With Apologies to Sena Bryer

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Originally Posted by Ayalu

So you disregard the one who creates the game, who also acts as designer for character, story and music.
Because you dislike her being Trans. :)

Or on what basis do you think you reasonable can claim your opinion over the very direct confirmation made be the person who made the character?

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Weird. I'm playing Accent core and he keeps calling himself a boy when people mistake him for a girl.

Honestly while we can all agree that any form of harassment is awful, from the few posts I read from Sena I feel like she's also not simply voicing her opinions, which would be fine, but she's seems to be kinda instigating? starting shit? needlessly controversial?

Like there are way to voice your opinion without provoking people

That's my feeling when I read her at least, and I feel she needs a break from social media especially if she's indeed getting death threats and law enforcement are investigating on the case

Like the whole post about Bridget while she voices a character that is female and not trans is wild to me

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Originally Posted by DoomRyder

Weird. I'm playing Accent core and he keeps calling himself a boy when people mistake him for a girl.

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I mean obviously its in the text.... "This is where the Arcade Mode story begins. After her exchanges with Goldlewis and Ky, Bridget faces parts of herself she has tried to ignore, and makes a big decision for herself.
I hope that all of you will watch over her path after her courageous choice to stay true to her own feelings" that happend in strife which is the newest game.

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Originally Posted by Karious

Bridget is not trans.

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don't get baited, it's not worth it

Question.
Regardless of what Bridgett is, who is she to determine what kind of VA a character gets? Why the identity has to match?

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Originally Posted by Ayalu

So you disregard the one who creates the game, who also acts as designer for character, story and music.
Because you dislike her being Trans. :)

Or on what basis do you think you reasonable can claim your opinion over the very direct confirmation made be the person who made the character?

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Wouldn't be the first creator that has made stupid decisions with their characters. Let's butcher a character's personality, and retcon everything that came before it, because "reasons". Yeah, no. Their opinion can be discarded, just like every other dog water sequel that trashes established lore.

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Originally Posted by Karious

I don't care what Ishiwatara has to say.

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can't see word "trans" anywhere. why didn't he call bidget trans, if the point was to elucidate her feelings about herself?

i suspect: maybe japanese cultural pov (which the creator might have more likely than any other - correct if im wrong <3) handles what other places call "trans" differently. we have all seen it:
busybodies in university x learn of hijra/2spirit/oshtisch/sipiniq/koekchuch/mahu/etc and think "heureka, all of that = trans!", because they see them as analogs. as if the cultural layer was so insignificant. of course it isn't.

not saying i am some kind of expert, no no no. but i was under understanding that japan, as culture, after you peel off modern/foreign stuff trying to sway it --
(not bad thing, cultures change, but it's usually truly lasting change when it's as close to organic as possible, when majority adopts the change)
-- is of that sort which for cultural cohesion would like to see their homosexuals conform. preferably by not normalizing same-sex couples, but encouraging same sex couple to look like hetero couple. so, one of them better do the social transition at least.

was under the understanding that that's common-ish in asia

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Originally Posted by Midare

Question.
Regardless of what Bridgett is, who is she to determine what kind of VA a character gets? Why the identity has to match?

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the thing is tho a while ago. Some va voiced that you should only play voice a role if you are in that group. they want it to be as authentic to the character.

But to answer your question. it truly doesn't matter

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Originally Posted by Axxion

the thing is tho a while ago. Some va voiced that you should only play voice a role if you are in that group. they want it to be as authentic to the character.

But to answer your question. it truly doesn't matter

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Agreed. It's the same as with any diversity hire. I give 0 shits what nationality/race you are. I just want whoever is best for the job.

Bridget is just a well know reverse trap.
And, like a lot of male teen/shota character, he was dubbed by a woman in Japanese.

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Originally Posted by HighlanderClone

100% this lmao.

You can clearly tell who needs to log off Twitter in these threads.

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The people who live and breathe social media will always be a strange sort of phenomenon to me. I just can't wrap my head around how anyone can spend a majority of their day on Twitter, IG, tiktok, etc. I guess for some people it's tied to their career? Meanwhile I can hardly be bothered to keep a linkedin profile updated.

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Originally Posted by Ayalu

It shouldnt be this hard to be united to say "Harassment, Threads and potential Doxxing are bad and wrong".

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Save your precious little breath Ayala. You could explain every which way how 1 + 1 = 2, and there are individuals currently present who’ll argue to the death it =‘s 5. It’s not worth your time.

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Originally Posted by Ayalu

I also was the victim of false accusation and lies.
But Sena doesnt want a angry mob descending on someone else, she condemned it herself on twitter.

It shouldnt be this hard to be united to say "Harassment, Threads and potential Doxxing are bad and wrong".

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It IS wrong. But prove that it's happening. Until I see proof, I'm going to believe that they're the same hateful, victimhood seeking person they've shown themselves to be, and that they're lying for more victim points.

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Originally Posted by Swordsman

The people who live and breathe social media will always be a strange sort of phenomenon to me. I just can't wrap my head around how anyone can spend a majority of their day on Twitter, IG, tiktok, etc. I guess for some people it's tied to their career? Meanwhile I can hardly be bothered to keep a linkedin profile updated.

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In the case of Sena it probably is tied to her career. Connections, relevance and all that, even if we wish it was all skill-based. But then the question becomes if it is tied to your career, why be so inflammatory online? It just seems foolhardy to me.

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Originally Posted by Isala

It IS wrong. But prove that it's happening. Until I see proof, I'm going to believe that they're the same hateful, victimhood seeking person they've shown themselves to be, and that they're lying for more victim points.

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Given the stories of random devs getting death threats and threats against their families, just for being a dev on a game some gamers didn't like - I can definitely believe a Trans voice actor in a leading role for a huge MMO who did a bad job would have received at least one threat like this. Especially with her personality and the things she posts that are just so divisive and antagonistic towards women.

I don't think believability is my issue here. If I had to bet a large sum of money, I'd be that she received at least one threat.

I do think if they were that concerned they wouldn't be posting photos of their locations and this is mostly about victimhood points though.

I thought the VA was ... okaaay? Maybe? Nasally voice and fake, inconsistent accent notwithstanding.

The way she was written, too, made me roll my eyes quite a bit. The whole "my super power is that I love peace so much" and "I'll bring happiness to everyone". I get that she was supposed to be the good version of the other leader but c'mon. There is naivety, and then there is being an idiot.

That being said, I don't think that's grounds to harass someone. And I don't understand the outright hatred either. At this point maybe just switch off your internet access and move on. You're making the rest of us look bad.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

That being said, I don't think that's grounds to harass someone. And I don't understand the outright hatred either. At this point maybe just switch off your internet access and move on. You're making the rest of us look bad.

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Agree about the part where she shouldn't be harassed, but if she had a kind personality on Twitter she would get more support - even with a bad performance.

As is, she just posts about taking jobs away from CIS women, bemoaning other people getting support, and now starting low-key harassment campaigns against other voice actors who aren't striking. This makes her very unlikeable to many people.

The XIV community cancelled Susan Calloway for far less...

Sena is pretty outspoken and proudly sexist and misogynistic against women, that is a good point. That could agitate some of those crazy lefty feminists pretty good.

If you don't like her performance, the Japanese audio is easily switched on.

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Originally Posted by Ashpd

Maybe yes, or maybe this.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...acb5c2a3de5ae&

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There's always talks of "dog whistles" but this actually feels like one, tipping off anyone to look out for people to get new VA roles just to go after them, scummy

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Originally Posted by Karious

Bridget is not trans.

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According to some developers Bridget was always meant to he trans.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/int...gender/.191273

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

According to some developers Bridget was always meant to he trans.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/int...gender/.191273

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Just like there were always Female Custodes, right? Not like people can lie and make up crap to appease the vocal minority hate mob, right?

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Originally Posted by Isala

Just like there were always Female Custodes, right? Not like people can lie and make up crap to appease the vocal minority hate mob, right?

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Sure people lie but we have no real way to know if they are lying or not. They are the developers and creators of the game world so they get final as to what is what about their characters and game.

Say Bridget was not always meant to be trans, fine they lied about that. Does not change they are trans now according to the developers.

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

Sure people lie but we have no real way to know if they are lying or not. They are the developers and creators of the game world so they get final as to what is what about their characters and game.

Say Bridget was not always meant to be trans, fine they lied about that. Does not change they are trans now according to the developers.

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Doesn't change the fact that we don't have to accept that, and can disregard that and any future games until they stop lying, now does it?

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

According to some developers Bridget was always meant to he trans.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/int...gender/.191273

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Yeah, then why the bio for his first appearance stat that it was a boy pressurized by his village tradition to dress as a Nun?
He always was a reverse trap.... You can even clearly see male genital on him in the older game.

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There is also a ton of Ero Doujin starring him, Shota and BL

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Originally Posted by Isala

Doesn't change the fact that we don't have to accept that, and can disregard that and any future games until they stop lying, now does it?

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You don't have to accept it, and you can ignore the game all you want in hopes of change all of that is within your right. What is messed up is ignoring the fact currently right now they are trans. That is what the developers wishes and they made that change. Until they change it back they are trans.

Also it is Guilty Gear lol they will be fine either way with our without what us plebs think on the subject.

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Originally Posted by Lorika

Yeah, then why the bio for his first appearance stat that it was a boy pressurized by his village tradition to dress as a Nun?
He always was a reverse trap.... You can even clearly see male genital on him in the older game.

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There is also a ton of Ero Doujin starring him, Shota and BL

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As per the interview they just felt it was not the right time, you can think they line that they were always meant to be trans was a lie, but does not change the fact they are trans now as per the developers. We have no way to really say if they are lying, we can speculate, question, and press x for doubt. That is all we can do, we cannot confirm if he lied about Bridget was always intended to be Trans but wanted to wait for the right moment to come off as some progressive developer. That is like the legit important part of this, what matters now is Bridget is trans. People can hate it, boycott the game or whatever does not change the fact they are trans currently. Who gives a shit either way Bridget is still S tier in terms of kit and gameplay. Their gender is the least important aspect of their character in a fighting a game.

All I am saying is I do not get why people are trying to deny some level of respenstation. I do not personally care about respenstation, but clearly some people do. In this case it is such a non issue cause said change does not alter their gameplay on any level. Who cares if they lied about this shit, the game is still great.

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Originally Posted by Lorika

Yeah, then why the bio for his first appearance stat that it was a boy pressurized by his village tradition to dress as a Nun?
He always was a reverse trap.... You can even clearly see male genital on him in the older game.

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Giggity giggity.

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

You don't have to accept it, and you can ignore the game all you want in hopes of change all of that is within your right. What is messed up is ignoring the fact currently right now they are trans. That is what the developers wishes and they made that change. Until they change it back they are trans.

Also it is Guilty Gear lol they will be fine either way with our without what us plebs think on the subject.

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Bridget has always been a boy. As someone who has been around since the game's beginning, he was meant to be a tragedy case for a boy being raised as a girl due to his village's culture around boys and girls.

Now, if you wish for him to be considered trans now, you have to reason then that the devs are saying that he became trans due to the abuse of his family forcing him to be a girl. If you want that as your hill to die on, be my guess. :)

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Originally Posted by MartinFreeman

Giggity giggity.


Bridget has always been a boy. As someone who has been around since the game's beginning, he was meant to be a tragedy case for a boy being raised as a girl due to his village's culture around boys and girls.

Now, if you wish for him to be considered trans now, you have to reason then that the devs are saying that he became trans due to the abuse of his family forcing him to be a girl. If you want that as your hill to die on, be my guess. :)

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So, quickly weighing in on this because I think it's particularly interesting. I don't care if Bridget is trans or not, but you are correct that the whole point of the character was that they were raised as a girl despite being born a boy because their village had this whole thing about- if I remember right - men bringing bad luck. The whole point of the character was that they didn't want that, and instead wanted to be a manly man - so it was this fun juxtaposition.

That is to say, the character was quite literally groomed into taking a sexual identity they didn't want. So it does kind of feel like going "Actually, they're trans now" is...a little bit weird, because it was indeed outlined that Bridget was abused and forced into this role that they didn't want. Narratively it can absolutely happen, but it has some very unfortunate connotations.

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Originally Posted by Karious

Bridget is not trans.

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Bruh it like ppl never play guilty gear xx2 midnight carnival. He was forced to dress as a woman cause he had no choice. Funny part when ppl call Briget a cute girl he tries to correct them or even gets angry and will tell you No im a guy..... Yeah such a fun charater ruined now.

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

According to some developers Bridget was always meant to he trans.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/int...gender/.191273

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According to some developers looking for brownie points off twitter....

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Originally Posted by SwadTheFrog

So, quickly weighing in on this because I think it's particularly interesting. I don't care if Bridget is trans or not, but you are correct that the whole point of the character was that they were raised as a girl despite being born a boy because their village had this whole thing about- if I remember right - men bringing bad luck. The whole point of the character was that they didn't want that, and instead wanted to be a manly man - so it was this fun juxtaposition.

That is to say, the character was quite literally groomed into taking a sexual identity they didn't want. So it does kind of feel like going "Actually, they're trans now" is...a little bit weird, because it was indeed outlined that Bridget was abused and forced into this role that they didn't want. Narratively it can absolutely happen, but it has some very unfortunate connotations.

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Scarily accurate to what happens to some children now, too... Seen way too many insane individuals talking about how they'd force their male children to be trans or gay.

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Originally Posted by Lorika

Yeah, then why the bio for his first appearance stat that it was a boy pressurized by his village tradition to dress as a Nun?
He always was a reverse trap.... You can even clearly see male genital on him in the older game.

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There is also a ton of Ero Doujin starring him, Shota and BL

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Well, Bridget was just breaking gender norms back in the day by being a very feminine guy. But I have the feeling, that this isn't supposed to exist anymore in the world of today. I mean, feminine guys? That can't exist, those must actually be trans right? Because being a guy who looks more soft or androgynous is impossible. You either a bulky manly man or trans.

I feel like this is a step back, actually. People used to say that it's sexist to say things like 'boys can't wear make-up' or 'girls don't play with cars'. Which is inherently true, it's sexist.
But in todays world, if someone doesn't fit the gender norm, they have to be trans right? Dangerous mindset...but unfortunately very common.

Also, this just feels like a retcon or a change to the canon to please the fans. But of course it's hard to prove. Like many things that get changed later on a whim by the directors or authors of certain games, books or movies.

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Originally Posted by MartinFreeman

Giggity giggity.


Bridget has always been a boy. As someone who has been around since the game's beginning, he was meant to be a tragedy case for a boy being raised as a girl due to his village's culture around boys and girls.

Now, if you wish for him to be considered trans now, you have to reason then that the devs are saying that he became trans due to the abuse of his family forcing him to be a girl. If you want that as your hill to die on, be my guess. :)

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You are missing my point. I do not care about the story or what have you. I do not really care much about the lore I just enjoy playing the game. My point is this, if the developers want to make changes to the game world and characters that is on them. As fans you can ignore or boycott all you want does not change the fact the change happened and trying say otherwise is weird imo.

If the developers said Bridget was an orange blob from outer space that took the form of a nun or hell they are a multi verse verse of Rosette. If that is the story element change the developers want and they want to say this was all part of their master plan from day one. I really do not see what is the point in trying to say well you guys are lying. It is their world end of the day they can do with it as they please. IF that is the story and connotation they wish to portray that is all on them.

If that is how they want to give a node to representation fine, I would not do it that way, but also Guilty Gear so this is like the least insane thing to happen lore wise.

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Originally Posted by Aniise

Well, Bridget was just breaking gender norms back in the day by being a very feminine guy. But I have the feeling, that this isn't supposed to exist anymore in the world of today. I mean, feminine guys? That can't exist, those must actually be trans right? Because being a guy who looks more soft or androgynous is impossible. You either a bulky manly man or trans.

I feel like this is a step back, actually. People used to say that it's sexist to say things like 'boys can't wear make-up' or 'girls don't play with cars'. Which is inherently true, it's sexist.
But in todays world, if someone doesn't fit the gender norm, they have to be trans right? Dangerous mindset...but unfortunately very common.

Also, this just feels like a retcon or a change to the canon to please the fans. But of course it's hard to prove. Like many things that get changed later on a whim by the directors or authors of certain games, books or movies.

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I do agree with this, but as to your final point trying to prove otherwise is kind of pointless so why bother when it is their game world and we just visiting.

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Originally Posted by Zakuyia

According to some developers looking for brownie points off twitter....

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Sure, but does that change the fact that now they are trans? That is my point. It is not our game world we can cry and whine all we want about it. We can question the motivate or reasoning. Does not change that at this point in time they are trans. Who knows it is Guilty Gear lol anything can happen.

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

You are missing my point. I do not care about the story or what have you. I do not really care much about the lore I just enjoy playing the game. My point is this, if the developers want to make changes to the game world and characters that is on them. As fans you can ignore or boycott all you want does not change the fact the change happened and trying say otherwise is weird imo.

If the developers said Bridget was an orange blob from outer space that took the form of a nun or hell they are a multi verse verse of Rosette. If that is the story element change the developers want and they want to say this was all part of their master plan from day one. I really do not see what is the point in trying to say well you guys are lying. It is their world end of the day they can do with it as they please. IF that is the story and connotation they wish to portray that is all on them.

If that is how they want to give a node to representation fine, I would not do it that way, but also Guilty Gear so this is like the least insane thing to happen lore wise.



I do agree with this, but as to your final point trying to prove otherwise is kind of pointless so why bother when it is their game world and we just visiting.



Sure, but does that change the fact that now they are trans? That is my point. It is not our game world we can cry and whine all we want about it. We can question the motivate or reasoning. Does not change that at this point in time they are trans. Who knows it is Guilty Gear lol anything can happen.

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From a 2009 Anime Expo interviw

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Bridget is a new addition. There were already other good looking and tough characters so they added a cute character. However, a lot of fighting games already had the token cute character, so they wanted something unconventional. They then made a cute character that's a guy. The big surprise for him was that it didn't matter that it was a guy! Bridget still got a huge following.

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Originally Posted by Aniise

Well, Bridget was just breaking gender norms back in the day by being a very feminine guy. But I have the feeling, that this isn't supposed to exist anymore in the world of today. I mean, feminine guys? That can't exist, those must actually be trans right? Because being a guy who looks more soft or androgynous is impossible. You either a bulky manly man or trans.

I feel like this is a step back, actually. People used to say that it's sexist to say things like 'boys can't wear make-up' or 'girls don't play with cars'. Which is inherently true, it's sexist.
But in todays world, if someone doesn't fit the gender norm, they have to be trans right? Dangerous mindset...but unfortunately very common.

Also, this just feels like a retcon or a change to the canon to please the fans. But of course it's hard to prove. Like many things that get changed later on a whim by the directors or authors of certain games, books or movies.

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In western world.... But in Japan, Fujioshi and BL Otaku still love Reverse Trap.
In fact, it's quite a classic for them.

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

You are missing my point. I do not care about the story or what have you. I do not really care much about the lore I just enjoy playing the game. My point is this, if the developers want to make changes to the game world and characters that is on them. As fans you can ignore or boycott all you want does not change the fact the change happened and trying say otherwise is weird imo.

If the developers said Bridget was an orange blob from outer space that took the form of a nun or hell they are a multi verse verse of Rosette. If that is the story element change the developers want and they want to say this was all part of their master plan from day one. I really do not see what is the point in trying to say well you guys are lying. It is their world end of the day they can do with it as they please. IF that is the story and connotation they wish to portray that is all on them.

If that is how they want to give a node to representation fine, I would not do it that way, but also Guilty Gear so this is like the least insane thing to happen lore wise.
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I know your point. I just think you are taking either being obtuse in what point I was making or you are naive to the way this all works.

I can tell you with certainty that he said that only to appease modern culture. This was a guy was greatly into visual kei aestethics back in the day. To him, bridget crossdressing was just one of the ways of breaking the usual norms, based off the metal culture he also followed. Every theme had a point. The last thing that was being thought about back then was sexual. It was all meant to be an alternative take on all the stereotypical fighter designs we got in games like Street Fighter, King of Fighters, and Mortal Kombat. You can tell by the designs of each GG character that they are meant to follow the alternative clothing style.

Nowadays, nuance is lost. I can accept that someone like him changed over the years from his younger self, but I'm not an idiot to know why he said what he said now compared to then.

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Originally Posted by Vandi

Save your precious little breath Ayala. You could explain every which way how 1 + 1 = 2, and there are individuals currently present who’ll argue to the death it =‘s 5. It’s not worth your time.

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Did I miss anyone saying threats or harassment it's ok? I hope they have been reported if that was the case.

All I've been seeing is people questioning the veracity of claims, and understandably so considering that she felt the need to quote tweet someone merely criticizing her work when making the claims, when she should know fully well that doing that such a thing is bound to cause a flood to the person.

Meanwhile, someone making fun of her forehead and she putting them on blast again, is enough for another wave of "These phobes are gross and you're great!"... over a forehead roast.

I have a forehead so wide, a plane could land on it, but I can promise you I won't claim harassment if someone made fun of it.

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Originally Posted by Lorika

From a 2009 Anime Expo interviw

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As per the ANN interview, I believe they stated they were waiting for the right time, but always intended for Bridget to be trans. We can provide past evidence that puts that claim into question, but all they would have to say is it is part of my master plan for the character. Pretty much what they said in the interview. No matter how much it smells like BS we really cannot disprove their claims that it was part of their plan from the start but they were waiting for the right moment.

All that being said my point is all of that is moot, cause at this point in time within our world Bridget is trans. Fans can make all the claims they are not, if the developers feel otherwise and made the change. Until they revert the change sorry Bridget is Trans. The reason and motive being the change can be brought into question, but to deny the character is Trans in this moment in time does not seem weird. Not because they are trans but because it is fans pretty much telling the creators how they should handle their own game world and lore. That is not our call to make, we can try to sway change or what have you but if those in power want to make the change we have two choices, ignore the changes or ignore the ame.

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

As per the ANN interview, I believe they stated they were waiting for the right time, but always intended for Bridget to be trans. We can provide past evidence that puts that claim into question, but all they would have to say is it is part of my master plan for the character. Pretty much what they said in the interview. No matter how much it smells like BS we really cannot disprove their claims that it was part of their plan from the start but they were waiting for the right moment.

All that being said my point is all of that is moot, cause at this point in time within our world Bridget is trans. Fans can make all the claims they are not, if the developers feel otherwise and made the change. Until they revert the change sorry Bridget is Trans. The reason and motive being the change can be brought into question, but to deny the character is Trans in this moment in time does not seem weird. Not because they are trans but because it is fans pretty much telling the creators how they should handle their own game world and lore. That is not our call to make, we can try to sway change or what have you but if those in power want to make the change we have two choices, ignore the changes or ignore the ame.

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Tolerance of this stupidity is why Star Wars is in the state that its in. No more.

No, Bobby, we fans are telling the creators that we aren't idiots and we know why he is saying what he is saying now. As I said, you are either willingfully naive, or you do not have the experience to know bs when you hear it.