Instead of cutting Ultimate from 5.5 why not cut bozja?

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Originally Posted by Euphares

all the things he said

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Working at a Japanese gaming studio/company vs a US based one is like day and night.
Playtesting an Ultimate raid which is the pinnacle of difficulty in the game from distance is also difficult..do people really prefer a rushed out ultimate? only to complain and say its incomplete and it sucks? death threats are already being thrown around in some xiv communities and for what? Also you realise how bad it is to slow down a games development for three whole months? in a game devs world thats a lot.

Also as far as ive heard several US based companies including Blizzardctivision had already plans incase of virus outbreaks, SE probably didnt or wasnt well prepared for something like that seeing the huge time gap for transitioning to work at home. Also WoW and FFXIV focus on entirely different things..
While WoW is very Raid-focused, FFXIV is not. FFXIV focuses on multiple content and mostly casual ones.
I can understand being dissapointed, but blaming SE or saying some things being said, really? Honestly Arthars explained the situation pretty well.

A lot of people that complain will also never do the ultimate, or any before it[heck based on third party sources they havent even done Savage content]. So yeah whatever at this point. Its what it is, it wont change.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Furthermore, they had eighteen months to design the second Ultimate, or relay information to the playerbase of its potential delay.

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Or, and hear me out here, given that they said they were at 70% completion when they made the decision to delay, they were doing fine for getting it done for 5.5 without affecting Endwalker production until Japan had a severe second wave in January that set them back further.

The issue with high end raid content is that it is there to check off a checkbox for a very small crowd and the benefits from having it are mostly advertising related. For myself it's mostly just trophy hunting and getting glam that drives me to do any kind of savage, and if they included a mid level upgrade for eden promise gear that brought the 510 to a 520 version that can be dyed, I know I'd stop savage all together unless the weapon at the end really interested me.

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Originally Posted by Myon88

What I would like SE to remember is that combat will always be the meat to the potatoes that is this game's story, both are nice but really they complement each other. Cultivating a robust baseline lets you hedge against unexpected events, because what has happened is they've pared things down to the bare essentials and covid came along and kicked out the last pillar that was holding things up. So speaking for my demographic, I hope this is taken to heart going forward.

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A prime example of this would be the relic. Had they released it far earlier, like 5.08 or 5.1, we'd have arguably the most grind oriented content right in the midst of the covid delay. Instead, the content cycle collapsed because the game already stretches itself extremely thin to begin with in terms of the amount of new stuff to tackle per patch.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I've been playing since 1.0,and have never really taken an extended break. I still find things to do I haven't done before.


I guess I just see the game differently than others. Oh well. Blanket statements like "longterm players have nothing to do" is rather silly.

Certain groups of them sure. Others no.

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Unless you do literally everything in the game or play for only a short amount of time, you'll inevitably run out of content. Granted, if you just enjoy spamming the same dungeons with friends or gposing, I suppose you have something to do from a technical definition but I wouldn't consider that "content," personally. At least not in the same vein.

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Originally Posted by SnowVix

Or, and hear me out here, given that they said they were at 70% completion when they made the decision to delay, they were doing fine for getting it done for 5.5 without affecting Endwalker production until Japan had a severe second wave in January that set them back further.

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This is only speculation as they never said the second wave impacted development but rather covid itself. Even if that were the case, they likely knew it wouldn't be finalized long before the LL announcement. Hence why I said this should have been conveyed much earlier than literally the last minute. Furthermore, it goes back to my earlier put that shifting Ultimate to 5.51 was already a poor decision to begin with. The whole reason they reneged on three Ultimates is it put too much strain on their development being so close towards the expansion. Prior to covid, they outright admitted to rushing Dragonsong ASAP to focus on new content and work on the expansion. So Ultimate's development was already bogging them down before the pandemic.

Hopefully, lessons have been learned here because it isn't only Ultimate that suffered. Like I mentioned above, the relic taking so long to release put considerably more strain on the content cycle than was necessary.

I have close to 15000 hours. I'd say that's more than a little bit of time. And I do most content. I haven't actually ever used gpose outside of a tiny amount of screenshots when someone was using them for a static group drawing.

Your definition of content just seems limited to savage and ultimate.

I also don't sit around in limsa all day like a lot of people seem to.

My favorite thing to do in this game is battle content. Just because it doesn't reward bis, or have the most challenging fight doesn't mean it's not fun.

People seem to get stuck way too much on character progression, or the difficulty of a fight being fun. I just play differently. You can see what I've done. My achievements aren't hidden.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

A prime example of this would be the relic. Had they released it far earlier, like 5.08 or 5.1, we'd have arguably the most grind oriented content right in the midst of the covid delay. Instead, the content cycle collapsed because the game already stretches itself extremely thin to begin with in terms of the amount of new stuff to tackle per patch.

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Yeah, this I can agree with. When the pandemic hit (officially at least) they had just released an Ishgard Restoration phase. That was great and all, but that lasted a couple weeks tops for some but maybe a few days at most for the rest. They would have benefitted from releasing the relic grinds much, much sooner, and the player base would have too as a result. At most, a new relic chain should start in an x.1 patch. Their priorities have seemed...off to me in Shadowbringers. More so than any expansion before. There are multiple areas of the game that need addressing, but clearly that means we need more gpose stickers and perform options which we really don't need more of.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Your definition of content just seems limited to savage and ultimate.

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You'd be mistaken.

I have done everything from relic grinds, crafting, Yokai to yes, Ultimate. I do a ton in this game, but it simply doesn't have much to offer unless you're spamming the same easy content endlessly. At least for me. I like Normal mode well enough, but it's not exactly engaging to beat E11N for 20+ times where I have virtually no chance of dying as a tank unless I'm blown off. Hell, I can ignore a good chunk of mechanics as a DPS or healer. That isn't to say they aren't enjoyable because I do have fun with casual content otherwise I wouldn't be playing. But you can only do the same handful of things for so long before it gets stall. Frankly, one of the reasons I enjoyed Weeping city way back when is it was moderately threatening.

And before you mention taking a break, I'd actually like more reasons to play. When a new patch drops and I can finish nearly everything in a week... I'm going to run out fast.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

You'd be mistaken.

I have done everything from relic grinds, crafting, Yokai to yes, Ultimate. I do a ton in this game, but it simply doesn't have much to offer unless you're spamming the same easy content endlessly. At least for me. I like Normal mode well enough, but it's not exactly engaging to beat E11N for 20+ times where I have virtually no chance of dying as a tank unless I'm blown off. Hell, I can ignore a good chunk of mechanics as a DPS or healer. That isn't to say they aren't enjoyable because I do have fun with casual content otherwise I wouldn't be playing. But you can only do the same handful of things for so long before it gets stall. Frankly, one of the reasons I enjoyed Weeping city way back when is it was moderately threatening.

And before you mention taking a break, I'd actually like more reasons to play. When a new patch drops and I can finish nearly everything in a week... I'm going to run out fast.

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You don't have to take a break, but you can do other things between xiv sessions. I spent most of the early part of this year building various Lego sets.

I also spend a lot of time reading. Sometimes I raid log, other times I spend hours doing whatever old content I feel like. It's easy to find something to do in this game.

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Originally Posted by technole

No ultimate is a much bigger balloon pop to the economy than many causals realize.

4-star food and pots, RIP. Lost a ton of worth from this point on. Less people to do savage, re-clears, for raid groups, etc. It's pretty massive hit.

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Oh nooooo....
Never mind. I can't even pretend I'm shocked. lol

Also, since I'm stupid, I always assumed Ultimate was [cancelled] hence the echo chamber shit storm, but it got only delayed. Like wtf LOL This many pages for something you'll get anyway.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

Also, since I'm stupid, I always assumed Ultimate was [cancelled] hence the echo chamber shit storm, but it got only delayed. Like wtf LOL This many pages for something you'll get anyway.

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If Endwalker only has two ultimates and not three (because of the delay putting the 5.5 Ultimate to 6.1), then a piece of content got cancelled in retrospect.

Even if the content is very specialized and for only a specific portion of the playerbase: the loss of content is the loss of content.

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Originally Posted by technole

No ultimate is a much bigger balloon pop to the economy than many causals realize.

4-star food and pots, RIP. Lost a ton of worth from this point on. Less people to do savage, re-clears, for raid groups, etc. It's pretty massive hit.

Imagine caring what BiS is now, this gear is certainly not Bozja BiS, that's haste gear you get in bozja augmented.

It's certainly not BiS for previous ultimates if your group wants to do that. Woooo you're i530 in Maytoya's, gonna kill a pig faster.

The cookie crumbles when there is nothing else to work for in the game, expect the unsubs to pile up again just like after months of Shiva Savage.

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Well casuals don't care about Gil. They only care about rping in the quicksands and afking @limsa

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Originally Posted by MPK

Well casuals don't care about Gil. They only care about rping in the quicksands and afking @limsa

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I make a modest amount of gil daily, and I don't get it through food and potions. So....

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Originally Posted by MPK

Well casuals don't care about Gil. They only care about rping in the quicksands and afking @limsa

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I bet those "casuals" have more fun and enjoy the game whole a lot more than you it seems so my question is why are you even here other than to troll. If you don't like the fact ffxiv isn't more raid focus then why continue to play it and pay a sub? Is your life is so boring and miserable that the only fun you have in life is ultimates and trolling "casuals" on the forums. I think you need to take a break and think about your sorry excuse of a life and actually grow up. Go play wow, play ESO, or just find something else to make your life better bc you whining on this forums, and attacking others isn't going to accomplish anything at all.

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Originally Posted by MPK

Well casuals don't care about Gil. They only care about rping in the quicksands and afking @limsa

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Ironically you probably spend more time afk in limsa than most casuals.

Its usually the ultimate titled people I see afking in cities.

Casuals are usually doing content.

Signed, raider.

Problem is that when you go into doing something like savage, there really is only two modes of play: You either blitzkrieg the hell out of it within one or two weeks, or you find a static or pug for what little time you have to try and down content where a dip in motivation can cost you a lot of progress. The ones who do the blitzkrieg are better off IMO because they get to see all the content in one swoop, which really isn't that much: It's just a special end boss with some extra cutscenes. Doing it the other way is a surefire way to burn yourself out near the end, since you have to keep going with that static until either the content is cleared or the next patch comes.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

Oh nooooo....
Never mind. I can't even pretend I'm shocked. lol

Also, since I'm stupid, I always assumed Ultimate was [cancelled] hence the echo chamber shit storm, but it got only delayed. Like wtf LOL This many pages for something you'll get anyway.

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Technically it's been cancelled from Shadowbringers. The projected release in 6.1 is likely 2022 because 6.0 is projected this Fall, and they don't release an ultimate until 3 months from a savage, which gives groups time to get BiS to challenge it.

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Originally Posted by MPK

Well casuals don't care about Gil. They only care about rping in the quicksands and afking @limsa

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Usually it's some Limsa AFK person who wants to show off some sheaved four-year old sword and board relic from Heavensward.

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Originally Posted by technole

Technically it's been cancelled from Shadowbringers. The projected release in 6.1 is likely 2022 because 6.0 is projected this Fall, and they don't release an ultimate until 3 months from a savage, which gives groups time to get BiS to challenge it.



Usually it's some Limsa AFK person who wants to show off some sheaved four-year old sword and board relic from Heavensward.

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its pretty much canceled entirely unless they're planning on putting out 3 ultimates for 6.0.

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

its pretty much canceled entirely unless they're planning on putting out 3 ultimates for 6.0.

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I guess technically it isn't, it's shifting the goalpost. Getting the 2nd ShB ultimate in 6.1 means you're most likely not gonna get the 2nd Endwalker ultimate until 7.1... and so on.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Ironically you probably spend more time afk in limsa than most casuals.

Its usually the ultimate titled people I see afking in cities.

Casuals are usually doing content.

Signed, raider.

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Somewhat wrong. You won't ever see them afking in Limsa, Ul'dah, Gridania. It's currently afk Eulmore, Craft/afk at their house, gather materials, doing raid log runs, speed running Raids, or offline.

Started from late HW/early SB, I mainly raid in FF14 and it is the most fun I find in it. But to be frankly I find ShB is really underwhelming in the combat department. The ultimate "delay" ( if we don't get 3 in EW it is in fact "canceled" ) is big part of the reason.

This isn't just a so called "content for 1%" being merely delayed", or raiders vs casuals, it is about SE breaking their promise. And before you reply let me explain this.

First of all, I totally understand the situation and why they made the decision, but it is still not totally justified for me.

Before 4.5, they explained why there won't be 3rd ultimate in SB because accroding to SE, players responded 3rd ultimate will be too much because they're burnt out.
So they then announce there will only be 2 ultimates in SB and for the future expansions as well. Totally understandable.

Then comes the 5.2 interview, which is almost a year ago ( mid Feb, 2020 ), SE said they will delay the ultimate to 5.5. Even though this decision is questionable for some raiders because usually it is in the middle of a patch where there will be lacking content. But we're not the devs so we don't know what are they planning, we can only trust their decisions.

5.4 dropped in Dec 2020, still no news about new ultimate. Even then some raid groups still aim to get BiS as soon as possible so they can get their main and alt jobs ready for new ultimate in case they need to switch.

And now here we are, on the 9th week into the savage tier they finally announced there will not be an ultimate in 5.5, a content that is promised from previous expansion, announced to be delayed a year ago, won't be here until the end of 2021 or the start of 2022. Players that are looking foward it, no matter how few of them, will be of course be dissappointed and voice their discontent.

On top of that, SE also stated in 4.0 that savage fights are tuned easier so that more players can enjoy it, in compensate of that they will make ultimate difficulty, which is a win-win for everyone that enjoys or wants to try battle content. In 5.0 they not only continued this route, but also simplified most jobs because they expect there will be many new players joining, which is true.

So in ShB, dedicated raiders not only lost the content that they are promised to, most fights and jobs are also not as enjoyable as before. IMO this ultimate being delayed is just a last straw for them. Again, no matter how few of them are there, their voice should not be ignored.

Not to mention the amount of new stuffs (mostly not battle related) that are added in ShB is way more than before. Can't remember all but here's some not in specific order: Ocean fishing, gpose update, dungeon exploration, mogstation items, crafter/gatherer UI update and skill overhaul ( I know some ppl are upset about this ), new 48 men savage ( really good feedback afaik )

This way of course the raiders that specifically enjoy ultimate will feel left out. Even if they can do 48 men savage, it is locked behind a long grind not everyone enjoys.

For me this is more about SE's poor prioirity or simply their decision making. This is also probably how the game's heading in EW. So no hopes up but still looking foward to new expansion.

Thing is we have to consider the rework of Dragonsong Ultimate while EW is on the approach which will cause a lot of delays to get it ready for EWs stat squishing, including UCOB/UWU/TEA. I can understand the basis of stalling Dragonsong ultimate for EW stat squishing. Reworking every mechanic possible without the SB/SHB stat levels.

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Originally Posted by MPK

Well casuals don't care about Gil. They only care about rping in the quicksands and afking @limsa

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Or flooding PF with their 18+ club ads.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

I guess technically it isn't, it's shifting the goalpost. Getting the 2nd ShB ultimate in 6.1 means you're most likely not gonna get the 2nd Endwalker ultimate until 7.1... and so on.

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I feel like that becomes a semantic argument. If the second ultimate of each expansion is pushed to the next one from now on, then in practical terms it really just means that Shadowbringers lost an ultimate by being the only expansion with an ultimate to not get two. Not that I'm bitter at them about the situation, they gotta do what they gotta do and covid screwed with everybody.

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Originally Posted by MPK

Bozja content is straight up garbage, not even the casual players enjoy it.

Why even make a savage version of a 24 man raid that was aimed at casual players?!

I want my money back SE. I only stay subbed this tier so I can get BiS for ultimate!

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Don’t be silly. Far more people enjoy bozja than even think about ultimate. Barely any players legitimately do ultimate, most just buy it from Gil selling sites.

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Originally Posted by Vickii

Don’t be silly. Far more people enjoy bozja than even think about ultimate. Barely any players legitimately do ultimate, most just buy it from Gil selling sites.

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Bozja is also tied to relics and actual story, cancelling chunks of it would impact wherever the story is going with it. Where as Ultimate is more standalone content that doesn't impact the lore.

It's fair to be disappointed that it got pushed back. But honestly if something had to give, it makes sense to me for Ultimate to be one of the first things to get delayed.

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Originally Posted by WoW

Or flooding PF with their 18+ club ads.

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Ohh, Ohh, Ohh... Are we playing this fun little game where pretend that things are exclusive to a certain group of people and that people who raid aren't equally as culpable? Ohh, Ohh.. Where do I sign up for this game?

Ironically, this is no more different than those who say all high-end raiders are elitist.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Ohh, Ohh, Ohh... Are we playing this fun little game where pretend that things are exclusive to a certain group of people and that people who raid aren't equally as culpable? Ohh, Ohh.. Where do I sign up for this game?

Ironically, this is no more different than those who say all high-end raiders are elitist.

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Raiders should stick together and make this game great again. Casuals should not be allowed to steal our content.

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Originally Posted by WoW

Raiders should stick together and make this game great again. Casuals should not be allowed to steal our content.

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Ah, so you're one of those people.

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Originally Posted by WoW

Raiders should stick together and make this game great again. Casuals should not be allowed to steal our content.

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Trolling doesn't work when it is so obvious, but I'll bite for a second.

It's this kind of trivializing and parodying of genuine topics like the vague delay of Ultimate from .3 > .5 (which it is) which makes people unwilling to agree with you on a level of principle. Probably the most 'toxic' behavior too since it only makes people all the more reluctant to even listen on the offset genuine topics that do arise like this one, so, well done!

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Originally Posted by WoW

Or flooding PF with their 18+ club ads.

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SE should shut those down too! They're against the ToS!

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Originally Posted by MPK

SE should shut those down too! They're against the ToS!

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A friend visited one on... i think it was zodiark for the lols and sent me screenshots on discord... im really a pervert n all but dam.... i dont know how they can do that lol. Even more when you know how many there mod.

All I'm aiming for is the judge gearsets I will gladly walk away from the rest. Downside is you need at least level 10 to get them.

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Originally Posted by WoW

Raiders should stick together and make this game great again. Casuals should not be allowed to steal our content.

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There are some who think "well i don't do the content, it doesn't matter" but like the economy hit of no ultimate I mentioned before, it also has another effect.

One thing YoshiP liked from the first ultimate on was that it brought the largest streaming audience for the game.

Like today you aren't aren't going to be a very successful XIV streamer unless you do almost all end-game content, like savage at the minimum where you are progressing something new every broadcast versus daily same casual stuff everyday. Successful streamers today include Mizzteq, Spofie, and Xeno.

So Ultimate brought streaming watches at the all-time highest ever in all regions, and YoshiP admitted they had fun watching groups fail the UwU awoken mechanics. So there is also marketing value for the content outside of a way to solidly generate subs for months that can roll over for years since the content cannot be undersized, and will always be a relevant challenge. Say new raid group joins XIV in 2020, clears savage, now has 3 possible ultimate to challenge now. Instead of 4 unfortunately. But they may stay along for all if they are that type of group.

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Originally Posted by technole

Like today you aren't aren't going to be a very successful XIV streamer unless you do almost all end-game content, like savage at the minimum where you are progressing something new every broadcast versus daily same casual stuff everyday. Successful streamers today include Mizzteq, Spofie, and Xeno.

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It's always been centre of attention when the player is very skilled in Savage/Ultimate, plus Xeno got a lot of guides up notably fast back in the times. Plus you forgot Arthas who is a skilled player too.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Trolling doesn't work when it is so obvious, but I'll bite for a second.

It's this kind of trivializing and parodying of genuine topics like the vague delay of Ultimate from .3 > .5 (which it is) which makes people unwilling to agree with you on a level of principle. Probably the most 'toxic' behavior too since it only makes people all the more reluctant to even listen on the offset genuine topics that do arise like this one, so, well done!

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Always accuse someone of trolling when you can't respond to them, right? You know very well that I'm right. The game now is being shaped by players who would instantly ditch the game over trivial things like the ridiculous outrage over bunny dudes. SE should take a page from Fromsoftware and build a massive skill wall to keep the casuals out. The game economy is going to be safe because Mogstation will pay for it. The developers design creativity is now being limited by catering to casuals that Jobs became so brainless and yet, they still don't know how to play the game!

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Originally Posted by WoW

Always accuse someone of trolling when you can't respond to them, right? You know very well that I'm right. The game now is being shaped by players who would instantly ditch the game over trivial things like the ridiculous outrage over bunny dudes. SE should take a page from Fromsoftware and build a massive skill wall to keep the casuals out. The game economy is going to be safe because Mogstation will pay for it. The developers design creativity is now being limited by catering to casuals that Jobs became so brainless and yet, they still don't know how to play the game!

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You're a special kind of...honestly, I don't even know what you are, much to my horror and curiosity.

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Originally Posted by WoW

Always accuse someone of trolling when you can't respond to them, right? You know very well that I'm right. The game now is being shaped by players who would instantly ditch the game over trivial things like the ridiculous outrage over bunny dudes. SE should take a page from Fromsoftware and build a massive skill wall to keep the casuals out. The game economy is going to be safe because Mogstation will pay for it. The developers design creativity is now being limited by catering to casuals that Jobs became so brainless and yet, they still don't know how to play the game!

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That would be a horrible decision since casual players are most likely going to pay more in the long run than hard-core players. Plus as any good developer would know its better to pander to the casual community than hard-core. The game was never marketed as a hardcore game like fromsoftware games so if they suddenly shifted the game to be like those games than they would likely lose troves and troves of people which loses them money which would make it so SE would shut the game down or stop funding it completely so no more expansions. Not like they dont throw the hardcore community a bone with ultimate and savage raiding. Plus one can always become a master at a job and an encounter so there is ways to learn to optimize giving those that want it to optimize their gameplay. Much to your dismay SE is making the smart move with how they make the game encounters and such pandering to more casuals than hardcores. Course you probably havent experienced the harder content yet since you are only 24 so i'd suggest trying those out.

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Originally Posted by WoW

Always accuse someone of trolling when you can't respond to them, right? You know very well that I'm right. The game now is being shaped by players who would instantly ditch the game over trivial things like the ridiculous outrage over bunny dudes. SE should take a page from Fromsoftware and build a massive skill wall to keep the casuals out. The game economy is going to be safe because Mogstation will pay for it. The developers design creativity is now being limited by catering to casuals that Jobs became so brainless and yet, they still don't know how to play the game!

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Obviously didn't read below it, did you?

If you want to try and assert objectivity into this discussion with respect to how healthy or unhealthy certain groups of players are for this game, then going in accordance with general trends in the patch, and how quickly raiders exhaust content they have a vested interest in, combined with the interest or lack thereof in other content; they would be far more unlikely to unsub, so that argument works both ways. It's a simple fact players exhaust content far quicker than it can be developed. Whilst you can argue Mogstation will provide profit therein for the game, it likely isn't going to be to where they can sufficiently provide consistent content. Especially when your proposal is akin to walling a majority of players to unsub, your proposal is unbelievably naive and fails to see beyond your own personal interests without understanding the implications of going forward with such things. Not to mention when you factor that a large portion of profits are already more than likely used to finance the development of other games. I'm really not sure you understand design at all, nor profits when you'd already slash the player base and content therein.

You probably didn't even play in the days or Gordias or Midas either, so let's give you a little refresher on how it was back then. A4S and A8S in terms of intensity probably rivaled that of the Ultimate content, and ironically enough was in fact over-tuned for the iLv it was designed for in the first place, requiring gear that actually exceeded the minimum. These things shattered a lot of the raiding community and if you were around, you'd have seen this yourself. Something which I'd argue you'd probably go back on your desire and wish for the days of Eden. Hence why since we've had tiers like Creator, Omega, and Eden. With Ultimates to provide further challenge.
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It's easy for you to spout this when you didn't really first hand see a majority of groups failing to meet the dummy check presented by Faust before you could even raid in the first place. Arguably more players back then we're hitting a training dummy that hit back than actually raiding and dealing with interesting mechanics. In fact, when it came to A4S one of the more accepted strategies for handling with the big mechanic Royal Pentacle was to sacrifice rather than handling the mechanic in the way the devs originally intended, and you still want to talk about design when the biggest 'gimmick' in the A4S fight was cheesed/undermined. You want every tier to be like this? Please LOL.

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Originally Posted by technole

There are some who think "well i don't do the content, it doesn't matter" but like the economy hit of no ultimate I mentioned before, it also has another effect.

One thing YoshiP liked from the first ultimate on was that it brought the largest streaming audience for the game.

Like today you aren't aren't going to be a very successful XIV streamer unless you do almost all end-game content, like savage at the minimum where you are progressing something new every broadcast versus daily same casual stuff everyday. Successful streamers today include Mizzteq, Spofie, and Xeno.

So Ultimate brought streaming watches at the all-time highest ever in all regions, and YoshiP admitted they had fun watching groups fail the UwU awoken mechanics. So there is also marketing value for the content outside of a way to solidly generate subs for months that can roll over for years since the content cannot be undersized, and will always be a relevant challenge. Say new raid group joins XIV in 2020, clears savage, now has 3 possible ultimate to challenge now. Instead of 4 unfortunately. But they may stay along for all if they are that type of group.

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Are you saying that, if you don't stream and you'd rather have everything be cheaper in the marketboard, then you would want Ultimate to be gone?

I'm not sure your post actually provides a compelling response to the "well i don't do the content, it doesn't matter" crowd.

Lol imagine watching streamers

Anyways. Enjoy your Bozja mkp! Its not what you wanted, but I hope you can find some enjoyment out of it. I truly do.