Consolidated Scholar 4.0 Feedback Thread

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Chain Stratagem I honestly do not like it. I mean it's PvP version is amazing. So maybe they should rethink that. Our healing is so low potency wise, it's just ridiculous. Adlo is a joke now and so is Succour. Indom is still good but a 30 sec CD is just bad seeing as it cost a Aetherflow. Emergency tactics needs it's CD reduced as well. Exoc needs to be changed to something more worth it. In 8 mans it is just tough to use as there is a second healer and tanks using their own tankbusters. It is a waste of a Aetherflow. Maybe it should not even cost an Aetherflow to be honest. Fey union is nice but I think either one or 3 things should happen. The fairy should follow the player it is tethered to, it should be 20y instead of 10 or it should be an Aoe healing tether for the 10y and stationary fairy. Dissipation do not even get me started on this ability lol. I still never use it. I agree that Fey union and Dissipation does not work together int he SCH kit at all.

Final Thoughts:

I think SE took most of their time on tanks and the new jobs and some of the dps jobs and healers were just rushed. SE said Healers would be refreshing to play and honestly they are not. SCH has allot of issues. They saved WHM "Sorta" and OP Astro and definitely dropped the ball on SCH. I hope Yoshi P mentions this in the live letter in 10 days. Because they definitely screwed SCH and this is just on the healing portion of the job.

Either way SE really needs to look at SCH and we need some serious changes. Hopefully in 4.05 we will see a new SCH born. SE did say they are looking at feedback and listening to the player base so fingers crossed.

Copied my post from another thread but here's what we need.

1. Fey Union's potency needs to be significantly higher. Considering you get 3 ticks of this per minute (roughly, who knows how RNGFlow will go), a measly 5-6k is a sad joke, especially given the poor range and the animation dance required to even use it. The range should be 100y (like Bahamut) or at the very least, 30y like Embrace.

2. Excogitation is unnecessary. It doesn't reward planning nearly enough, and has poor synergy with other healers. 50 more potency Over Lustrate? Thanks. Saves me a GCD when things get dicey? Lustrate is 1 second recast. There is no situation where things are so dicey that I can't spare 1 second. If such a situation exists, no healer but SCH can do this.

3. Adloquium is a crappier Aspected Benefic. Not instant cast, costs more, weaker in every situation aside from a crit and even then, it's barely higher compared to a Aspected Benefic crit. You can bring up Deployment Tactics, but we can't fish for crits as reliably anymore with higher MP costs and crit being nerfed in general. Realistically, spread crit-lo is nice but not something you try and plan for.

4. Succor costs the same as Cure 3. Why doesn't it have the same potency then? Pick one. Lower Succor's MP cost to rival Medica or buff Succor's potency to 550.

5. Dissipation has poor synergy with Aetherpact. So we'll gain stacks and lose the fairy who benefits from us using stacks? Have to waste, at best 1 GCD and waste a valuable CD (swiftcast) or hard cast (which we won't do anyways). This skill is terrible and is only ever useful for minor DPS gains (very minor) and emergencies. It hurts you in the long run and is far too punishing. Resummon the Fairy after Dissipation wears off would be nice.

6. Embrace was nerfed for the wrong reason. Fairy shined in 3.X because Cleric Stance didn't effect them. They had 100% uptime on a nice heal. This mean that SCH had the easiest time DPSing and Healing at the same time (arguably still have it the easiest, by a much smaller margin). However, SCH's strength was their ability to DPS while Healing. With Cleric Stance no longer required to stance-dance, the fairy's main strength in 3.X is gone. So why are they nerfed? This greatly lowers SCH's HPS and is unneeded.

7. Quickened Aetherflow is garbage. A flat CDR of even 10 seconds would be better than this RNG crap. Statistically speaking, it shaves off 8 seconds roughly, but with how it works, you're just going to have bursts of unfun (or very fun) inconsistency. Just make it flat and stop this RNG nonsense.

8. Our AoE sucks. We don't have a level 40 job skill anymore. Give us an AoE here or at least a trait. Anything man. We got jack here.

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Originally Posted by Flannel

3.X SCH was at an almost perfect standpoint, with very few flaws but also not being ridiculously OP.

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SCH was op since 2.X, basically inception. The only reason it didn't feel OP is because it had been for two entire expansions. This is actually the first time SCH was removed from its godly and mandatory prestige pedestal.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

SCH was op since 2.X, basically inception. The only reason it didn't feel OP is because it had been for two entire expansions. This is actually the first time SCH was removed from its godly and mandatory prestige pedestal.

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SCH was never OP. Cleric Stance was just designed in such a way that the fairy was the best source of healing while in it. SCH has always had lower HPS. Now that Cleric Stance is effectively gone, the flexibility and strength of DPSing and Healing has now been given to everyone else and now it's become very obvious that SCH is, in fact, the weakest raw healer.

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Originally Posted by Rubiss

it's become very obvious that SCH is, in fact, the weakest raw healer.

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Except it's only obvious now because they were significantly and drastically nerfed in many ways, including their effective healing efficiency. Like I said, they've literally just been brought down to normal.

I would be happy if they just brought over the same base shield potency modifiers as AST and apply the crit modifier to succor. Maybe bring the shield potency down from 250% to 200% for both.

Fey Union should provide a "union" between the SCH and Fairy granting CD refresh for aetherflow and fairy abilities, while providing the tether to target but not locking the fairy out of abilities with a longer and smarter lease (like follow target and stop draining gauge if tether is broken). The tether would be same potency as embrace but devoted to a single target or would cause a embrace to go off on the selected target every time a Physick, Adloquium or Succor is cast without interfereing with any fairy abilities being used including the actual embrace ability.. Would be on a 30 second CD and last for 10 gauge consumed every 3 seconds for a total up time at 100 gauge of 30 seconds. Likewise, to get 100 gauge you need around 3+ minutes of Aertherflow ability use

Excogition should provide a shield of equivalent potency if the effect is not triggered especially since it costs a AF stack (which it shouldn't). (if no AF stack cost) if you have 20 fairy gauge available at time of use it would consume the 20 points and give it a higher heal/shield potency modifier so instead of 650, 700.

Bring Sacred Soil mitigation up from 10% to 20% and increase the chance of a free succor. It is so unreliable even in dungeons or primals where I am purposefully trying to trigger it. Out of 10 Lakshmi Ex runs I got one trigger of the ability with multiple sacred soils per run. While that is a small sample size a 20% chance it should proc more frequently.

Dissipation should increase healing and refresh Aetherflow stacks without sacrificing the fairy. It would summon Lilly and give it access to all 8 fairy abilities for the duration of Dissipation and returning the original fairy upon end. This would mean the fairy abilities while under dissipation would not share CD timers, however any ability used would cause the original fairies CDs to be down, unless timed right. Lilly would be an additional effect added by a trait at the lvl 65-70 range (Yes this is actual Lore to the SCH job, Selene represents moonlight and Eos sunlight and are two parts of a fairy named Lilly). I would keep it on the same 2 minute CD, I would be okay with a 150 second CD as well while duration would remain the same.

Quickened Aetherflow should be replaced with "Tactician" trait giving a flat 5% boost to crit chance on healing spells and abilities and undoes the bane nerf. This would not affect fairies.

Fey Wind should be brought up to 5-10% and replace the silence with a single target P+M Def debuff at around 5-10% or a DoT effect. Unrelated but the spellspeed increase on fairy crits would be a welcome re-addition too.

I would also be interested to see something involving the fairy gauge amount and either crit or shield potency increases. For instance if your fairy gauge is at 50, shields get a 25 potency increase, if at 100 a 50 potency increase or at 50+ gauge all shield providing spells have a +5% chance of critting, jumping up to 10% at 100. This would be passive.



Overall, the additional uses of Aetherflow and Fairy CDs would give parties extra utility and situational use burst while giving it the identity of a mitigation healer. Playing on its already established crit procs and toolkit it would bring up the job without stepping to far into either WHM or AST territory. Technically the above would add an additional trait to the ones we already have however considering that Yoshi P originally stated that he wanted all jobs to have the same number of abilities and now we have jobs with more and less I dont see why this would be an issue.

On another side note, Plenary Indulgence should grant the target a Confession Aura that spreads 10y, 15y, and 20y respectively based on stack quantity. The aura would be like a bloodbath effect giving people a minor health recovery for damage dealt while adding a 50 potency holy damage to all auto attacks and weapon abilities/spells. In the event two people have the aura the effects would not stack. Or something like that, you know for raid utility.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Except it's only obvious now because they were significantly and drastically nerfed in many ways, including their effective healing efficiency. Like I said, they've literally just been brought down to normal.

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Their healing never needed nerfs. They were never OP in this regard. They were only good because they had solid sustain heals with DoTs. This allowed them to achieve higher DPS because they could afford more time to do so. Coupled with the themepark ride that was Creator Savage, and there you go. Eos can solo heal 30% of the fight. What made SCH "OP" was never their raw healing, it was the sustained nature of it which is no longer something they dominate. Everyone can heal and DPS very easily now without having to waste GCDs dancing in Cleric Stance. It's because of Cleric Stance's changes that SCH is actually weak right now.

I think screw the dps bit... if we had heals off of aetherflow and eos/physick combined did stuff it would be alright...

I want Dissipation gone so bad. I hate it. It takes up space in my hotbars and the few times I actually used it, I did not feel a boost to my healing. I really hope they do something to the Lvl 62 move Excogitation, I loath it and can't find a practical way to use it.

I just wish they would stop giving us these abilities that give us a nice benefit, but punish us for using the skill.

Dissipation:
Benefits - Bonus healing to 3 of our 6 healing abilities. 3 aether stacks.
Punishments - fairy gone can't assist with healing; locked out of fairy abilities for duration; need to devote steep mp cost to resummon fairy, and cast time or a valuable CD; aether stacks won't build fairy gauge if used during duration.

FaeUnion:
Benefits - places a strong HoT on target.
Punishments - fairy gone can't assist with healing; locked out of fairy abilities for duration of HoT; fairy plants itself near target if tank (who else would it be) fairy is now in cleave position; mp devotion to heal fairy after it inevitably took cleave damage; target needs to stay need fairy to receive benefit or fairy bleeds gauge uselessly.

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Originally Posted by Miles_Maelstrom

Punishments - fairy gone can't assist with healing; locked out of fairy abilities for duration of HoT; fairy plants itself near target if tank (who else would it be) fairy is now in cleave position; mp devotion to heal fairy after it inevitably took cleave damage; target needs to stay need fairy to receive benefit or fairy bleeds gauge uselessly.

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For the last point, 10y is actually pretty long for the tether and it's very rare that it will actually put the fairy in cleave range. For reference, if Whispering Dawn can hit the tank then the fairy was already within 15 yalms of it anyway, so this is only 5y closer and almost always safe enough unless the tank is in the middle of a crazy mob-pile with orange slices in every direction. Also you can use the fairy's abilities prior to activating Union if you like, though it is definitely a move you have to intend to use rather than one to pop on reaction given its start-up time.

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Originally Posted by LegoTechnic

For the last point, 10y is actually pretty long for the tether and it's very rare that it will actually put the fairy in cleave range. For reference, if Whispering Dawn can hit the tank then the fairy was already within 15 yalms of it anyway, so this is only 5y closer and almost always safe enough unless the tank is in the middle of a crazy mob-pile with orange slices in every direction. Also you can use the fairy's abilities prior to activating Union if you like, though it is definitely a move you have to intend to use rather than one to pop on reaction given its start-up time.

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I'd argue that it's still very easy to violate a 10y range, and the fact that the ability doesn't auto-cancel in that event is an issue. Fey Union being an ability rather than a spell compounds the range and broken deactivation issues since CDs like Rouse and Fey Illumination contribute nothing to its output.

It's not the worst ability ever by any means, but its level of clunkiness and lack of synergy with healing CDs and with Dissipation is extremely disappointing. It's ironic that the 60 and 70 capstone abilities are at complete odds with each other, especially considering that Dissipation was already full of issues and received 0 fixes. Just a lot of wrong on SE's part, here.

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Originally Posted by TristanBlane

I want Dissipation gone so bad. I hate it. It takes up space in my hotbars and the few times I actually used it, I did not feel a boost to my healing. I really hope they do something to the Lvl 62 move Excogitation, I loath it and can't find a practical way to use it.

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This is because so many Scholar heals aren't effected by the 20% healing buff.

Dissipate+Succor was so good back in minimal ilvl Sephirot Ex add phase burst damage days. I was always telling DPS just go ham on them because of how potent those shields were. You get enough for up to 3 explosions, can even dps, be easily back to full MP and manually re-summon fairy for last phase.

Now we got access to Largesse which is real nice to have. It's really all dependent on encounter design. Downtimes and fairy swaps can make Dissipate useful. You just you won't find much of a use outside of raiding.

Why SCH don't use dissipate more? The fairy was nerfed, now you have more reasons to kill her =D.

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Originally Posted by AlphaSonic

Why SCH don't use dissipate more? The fairy was nerfed, now you have more reasons to kill her =D.

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That's how inconsequential the healing buff (doesn't affect a slew of our heals) is compared to losing even the nerfed fairy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2LG...ature=youtu.be

I got so sick of trying to reply to new SCH threads that I just made a video. Battling unfair nurfs is exhausting.

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Originally Posted by jstamos

That's how inconsequential the healing buff (doesn't affect a slew of our heals) is compared to losing even the nerfed fairy.

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Well if dissipation would reduce mana costs by 25-50% I would use it all the time.

I have not seen anyone mention this, so I will share: While it is not the intended way of using it, I use Excogitation after the person is under 50%. It then instantly restores the HP instead of granting the effect. Otherwise, I'd never touch it.

I want to see the CD on Indom reduced to 15 seconds.

I'd love to talk a bit about Selene. I used to use her all the time, and now I'm pretty sad about how reliant we all seem to be on Eos, mainly because our heals suck and Selene also doesn't really bring anything strong to the party. A flat out buff to Fey Wind would be nice, though I would even be in favour of removing that along with Silent Dusk and giving her back Fey Glow/Light. It still adds some interactivity with the pet, and those two abilities always felt better than Fey Wind has been. I don't think Selene needs anything major, just something that validates actually using her.

On the note of Faerie usage, I would be very happy if Dissipation was completely reworked to simply be an instant, free Faerie swap on a shorter CD. Even if it means losing the heal buff and AF stacks, if both Faeries actually contributed decently to the party, I think it would add a lot to the job to have both Eos and Selene participating. It makes the job a tad bit more about pet management, and as they seem to be so focused on removing our mitigation, that could become the main focus of our job as it should be. As it stands, with AST unfortunately being a thing, pet management is the only thing that makes us unique, so I'd like to see a bigger overhaul in that department.

Eos needs to be the single target fairy and Selene needs to be the AOE healing fairy (much like the MCH turrents). Currently Selene is very underused, as the only buff she really provides is a weaker version of Arrow. When Fey Union is used, Selene should pulse aoe, and Eos can tick single target. Again, just like a promoted MCH turret. The model is already there to be used. SE needs to pull this trigger (pun intended)

Disspiation needs to remove your current fairy and swap to the other one. This would allow for more skillful fairy play.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

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I love this idea. For this to really work, I think Dissipation's cooldown would need to come down by a lot for this to really work and not generate Aetherflow, but this would be great for giving SCH's much needed AoE healing help.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

I want to see the CD on Indom reduced to 15 seconds.

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There is absolutely zero content in this game that has ever required something like this.

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Originally Posted by Deox

There is absolutely zero content in this game that has ever required something like this.

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My statement was not a question, therefore, does not need your response nor approval. Thanks, and have a nice day.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

I don't believe I asked for your commentary. That's my opinion. Don't like it? Tough.

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You have to understand that things are designed around timers and boss mechanics, if Indom dropped down to 15 seconds that would require them to start creating bosses that aoe spammed the party more often for absurd damage. This would have an effect that would drip into the other healers forcing a need for aoe heal MP cost to be reduced to keep up with that aoe damage pace so they don't OoM

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Originally Posted by Deox

You have to understand that things are designed around timers and boss mechanics, if Indom dropped down to 15 seconds that would require them to start creating bosses that aoe spammed the party more often for absurd damage. This would have an effect that would drip into the other healers forcing a need for aoe heal MP cost to be reduced to keep up with that aoe damage pace so they don't OoM

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Since Stormblood dropped, I have seen MANY complaints about SCH's lack of AOE healing. My request, whether you approve or not, would help in that regard. It would not solve the issue completely, but it would certainly help.

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Originally Posted by Deox

You have to understand that things are designed around timers and boss mechanics, if Indom dropped down to 15 seconds that would require them to start creating bosses that aoe spammed the party more often for absurd damage. This would have an effect that would drip into the other healers forcing a need for aoe heal MP cost to be reduced to keep up with that aoe damage pace so they don't OoM

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While I haven't decided whether or not I like the notion of decreasing Indom's CD, I don't think it would have any appreciable effect on design. They wouldn't create a scenario that WHM and AST (both already having reasonably potent AoE healing options, several of which being spammable on GCD) couldn't handle, so SCH being able to cast Indom more frequently wouldn't make a dent. They would have to assume the presence of a SCH, which of course they wouldn't.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

Since Stormblood dropped, I have seen MANY complaints about SCH's lack of AOE healing. My request, whether you approve or not, would help in that regard. It would not solve the issue completely, but it would certainly help.

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Buffs to Succor and tweaks to Emergency Tactics would be a much better solution. No SCH will want to spend an AF stack on Indoms that frequently. Indom is a very powerful ability, it doesn't need to be shortened.

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Originally Posted by Kabzy

Buffs to Succor and tweaks to Emergency Tactics would be a much better solution. No SCH will want to spend an AF stack on Indoms that frequently. Indom is a very powerful ability, it doesn't need to be shortened.

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People often spend multiple on Lustrate in succession. Besides, with all the complaints about MP (which I have had no MP issues) spamming Emergency/Succor isn't the answer either - unless they reduce the Succor cost by a decent amount.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

People often spend multiple on Lustrate in succession. Besides, with all the complaints about MP (which I have had no MP issues) spamming Emergency/Succor isn't the answer either.

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Spamming Lustrate is not something you'll do in a planned raid, unless things go terribly wrong. Even then using only one will generally give you enough leeway to recover with more appropriate resources. So forcing that playstyle is hardly a good reason.

I'll agree that MP issues are not a major deal at the moment, but again a change to Succor and Emergeny Tactics is still a better solution for the following reason: It buffs tools that are arguably weak on SCH as it currently stands. Indom requires no buffs because as far as I'm concerned, it's already a very strong ability.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

Since Stormblood dropped, I have seen MANY complaints about SCH's lack of AOE healing. My request, whether you approve or not, would help in that regard. It would not solve the issue completely, but it would certainly help.

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A 700 potency aoe heal bomb with a roused fairy regen on top of it is very very potent aoe healing. The people having issues need to learn to not burn their aoe heals outside of moments that absolutely require them. Yes that makes the class harder to play because you have to learn when to do things. But sch aoe healing specially in the fights with the biggest most intense aoe damage has never been an issue as there is also always another regen up on the party typically from the main healer.

Like I'm not trying to be a jerk about stuff like this but stuff like that typically has a negative long term effect as they have to start designing everything around those things

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Originally Posted by Kabzy

Buffs to Succor and tweaks to Emergency Tactics would be a much better solution. No SCH will want to spend an AF stack on Indoms that frequently. Indom is a very powerful ability, it doesn't need to be shortened.

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This I agree with

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

While I haven't decided whether or not I like the notion of decreasing Indom's CD, I don't think it would have any appreciable effect on design. They wouldn't create a scenario that WHM and AST (both already having reasonably potent AoE healing options, several of which being spammable on GCD) couldn't handle, so SCH being able to cast Indom more frequently wouldn't make a dent. They would have to assume the presence of a SCH, which of course they wouldn't.

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They can super handle it, the scenario of talking about is that now that SCH has a hyper aoe every 15 seconds they can do burst aoe healing like the other two on demand, this would cause them to up the amount of high aoe damage in raids, which is typically only happens once a minute on average atm, because every healer can now keep up with it. This would in return cause higher mp drain on the other two classes

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Originally Posted by Deox

A 700 potency aoe heal bomb

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400 potency *

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Originally Posted by Kabzy

400 potency *

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Emergency tactics -> succor->indom->fairy aoe

One other change I would like to see is a slight reduction to the Chain Strategem recast. 2 minutes seems fairly steep for something that only gives a 15% CHANCE to crit for 15 seconds.

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Originally Posted by Deox

Emergency tactics -> succor->indom->fairy aoe

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Ah. By 'bomb' I thought you were just referring to Indom alone. My bad!

After levelling SCH to 70....I think its healer kit is kinda weak.

The Fairy heals less than a WHM regen and faaar less than an AST regen. The issue with this is that we don't have a Cure II equivalent so it's rough when your fairy can't even help carry your slack.

Excognition is weak. And a 1 min cd for a heal slightly better than lustrate? The CD can stay but the potency needs to be higher.

Chain Strategem is fine. There may be some improvement in there but it's a nice addition.

Aetherflow reset is terrible...I have yet to see it activate. The chance is far too low and you can't rely on it at all to unlock the majority of your healing abilities.

The fairy tether is okay...it's effectively a largesse regen with a short radius. My only complaint is how long it takes to build the fairy gauge. Couldn't it be 20 per instead of 10? At most you get to use it 9 seconds every minute.

Edit: Fey Union also clashes heavily with Dissipation. You get Aetherflow for the Fairy Gauge but lose the fairy in the process.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

One other change I would like to see is a slight reduction to the Chain Strategem recast. 2 minutes seems fairly steep for something that only gives a 15% CHANCE to crit for 15 seconds.

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It's already a minute shorter than battle litany so I can't seem them really cutting the cooldown shorter unless they lower the % on it.

I'd be down for a 60 second cooldown version so it can line up with Trick Attack at 10% crit, though this might be a bit much on the balance end of things.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Eos needs to be the single target fairy and Selene needs to be the AOE healing fairy (much like the MCH turrents). Currently Selene is very underused, as the only buff she really provides is a weaker version of Arrow. When Fey Union is used, Selene should pulse aoe, and Eos can tick single target. Again, must like a promoted MCH turret. The model is already there to be used. SE needs to pull this trigger (pun intended)

Disspiation needs to remove your current fairy and swap to the other one. This would allow for more skillful fairy play.

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This is actually an interesting idea, and I am trying to think of how it'd work in regards to all the other skills. Assuming Fey Union stays the same, obviously. Going to have to think on this a bit.