Is dpsing and a healer becoming the standard norm!

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Originally Posted by cgbspender

Ikr, so many "bad" healers on the top 5 world palmares that it's really disturbing. C'mon. Not buying that.

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I didn't say that. You just made it up. I'm explaining that healing is not easy and especially for those who multi task. It require more skills than other jobs. You can complete high level raid by simply healing only, but what about DPS. If you can do both and still keep everyone alive and complete every mechanic. That's when you know you are really good healer. How many players out there play aggresively and manage to do that. Only few people.

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Originally Posted by Melondra

The only reason why healers have the ability to DPS is so they are able to solo content, not to deal DPS in party's. Now if that healer is comfortable and he wishes to do some DPS in there then that's fine he has that ability. But the Healer main job is to heal not to DPS. Did Pre-Alpha/Beata-4 and the reason the job was deigned in this manner was to give the healers the ability to be able to solo content like everyone else. This is why they have the ability to DPS. People really need to stop making jobs into whatever they want and play it as intended.

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If only we hadn't covered this already..

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Originally Posted by Heartley

Here is a screenshot from the Hall of the Novice, Healer section.

http://i.imgur.com/aIAPVbV.png

Did you catch that? Here it is again.

http://i.imgur.com/aIAPVbV.png

One more time!

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In summary,

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It's almost as if...

It's almost as if FF14 as a whole in dungeons, trials, and raids is constructed in such a way that virtually no fight has enough unavoidable damage that a healer should ever be doing nothing but healing unless either they or their party members are screwing up. Thereby making it...more efficient to fill GCDs with DPS abilities in order to clear content faster and more efficiently.

I'm pretty sure if such a crazy idea carried any real weight though that the developers would probably make new players aware in some way though, so I'm probably just day dreaming.

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Originally Posted by Fiaryn

It's almost as if...

It's almost as if FF14 as a whole in dungeons, trials, and raids is constructed in such a way that virtually no fight has enough unavoidable damage that a healer should ever be doing nothing but healing unless either they or their party members are screwing up. Thereby making it...more efficient to fill GCDs with DPS abilities in order to clear content faster and more efficiently.

I'm pretty sure if such a crazy idea carried any real weight though that the developers would probably make new players aware in some way though, so I'm probably just day dreaming.

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Nah, if that were the case they'd probably work it into the story somehow. Maybe give you a class questline entirely about an NPC who only heals and refuses to use offensive spells, and this being a bad and dangerous thing, or something.

Truuuue. Instead we have a story about someone that's killing themselves by using their own aether to cast magic instead of using the aether of the land around them.

It is, in fact, both of those things. To lay it all on the table, if you are unwilling to DPS as a healer you are not good at your job. It has been well known since as far back as 2.0 that healer DPS was not insignificant. There was a time that S-E probably did not realize how significant healer DPS was, but the meta is well recognized at this point and that is reflected in content such as the Hall of the Novice.

Do not waste everyone's time by wasting GCDs when there's no healing to be done.

No, 200 HP shy of full health does not qualify as healing that needs doing.

Except when you're trying to anticipate and time heals that are vital to survival in raids. More often than not back in 2.5 I've had to time heals for T9 just to keep people alive, especially when trying to keep people from getting wrecked by the stack mechanic in Phase 1(and Ravensbeak).

Sure, you can try and help DPS, but you have to know for a fact that your tank will survive the next hit, otherwise they'll use Hello Ground and you know what happens from there. The best way to go about it after doing the raid a couple times(or more in practice) is find safe times to DPS and contribute to the speed of the run, that way you're not creating a dangerous situation for the entire party and have a high potential to wipe. For 4-man, trust your tank. They come in many shapes and sizes but I've seen good tanks ask if they want a big pull or small pull to gauge their healer's preference.

If there is very little damage going out and you are idle for as long as it takes to go into cleric, set up DoTs, then leave cleric, you should have done so.

ABC: Always Be Casting!

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Truuuue. Instead we have a story about someone that's killing themselves by using their own aether to cast magic instead of using the aether of the land around them.

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Her story has elements of her not wanting to use conjury to harm things.

http://imgur.com/oNJDVCH

I wish they made it more obvious. Like:
"HEY, LOOK! NONE OF US ARE GETTING HURT! YOU SHOULD UTILIZE CLERIC STANCE TO IMPROVE YOUR POTENTIAL TO HARM THE ENEMIES OF NATURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

The healer should not have been raging on the tank but yes if they have time to DPS then they should be rather than waiting to heal and sitting there. Especially in dungeons. Part of healing is finding that time in a fight where they can do some DPS.

It's situational really... I mean, in low level dungeons, if the tank isn't doing huge pulls, I can literally stay in cleric stance and through the dungeon. They take little damage, my 150 heals are plenty when his hp bars are around 1000. Now I've always been an advocate of maximizing yourself in what you do. For me, I always try to stance dance with my healer, as I do my tank as well. When there is opportunity, I will push out more where I can. However, by no means am I a flawless healer. I've accidentally spam clicked cleric stance in panic mode when a tank takes an AoE hit from a boss and I'm in cleric stance already (and then end up taking it off and PUTTING IT BACK ON from my spam clicking). There are times when I'm simply in a panic because I tried to do too much DPS as well and let someone die. And I'm still not great at the whole "pay attention to status effects" part of healing.

I've always had the mentality of "every bit helps". If you don't have that mindset, why bother having a PLD tank attack? Just have him flash away endlessly and sit there popping defense CDs. His attacks will barely help out (sarcasm). It's kind of like sword oath in general. Everyone believes it to be very underwhelming because it's not a lot of extra dmg output per hit. But it adds up quickly over time. Very quickly. Just like mobs hit for very little, when you group up a lot of them, guess what?! That "little damage" you weren't worried about all of a sudden becomes a big deal. Why put on a protect? It barely gives any mitigation?! Why do stoneskin?! It only stops 10% of your hp worth of dmg? Why put on any DoTs, it barely does any dmg?! Because it adds up. Everything helps. If you're going to have the mindset of "that ___ does so little, why bother?" then why not just say, "if I can't 1 hit any enemy, whats the point?" What's the cut off for how much damage is worthy in your eyes to be valuable?

I understand that sometimes a healer needs time to recover his MP, that is fine. Being conservative is fine. Knowing what is do-able and what is not is something every healer must gauge for themselves. I will never condemn a healer for helping to DPS where he can. If he makes a mistake once, I can accept it. If he wipes us 3x times, then yea, I might chime in with something along the lines of less DPS, more healing. Everyone has a primary role to play and I hope they make it their priority.

Anyone would be mad at a tank not holding aggro on a mob.
Anyone would be mad at a healer not keeping players alive.
Anyone would be mad at a DPS not killing things.

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Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima

otherwise they'll use Hello Ground and you know what happens from there.

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They'll greet the floor?

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

They'll greet the floor?

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DRG limit break

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Originally Posted by Heartley

Here is a screenshot from the Hall of the Novice, Healer section.

http://i.imgur.com/aIAPVbV.png

Did you catch that? Here it is again.

http://i.imgur.com/aIAPVbV.png

Here, I'll post it again.

http://i.imgur.com/aIAPVbV.png

One more time!

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If only this had been in the game from the start maybe we wouldn't have so many terrible lazy healers. Oh well.

Such discussion over something so simple. People over reading stuff.

I main a healer (Ast) and I always dps cause I personally get bored of standing there when I can actually contribute to some extra damage.

Dpsing as a healer is a CHOICE. As long as you know and fulfill your role as you should everything is good.

I don't expect a healer to dps, if the person decides to do it ,it's great if not I'm not even bothered.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

If only this had been in the game from the start maybe we wouldn't have so many terrible lazy healers. Oh well.

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Lazies are gonna be lazy no matter what. Even newbies who start now aren't gonna give a crap about that if they want to do the bare minimum.

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Originally Posted by Melondra

The only reason why healers have the ability to DPS is so they are able to solo content, not to deal DPS in party's.

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I'll just begin by responding with this, like other people have before me:

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Originally Posted by Heartley

One more time!

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In other words, SE does intend for healers to be able to do some DPS in parties. (They also tell you to stop DPSing if the people in your party need healing.) So no, like you say it's not the primary task for healers, but it is part of their toolset. To not use that toolset because "it's not my job", is like a Monk saying, "Well, I only need to keep myself alive during solo content; in parties that's the healer's job. So I'm not going to use my Second Wind if I'm damaged and it's off cooldown."
(Note: It's a different thing altogether if a healer isn't DPSing because they don't feel confident they can pull it off without risking the other party members' lives. It's just the belligerent, "I don't care if I sit half-afk during dungeons; I'm a healer, that's the only thing I'll do," attitude from some people that I'm starting to get fed up with.)

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Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima

you have to know for a fact that your tank will survive the next hit, otherwise they'll use Hello Ground and you know what happens from there.

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Wait. I thought that was the DRG special skill that automatically Provokes the floor. ;)

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Originally Posted by Noxifer

In other words, SE does intend for healers to be able to do some DPS in parties.

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It's encouraged to DPS, but not required or enforced in any normal dungeon content.
Sure, they can if they want to, put pressing them into doing more then they are willing to and they might act up.

And a stubborn healer you rubbed the wrong way is one of the last things you want in the dungeon, right behind a stubborn tank you angered.

Will This healer dps debate never end? People are gonna do what they want and no amount of arguing in an online form is gonna change that.
I want to say "let this thread die" but as soon as it does a new one will show up.

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Originally Posted by nexas506

Will This healer dps debate never end? People are gonna do what they want and no amount of arguing in an online form is gonna change that.
I want to say "let this thread die" but as soon as it does a new one will show up.

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Well, it'll never die out because:
1) Those who refuse to contribute in damage are subjected to being shunned by the community as being lazy
2) Those who suffer the brand of "lazy healer because no DPS" shift the blame elsewhere

And what better way is to defend their comfort bubble than marking the other playstyle as "unnatural"?

Um the thing people keep posting from the training center says " Maybe" so.......... But seriously if a healer doesn't dps thats fine at least you'll know they wont get the " DPS sight tunnel"

Omg i think i got it, why dps healers dont matter in the long run" pulse starts quickening" dps healers actually makes real dps able to be less efficient at their job" graps popcorn and wait for people to get salty so he can season the popcorn "

I personally do not understand those that choose to not dps. Note choose, I understand that there are some that are learning/new and I also understand that you can't dps all the time.

Im of the belief that no matter my role when I queue for a duty I should give 100% whatever it is. As a healer that means dpsing, if I didnt dps I would be standing around for large chunks of time not doing anything at all. That isn't fair on my party that Im essentially afk for a quarter of the dungeon. There is no limit to party dps, the more I add the quicker the run goes and thats a benefit for everyone involved. I am not covering for bad dps as many like to say I am simply adding to their already existing dps.

I will never force someone to dps as a healer but if they are standing there for long periods of time or hell like i've seen some healers do literally jump around the party while they fight mobs then you can't be mad when they remove you from the instance.

http://i.imgur.com/aIAPVbV.png
To all those reposting this image as a justification for mandating healer DPS, and calling anyone who disagrees lazy. I have to wonder what happened to your reading comprehension. It says "there may be time" to do some damage. Please note the phrase 'may be' indicates a possibility, not a certainty, and in the full conrext this a suggestion, not an instruction.

If it said "you must find time" of "there will be time" to do some damage, then you might have a point. But it says "there may be time", alternately you could say "there might be time". Either way the meaning is clear, there is the possibility of having the opportunity to do something. Thats all.

Using insulting language when talking about healers who put their healing responsibilities in 1st, 2nd and 3rd place, ahead of doing damage while in a party just makes you sound like Strength tanks who became addicted to their high damage numbers and villified any who did not agree. For people who play a role charged with healing, it's ironic how little you care for those putting healing first.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

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Theres one small problem with what you are saying. Even though that picture says there may be time, in practice there's nearly always time due to the way the abilities you are given as you level work combined with the way combat in this game works. Every instant heal, regen and shield you use creates a period of time where you don't need to do any extra healing, and a healer that uses those and then stands there and do nothing, or even worse, keep healing when there's no need to heal, is as bad as the ice mages, the heavy-thrustless dragoons/the no ninjutsu ninjas, the turret monk, the mute bard, or the no cooldown tank and should not only not be encouraged to keep doing so, but should actively be discouraged.

I don't think anyone asks healers to be full time DPS, but just like the chat bubble says, when there is time. And usually there is plenty of time from what I see.

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Originally Posted by Geula

I don't think anyone asks healers to be full time DPS, but just like the chat bubble says, when there is time. And usually there is plenty of time from what I see.

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Simple point. Lets say I'm healing, but I'm throwing in Aero and Stone of whichever level is available. I'm using virus, and as needed even sleeping targets. Everynow and again, i get off a couple of Holy's. But, for whatever reason I don't have MP to burn, or there isn't time, and I fall back to straight healing. Who are you to decide if there is plenty of time for me to DPS? White Mage especially needs to manage their MP since they don't have aether-flow, or the ability to drain MP from a target, sure I can pop Shroud, but that's not an instant MP gain. I have to hold MP in reserve for when some happy go lucky DD can't seem to stop standing in stupid, and needs me to save their butt.

This will be a jumble of text, bear with me.

If you are opening each encounter with Stone + Aero then you are already doing plenty, what people have gripe about is when a healer keeps the tank at 100% HP and ... nothing else usually I guess. Accurate judgement isn't something that the novice hall can teach, the result of all encounters is all your and party experience, ability and situational awareness. When there is time is when there is time, it's all situational. Like many posters said, if you know the encounters like the back of your pocket and know how to manage your MP and have a safety backbuffer in case you notice that some players might not have much or any experience with the encounter I think people will be thankful. That will also just make you a better player. I think you will also feel a bit better about your contributions. I've started levelling CJN too, when I level I do it strictly through dungeons if the queues are less than 10 minutes which for healers they are. When I'm paired up with classes with stronger single-target than AoE focusing more on DPS as healer I try to burn the first add, heal the tank and then see how the tank gets chipped at, judge at your own disclosure. You come off as if I've said that there is always time to DPS, I'm merely saying that you should use your judgement to decide if you can squeeze in some DPS.

EDIT: BTW, this thread as a whole is about healers, if you are to solo heal in a raid setting then of course just ignore if someone is complaining, don't know about Savage content though.

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White mage especially needs to manage their MP since they don't have aether-flow, or the ability to drain MP from a target, sure I can pop Shroud, but that's not an instant MP gain. I have to hold MP in reserve for when some happy go lucky DD can't seem to stop standing in stupid, and needs me to save their butt.

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I do mainly run dungeon as whm and having around 14k MP is a lot to DPS with.
I choose to DPS most of the time because "there is no need for the team be 100% HP 100% of the time" i don't care if the tank, DPS or me are hurt... As long as it doesn't reach 0 why would i burn MP to heal ?

At 60 you only need 3k mana in order to keep the tank alive without problem (not counting bene and tetra which are awesome skill)
I always stay around 5k mana dpsing and healing enough, and never had a struggle.
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Oh and of course this is not a way to run 8man content where you have to manage your mana depending of your co-heal

But i do follow the fact that a healer dpsing is not mandatory
Just frustrating to see them standing near you acting as heal bot XD

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Good advice : a DPS who go crazy eat aoe/cleave or stay far away from you, must die as painfully as possible. I have enough mana to heal the tank and unavoidable aoe on the group, not one idiot player playing around xP

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Originally Posted by Nekotee

Good advice : a DPS who go crazy eat aoe/cleave or stay far away from you, must die as painfully as possible. I have enough mana to heal the tank and unavoidable aoe on the group, not one idiot player playing around xP

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Here's the issue with that logic... Your DPS goes down (yes, for their own silly antics), that means the PARTY's DPS is lowered overall. This means it will take longer regardless to get through a dungeon/raid. A healer or SMN must then swiftcast raise, which then uses up a good chunk of MP. Probably 2 or 3 cure's worth. Those 2 or 3 cures probably could of kept that DPS up in the first place. I'd hardly call that productive. It's one thing to learn a lesson, it's another for the whole group to suffer for that lesson to be learned.

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Simple point. Lets say I'm healing, but I'm throwing in Aero and Stone of whichever level is available. I'm using virus, and as needed even sleeping targets. Everynow and again, i get off a couple of Holy's. But, for whatever reason I don't have MP to burn, or there isn't time, and I fall back to straight healing. Who are you to decide if there is plenty of time for me to DPS? White Mage especially needs to manage their MP since they don't have aether-flow, or the ability to drain MP from a target, sure I can pop Shroud, but that's not an instant MP gain. I have to hold MP in reserve for when some happy go lucky DD can't seem to stop standing in stupid, and needs me to save their butt.

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That's not the issue at hand, though. No one is arguing that you must DPS all the time, and it's completely normal if you're conservative with your MP management for the first pull of a dungeon just so you can gauge your group, see if the tank uses cooldowns correctly, see if DPS dodge AoE's. Even if you're DPSing a lot, and you feel like you're going to run out of MP, like you've stated, it's the smart move to stop DPSing because MP management is your job. A lot of people, however, pop Shroud way too late, and Assize does instantly restore a portion of your MP, so WHM does not play like it did in ARR. Pop a Divine Seal, Asylum, and Regen, and the passive healing that your tank will be getting will be really nice, freeing you up to do other things. It's also a lot easier as a WHM now to throw out an "oh shit!" heal coming right out of Cleric Stance with the inclusion of Tetragrammaton into their toolkit, which is an OtGCd heal.We're mainly talking about healers who avoid DPSing like it's the plague, to the point where they throw a heal every 10 seconds or heal bomb you every time you fall below 95% HP, and both are extremely lazy and no one should be encouraging that playstyle.

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Here's the issue with that logic... Your DPS goes down (yes, for their own silly antics), that means the PARTY's DPS is lowered overall. This means it will take longer regardless to get through a dungeon/raid. A healer or SMN must then swiftcast raise, which then uses up a good chunk of MP. Probably 2 or 3 cure's worth. Those 2 or 3 cures probably could of kept that DPS up in the first place. I'd hardly call that productive. It's one thing to learn a lesson, it's another for the whole group to suffer for that lesson to be learned.

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Tough love is sometimes needed. It is not a healer's responsibility to babysit a DPS who doesn't dodge, just like it's not that DPS's right to hold their healer hostage. Some lessons are learned the hard way.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

For people who play a role charged with healing, it's ironic how little you care for those putting healing first.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

But, for whatever reason I don't have MP to burn, or there isn't time, and I fall back to straight healing. Who are you to decide if there is plenty of time for me to DPS? White Mage especially needs to manage their MP since they don't have aether-flow, or the ability to drain MP from a target, sure I can pop Shroud, but that's not an instant MP gain. I have to hold MP in reserve for when some happy go lucky DD can't seem to stop standing in stupid, and needs me to save their butt.

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Ok first of all, stop with the strawman. I think you can do better than that. Nobody is saying that a healer should do damage at the expense of keeping people alive and keeping enough mp to do so. Nobody's saying that healing doesn't come first. I also don't see anyone trying to micromanage when and what healers should damage. What I do see being said is that healers ought to do some damage instead of standing there idling like a statue when no damage is incoming. As much I'd love for there to be something to heal in dungeons, that's not how the game works and no amount of stubborn standing-around-doing-nothing-while-others-do-the-work is going to change that.

The fact that you included your own dps as the reason to run out of mp in dungeons shows that even you don't think healing alone uses all of your mp reserve. Mp is not a reason to not touch Cleric Stance even once in a dungeon run. In the whole dungeon. There are no dungeons where it's even possible for DDs to stand in stupid 100% of the time so that point is also moot. You don't need to heal when the tank is tanking one remaining mob and no aoes are hurting the group. Or when a boss is channeling/casting an ability without hurting anyone (Brace on the last boss of Antitower or Cure IV on the last boss in LCoA Hardmode for example). These are just examples and a good healer will recognize the right moments to contribute. There is always time to not be lazy in the current dungeons.

To prove that mp and time are bad excuses, I ran Lost City of Amdapor Hard as a WHM wearing only my weapon, chest, pants and boots which brought me down to 76 average item level. My piety and healing potency were both reduced by a third. The tank was wearing the highest level freely farmable gear, i.e. 200 left side. I was still able to do some damage in every trash pull and boss fight without anyone dying. It was so laughably easy I don't know what the devs where thinking. I cba running it again but I'm pretty sure it would be possible to do it with just a weapon. If I can do it so undergeared as the job that has to watch their mp the most, then that's proof enough that anyone at the minimum item level or higher can also do it mathematically speaking. It's just a matter of wanting to step up from the bare minimum contribution just like damage dealers and tanks have a choice to do more than just their 123 combo.

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Tough love is sometimes needed. It is not a healer's responsibility to babysit a DPS who doesn't dodge, just like it's not that DPS's right to hold their healer hostage. Some lessons are learned the hard way.

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Not saying to babysit, but to simply let them die when you have the opportunity to save fairly easily, it's not worth it overall. MOST AoE's will not 1 shot a DPS. Just put a regen on them, maybe 1 cure if your tank is pretty topped off at the moment. That will save a silly DPS standing in AoE's 90% of the time. If they continue running into AoE's before the regen can bring their hp back up and your tank is needing attention, then yea, sure. But unless your DPS is literally doing pretty much nothing, he will bring in more DPS than you as a healer can do, even if you didn't need to heal. For those who want to "teach a lesson" the only thing you're doing by such is prolonging your torment by making things take longer.

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Originally Posted by Malicewolf

A healer or SMN must then swiftcast raise, which then uses up a good chunk of MP. Probably 2 or 3 cure's worth. Those 2 or 3 cures probably could of kept that DPS up in the first place.

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Who cares. DPS are expendable, no one cares if a DPS dies, and it's not uncommon to see healers riding their parses to ignore dead deeps, whether the death was caused by unavoidable AoE or not.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Who cares. DPS are expendable, no one cares if a DPS dies, and it's not uncommon to see healers riding their parses to ignore dead deeps, whether the death was caused by unavoidable AoE or not.

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DPS aren't priority, but to say they are expendable... For all those in here talking about "maximizing", i find it hilarious that you think allowing a DPS to die is more efficient... Even a bad DPS doing dmg is better than them doing none. Do take note, I said if it's reasonable to keep them up. I'm not saying save DPS's who literally take on more damage than your tank. But i've seen lazy healers not bother putting a regen on a DPS that took 1 AoE by accident and dies on the next party wide dmg because they were less than half hp for a few min.

Keeping a DPS that's practically trying to die up and sustaining your party are separate issues though. But as always, every bit helps. Considering how everyone in here is for the most part talking about "maximizing" their play, i find it hilarious you all think you'll maximize anything by letting party members die.

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Considering how everyone in here is for the most part talking about "maximizing" their play, i find it hilarious you all think you'll maximize anything by letting party members die.

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It's pretty much the same as all the complaints about strength tanks. Pretty much every healer I've met that was as obsessed with DPS as people are in this thread have proven that all they care about are maximizing their numbers/parses over everything else, even if that means failing the content. It's entertaining to read if nothing else, though

In fact, maximizing dps includes management of mana. If one thinks that the raise isn't worth it (because the DD doesn't deal enough damages, dies repeatedly), one might as well spend that very mana for dps'ing rather than raising.

From my experience, if there's nothing else to heal, things get pretty boring pretty fast. I chose the healer job to heal but again, if there's nothing to heal, then Stone II, Areo II, and the occasional holy are my friends that keep me company until the Tank or DPS start taking an enormous amount of damage. I have been in dungeons where I've saw the healer just sitting there but unlike most, I usually assume that they're new and aren't comfortable with stance dancing or just like doing the bare minimum to past. I never feel the need to reprimand them for doing their job 50% since in the long run, the dungeon will get done...;it'll just take 50% longer than if the healer came into the dungeon 100% full throttle ready with heals and some offensive magic.

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as people are in this thread have proven that all they care about are maximizing their numbers/parses over everything else, even if that means failing the content. It's entertaining to read if nothing else, though

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I'm not sure how "you should DPS during the ample downtime you have as a healer" translates into "maximize your numbers over everything else" for you. There is not one single person in this thread that is claiming the absurdity you're stating.

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Originally Posted by Arrius

It's encouraged to DPS, but not required or enforced in any normal dungeon content.
Sure, they can if they want to, put pressing them into doing more then they are willing to and they might act up.

And a stubborn healer you rubbed the wrong way is one of the last things you want in the dungeon, right behind a stubborn tank you angered.

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Oh, I agree that it shouldn't be required (encouraged, yeah, but not demanded), but it does kind of mean you're not playing your role to its full potential. I tend not to comment on healers not dpsing, even if it does kind of irk me when it's someone who stands there for ten to fifteen seconds between each heal cast ^^; However, I know people who don't heal that often and I know what it's like to be relatively new to a place (or having taken a break and gotten rusty), so I don't want to be all rude.

Same with stance-dancing tanks. It's not required, even if it ups dps. (Although that was made more risky and less effective with 3.2) Done incorrectly, it means the tank fails her primary job of keeping aggro and usually leads to a wipe. Done correctly, it means the fight goes much quicker.

But the healers who go "no, never going to heal outside of solo content, because that's not my job :<" kind of remind me of "ice mages". Sure, stuff gets done, but... Meh. To me, they're just as annoying as the healers (or dps) who go pulling more mobs without making sure the tank is comfortable with actually holding them. Especially in low-level dungeons before most classes get their AoE damage >.< (Well, okay, the "just a few mobs more" non-tanks win the annoyance league.)