7.0 copium has got to stop

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Originally Posted by Renathras

Hm...interesting perspective.

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Dude, don't start it again. Vel's description fits you, Vel, and Striker. None of you have the ability to gracefully admit when you've been proven wrong.

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Originally Posted by Shinkuno

Maybe shills like you should start playing other games instead so youd realize how shallow the game truly is

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Been busy playing Remnant 2 and other action RPGs which are receiving major updates due to the epic fail of Diablo 4. I see it as positive

Less time for me to spend on the forum to enjoy/bait drama. I see it as negative.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

Dude, don't start it again. Vel's description fits you, Vel, and Striker. None of you have the ability to gracefully admit when you've been proven wrong.

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I didn't say anything about you, nor will I answer your retort in-kind this evening. Only that I feel that same way you do here. And often. I gave you an olive branch and you spit on it a couple times, but I have no interest in that. I do find it interesting that someone is accusing you of what you accused me of, so perhaps we're not so different, you and I...

...I'm sure you'll say we are, but I've found in general, people are more alike than they are different. Something about coming from the same ultimate lineage. Evolution and all that.

Honestly, I more just found it ironic that you're being accused of the very thing you've accused me of.

But again, we're probably the same, you and I. Or similar enough. All the more reason to treat each other with respect. And I do feel for your exasperation having experienced it first-hand myself.

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Originally Posted by Aword3213

Been busy playing Remnant 2 and other action RPGs which are receiving major updates due to the epic fail of Diablo 4. I see it as positive

Less time for me to spend on the forum to enjoy/bait drama. I see it as negative.

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Oh dude!

Been having a blast with Remnant 2. Loved the first one and played the heck out of it with two friends. We've all been busy of late but been playing it when we can the last week and change. Such a fun game, even if I can't figure out how to dodge lasers a lot of times, lol. Love the lore and world, too. We just got to the end of the Laby and to our second world (not counting Laby) and are excited to see where it goes next. And I love supporting game companies I enjoy so they'll make more games, so this time went with the one preorder that also will have the 3 DLCs since I know I'm gonna want to get into those as well. :D

Renathras? I tend to agree with Kosh when it comes to this.

"The truth is a three edged sword"

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None of you have the ability to gracefully admit when you've been proven wrong.

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In your opinion. You will forgive me, but I place no credence in someone who sets themselves up as the arbiter of what is fact and what is not.

"The beginning of wisdom are the words "I dont know"

Something you may want to consider.

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Originally Posted by Renathras

I didn't say anything about you, nor will I answer your retort in-kind this evening. Only that I feel that same way you do here. And often. I gave you an olive branch and you spit on it a couple times, but I have no interest in that. I do find it interesting that someone is accusing you of what you accused me of, so perhaps we're not so different, you and I...

...I'm sure you'll say we are, but I've found in general, people are more alike than they are different. Something about coming from the same ultimate lineage. Evolution and all that.

Honestly, I more just found it ironic that you're being accused of the very thing you've accused me of.

But again, we're probably the same, you and I. Or similar enough. All the more reason to treat each other with respect. And I do feel for your exasperation having experienced it first-hand myself.

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So you didn't say anything about me, but I correctly guessed what you were implying. This is Ikara's shtick, leave it to her.

But if you want to compare yourself to someone, Vel is a much better example. You both have too much pride to admit when the facts are against you. You also both can't let things go when you should.

And like I said in the other thread, just follow the guidelines I gave you and there shouldn't be a problem with respect. You apparently found them too hard even though they were each very simple requests, but perhaps you can give them another look and change your mind.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

"The truth is a three edged sword"

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Is that why it's so fun to wield it against you?

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

So you didn't say anything about me, but I correctly guessed what you were implying.

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Which was what?

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

This is Ikara's shtick, leave it to her.

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Who? I'm sorry, but I genuinely don't recognize that name. Not sure I've posted in any threads with her, but if so, she and I must not have interacted with each other.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

But if you want to compare yourself to someone, Vel is a much better example. You both have too much pride to admit when the facts are against you. You also both can't let things go when you should.

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...so I'm like you, then?

That's what I found interesting. That we're so similar. I didn't realize it before now. I have a different approach to dealing with people, but in more general terms...I dunno, I hadn't realized it before now, but now it makes sense.

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You both have too much pride to admit when the facts are against you

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Says the person who claims what they say is always indisputable fact. Thats kind of a very limited mindset, wouldnt you say?

You have called me a liar several time several times when i have discussed things you have no possible knowledge of, based on what you believe to be true and little else.

You do not know what raid experience I have, what games I have played, where I have been or what I have done because you personally refuse to believe it. You'd call me a liar if I told you I have met and extensively spoken to one of the major founders of Sierra Online back when it was called Coarsegold..but it happened.

Youd call me a liar if I told you I have sat in on conferences and been involved with MMO developement, including story writing. I have been into gaming a very very long time., going back to the late 80's, which included, I might add, sitting in on dev discussions on how crafting and gear progressions work.

But I did.

I submit that what you believe to be "fact"...and what is actually true, are two separate things.

I bestow the golden ticket upon you

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Do you feel validated now ? Are you happy again with your life, will you move on ? lmao

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When in doubt, this ticket will get you out of any trouble on the forum. Its effect has been proven to work

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I've provided cold hard evidence every time. You're very lucky that the thread in which you said you had no FFXIV raiding experience got deleted or I'd be linking it here now.

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Go right ahead and say whatever you like.

I have said, and its an actual fact, that it doesnt matter what game it is, raiding and its mechanics share common principles and design processes. I didnt say it in one thread, btw, i said it in several.

So: In much the same way as it doesnt matter if you are flying a Cessna 180 or a 747, the principles of flight remain the same. Lift, drag, yaw, pitch, stalls, falls, navigation...the same physical principles that allow an aircraft to fly are identical.

The aircraft are larger, yes, but the same physical principle that allows a Cessna to get off the ground also applies in a multi engine jet aircraft. The same procedures as well, checklists, preflight, filing flight plans, weather reports, ATC communication protocols.

The next time you get on a jet, remember that your Captain and First Officer started their careers at the controls of a Piper Cub, a Cessna, a single engine Beechcraft, even a Tiger Moth.

I dont have to have raided in FF 14 to not understand raiding as a whole. That is where you didnt understand..or listen. At its core, raiding in MMOs is more or less universal, sharing basic concepts and processes.

Loot, lockouts, weekly currency caps, mechanics are all the same in terms of intent and scope. The actual mechanics themselves vary, I grant you, but in the long run, its the same show at a different venue.

On that subject, and for the record, I have said repeatedly been there, done that, got the t shirt , dont care for that hamster wheel anymore. Sooner or later you get sick of it, or decide that that time commitment is better used elsewhere. Im not the only one either, there are many just like me who have had enough and prefer other activities.

How this comes as a surprise to anyone, I dont know.

Accept it or not, thats your call.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

I don't know, but maybe Aword should just... move on if he feels validated and happy with his life now. lmao

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My validation comes from sharing good stuffs I found with fellow forum members.

I will keep doing it because it makes me a happy person.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

Amazing, you just proved me right. Nice one.

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Did I say otherwise?

Us being so similar may be a useful piece of information in the future. It may not, but who can say. At the very least it could lead to understanding and bridging gaps, unless you just really don't want to actually have cordial discussions with people.

I'm glad you agree, though.

Oh

Since you mentioned me, here’s another good stuff.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

He seemed very insistent on proving something that I don't think actually mattered to literally anyone lmao

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How the attitude shifted when certain someone is proven wrong?

Please do continue with your performance.

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Originally Posted by Renathras

Us being so similar may be a useful piece of information in the future. It may not, but who can say. At the very least it could lead to understanding and bridging gaps, unless you just really don't want to actually have cordial discussions with people.

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I have added a new thing that I'd like you to consider doing in the future. Please stop with this comparison nonsense. I am not your friend. Drop the parasocial relationship nonsense. It's creepy. It's one thing to compare two other people, I do that all the time, but it's another to try and compare yourself to someone else. That just gets really weird really fast.

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Originally Posted by Aword3213

How the attitude shifted when certain someone is proven wrong?

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Was the person in question acting like a child for a month straight? No? Well there's your difference.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

essay

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I found another comparison between you and Renathras seeing as we're doing this comparison thing. Both of you write a lot of words and yet say very little.

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Originally Posted by Renathras

As I said before to you, all I want is peace. If you are so determined not to grant it, then you cannot blame me for the conflict.

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Here is what I've said paraphrased: "I am not making a formal agreement, just don't do these things that you have been doing and there won't be any issues." This is not a refusal of civility, this is a refusal to have an official agreement. Those are not the same. Just don't do things to bother me in the future and I won't have conflict with you, it's really just that simple.

I have told you multiple times now to just let it go and that it'd be over. Instead of doing that, you've tried to insist on some weird parasocial connection between us. Not only is it a completely inaccurate comparison, but also the exact opposite of dropping it. I'm not your friend and I'm not interested in changing that. You should have just left it when I told you to.

My choice is that I don't see a formal agreement as necessary and thus I will not be agreeing to one. If you're unwilling to let this go without an agreement, then that is yours.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

If you didnt read it, how would you know?

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I did and it was worthless text.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Oh and yeah..where I am now? You will be one day.

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I get the feeling that at the age of 61, I won't be a FFXIV shill who spends their days calling people malcontents.

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Originally Posted by Shinkuno

Maybe shills like you should start playing other games instead so youd realize how shallow the game truly is

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I do play other games. I play to have fun, not to be a game critic. I'm having fun here and in my other games. That's why I play them.

Someone who likes a game and is posting about it in the game's own forums is not a shill. A shill would be posting in the forums of other games, bashing those games as terrible while trying to talk about this other great game that everyone should go play.

I'm surprised that you haven't figured out by now that all MMORPGs are shallow. Calling the game shallow is hardly insulting when all the rest are just as bad (if not worse).

Maybe you should be playing other games so you're not stuck playing a game that you find so detestable. Considering how often I'm encouraging posters to give other games a try if this one isn't to their liking, it's extra ironic that you're trying to label me as a shill.

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Originally Posted by TheNight

That's just wrong. You need crafted gear to do Savage.

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Only if you intend to jump into Savage the first few weeks of release. Otherwise you can wait until you've grabbed some pieces from Normal plus what you can buy with the weekly capped tomestones. By the time you can get your first weapon using the tokens from Normal (yes, 7 weeks, I know), you shouldn't need crafted gear anymore.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

I do play other games. I play to have fun, not to be a game critic. I'm having fun here and in my other games. That's why I play them.

Someone who likes a game and is posting about it in the game's own forums is not a shill. A shill would be posting in the forums of other games, bashing those games as terrible while trying to talk about this other great game that everyone should go play.

I'm surprised that you haven't figured out by now that all MMORPGs are shallow. Calling the game shallow is hardly insulting when all the rest are just as bad (if not worse).

Maybe you should be playing other games so you're not stuck playing a game that you find so detestable. Considering how often I'm encouraging posters to give other games a try if this one isn't to their liking, it's extra ironic that you're trying to label me as a shill.

Only if you intend to jump into Savage the first few weeks of release. Otherwise you can wait until you've grabbed some pieces from Normal plus what you can buy with the weekly capped tomestones. By the time you can get your first weapon using the tokens from Normal (yes, 7 weeks, I know), you shouldn't need crafted gear anymore.

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k shill http://10char.png

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Originally Posted by Koros

k shill http://10char.png

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What a remarkably lame comeback. I expected better from you.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

I have added a new thing that I'd like you to consider doing in the future. Please stop with this comparison nonsense. I am not your friend. Drop the parasocial relationship nonsense. It's creepy.

It's one thing to compare two other people, I do that all the time, but it's another to try and compare yourself to someone else. That just gets really weird really fast.

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Do you...at all realize how...anti-civility and pro-conflict you sound?

You refused my olive branches and any sort of peaceful agreement, but then took the opportunity to write several...extensive...book-like posts of lists of demands. Demands that you have no reason to make if you're going to reject an agreement even should I met them. Moreover, by doing so, you do what you accuse me of doing. And then, when I try to find points of commonality with you to potentially foster a peace, you reject that, too.

It's almost like you really want to keep agitating me and so must believe I am the boogieman you've made me out to be, to the point that you have to take these...extremist measures to ensure that you can continue to do so.

When all you had to do in the first place was say "Fine, let's just try not to bother each other". Especially since I was initiating the peace, so you had to make no concessions OTHER THAN not being cruel. Something that should be easy to accept. Placing demands on compassion isn't a particularly good thing in general, but doing so while continuing to insult the person trying to make a peace with you is pretty bad form.

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As I said before to you, all I want is peace.

If you are so determined not to grant it, then you cannot blame me for the conflict.

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I found another comparison between you and Renathras seeing as we're doing this comparison thing. Both of you write a lot of words and yet say very little.

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If you didnt read it, how would you know?

You seriously cant read half a page of text?

Good lord, wait till you decide to pursue a degree..half a page is NOTHING compared to whats waiting. What will you do when a lecturer tells you to read three full chapters by the end of the week?

Tell them "too long didnt read'?? Ask them for the TL : DR version? Tell them its hard to read "walls of text"? That wont get you far.

Oh and yeah..where I am now?

You will be one day.

You will be asking yourself why you are committing so much time and effort ingame when you can think of a dozen other things youd rather do with that time. Or you wont have the time anymore when real life and responsibility comes knocking.

Family, kids, work, there wont be enough hours in the day anymore. You will blink , look up and realise its three weeks later...and wonder where the time went. Your raid static will tell you when and where the next run is..and you will see you dont have the time. Or you are just too damned tired. Or you are due back onshift in ten hours and you need to sleep.

Or you will simply realise that whiist it seemed like fun at the time, its a never ending hamster wheel you just dont want to run any more.

So: here is a fact you may one day remember.

One day? You will be me.

So enjoy it while it lasts, my friend.

It wont forever.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44

Was the person in question acting like a child for a month straight? No? Well there's your difference.

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I dunno.

Adults apologize when they're proven wrong, but look at what your response was. Pretend nothing happend and do the oppostie to others. lmao

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Originally Posted by Renathras

Do you...at all realize how...anti-civility and pro-conflict you sound?

You refused my olive branches and any sort of peaceful agreement, but then took the opportunity to write several...extensive...book-like posts of lists of demands. Demands that you have no reason to make if you're going to reject an agreement even should I met them. Moreover, by doing so, you do what you accuse me of doing. And then, when I try to find points of commonality with you to potentially foster a peace, you reject that, too.

It's almost like you really want to keep agitating me and so must believe I am the boogieman you've made me out to be, to the point that you have to take these...extremist measures to ensure that you can continue to do so.

When all you had to do in the first place was say "Fine, let's just try not to bother each other". Especially since I was initiating the peace, so you had to make no concessions OTHER THAN not being cruel. Something that should be easy to accept. Placing demands on compassion isn't a particularly good thing in general, but doing so while continuing to insult the person trying to make a peace with you is pretty bad form.

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As I said before to you, all I want is peace.

If you are so determined not to grant it, then you cannot blame me for the conflict.

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bro this is A VIDEO GAME FORUM

mfw "olive branch", "peaceful agreement", "blame me for the conflict"

LMAO

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Originally Posted by Koros

bro this is A VIDEO GAME FORUM

mfw "olive branch", "peaceful agreement", "blame me for the conflict"

LMAO

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I swear to god, I remember the same thing happened with Renalt and Aveyond, Renalt was like "we can make peace only if you agree to stop harassing people" or something along those lines

bro ?

lmao

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Only if you intend to jump into Savage the first few weeks of release. Otherwise you can wait until you've grabbed some pieces from Normal plus what you can buy with the weekly capped tomestones. By the time you can get your first weapon using the tokens from Normal (yes, 7 weeks, I know), you shouldn't need crafted gear anymore.

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I can only assume this is not a serious post. Everything else would make me lose braincells.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

If you didnt read it, how would you know?

You seriously cant read half a page of text?

Good lord, wait till you decide to pursue a degree..half a page is NOTHING compared to whats waiting. What will you do when a lecturer tells you to read three full chapters by the end of the week?

Tell them "too long didnt read'?? Ask them for the TL : DR version? Tell them its hard to read "walls of text"? That wont get you far.

Oh and yeah..where I am now?

You will be one day.

You will be asking yourself why you are committing so much time and effort ingame when you can think of a dozen other things youd rather do with that time. Or you wont have the time anymore when real life and responsibility comes knocking.

Family, kids, work, there wont be enough hours in the day anymore. You will blink , look up and realise its three weeks later...and wonder where the time went. Your raid static will tell you when and where the next run is..and you will see you dont have the time. Or you are just too damned tired. Or you are due back onshift in ten hours and you need to sleep.

Or you will simply realise that whiist it seemed like fun at the time, its a never ending hamster wheel you just dont want to run any more.

So: here is a fact you may one day remember.

One day? You will be me.

So enjoy it while it lasts, my friend.

It wont forever.

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Sympathy - definitely get where you're coming from with the R/L aspect.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

wait till you decide to pursue a degree

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you realize people go to college at 18 these days???? and most people here are already over 18??? so they either already finished college or don't plan to?? you seriously one-upping someone by invoking "degree"

my god pursuing a degree isn't anything special in 2023

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

when a lecturer tells you to read three full chapters by the end of the week?

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i read dozens of math and CS papers every week for my job, and in my ug i was reading entire books in a week. the difference is dear 79 year old, they don't contain nonsense

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

If you didnt read it, how would you know?

You seriously cant read half a page of text?

Good lord, wait till you decide to pursue a degree..half a page is NOTHING compared to whats waiting. What will you do when a lecturer tells you to read three full chapters by the end of the week?

Tell them "too long didnt read'?? Ask them for the TL : DR version? Tell them its hard to read "walls of text"? That wont get you far.

Oh and yeah..where I am now?

You will be one day.

You will be asking yourself why you are committing so much time and effort ingame when you can think of a dozen other things youd rather do with that time. Or you wont have the time anymore when real life and responsibility comes knocking.

Family, kids, work, there wont be enough hours in the day anymore. You will blink , look up and realise its three weeks later...and wonder where the time went. Your raid static will tell you when and where the next run is..and you will see you dont have the time. Or you are just too damned tired. Or you are due back onshift in ten hours and you need to sleep.

Or you will simply realise that whiist it seemed like fun at the time, its a never ending hamster wheel you just dont want to run any more.

So: here is a fact you may one day remember.

One day? You will be me.

So enjoy it while it lasts, my friend.

It wont forever.

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The key is how many words are just utter filler, and how much substance you actually get for the words being detailed. Reading pages is easy work, reading books is easy work if they are well authored. People aren't going to treat an academic report, or a well established book with the same respect as padding words on a forum.

At least when you're reading academic journals, reports, dissertations, surveys etc., - Most of them have the common courtesy of not bleeding your time with needless fluff. There is a thing called padding wordcounts with unnecessary clauses and conjunctive adverbs. The chances are if you're placed in a situation like this then it doesn't exactly bring credibility to the research, and thus not worth reading in the first place. - But generally people with a PhD have a higher bar for writing and substance than your average people or people that sit regular on a forum.

Not all writing is weighted the same. I'm certainly not going onto a forum and expecting the same level of insight as to what I would if I were to read a paper on IEEE Xplore.

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you realize people go to college at 18 these days?

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People go to university at any age. Dear dear me we are behind the times arent we....

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??? and most people here are already over 18??? so they either already finished college or don't plan to?

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...you never finish learning, and if you think that once you finish that degree you never go back..well....thats a you issue.

Do try and keep up?

Kaurhz perhaps. But Im not the one who says that reading half a page of text is "hard".

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i read dozens of math and CS papers every week for my job, and in my ug i was reading entire books in a week.

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Which then begs the question of what it is you are trying to accomplish here.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

People go to university at any age. Dear dear me we are behind the times arent we....



...you never finish learning, and if you think that once you finish that degree you never go back..well....thats a you issue.

Do try and keep up?

Kaurhz perhaps. But Im not the one who says that reading half a page of text is "hard".



Which then begs the question of what it is you are trying to accomplish here.

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It doesn't really matter who is saying it. Cumbersome writing does exist, and like the writing, it is cumbersome to read. Especially so when no effort is made to actually make a point, and instead just focussing on back-and-forth stints to win an argument on a forum, or just to needlessly bloat the text to try and be perceived as clever, insightful or intelligent. Reading half a page of needless walls of text is difficult, if it is taking that entire length to make a point that can be summarised in under 20 words.

I will say, you were the one who tried to equivocate it with something like a degree. - To iterate and summarise the point... It is not the length of the content you're reading that makes it difficult but the substance of that content. Hence cumbersome.

You would think that someone reading dozens of papers in their field or interdisciplinary topics does so to learn.

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Do try and keep up?

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You are the only one who needs to keep up if you finished your first degree at 83 years old

And no, normal people don't go back to college to learn unless you're pursuing a PhD. Normal people LEARN TO LEARN. If you need to take a college class to learn anything after your degree you are just slow lmao. Most of us are capable of learning by reading journal articles, reading textbooks, watching tutorials, repetition, etc. by ourselves.

Just to be clear, the people I know who are pursuing a second PhD: they are all lemons. Your first degree should equip you with everything you need to succeed at the appropriate level (i.e. bachelor's for most work, PhD for research work). If you can't, then it's a literal skill issue.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

If you didnt read it, how would you know?

You seriously cant read half a page of text?

Good lord, wait till you decide to pursue a degree..half a page is NOTHING compared to whats waiting. What will you do when a lecturer tells you to read three full chapters by the end of the week?

Tell them "too long didnt read'?? Ask them for the TL : DR version? Tell them its hard to read "walls of text"? That wont get you far.

Oh and yeah..where I am now?

You will be one day.

You will be asking yourself why you are committing so much time and effort ingame when you can think of a dozen other things youd rather do with that time. Or you wont have the time anymore when real life and responsibility comes knocking.

Family, kids, work, there wont be enough hours in the day anymore. You will blink , look up and realise its three weeks later...and wonder where the time went. Your raid static will tell you when and where the next run is..and you will see you dont have the time. Or you are just too damned tired. Or you are due back onshift in ten hours and you need to sleep.

Or you will simply realise that whiist it seemed like fun at the time, its a never ending hamster wheel you just dont want to run any more.

So: here is a fact you may one day remember.

One day? You will be me.

So enjoy it while it lasts, my friend.

It wont forever.

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I've gone to university. I have a master's degree, in English and German. Long text isn't a sign of being smart, or good. If your text is just pointless filler, then it needs to be shortened. Yes, I realise that most academic texts are exactly that, but that doesn't mean they should be. Making research papers insanely complicated to read is helping nobody.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

A shill would be posting in the forums of other games, bashing those games as terrible while trying to talk about this other great game that everyone should go play.

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I'm not against what you are saying in general and i think it's unfair people call you a shill, but according to cambridge, being negative about competition is not a necessary requirement of a shill:

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic.../english/shill

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

If you didnt read it, how would you know?

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AwesomeJr44 complained about you writing a lot of text. I could not find anything suggestion she didn't read all of it. You assume your own implacations and facts, as usual. If i can be as agist and passive aggressive as you are with your weird degree rant: If you have that bad understanding of the texts that are presented to you, like you have shown on this forum multiple times and are of a certain age, than maybe ask a doctor to check if you have dementia.

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Originally Posted by BRVV

I'm not against what you are saying in general and i think it's unfair people call you a shill, but according to cambridge, being negative about competition is not a necessary requirement of a shill:

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic.../english/shill

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Not a requirement but it is a tactic that shills will use on occasion.

It's still really amusing that they call me one. "How dare you suggest that I stop playing FFXIV, you FFXIV shill!"

If I'm shilling for anything, I'm shilling for their happiness. It's outright dumb to keep playing a game if you're not having fun with it.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

If you didnt read it, how would you know?

You seriously cant read half a page of text?

Good lord, wait till you decide to pursue a degree..half a page is NOTHING compared to whats waiting. What will you do when a lecturer tells you to read three full chapters by the end of the week?

Tell them "too long didnt read'?? Ask them for the TL : DR version? Tell them its hard to read "walls of text"? That wont get you far.

Oh and yeah..where I am now?

You will be one day.

You will be asking yourself why you are committing so much time and effort ingame when you can think of a dozen other things youd rather do with that time. Or you wont have the time anymore when real life and responsibility comes knocking.

Family, kids, work, there wont be enough hours in the day anymore. You will blink , look up and realise its three weeks later...and wonder where the time went. Your raid static will tell you when and where the next run is..and you will see you dont have the time. Or you are just too damned tired. Or you are due back onshift in ten hours and you need to sleep.

Or you will simply realise that whiist it seemed like fun at the time, its a never ending hamster wheel you just dont want to run any more.

So: here is a fact you may one day remember.

One day? You will be me.

So enjoy it while it lasts, my friend.

It wont forever.

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Sounds like a skill issue. I got my bachelors while still finding time to piss away dozens of hours a week playing WoW and FF14. Course, I got that degree with solid Bs and Cs, but I got the paper in the end so no problemo.

Now I'm almost 30 (damn it) with a full time job and whatnot, and can STILL find plenty of time.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Reading half a page of needless walls of text is difficult, if it is taking that entire length to make a point that can be summarised in under 20 words.

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So, your "essay" here is 139 words too long?

I'd blame the lack of concentration these days on cell phones.

Written conversation requires more words than certain posters appear to be able to handle.

I blame TikTok and Twitter.

Or we just have better uses of our time such as memorizing the sequence of Amnesia: The Bunker to get the speedrun achievement.

Why would anyone read the forums if they've got more pressing matters such as getting a speedrun achievement?

Because we can.

You can also read a post with 265 words rather than 20, since you have the time.

End transmission.

But I won't.

Deal with it.

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The key is how many words are just utter filler, and how much substance you actually get for the words being detailed. Reading pages is easy work, reading books is easy work if they are well authored. People aren't going to treat an academic report, or a well established book with the same respect as padding words on a forum.

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Exactly. If a post is well written and makes good use of its words, then I don't see a problem with having a longer post. But if you're going to make essays where a majority of its words are simply fluff and padding, then why should I waste my time reading that if I don't feel like it is worth it? I'm not here to grade student papers. It has nothing to do with a short attention span or an inability to read longer posts like Vel and DPZ2 are saying. I simply don't have an obligation to read essays if they don't have much substance hidden beneath the large word count.

Oh and Vel, I read your essay. It had absolutely nothing of substance in it. But I wouldn't try to lecture me about how I should spend my time. Statistically I most likely have more time left here on this Earth than you do, and yet you're still here shilling for a video game on an online forum. You were right about one thing. It doesn't last forever, for anyone. But that includes you. Instead of worrying about how others are spending their time, worry about your own.

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So like your posts?

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Do you want peace or not? Doesn't seem like you do. Go write me another book about it or let it go like I told you to.

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crying in his edit

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Dude, if me refusing to make a formal agreement with you is going to cause you to continue whining about this 'drama' forever, then just go ahead and keep doing it. I really don't really care if you cling onto this forever. I'll just go back to laughing at you the next time you bring it up like I should have all along, instead of asking you to not be a massive hypocrite.