Removal of Surnames

because my DUMBphone messed up everything. This was meant to be posted to the "FFXIV app" topic. Sorry about that.

That was not a good behavior of mine, so I'll just talk about surnames =)

I think that giving surnames to our characters can give more RP ideas and concepts to play around with our egos. I always have fun wandering into the game and do some RPing from time to time =D
Anyway, I don't know how this is a pain though, since I can only see good things coming from surnames. I like them really much.

See ya!

I like having surname.
People don't have to worry about name they would like to have already being taken.
It sure helps a lot with server transfers in future too where you would most likely have to change your name.
We could have an option to hide last names only tho if "so much text on screen" really bothers some people.

Naahh...surnames are pretty sweet. It gives this game a +1 uniqueness point despite the inconvenience when /telling people.

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Originally Posted by Corpse

Naahh...surnames are pretty sweet. It gives this game a +1 uniqueness point despite the inconvenience when /telling people.

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Seems kinda silly to like something that is an invonvenience. Still think optional or removal is the best option. I still do not understand why people say it alows for multipules of the same name sure it does but its called being more original. If people were more original there would never be a problem with copies of the same name.

I like and want to keep the surnames as is, however, what should be changed is how tells are handled.

Basically instead of people having to do /tell Suirieko Mizukoshi to send tell, just /tell suirieko should be enough, and if in case there's two people with the same first name, it should go like this in example:

Cloud Lockheart
Cloud Strife

then tells like /tell Cloud would send whoever is highest alphabetically (in this case Cloud L), or sending tell like /tell Cloud L should work as well as /tell Cloud Lockheart.

I'm ok with optional.

Mine is Silverwind - brought over from original EQ and I LIKE it.

Surnames finally allowed me to get a Sojiro name in an MMO (a handle i've used for other online games for years). Something that has not ever happened before. I actually like the surname system since it allows for multiple people to have the same first (or last) name.

What does it matter if people try to make clever/silly/stupid names with surnames, they would do it if they only had a single naming system as well. I'm all for an option to use them or not, just unsure how they would implement it.

no way..if they will remove the surnames..i demand a free name-change

btw my name is the best

I like my name...

One the reason they add surnames was because a lot of players hate the fact that tartar had two names slip in two. A lot of players name them self with a first and a last name to fix this and players wanting the same name this was the best idea and it seem 60% saying stay with it so leave it at that.

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Originally Posted by sasukeuchiha

Seems kinda silly to like something that is an invonvenience. Still think optional or removal is the best option. I still do not understand why people say it alows for multipules of the same name sure it does but its called being more original. If people were more original there would never be a problem with copies of the same name.

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Having to sit through

"That name is taken. Please choose another."
"That name is taken. Please choose another."
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is FAR more of an inconvenience than a few extra characters for tells will ever be (which I don't consider an inconvenience at all, to be honest). Also, there is NOTHING about having a single name that is more original that our current system. I have no idea where you're pulling that from.

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Originally Posted by phokyou

no way..if they will remove the surnames..i demand a free name-change

btw my name is the best

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You'll probably get your free name change regardless. I would think it only a matter of time before someone on your server reports it.

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

Having to sit through

"That name is taken. Please choose another."
"That name is taken. Please choose another."
"That name is taken. Please choose another."
"That name is taken. Please choose another."
"That name is taken. Please choose another."
"That name is taken. Please choose another."
"That name is taken. Please choose another."
"That name is taken. Please choose another."
"That name is taken. Please choose another."
"That name is taken. Please choose another."
"That name is taken. Please choose another."
"That name is taken. Please choose another."
"That name is taken. Please choose another."
"That name is taken. Please choose another."

is FAR more of an inconvenience than a few extra characters for tells will ever be (which I don't consider an inconvenience at all, to be honest). Also, there is NOTHING about having a single name that is more original that our current system. I have no idea where you're pulling that from.




You'll probably get your free name change regardless. I would think it only a matter of time before someone on your server reports it.

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People don't seem to realize this... I guess they prefer Xxx______xxx. Yet you hear screams for immersion in other threads lol. Why complain when you can have the name you wanted FINALLY in a MMO. There is no need for a toggle option either so just leave it be. If you care so much about sending tells then suggest a /sea function and stop complaining about one of the few good things this game has...

This thread should be deleted. Tons of people will have retarded names with or without a surname. So many Cloud of Sephiroth variations without surnames and now honestly out of the current players I don't know a single person with Cloud of Sephiroth in their name anyways! Sure there are some other one but some people just lack creativity. Personally I love having a surname because before FFXI came out I thought it was going to have surnames and I come up with this name then. (cept my name normally has 2 R's and because I used a different account for beta my name got saved and taken)

I think they should give you one blank to write your name, and you should be allowed to have a 'space' in there to make two names if desired.

Meaning I'm in favor of having both options available for 1 and 2 word names.

The only real downside of the surnames is that the coding used when an NPC interacts with you has the NPC recite your complete name every time. At least based off what I've seen so far. Would probably be better if NPCs were programmed to use only your first name. Either is still echelons above the NPC just saying "adventurer" when referring to you.

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Originally Posted by Smashington

Are you trying to seek attention in any possible way? It's working. Keep it up. You could, one day, be known worldwide for being banned from the most forums ever!

How do you contain all that Epic in just one person?

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Easy, not enough pills/too many :P. Also I wouldn't mind an option to toggle last names off. I don't think it would hurt anyone seeing multiple Zahak's running around. Could always /check or target to see what the last name is.

As for tells, SE just needs to add in a search system that can actually search peoples names. Unless they have already, have not checked in a while! OR be able to use the tab button like the auto chat feature and cycle through your friends names.

This is one of those things about vanilla FFXIV (that's what I'm calling pre-Yoshida), that was cool and is still cool. Trying to find a name for a new character in FFXI and EQ2 is a nightmare, do not want it again.

BTW demanding that people be more original it's just as bad as not wanting to type in a longer name. Cry me a river.

I like surnames but feel like they shouldn't be mandatory.

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

Having to sit through

"That name is taken. Please choose another."
"That name is taken. Please choose another."
"That name is taken. Please choose another."
"That name is taken. Please choose another."
"That name is taken. Please choose another."
"That name is taken. Please choose another."
"That name is taken. Please choose another."
"That name is taken. Please choose another."
"That name is taken. Please choose another."
"That name is taken. Please choose another."
"That name is taken. Please choose another."
"That name is taken. Please choose another."
"That name is taken. Please choose another."
"That name is taken. Please choose another."

is FAR more of an inconvenience than a few extra characters for tells will ever be (which I don't consider an inconvenience at all, to be honest). Also, there is NOTHING about having a single name that is more original that our current system. I have no idea where you're pulling that from.

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If people were more creative with there names making names would be alot easier. People who do Xxx_____xxX . Seems people want to see a million people with the name cloud because is original and creative.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I like surnames but feel like they shouldn't be mandatory.

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thats what makes it so stupid is its mandatory.

I don't buy the whole Xxx____xxx argument. I pretty much never saw this in FFXI.

*if you are reading this, your FFXIV's character name is retarded.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

The only real downside of the surnames is that the coding used when an NPC interacts with you has the NPC recite your complete name every time. At least based off what I've seen so far. Would probably be better if NPCs were programmed to use only your first name. Either is still echelons above the NPC just saying "adventurer" when referring to you.

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Actually a lot of NPC are calling you only by your first name, at least in the storyline quests.
I guess it depends on how you're related to the NPC, wich is quite good.

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Originally Posted by sasukeuchiha

If people were more creative with there names making names would be alot easier. People who do Xxx_____xxX . Seems people want to see a million people with the name cloud because is original and creative.

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People can be pretty creative with names. The trouble is when there are thousands of other people out there, one or two are bound to be just as creative, and lo and behold, all those creative names are still taken.

And then there are those who don't want to be creative, they just want the name they want.

With surnames, you can get real creative, you can be generic, or you can just get something at least close to the name you wanted.

Without....

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"That name is taken. Please choose another."
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If 100 people want the name Cloud, it doesn't matter to me. I honestly don't understand why it bothers anyone else.

Surnames are awesome! Leave them alone!

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Originally Posted by BelgianRofl

I don't buy the whole Xxx____xxx argument. I pretty much never saw this in FFXI.

*if you are reading this, your FFXIV's character name is retarded.

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Reader's effect: Retarded FFXIV's Character Name.
Writer's effect: Retarded.

Sending people a tell shouldnt be made a chore ether.

Ahhh another troll post by Belgian...

/sigh

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Originally Posted by sasukeuchiha

Sending people a tell shouldnt be made a chore ether.

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Thats because of the lack of a /sea function and not surnames. In XI there were plenty of people I couldn't spell their name but having /sea helped a lot to send a tell. People should fight to have a /sea function and not complain about a surname. SE is not going to get rid of it because a few people on the english forums don't like it.

edit: If Tanaka(or now Yoshi) added a /sea then the only people complaining would be Belgian and others that can't think for a few seconds to come up with a proper surname they like.

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Originally Posted by Akumu

Thats because of the lack of a /sea function and not surnames. In XI there were plenty of people I couldn't spell their name but having /sea helped a lot to send a tell. People should fight to have a /sea function and not complain about a surname. SE is not going to get rid of it because a few people on the english forums don't like it.

edit: If Tanaka(or now Yoshi) added a /sea then the only people complaining would be Belgian and others that can't think for a few seconds to come up with a proper surname they like.

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If that the case then that improves the /tell people then just make it optional for people who do not want a surname should not be mandatory regardless. If i do not want a surname i should not be required to have while if i want im more then welcome to have 1.

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Originally Posted by sasukeuchiha

If that the case then that improves the /tell people then just make it optional for people who do not want a surname should not be mandatory regardless. If i do not want a surname i should not be required to have while if i want im more then welcome to have 1.

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Sadly things don't always work like that. I don't want AA and would rather it be optional but I doubt they add my special snowflake feature. Some things you just have to deal with it or move on to the next.

Ah right!

Pro-tip

To send a tell to a player who's in front of you, target the player and type
/tell <t> [message]

To send a tell to a player who did a /tell to you (For example, "Dramaturgicus Extraordinaris"), type

/tell drama

Then type the TAB key to start the Auto-translation, and select his name. You'll have this result:

/tell Dramaturgicus Extraordinaris

To start a tell to a player who has been already /tell'd, just press CTRL+T.
If you've /tell'd more than 1 player, you can keep pressing CTRL+T to scroll the players you've /tell'd.

Hope this can help!

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Originally Posted by Renshi

Ah right!

Pro-tip

To send a tell to a player who's in front of you, target the player and type
/tell <t> [message]

To send a tell to a player who did a /tell to you (For example, "Dramaturgicus Extraordinaris"), type

/tell drama

Then type the TAB key to start the Auto-translation, and select his name. You'll have this result:

/tell Dramaturgicus Extraordinaris

To start a tell to a player who has been already /tell'd, just press CTRL+T.
If you've /tell'd more than 1 player, you can keep pressing CTRL+T to scroll the players you've /tell'd.

Hope this can help!

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Nope it does not help at all i already new that and i still find sending a tell to be a chore that the main reson id rather see surnames removed. Seeing as some people liek them if sendning a tell would be made easier then i would not mind as much. Surnames should still be made optional for the people who realy do not want them tho leave it up to the player to have it or not i still do not beleave it should be forced to make a player have a surname is they do not want one.

Come on! With TAB you can't be wrong, even if you would!

._. What's so hard about /tell to people? .... .

amazing, this pathetic thread still lives... There is hope for this game, but no hope for human race's stupidity... :P

I like surnames, but I need a possibility to change it like we do when get married. My surname is "Finch" but I found that there are too many finches on my server!)

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Originally Posted by sasukeuchiha

Nope it does not help at all i already new that and i still find sending a tell to be a chore that the main reson id rather see surnames removed. Seeing as some people liek them if sendning a tell would be made easier then i would not mind as much. Surnames should still be made optional for the people who realy do not want them tho leave it up to the player to have it or not i still do not beleave it should be forced to make a player have a surname is they do not want one.

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Now you're just being obtuse.

There is a one character difference between

/tell sasukeuchiha
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/tell sasuke uchia

Honestly, get over it.

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

That's the thing though, without surnames, you'll have people with Rhianu4352 and people trying to spell it different ways. The point of surnames is to where you can have the same first name with spelling. I get the 'sounds better without' but I'm sure there is a name that would sound good... or you just picked a bad first name ;)

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Ahh, so you're arguing that we need surnames so people don't need to be creative. Ok cool. Also, numbers aren't allowed in most popular mmos

Keep the surnames.

Surnames should be kept, if you can type a sentence, you can type a name. If its the complexity of a name, hell, removing a surname won't solve that. At least there's some sembalance of lore you can make. Look at all the miqote/mithra with "amariyo" in their name! Is it really so horrifying to have the space bar to contend with? Look at how many times I used it here!

Ctrl-R to respond to a immediate /tell sent to you.

Hitting 'Enter' or 'Confirm' twice on a gamepad should pull up the tell command with the person's name already entered as it did in FFXI, and it wouldn't be such a horror story to send tells to running players.