Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

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Originally Posted by Xlree

During the last phase of turn 9 when everyone stacks in front of the boss. Your fire tether and thunderstruck go to the back, meaning everyone else is in front of the boss and attacking from the front.

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Well ... you can definitely do better than that. I mean your ranged dps can go on the side rather than behind and it let you either left / right flank or behind to dps all the time without havin to hit from the front whatsoever.

Keep in mind that Thunder / Fire aoes are pretty small so you can totally be on the flank when someone is behind Nael. Only tricky part would be to refresh IDC when someone got thunder but usually its "fine"

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Originally Posted by Tetsuya

I was working around on the Gear Calculator recently and looked at other people's Gear Setup's so I'd like to hear your opinion about this Set I've constructed. Is it good or bad? Any advice what to switch out or aim for?

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/NBQW

I hope the Link works as intended.
Thanks in Advance!

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How about that looks like the exact gear I had on a week ago, So .... did you like look at my shit then post it as a set you made lol kinda weird.

Well, one dragoon not so far behind now.. Finally downed t6 with the FC last night, my worst run all night but we got the clear so I guess that's all that matters for the mean time. Caster loots ;;

I was going to see if you guys had and DRG specific tips for T7, but after a few practice runs and watching a few videos, it doesn't seem that hard for melee. Dealing with shriek seems like it will be the toughest thing, outside of just burning down adds in time.

Yeah burn normally Melusine at the start with all your jumps and dont use Spineshatter until the 3rd Lamia is beein pulled, for obvious reason :)

Dps super hard the first two (Ir should be up for the first add, BfB for the 2nd), when the tank is about to move to get the third add you just spineshatter dive back to Mel, put your 3 dots and then dps the add.

Keep Elusive for shriek ofc

You can also save DfD to come back from a shriek instead of usin it on the first add at 60% that will be close to melusine

wich is best setup for gaeblog novus? wich stats i have to add? just crit and det?

A tip for the start burst rotation in t7..don't use dfd at the end of your burst..unless you know for sure a ren isn't going to spawn on the tank. Whoops accidental aggro!

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Originally Posted by RachaelMarie22

A tip for the start burst rotation in t7..don't use dfd at the end of your burst..unless you know for sure a ren isn't going to spawn on the tank. Whoops accidental aggro!

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Haha that sounds like a noobish thing to do (ie, something I would do xD)

Thanks for the tips Rachael and Syg!

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Originally Posted by Oscurodrago

wich is best setup for gaeblog novus? wich stats i have to add? just crit and det?

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The highest DPS build will be 44 Crit/31 Det.. I've personally been considering 31 Det/22 Crit/22 Acc, but I'm not to the point of being locked in to anything just yet.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

Haha that sounds like a noobish thing to do (ie, something I would do xD)

Thanks for the tips Rachael and Syg!



The highest DPS build will be 44 Crit/31 Det.. I've personally been considering 31 Det/22 Crit/22 Acc, but I'm not to the point of being locked in to anything just yet.

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SSD should be used early in your starting burst, it will CD nicely when 2nd add spawns

Make sure at least PB is refreshed on boss before moving off when first add spawns. After first add dies and shriek is happening, don't forget to drop PB on boss and possibly start ID before SSD onto 2nd add (provided shriek isn't on you).

Depending on your raid's arrangement (my MT pulls 2nd add to the boss after circle strike and tail swipe, allowing OT to run to the other side and pull in the 3rd add before 2nd shriek) DFD to be used to gap close on 2nd or 3rd add. Same thing as before once 2nd add dies, back on boss drop PB and possibly HT and ID before going on 3rd add if OT pulls add next to boss for shriek.

Main purpose to stay onto at least something you can attack all the time for T7.

SSD should also cooldown by the time archers spawn so use it wisely (only 1 jump for this phase)

If you do not have elusive jump and shriek is on you, sprint immediately unless you move super early. You'll end up still having some TP after shriek is over to fight the boss since you're not doing anything for that 8+ seconds

Remember to LB the final add, and turn away from petrification.

That's about all to turn 7 for melee

BTW my FC/raid just cleared T9 with me on 550 accuracy... still working on not attacking from the front though as raid's not that familiar yet with the mechanics... pulled roughly 306 DPS on i110 weapon. XD

Okay! So I haven't posted here in a while, but.. getting some new gear slowly. D: Just wanted to know what setup I should use :<

So here's my gear!

i106 ATM.

Liberator
High Allagan Mask
Astrum Mail
Astrum Armguards
Astrum Belt
Weathered Astrum Hose
Weathered Astrum Sabatons

Gloam Choker
High Allagan Earring
Hero's Bracelet of Slaying (Coil still hasn't dropped it or the ring QQ)
Allagan Ring of Maiming
Gloam Ring

I have the High Allagan Gauntlets of Maiming and just got the High Allagan Sabatons of Maiming. Really was hoping T8 would drop the HA Pants and then I could just throw the boots on as well and have enough accuracy, but alas :(

Stat wise with the above setup; 575 Strength, 497 Accuracy, 322 Crit, 300 Det.

Thoughts? :> Thanks guys!

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Originally Posted by Sygmaelle

Yeah burn normally Melusine at the start with all your jumps and dont use Spineshatter until the 3rd Lamia is beein pulled, for obvious reason :)

Dps super hard the first two (Ir should be up for the first add, BfB for the 2nd), when the tank is about to move to get the third add you just spineshatter dive back to Mel, put your 3 dots and then dps the add.

Keep Elusive for shriek ofc

You can also save DfD to come back from a shriek instead of usin it on the first add at 60% that will be close to melusine

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Dear Sygmaelle,

I'm fairly new to Dragoon. And possibly I'll be showing up soon as a drg due to savage t6. Would be you be kind enough to enlighten me with your drg rotation? I know this question has been asked alot. But your anticipation would be highly appreciated. Thanks

Gonna get a crafted belt. I'm trying to cut back on accuracy and the weathered one is such a pos. Whats the optimal melds if I don't want accuracy on it? Just max det/crit?

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Originally Posted by Spartan117

SSD should be used early in your starting burst, it will CD nicely when 2nd add spawns

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Yeah its what I meant but I expressed it badly :p

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And possibly I'll be showing up soon as a drg due to savage t6. Would be you be kind enough to enlighten me with your drg rotation?

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Thing is I really don't use the initial rotation posted on this forum because there is better in term of potency / burst damage, I can break 600+ dps easily with a xpot. Otherwise after that initial rotation I just follow the IDC - P - TTT road that everyone is doin I guess, just makin sure that every single thing that have to be got at least 1 dot on top of the initial target.

In turn 6 its so particular because depending of what you encounter you can "cheat" a bit in order to keep real high damage (notably on bee + bulb + rafflesia on the regular T6, hello doomspike), but in Savage for now Im still tryin to figure out how to reach 400 in the first phase before swarm and so far I've not really been reachin that, more like 340

Its pretty complicated to keep high dps in Savage t6 especially when you got bulbs showin up at an inappropriate time, but, for the few advices in Savage, you have to actually be sure that IDC and Phleb are on the boss before the second half of the Blighted bouquet beein casted (you know, the castbar) at the very first one, or you re already out in term of dps

If you do phlebo before it reach the half of the cast you ll be just fine aslong you sheet your weapon after its done. After that its a game of keepin your dots up, doin as much TTT as you can and if you re not the target of devour, the whole trick is to be at doomspike range to not be swallowed and dps rafflesia like that until she like levitate in the air when shes doin floral trap.

Then you re good to go back on the boss to dps normally again.

After that well its more of a traditionnal dps kind of thing with all the slugs / super slugs / rafflesia

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Originally Posted by Sygmaelle

Thing is I really don't use the initial rotation posted on this forum because there is better in term of potency / burst damage, I can break 600+ dps easily with a xpot.

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But is an opening burst of 600+ DPS really considered to be kind of exceptional? Even in iLvl 100 gear with an iLvl 95 spear I often break 500 on my opening burst (can't pull that off reliably, but it does happen) without using X-Pot whatsoever, so I can't imagine that bursting for 600+ DPS is all that hard in almost BiS gear with iLvl 110 weapon or even HA spear especially considering the usage of an X-Pot to reach those numbers.

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Originally Posted by SolarMisae

Gonna get a crafted belt. I'm trying to cut back on accuracy and the weathered one is such a pos. Whats the optimal melds if I don't want accuracy on it? Just max det/crit?

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The cap for a full melded Wolfram Belt HQ are: Accuracy 16 - Critical Hit Rate 16 - Determination 11 - Skill Speed 16. My meld http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/2245036/ it's one point away from cap for Critical Hit Rate (+15) and Accuracy (+15). You can put a Savage Aim Materia IV instead of a III to get that single missing point of Critical Hit Rate or get another Savage Aim Materia III in another slot instead of put accuracy. By the way, in my personal opinion, I would keep the accuracy on the crafted belt because in the long run you're going to want it in that slot.

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Originally Posted by SolarMisae

Gonna get a crafted belt. I'm trying to cut back on accuracy and the weathered one is such a pos. Whats the optimal melds if I don't want accuracy on it? Just max det/crit?

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Yea if you don't want the accuracy, though I think this belt is perfect for it, just get your 2 x VI Crit and 1 x III Det.. You could use VI, III, and I crit materia to cap instead of 2 x VI since you aren't concerned with saving space for accuracy.

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Originally Posted by Spartan117

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Thanks, Spartan. Hoping all works out with this new static group, everyone has cleared t6 and some have cleared t7. I just want to get to work on 7, wiping on 6 for the month or so has really tested my patience with this game... >.<

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Originally Posted by Vodomir

(can't pull that off reliably, but it does happen) without using X-Pot whatsoever, so I can't imagine that bursting for 600+ DPS is all that hard in almost BiS gear with iLvl 110 weapon or even HA spear especially considering the usage of an X-Pot to reach those numbers.

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It is quite hard to "reach" 600+ (lets say, at least 630+) just because, as you said you absolutely can't control if its gonna happen or not : it purely rely on the number of crits you ll do. Ofc its entirely doable to almost reach 700 in a really exceptionnal circumstance, aka, you do crits on everything from like Chaos Thrust to full thrust and that also include jump / ssd / dfd.

So breaking 600+ reliably without havin a lot of crits is good, yeah.

Dont forget that the BiS at 472 acc only have 330 det. By tweakin a bit and reachin 370 / 80 det you ll do way more

And what would that opening rotation be, in full detail?

Its something that stay within the free company, I can assure you that its fully workin since it have + 364.1 combat potency compared to what most of people use (the classic HT-IR-ID-BFB-Dis-Sweep-CT-PS-Ph-Jump-TT-VT-LS-FT-HT-TT-VT-Sweep one).

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Originally Posted by Sygmaelle

Its something that stay within the free company, I can assure you that its fully workin since it have + 364.1 combat potency compared to what most of people use (the classic HT-IR-ID-BFB-Dis-Sweep-CT-PS-Ph-Jump-TT-VT-LS-FT-HT-TT-VT-Sweep one).

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Usually close to pulling off tanks using the "classic" rotation as it is, can't imagine what a more potent opener would do to them xD

The only way to change the rotation up, that I can think of at least, would be ignoring the first IDC, then catching up to apply before B4B wears off.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

Usually close to pulling off tanks using the "classic" rotation as it is, can't imagine what a more potent opener would do to them xD

The only way to change the rotation up, that I can think of at least, would be ignoring the first IDC, then catching up to apply before B4B wears off.

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Nah note quite, the opening is more or less the same, its just that it entirely change after full thrust until blood for blood drop.

And yeah I know for the agro ;p

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Originally Posted by Sygmaelle

Its something that stay within the free company

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Oh well thanks for mentioning it, then.

Well it still give an opportunity to think about it.

Blood for blood is quite an obscure cooldown that allow to "bypass" some things that you'd consider to do, or that just make sense in general while allowin you to have more dps and most importantly, permit you to sustain it at the same time if you take the time to experiment with it :) so, yeah just try to tweak the opening with that in mind and you ll find pretty quickly, I guess

And that'd be all for that part ^^

I only use the ability part of the rotation, since that's really the best for clipping/keeping everything up. My off-GCD usage is almost entirely different though, as I'm sure most of ours is, so we probably aren't too far off either way. Like the whole popping IR and B4B so early, I usually wait until I hit the positionals, because missing them throws off the buff timing. Except that I started using potions, so when I use them I have to pop IR earlier so I can get B4B and the potion effect on CT and Ph.

Here's my debatable opener that I got used to. I've never seen the original 24 or whatever rotation but I do have a general idea of what it is.

HT-IR-Phleb-BfB-ID-PS-Dis-xPot-CT-Jump-TT-Leg-VT-LS-FT-DfD-PoisonPot > Refresh HT+Phleb and so on.

I usually get to 600 on this initial rotation i106 with liberator. IIRC, I've even gotten close to 650 with almost everything being a critical hit. It's not the best rotation/initiation, most likely but it's what I'm used to. It allows me to refresh HT and Phleb at the same time lol
CONSTRUCTIVE Criticisms greatly appreciated

Do poison pots and str pots not have the same CD? I thought they did..

Slightly OT, there was a hell of a deal on mega str pots last week.. I bought 40 at 50-100 gil each.. Went back the other night to buy some, 2k a pop.. So mad!! I should of bought all of them last week lol


Orlandeu - how are your timers lining up? Are you clipping anything or letting it wear off before re-application? I honestly haven't messed around with the "classic" rotation that much, just because everything lines up so perfectly. Maybe there is a higher-DPS opener, just seems like it would throw everything off.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

Do poison pots and str pots not have the same CD? I thought they did..

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Nope poison pots have their own cd and do not share with x-pots. HQ potent poisoning pots have a 1min48sec cd so use em as often as they're up like another ogcd. :)

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Originally Posted by Sygmaelle

Its something that stay within the free company, I can assure you that its fully workin since it have + 364.1 combat potency compared to what most of people use (the classic HT-IR-ID-BFB-Dis-Sweep-CT-PS-Ph-Jump-TT-VT-LS-FT-HT-TT-VT-Sweep one).

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The most net potency you can gain from changing the rotation after FT is around 150, assuming we clip Phlebotomize, unless we're counting some coefficient from STR potions or IR I'm unaware of the value of.

HT+B4B-ID+IR-Dis+Pot-CT+PS,sweep-PH+jump-TT+Drgfire-VT+LS-FT+spine(if not used on pull) just do that and you will break 600 burst everytime if geared correctly.

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Originally Posted by Sygmaelle

Well it still give an opportunity to think about it.

Blood for blood is quite an obscure cooldown that allow to "bypass" some things that you'd consider to do, or that just make sense in general while allowin you to have more dps and most importantly, permit you to sustain it at the same time if you take the time to experiment with it :) so, yeah just try to tweak the opening with that in mind and you ll find pretty quickly, I guess

And that'd be all for that part ^^

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I think I'll meditate on this post for the entire day till I find out what you mean.


Anyhow guys, I finally started training T9 yesterday - seems to be a hella fight. As a DRG is there anything I might want to know, like how I should deal with Chariot and stuff like that?

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Originally Posted by SolarMisae

Nope poison pots have their own cd and do not share with x-pots. HQ potent poisoning pots have a 1min48sec cd so use em as often as they're up like another ogcd. :)

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Can multiple party members use poison pots at the same time or can you only have one poison effect on the enemy at a time?

EDIT: NVM think I found it.. Looks like multiple people can use them

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Originally Posted by ColdestHeaven

As a DRG is there anything I might want to know, like how I should deal with Chariot and stuff like that?

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For T9 here are something's to consider:
1) the DPS check starts at the very beginning of the fight. Never stop hitting the boss... Ever.
2) save SSD for the first iron chariot. If you did your rotation right, you'll land an ID drive right as she jumps for iron chariot. You then have time to SSD over to her, throw up the CT, run to middle. Once she turns to face group you can run out to pop HT and phleb as she lands back on tank
3) also watch out for exploding tank. The tank will explode a few seconds after a skill she uses I forget which, if you use jump during explosion it triggers as you being in aoe and will one shot you.

The rest is all preference and how your group decide to do the mechanics. We solo tank it and only get one add on heavens fall and four meteors (very close to pushing three meteors :)

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Originally Posted by ColdestHeaven

Anyhow guys, I finally started training T9 yesterday - seems to be a hella fight. As a DRG is there anything I might want to know, like how I should deal with Chariot and stuff like that?

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I'm not the drg in my static, but I've noticed that if our drg doesn't have the mark for Thermionic Beam he doesn't rush over to stack in the middle at all, he ssd on him, does the next attack in his combo, dodges chariot and tries to stack, if he makes it, great, if not it's okay too.

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Originally Posted by Krr

The most net potency you can gain from changing the rotation after FT is around 150, assuming we clip Phlebotomize, unless we're counting some coefficient from STR potions or IR I'm unaware of the value of.

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364.1 and thats not a wrong number =)

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Originally Posted by Sygmaelle

Its something that stay within the free company, I can assure you that its fully workin since it have + 364.1 combat potency compared to what most of people use (the classic HT-IR-ID-BFB-Dis-Sweep-CT-PS-Ph-Jump-TT-VT-LS-FT-HT-TT-VT-Sweep one).

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Thanks for keeping it a secret on my behalf. +1

It really doesn't do the DRG community any good if you're holding back information on a thread that exists solely for the purpose of improving dragoons out there.
Lest we forget monks are still the kings of single-target dps.

About how much dps should an i96 dragoon with a liberator(110) do in turn 6?

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Originally Posted by Hakmatic

HT+B4B-ID+IR-Dis+Pot-CT+PS,sweep-PH+jump-TT+Drgfire-VT+LS-FT+spine(if not used on pull) just do that and you will break 600 burst everytime if geared correctly.

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This is almost the exact opener that I use (swap B4B and IR) and I'm pretty sure that there is nothing better. I seriously doubt that any changes made to the regular rotation after that point would result in anything but a dps loss.

This opener will regularly burst over 1000 depending on crits.

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Originally Posted by natyusha

This is almost the exact opener that I use (swap B4B and IR) and I'm pretty sure that there is nothing better. I seriously doubt that any changes made to the regular rotation after that point would result in anything but a dps loss.

This opener will regularly burst over 1000 depending on crits.

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Wouldn't you keep bfb where it is? Popping IR after is better I'd have thought, because it is up for less time so makes sense not to use it first.

They also mean 600 dps over the burst rotation which is good to get. 1000 dps over the whole burst? Wat. Lol.

No, you want IR to drop before the LS+FT so you're not wasting a potential critical hit.

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Originally Posted by EllPii

It really doesn't do the DRG community any good if you're holding back information on a thread that exists solely for the purpose of improving dragoons out there.

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My thoughts exactly. Stay in your FC forum if you want to circlejerk. Posting about some high-DPS opener, and then not saying what it is, is less than useless.

You think you've done 1/100th as much for the advancement of dragoons as EMX? Probably not, and he shared his ass off.

Goobers.