Cash shop confirmed

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Originally Posted by gorror

The decision to add a cash shop is very anti-consumer, as a consumer you should be against such a change.

Let me ask you a question, would you rather pay $5 for a mount or earn the same mount in game?

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I would rather pay $5 and get my mount.

Have you even tried to farm one of those EX pony mounts? It's pretty much the only reason I join EX primal when I see them since I don't need any of the gear. I think I have spent close to 200 hours farming EX primals, I have seen 5 ponies drop. I did not win the roll on any of them. Its a 1% drop rate and if it drops you have to beat out 7 other people. The EX primal mount drop system is so bad rewards 1 person because they were lucky. When you see a primal mount you don't think that person is so skilled and dedicated to playing FFXIV they got that mount you think well they got super lucky.

Did I enjoy wasting 200 hours of my life and have nothing to show for it? No I did not. Would I prefer to waste less then 1 hour of my time to earn $5 and get a mount, sure would.

I think the white knights dont realize the damage of this. This isnt just some unnecesary optional service (strictly speaking, everything in this game is unnecesary, even playing it). This might be the start of a very bad history with very bad results arround pretty much everywhere.


First and most important,it moves resources and content away from the game. The very sleipnir mount or scions minions should all be ingame awards for raids, trials and events.
Now this potential awards are now behind a paywall.

Second, it creates content outside the limits of the game by giving payers content players will not get to anyway but through paying, said otherwise, not all players will be able to access 100% of the game without paying which is very diferent from retainer, fantasia and posible change name services, which are more of an account optional services that ingame content.

And third, it creates an antecedent for a very scary road ahead that really, no who wants to see this game shine, wants it to take. They said no cash shop in the past, now this. They said now that no pay to win, in a few months we will see potion bundles, exp bonuses, echo buff tickets, and more and more exclusive content behind a paywall that should be in the game in the first place cause we are paying already for it.

Cash shop is not a good idea if it brings exclusive content, cash shop should be limited to.

1.- Past event gear 2 months or older since they were added.
2.- In game mounts/minions 6 months or older since they were added.
3.- Added the account services to this, Fantasia, Retainers and future Name Change.

And thats it. No exclusive nothing, no mounts in game for cash without a good time has passed since implementation. So players still have access to a 100% of the game, they can still win their mounts/minions and devs are motivated to work and create content for adding later to the cash shop instead of having an easy way out and just put things that should be in game in the first place there.

Anyone who likes this game is against this kind of cash shop.

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Originally Posted by Dwill

Or some people have an understanding of how businesses works and/or have more disposable income. People assume everything that's going to be in the cash shop would have been in game regardless but the thing is that a lot of this stuff can be sold because people are willing to pay for them.

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These things would be in game if they weren't in the cash shop because that's how it's been for the entirety of this games life. Understanding business has nothing to do with this. It's not a question of why they are doing it. It's that they are ripping us off.

It's as simple as asking if you want to get something for free or do you want to pay for it. If someone is saying they would rather pay for something then to get it for free, there's no hope for that person

In my opinion nothing should be in the cash shop that cannot be obtained in game. A primal mount is hard to get but it can at least be obtained In game for no extra money. If the only way to get an item is by paying then that just wrong for your fans.
But I would rather have no cash shop at all

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

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I'm sorry but I have difficulty taking anyone who uses the "You're a white knight because you have a different opinion" argument and the True Scotsman fallacy. The rest of your argument is based on conjecture anyway.

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Originally Posted by IveraIvalice

These things would be in game if they weren't in the cash shop because that's how it's been for the entirety of this games life. Understanding business has nothing to do with this. It's not a question of why they are doing it. It's that they are ripping us off.

It's as simple as asking if you want to get something for free or do you want to pay for it. If someone is saying they would rather pay for something then to get it for free, there's no hope for that person

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They aren't ripping anyone off because they aren't forcing anyone to buy them. Square Enix is a For Profit company, what's hard to grasp that a company that was in the red wants to get some more funds by providing a service that plenty of people want.

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

No, you are a White Knight cause you are defending a decission that is hurting us players, FFXIV dev team and the game itself.

The rest of my argument are conjectures, is just my conjeture that sleipnir mount and scions minions are cash items exclusive items. Just my imaginations, that images on the web, all product of my mind.

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And you based your judgement on pure conjectures and fear mongering while calling me a white knight because I beg to differ. So no, you don't deserve to be taken seriously.

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Originally Posted by Dwill

I'm sorry but I have difficulty taking anyone who uses the "You're a white knight because you have a different opinion" argument and the True Scotsman fallacy. The rest of your argument is based on conjecture anyway.

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No, you are a White Knight cause you are defending a decission that is hurting us players, FFXIV dev team and the game itself.

The rest of my argument are conjectures, is just my conjeture that sleipnir mount and scions minions are cash items exclusive items. Just my imaginations, that images on the web, all product of my mind.

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

Anyone who likes this game is against this kind of cash shop.

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I very much like the game and I am for the cash shop. People can have different opinions then you.

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

No, you are a White Knight cause you are defending a decission that is hurting us players, FFXIV dev team and the game itself.

The rest of my argument are conjectures, is just my conjeture that sleipnir mount and scions minions are cash items exclusive items. Just my imaginations, that images on the web, all product of my mind.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I very much like the game and I am for the cash shop. People can have different opinions then you.

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You like the game, so you want them to implement something that will hurt players, and then the game? ok.

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

No, you are a White Knight cause you are defending a decission that is hurting us players, FFXIV dev team and the game itself.

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Yeah players are so hurt without the Sleipnir mount. I think without the Sleipnir mount I am unable to clear the Final Coil of Bahamut.

Oh yeah crap I don't have some of the 1.0 items and any EX Primal mounts, maybe that's why despite clearing SCoB since Patch 2.2 I have yet to see the HA bow and the aiming chest to date.

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

You like the game, so you want them to implement something that will hurt players, and then the game? ok.

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To me it makes the game better and more enjoyable if I can spend $5 to get a mount that I really want. Instead of spending 200+ hours trying to farm it and have nothing to show for it due to 1% drop rates and losing the rolls.