphics team, none of us know what it is. They could be a little shorter than the females, maybe not. It's fine either way.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

But....how does being shorter then the females mean they are childlike?...
We're on the subject of Height here my-man, not aesthetics.

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Also agree with this.

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Originally Posted by Sophie_Lo

Fully agreed. And short does not translate into "not handsome."

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And this.

Female Viera are short when placed on the male side of height chart.
Male Viera is a male, we want him to be able to reach the tall side of the male spectrum. As well as the average/short side of the spectrum.

Female Viera on the male side falls on the short side.
https://i.imgur.com/TVr9Hvq.png

Male Viera being tall has nothing to do with female Viera, it has everything to do with the tall options we have in the game.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

Female Viera are short when placed on the male side of height chart.
Male Viera is a male, we want him to be able to reach the tall side of the male spectrum. As well as the average/short side of the spectrum.

Female Viera on the male side falls on the short side.
https://i.imgur.com/TVr9Hvq.png

Male Viera being tall has nothing to do with female Viera, it has everything to do with the tall options we have in the game.

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Since when was 6ft Average Height?
Who is gonna take this picture seriously? The Average Height is about 5'5 or maybe 5'9. Or is this the Average Height in Eorzea?
Also, that picture of the Veria is smooshed in, it can obscure what the height truly is.

Female Au Ra set a bad precedent for dimorphism I guess. :p

Male Viera garnered a lot of different ideas on how they should be since they were a blank slate that had never been shown. Now that they have been shown, however, we see a race that's pretty lithe and of average height. As a midlander player, it looks like the ones in the video stand about a head taller than a midlander - basically the same height as female Viera.

I think how average they are is already the compromise, and I don't think male Viera should be a gender of Frankenstein sliders to try to appeal to every camp. There are so many tall options already and male Viera fits nicely in the 6ft range without overtaking Elezen.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Since when was 6ft Average Height?
Who is gonna take this picture seriously? The Average Height is about 5'5 or maybe 5'9. Or is this the Average Height in Eorzea?
Also, that picture of the Veria is smooshed in, it can obscure what the height truly is.

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Average height in real life does not translate the average height in FFXIV. If your height stance has to do with real life then you're on a slippery slope where I would then use the scientific fact that most real life males are taller than their female counterparts no matter the race, on average, so that should be reflected here as well.
female Viera
https://i.imgur.com/gCx32rK.png

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Originally Posted by Senn

Even if the min/max height of male viera was a few centimeters shorter than the females, they would still be tall. This doesn't break lore. And while the model is completed and the height has been set already by the graphics team, none of us know what it is. They could be a little shorter than the females, maybe not. It's fine either way.

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I don’t really care either way, but regarding the lore, they state that the females and males aren’t discernible from each other until the males hit puberty and have their growth spurt, which common knowledge should be they get taller than the females. This ties into what Yoshi P himself says about them being equated to Male Elezen. There’s a lot more going for them being taller than the females than there is them being shorter is all i’m saying. It seems like a lot of people’s arguments here for them being shorter is just their weird headcanon.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

Average height in real life does not translate the average height in FFXIV. If your height stance has to do with real life then you're on a slippery slope where I would then use the scientific fact that most real life males are taller than their female counterparts no matter the race, on average, so that should be reflected here as well.
female Viera
https://i.imgur.com/gCx32rK.png

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So you're saying the Average Height in Eorzea is 6ft? Which answers that specific question I asked in my last post.
Is this based on something? Or is this just what you believe?

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

It seems like a lot of people’s arguments here for them being shorter is just their weird headcanon.

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Speaking for Myself, Im just asking Why can't they be shorter then the Females?
It seems the rebuttals are mostly "I dont like it" or "It makes them Niche" and still the question is...why is that a bad thing?
If you dont like it fine, but it sounds like more there is an actual issue with it like it kills Male Viera.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

they state that the females and males aren’t discernible from each other until the males hit puberty and have their growth spurt which common knowledge should be they get taller than the females

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Not necessarily. It could be the opposite; maybe it's natural for female viera to be taller than the males, and that's how they tell the difference after puberty. Or the fact that female viera's secondary sex characteristics become more prominent, so that's how they differentiate.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

So you're saying the Average Height in Eorzea is 6ft? Which answers that specific question I asked in my last post.
Is this based on something? Or is this just what you believe?



Speaking for Myself, Im just asking Why can't they be shorter then the Females?
It seems the rebuttals are mostly "I dont like it" or "It makes them Niche" and still the question is...why is that a bad thing?
If you dont like it fine, but it sounds like more there is an actual issue with it like it kills Male Viera.

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Probably because taller just seems to be more popular and less varied. Personally i’d their sliders were varied like femroe i would play a shorter one for sure, but i don’t think that should come at the expense of them not being taller than the females. Being taller seems to be more popular, and i mean, they already cater to a lot of female things(hairstyles come to mind) so i don’t see why we can’t just have this one thing and not have it be niche like everything else.

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Originally Posted by Sophie_Lo

*huffs and pouts* Well yeaaaaahhh...

But I don't like the Hrothgar that much. XD

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LOL I don't like Hrothgar either. Hence why we both feel so strongly. Seems we're both invested in this race.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Why cant it be Male Viera?
Female Hrothgar could do it to,but why not Male Viera?

Is there any reason Female Viera cant be taller then the Males?

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There's no reason for either side, to be honest.

There's no reason to make male Viera short, or tall for that matter.

The thing is, it's all a matter of personal opinion.

You want male Viera to be shorter so that there can be a race where the females are taller and that would be new and interesting.

I, as well as other tall male players, want to be able to play a tall male race that is conventionally handsome and isn't overly bestial or bulky like Hrothgar or Roegadyn.

We argue over whose reason is better justified, but the truth is, neither one is.

We come up with reasons and evidence, but all of that is argued too. We can't even agree on whether male Midlanders are average height or not.

Arguing about it and trying to change each other's minds is pointless. We're literally going in circles.

And it's useless because the race has already been made. The devs made male Viera as they saw fit, and it is their vision that we have to trust.

I've already accepted male Viera for whatever height they'll turn out to be. I'm glad they're being made.

Deep down, I know they're not gonna be short as Miqo'te. I also know there's a good chance they might end up as the exact same height as female Viera.

But either way, I realized that I should be content in the fact that XIV has made Final Fantasy history in being the first game to have male Viera.

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Originally Posted by Hunky

The devs made male Viera as they saw fit, and it is their vision that we have to trust.

I've already accepted male Viera for whatever height they'll turn out to be. I'm glad they're being made.

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Agreeing with this sentiment.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Probably because taller just seems to be more popular and less varied. Personally i’d their sliders were varied like femroe i would play a shorter one for sure, but i don’t think that should come at the expense of them not being taller than the females. Being taller seems to be more popular, and i mean, they already cater to a lot of female things(hairstyles come to mind) so i don’t see why we can’t just have this one thing and not have it be niche like everything else.

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Viera are already Niche by concept alone, that doesnt stop them from being #3 from what I hear, why would males being shorter then females effect that?
The Male Viera being smaller then the Females wouldn't make them Niche, that doesn't really make sense.

But hey, I highly doubt this thread is gonna get some new slider, the designers already made the Model, they made the available customization, and they fit thousands of gear to it. They made the Gender of the Race how they envisioned and decided on.

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Originally Posted by Senn

Agreeing with this sentiment.

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Ill 2nd this.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

So you're saying the Average Height in Eorzea is 6ft? Which answers that specific question I asked in my last post.
Is this based on something? Or is this just what you believe?

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The average gets skewed because of Lalafel. But this is not about the average, this is about the tall and the short side of the spectrum. The topic at hand is providing a height slider that is similar to female Roegadyn's which would cover the tall side of the male height options. So that we have a tall option that isn't world of warcraft (roe, hrothgar, au ra).

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Speaking for Myself, Im just asking Why can't they be shorter then the Females?
It seems the rebuttals are mostly "I dont like it" or "It makes them Niche" and still the question is...why is that a bad thing?
If you dont like it fine, but it sounds like more there is an actual issue with it like it kills Male Viera.

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This is not about female Viera; and the lore excuse was what many used to rationalize why male Viera shouldn't be included.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

the designers already made the Model, they made the available customization, and they fit thousands of gear to it. They made the Gender of the Race how they envisioned and decided on.



Ill 2nd this.

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With 6 months to go and no benchmark I'd argue they're far from done.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

The average gets skewed because of Lalafel. But this is not about the average, this is about the tall and the short side of the spectrum. The topic at hand is providing a height slider that is similar to female Roegadyn's which would cover the tall side of the male height options. So that we have a tall option that isn't world of warcraft (roe, hrothgar, au ra).

With 6 months to go and no benchmark I'd argue they're far from done.

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Your topic isn't difficult to understand (Although placing "Critical" in your title is...weird.)
But, the devs & designers already made them, so they will have what they have. Changing it after completion is a waste of time honestly. Those 6 months are better spent doing touchups to make sure the model That Is Complete will render and function Globally on the servers, look its best, and even dare I say...could be spent making hairstyles and/or hats more accessible and available. Not to mention that Benchmark.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

This is not about female Viera; and the lore excuse was what many used to rationalize why male Viera shouldn't be included.

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Lore isn't remotely part of the conversation. The conversation is about Height.
And all I asked, is "Why Can't Male Viera be Smaller then Female Viera?"

If they are around the height of female viera (a tiny littler smaller, same height or a tiny little higher) i‘d be pretty smitten with them!!

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Lore isn't remotely part of the conversation. The conversation is about Height.
And all I asked, is "Why Can't Male Viera be Smaller then Female Viera?"

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Well i‘ve read some comments before and some people in general wish the males to be between au ra and elezen meaning among the taller races. female viera are not as tall as these two male races - that‘s why many want the males to be taller, not because some sort of complex. (regarless of female viera)
i guess it‘s the same reason some would suggest hrothgar to be the race with the opposite dimorphism, since m. hrothgar are already tall.

personally i wouldn‘t like it if they were miqo‘te height or how many on twitter suggest even smaller than miqo‘te min height. ideally for me i‘d wish them to be around the same height as the females, and it seems to be the case which makes me happy! but in the end it‘s just my opinion and nothing is confirmed for sure!

Bless the small handfull of folks in here that understand how pipelines work.


This thread is unfortunately too late for OP...and really anyone that has a preference one way or another. The devs decided the set max/min height before they made 3D models. They've also decided skin tone ranges, if moles/scars/beards are available, the hairstyles males will get, etc. If you want to make a case for tall vs. small you're better off petitioning for fem hroths and thats assuming they haven't already decided on a concept.

I like how people pretend to know the dev's pipelines and iteration procedures.

1. No one knows their current pipeline as far as new race creation goes
2. They decided the look; but you cannot say more than that, no one here works at square enix, and no benchmark has been released. Morever, height slider does not affect asset creation (hair, scars, skin color, gear, 3D modifications). The only thing the height slider effects is how tall they will be during character creation. It's actually just setting a max/min within their code or game engine.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Lore isn't remotely part of the conversation. The conversation is about Height.
And all I asked, is "Why Can't Male Viera be Smaller then Female Viera?"

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You know that's not what this thread is about, it's not about male Viera being shorter or taller than female Viera. The problem with those that want female Viera to be taller is that female Viera is in the live servers.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

I like how people pretend to know the dev's pipelines and iteration procedures.

1. No one knows their pipeline
2. They decided the look; but you cannot say more than that, no one here works at square enix, and no benchmark has been released. Morever, height slider does not affect asset creation (hair, scars, skin color, gear, 3D modifications). The only thing the height slider effects is how tall they will be during character creation. It's actually just setting a max/min within their code/or engine.

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fixing things that aren't broken is a waste of time when we're 6 months out of launch and approx 5ish months from benchmark. there is no reason to potentially cause issues a la hand/feet placement clipping on mounts over a lone thread on the OF being upset at the potential (potential!) of males not being X height. they have already decided on bun boys height. you might like it. you might not. its already been decided one way or another. neither you nor I nor any other forum poster will be changing whatever numbers they picked.

for what its worth, I think its safe to say they're tall based on their height in comparison to the bridge rails in orbonne. you can count the tiles on the floor to try to line up a character to recreate the shot from the preview.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

I like how people pretend to know the dev's pipelines and iteration procedures.
Morever, height slider does not affect asset creation (hair, scars, skin color, gear, 3D modifications). The only thing the height slider effects is how tall they will be during character creation. It's actually just setting a max/min within their code/or engine.

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You are aware that making your character taller also effects the Models mass size, correct?
Everything is already set and adjusted, we just dont know the specific measurements. Your asking for them to make the Viera Taller by giving them a FemRose slider (Which that makes no sense) and if they were to give you what you want, then they would need to readjust assets again. Because, I play a FemRoe, I can tell you that the model is pretty big and tall compared to other races, so things would need to be changed and adjusted again. This would be Wasting time that could be spent on better things that actually matter.
The Viera are already made, they will be as tall as the Devs Designed them to be.
Standby for the benchmark so you can make your characters and see what the CC offers ahead of time.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

You know that's not what this thread is about, it's not about male Viera being shorter or taller than female Viera.

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Great observation, but you seem to miss that its a simple question.

The thing with arguing "average height" is that the taller end of that height range is occupied (and thus the average height pushed up) by races who do not have human proportions because being a human at that height and normal proportions looks strange.

I had the thought to browse through the Wikipedia list of tallest people and for the ones that had photos, they fall into two groups: people who are just proportionally big and really do look like they're at the wrong scale to the people next to them, and people who are built like Elezen with overlong spindly limbs and a normal-sized head. (Bonus outlier: nowhere near the tallest, but one guy genuinely built like a Roegadyn and about the max height for them too.)

Granted, all the record breakers on the list are well above even Roegadyn height but it's clear there's a point where humans stop looking like tall humans and start looking like something isn't quite right. I don't know where that point is, but you can't just make the character taller without consequence.

Humans are still the mental reference point for us. Highlanders are objectively tall by human standards even though they're short relative to the inhumanly tall races.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

I like how people pretend to know the dev's pipelines and iteration procedures.

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Got to love how the Op comes up with an idea and expects the developers to jump to attention. They're already set the race and it's attributes. They have more than enough on their plate at the moment then to hold an emergency meeting to deal with your request.

Personally I'd like the race to be within a defined height range like other races and don't like the idea of your slider. I fully expect them to be taller than male cats and similar in height to the females but they will be what they will be at this point that decision has already been made.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

...height slider does not affect asset creation (hair, scars, skin color, gear, 3D modifications)...

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I do a bit of animation in my spare time, used to work for (c) Disney.

Have you seen the impact of character height on animations? If it's too big a change, and the rig and underlying technology isn't able to cope with it, characters sink into or float above the ground. You can't just take a lalafell's /joy and just put it on a Roe.

Likewise clipping might take place with gear. If they have weighted gear for a certain thickness body, a scale up increases the thickness (propertions need to be maintained) and that increase can cause armour to clip where it didn't before. Tolerances and all that.

The slider we have is likely limited for underlying problems like this. It can be solved slightly with improvements to the underlying tech, but it's never as simple as it seems.

If it were simple, they'd have done it.

That said, I still want wider slider range than we have and that's where i am putting my wishes rather than on just taller/shorter, and I hope one day they can improve the underlying tech so we can have a greater range of customisations not just in height, and face, but fatness. Hey, I can always dream ^^

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

You are aware that making your character taller also effects the Models mass size, correct?
Everything is already set and adjusted, we just dont know the specific measurements. Your asking for them to make the Viera Taller by giving them a FemRose slider (Which that makes no sense) and if they were to give you what you want, then they would need to readjust assets again. Because, I play a FemRoe, I can tell you that the model is pretty big and tall compared to other races, so things would need to be changed and adjusted again. This would be Wasting time that could be spent on better things that actually matter.
The Viera are already made, they will be as tall as the Devs Designed them to be.
Standby for the benchmark so you can make your characters and see what the CC offers ahead of time.

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Originally Posted by Rokke

fixing things that aren't broken is a waste of time when we're 6 months out of launch and approx 5ish months from benchmark. there is no reason to potentially cause issues a la hand/feet placement clipping on mounts over a lone thread on the OF being upset at the potential (potential!) of males not being X height. they have already decided on bun boys height. you might like it. you might not. its already been decided one way or another. neither you nor I nor any other forum poster will be changing whatever numbers they picked.

for what its worth, I think its safe to say they're tall based on their height in comparison to the bridge rails in orbonne. you can count the tiles on the floor to try to line up a character to recreate the shot from the preview.

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Who said something was broken? An unreleased product is neither broken nor not broken.
I don't think you understand how height sliders work, it does not cause issues with hands/feet clipping on mounts. Female Roegadyn works in such a way where they set the height slider numbers in the character creation engine then they set the mount scaling within the game code itself; or the game engine itself scales the mount based on the height slider. it has nothing to do with manually worrying about hands/feet clipping on mounts. There's a mod that shows how the engine adjusts itself to the height slider when it comes to mounts. Height slider has almost to little effect on dev time/resources. All it is is a numerical value on the max/min.

Until the benchmark is here you can't claim they already decided the race's height, nor that they wouldn't consider adjustments. It's not until the very last minute that they release full patch notes because they're always literally deciding on things until the very last minute. Hrothgar wasn't ready for fanfest until like a few days before fanest; same examples with Soken's music or the CGI trailers. Until something is in live servers there are always iterations.

I don't think some of you understand the product development cycle. There are so many iterations you'd be shocked.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Great observation, but you seem to miss that its a simple question.

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You seem to miss that I gave you a simple answer.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Humans are still the mental reference point for us. Highlanders are objectively tall by human standards even though they're short relative to the inhumanly tall races.

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By human standards.
The male height chart is based on XIV height standards.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Got to love how the Op comes up with an idea and expects the developers to jump to attention. They're already set the race and it's attributes. They have more than enough on their plate at the moment then to hold an emergency meeting to deal with your request.

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1. The hyperbole's interesting considering you didn't want/were elated that male Viera wasn't going to be added to begin with.
2. The race isn't set in its attributes; can you tell me the attributes (stats)? Where are you pulling those attributes from?

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

1. The hyperbole's interesting considering you didn't want/were elated that male Viera wasn't going to be added to begin with.

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This coming from someone who infested that thread with hyperbole that resulted in numerous mod interventions. Got it. And I've always been for racial additions just not some of the extreme boy/young suggestions that permeated that thread for quite sometime. You behave very similarly here not willing to accept that people don't agree with you.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

This coming from someone who infested that thread with hyperbole that resulted in numerous mod interventions.

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Incorrect.
You're projecting

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Got it. And I've always been for racial additions just not some of the extreme boy/young suggestions that permeated that thread. You behave very similarly here not willing to accept that people don't agree with you.

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Again, more projection. You can't back any of your accusations. Stating that nothing is set in stone until the race goes live is a fact, it has nothing to do with agreeing.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

And I've always been for racial additions just not some of the extreme boy/young suggestions that permeated that thread.

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I wonder where SE has drawn the line with that internally, because that could be telling. Is it a certain set of features combined that crosses into teen-looking territory for SE? Or maybe it's just at 'explicitly a child'.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

I wonder where SE has drawn the line with that internally, because that could be telling. Is it a certain set of features combined that crosses into teen-looking territory for SE? Or maybe it's just at 'explicitly a child'.

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Some of the discussion and fan art in the male Viera thread was pretty disturbing to some and in my view created a backlash about having the racial additions at all.

I love races in this game and wish we could have a lot more. It's why I play so many alts so I don't have to fantasia to enjoy them. Personally for me the male Viera seem a bit too boyish for my tastes but that's me and it's what the developers decided they wanted. I wouldn't like to see racial height differences like male/female au ra but as I've stated many times those height decisions have been made and they will be what they will be. I'm hoping and some of the indications by fan made comparisons seem to show they will be similar in height to the females which I would like to see personally.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

I wonder where SE has drawn the line with that internally, because that could be telling. Is it a certain set of features combined that crosses into teen-looking territory for SE? Or maybe it's just at 'explicitly a child'.

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Child-like and literal children, padjal for example, honestly I already think a female au ra on the min slider is way too close to child-like.

In the Japanese forums some user requested for male viera to fill a gap between lala a miqo, it was obviously a big no, I think that what some people want, males being shorter than miqo already falls in this category.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

I wonder where SE has drawn the line with that internally, because that could be telling. Is it a certain set of features combined that crosses into teen-looking territory for SE? Or maybe it's just at 'explicitly a child'.

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i think he (yoshi-p) even made the comparison to the twins, that something like that wouldn‘t be possible, because they are too similar to young kids. and with what certain modders are capable of, i kind of understand.

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Originally Posted by Renik

In the Japanese forums some user requested for male viera to fill a gap between lala a miqo, it was obviously a big no, I think that what some people want, males being shorter than miqo already falls in this category.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Personally for me the male Viera seem a bit too boyish for my tastes but that's me and it's what the developers decided they wanted. I wouldn't like to see racial height differences like male/female au ra but as I've stated many times those height decisions have been made and they will be what they will be. I'm hoping and some of the indications by fan made comparisons seem to show they will be similar in height to the females which I would like to see personally.

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That's kind of what I was getting at yeah. They seem to have pretty fair features and lither bodies than male Miqo'te, so would them being able to be very short on top of that cross into that uncomfortable teen-looking space for SE? It's possible.

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Originally Posted by Fukuro

i think he (yoshi-p) even made the comparison to the twins, that something like that wouldn‘t be possible, because they are too similar to young kids. and with what certain modders are capable of, i kind of understand.

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I definitely understand as well.

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Originally Posted by Fukuro

i think he (yoshi-p) even made the comparison to the twins, that something like that wouldn‘t be possible, because they are too similar to young kids. and with what certain modders are capable of, i kind of understand.

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I think a race like lyn from blade and soul would be nice personally, but I know the devs are concerned about the negative perception that would bring due to inappropriate mods. While I'm of the mind that gross people will continue to be gross no matter what, I understand where the concern is coming from.

Though I'm not sure why people are inserting children into a conversation about height. It's almost like some people are trying to steer the conversation into something extremely uncomfortable in order to stifle those who'd like them a little bit (even just a few centimeters) shorter. I'm not saying you're doing that just btw

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

@Both
--I don't think you understand how height sliders work, it does not cause issues with hands/feet clipping on mounts. Female Roegadyn works in such a way where they set the height slider numbers in the character creation engine then they set the mount scaling within the game code itself; or the game engine itself scales the mount based on the height slider. it has nothing to do with manually worrying about hands/feet clipping on mounts. There's a mod that shows how the engine adjusts itself to the height slider when it comes to mounts. Height slider has almost to little effect on dev time/resources. All it is is a numerical value on the max/min.
---Until the benchmark is here you can't claim they already decided the race's height, nor that they wouldn't consider adjustments. It's not until the very last minute that they release full patch notes because they're always literally deciding on things until the very last minute. Hrothgar wasn't ready for fanfest until like a few days before fanest; same examples with Soken's music or the CGI trailers. Until something is in live servers there are always iterations.
I don't think some of you understand the product development cycle. There are so many iterations you'd be shocked.
---You seem to miss that I gave you a simple answer.

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---I question if you know how making 3D models work...Your slider is going to change the character model, you want to make it taller, that effects a whole plethora of things....Textures, clothing, proportions which do lead to things like possibly clipping through the floor and on mounts.
Female Roes were MADE that way. Male Viera are not; I assume so, because here you are requesting that SE give you a FemRoe Slider.
Its one thing if they didnt complete the model, fact is..they did. Its already done and made, you wanting SE to scale up the model for your FemRoe slider request, will in fact take resources and time away from better things.
---Yes I can, because they already showed us the finished product. The Male Viera Design is already Finalized, they already showed it off, you and everyone else saw it. This isn't a WIP, this is a Finished In-game Render, ready for release into the Global Server. Like you just said, the Hrothgar were finalized BEFORE the fanfest. The only thing that changed is that apparently the dev team in their own time found a way to make some headgear work on their heads, thats not the same as changing the slider which would also change the size and proportions of a Character model, and would require more adjustments.
---You did not, so Ill ask one last time and see if I actually get an answer out of you....Why Can't Male Viera be shorter then Female Viera?

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Originally Posted by Senn

Though I'm not sure why people are inserting children into a conversation about height.

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The problem is that there's actually people requesting this, even in this thread, and if you have been in ugh... twitter... you have probably seen these request being more common than here, I don't mean they are asking for literal children, but child-like, It's not the same as wanting them shorter, but we can't ignore that this crowd exists.

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Originally Posted by Renik

The problem is that there's actually people requesting this, even in this thread, and if you have been in ugh... twitter... you have probably seen these request being more common than here, I don't mean they are asking for literal children, but child-like, It's not the same as wanting them shorter, but we can't ignore that this crowd exists.

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That's the crowd that SE repeatedly ignores, regardless of how large or small in number that they are, and for good reason. Twitter was a mistake.

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Originally Posted by Renik

The problem is that there's actually people requesting this, even in this thread, and if you have been in ugh... twitter... you have probably seen these request being more common than here, I don't mean they are asking for literal children, but child-like, It's not the same as wanting them shorter, but we can't ignore that this crowd exists.

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Yeah, I've been browsing twitter lately. I mentioned it before, but I always thought people were overreacting to requests like lyn or whatever. It's just an innocent request. But then I see on twitter all these disgusting mods and I'm kinda like... yeah, I guess I see where people are coming from.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

---I question if you know how making 3D models work...Your slider is going to change the character model, you want to make it taller, that effects a whole plethora of things....Textures, clothing, proportions which do lead to things like possibly clipping through the floor and on mounts.
Female Roes were MADE that way. Male Viera are not; I assume so, because here you are requesting that SE give you a FemRoe Slider.
Its one thing if they didnt complete the model, fact is..they did. Its already done and made, you wanting SE to scale up the model for your FemRoe slider request, will in fact take resources and time away from better things.
---Yes I can, because they already showed us the finished product. The Male Viera Design is already Finalized, they already showed it off, you and everyone else saw it. This isn't a WIP, this is a Finished In-game Render, ready for release into the Global Server. Like you just said, the Hrothgar were finalized BEFORE the fanfest. The only thing that changed is that apparently the dev team in their own time found a way to make some headgear work on their heads, thats not the same as changing the slider which would also change the size and proportions of a Character model, and would require more adjustments.
---You did not, so Ill ask one last time and see if I actually get an answer out of you....Why Can't Male Viera be shorter then Female Viera?

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Oh trust me, I know how it works; do you?
Female Roegadyn uses the type of slider I'd like to see; that's a working version already. Your fear of textures, clothing, and proportions are in vain.

How do you know male Viera weren't made that way? You do know there's a mod that allows you to set min/max height right? These mount/texture/other non-existent issues you're bringing up don't exist. The engine does the height slider to mount conversion.

There you go claiming again that male Viera is complete when you have no official source, nor is it in a benchmark/live server. Male Hrothgar were still going through iterations weeks after Shadowbrigners fanfest.

Finished product? When they stated "everything we're showing you is a work in progress" at the start of fanfest? There's absolutely nothing finished about male Viera, nor any indication that edits will not be made until the race goes live.