Hildibrand for relic? Really?

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

It's a nothing burger because Hydaelyn literally hands you the McGuffin needed to bring them back immediately before that point, removing any possible tension.

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Yet without the sacrifices we wouldn't be able to progress. So it isn't a nothing burger. And that "mcguffin" literally was just an enhanced version of what we already did with our stone. Call people. Again she just give it a function to restore bodies which are just aether anyways. Not far fetched at all especially considering the fact she knows creation magics. Emet created a whole damn city and that was ok with folks xD

ANYWAYS this has turned into yet another "EW is bad" thread unfortunately. I'm just hoping the relics quests are fun. Not a big Hildi fan myself but certainly don't hate him. Should be interesting to see what they have it store for us.

Far as others, if you don't like it don't do it. That solution is fairly simple. Not every piece of content in the game is going to be liked by everyone. Same for everything else in the game

I'm hyped... I bet Manderville weapons might have fun designs.

I just never thought they would tie Hidly quests to any other kind of content, given how comic relief they are, but hey... There are already a lot of dense storylines going on anyway.

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Overall I would say EW is a massive disappointment on several fronts and this just adds to a pile for a lot of people.

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I would say the issue is with sweeping statements like this that have no meshing with reality. There's a very vocal, but ultimately absurdly small cabal of posters on this forum who are negative about everything, no matter what. But they're far and away the exception. Go practically anywhere else, in-game, heck even Reddit - usually a cesspool of negativity - is overwhelmingly positive about FFXIV and EW in particular. For the sweeping majority of the playerbase, EW is a massive success and has been very enjoyable. That doesn't mean everyone has to like it; any individual can have a different opinion. But to act as if that minority opinion is the norm when it isn't just breeds frustration for everyone.

Tbh I'm just going to skip cutscenes and that's that. Sure Hildy is fun, but not my type of fun. All I want is for Godbert to bless my weapon, and maybe have some legendary version of the Manderville GS's weapons.

Do I feel disappointed about the Relic being Manderville? A bit yeah, not a deal breaker by any means though. Just different expectations for different folk. Still hopping for a nice Zone like Bozja, if only for faster levelling and memes.

if the quests are good, the grind isnt a complete no-life and the weapon designs are decent then ill be happy.

Wait what exactly did they say?
I mean I love Hildibrand lmao but I know some folks pretty vehemently do not so seems odd

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Originally Posted by EaraGrace

Having a bit to chew on it honestly I think it sounds fun! After the kettle quest it’s not really that much sillier and you can get through it pretty quick if you’re not interested and just skip.

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I made a Barista glamour with those kettles. xD Pretty sure after we do the whole relic quest, we'll get something similar but with Godbert making the special gag weapon reward even better. xD

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Originally Posted by Rangiswimming

maybe have some legendary version of the Manderville GS's weapons.

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As much as I love the Señor Sabotender weapons (and being eager for the remaining ones), I would hate if EW Relic 1st stage turned out to be recycled models with a new SFX added on top...

It's a bit hard to guess how the Manderville weapons are going to be, but if I could guess... Maybe Film Noir inspired items? The aesthetic seems to be what Hildy's quests have hints of inspiration.

My biggest ??? however is if they are going to theme ALL of the Relic stages after that, which is kind of odd since Hildy quests are solely story based with a boss Trial. I would guess the Gerolt + Godbert partnership would branch off into something different for future stages.

But then, who knows? We might get a Manderville themed exploratory zone to back up all of that! LOL.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Not sure whether they were being actually serious about this or not, but either way it's bad form to require such an absurdly long questline to be completed before we can do this expansion’s relic. I don’t even think Ivalice is as time consuming, and at least acts as a skill check on the playerbase.

Just why?

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I am so very happy about this, I hated the Bozjan Story with a passion, I hate Ivalice with an even greater passion, 12 is my least favorite game. Finally we can do a story some of us love, I might have to do this on all my alts, because I love Hildibrand that much.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Not sure whether they were being actually serious about this or not, but either way it's bad form to require such an absurdly long questline to be completed before we can do this expansion’s relic. I don’t even think Ivalice is as time consuming, and at least acts as a skill check on the playerbase.

Just why?

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Because not everything has to be serious in this game. Have a little fun with it while not busting a vein trying to finish Ultimate.

Dragon Age has the banana on a stick weapon with a cheese wheel shield, Shadow Hearts has a skyscraper for a bludgeon weapon, AC Valhalla has a swordfish sword. Games are silly.

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Originally Posted by ballprince

I think people are too ready to kiss the ground SE walks on in regards to story content sometimes and forget that this criticism is to be expected and should be heard out just the same as the people who loved it.

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That or people just have a different opinion.
Everyone needs to learn to be ok with that, on both sides

SE be like ”I don’t care, we’re going to get our manderville money back!” :pepega:

While I’m glad it’s unrelated to any deep dungeon excursions for now, I really did not expect them to use the manderville for this purpose. I hope the weapons’ final form won’t be goofy looking.

why do people hate hildibrand? im just curious

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Originally Posted by lunartears

why do people hate hildibrand? im just curious

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the comedy in hildibrand quests is hit or miss and the jokes can overstay their welcome at times, but even more importantly, people on here can't stand anything even remotely light-hearted for some reason

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Originally Posted by lunartears

why do people hate hildibrand? im just curious

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Personally I didn't mind the ARR quests, but it overstayed its welcome by HW. The Gigi stuff in HW was endearing but spliced between the slapstick humor that was very miss for me, and the SB stuff was incredibly forgettable and I didn't enjoy it at all. I liked the Inspector Briardien sidequests in HW though, the Scholasticate stuff was interesting and I enjoyed learning more about the inner workings of Ishgardian society.

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Originally Posted by Nizzi

Personally I didn't mind the ARR quests, but it overstayed its welcome by HW. The Gigi stuff in HW was endearing but spliced between the slapstick humor that was very miss for me, and the SB stuff was incredibly forgettable and I didn't enjoy it at all. I liked the Inspector Briardien sidequests in HW though, the Scholasticate stuff was interesting and I enjoyed learning more about the inner workings of Ishgardian society.

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imo the HW arc was the best one.

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Originally Posted by cactusbees

Because not everything has to be serious in this game. Have a little fun with it while not busting a vein trying to finish Ultimate.

Dragon Age has the banana on a stick weapon with a cheese wheel shield, Shadow Hearts has a skyscraper for a bludgeon weapon, AC Valhalla has a swordfish sword. Games are silly.

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There is a difference between a light hearted story/aesthetics vs a lolsorandom story/aesthetics. Who am I kidding though, i'm just fighting against the current at this point in the game's life, lol.

Not sure why people surprised the Relics always had fairly long unlock requirements & usually pushed players to old content to help new players or make world more lively with many fate grinds. Hildi has 4 Trials & the 4th one is probably a wall for players currently doing it cause I never get that thing in my Roulettes.

Well finally if don't like it Relics are side content & not mandatory you could always just skip cutscenes / or ignore it Savage will be BiS till 6.5 when Relic finally gets BiS.

I don't mind that the relic is tied to Hildibrand.
What I do mind is that I feel they picked the wrong expansion for it.

I wanted weapons of space and intergalactic dimension stuff. Maybe from the Lorrpits on the Moon and Ultima Thula. It just feels anti climatic that the relic weapons on the big saga conclusion could potentially be a meme.

Honestly if SAM gets the Senior Sabotender katana without the actual Sabotender on its hilt, I'd be satisfied. I don't care if it's otherwise just a reskin, that weapon would look so cool were it not for the goofy-ass hilt.

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Originally Posted by Nav_Fae

I don't mind that the relic is tied to Hildibrand.
What I do mind is that I feel they picked the wrong expansion for it.

I wanted weapons of space and intergalactic dimension stuff. Maybe from the Lorrpits on the Moon and Ultima Thula. It just feels anti climatic that the relic weapons on the big saga conclusion could potentially be a meme.

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No offense but that disappointment is a product of your own expectations. Why I prefer to just keep my mind open n clear til things are confirmed n such. Helps avoid feeling like this

Does this really matter? -_- Like out of all the possible things to complain about, is this really a problem? Doing a questline in an rpg to get a weapon?

Like, I have no problem saying that I absolutely hate the hildebrand/manderville whatever questline and characters. I watched my friend do some of the quests because he just wants to collect all the dances. I fundamentally have no idea why anyone finds it funny. I genuinely got second hand embarrassment watching it, knowing that this dev team and playerbase even thinks its funny. So I haven’t touched those quests on my own character.

But, I want the relic weapons because I like working towards things and collecting them. So now that I know this is a prerequisite, all I have to do is burn through a single questline, skip all the dialog/cutscenes I can, and boom. Relic weapon farming time. They gave people like me, people who haven’t even started the questline, a TWO MONTH notice. We have a TWO MONTH heads up to finish ONE questline.

It’s fine.

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Originally Posted by Nav_Fae

I don't mind that the relic is tied to Hildibrand.
What I do mind is that I feel they picked the wrong expansion for it.

I wanted weapons of space and intergalactic dimension stuff. Maybe from the Lorrpits on the Moon and Ultima Thula. It just feels anti climatic that the relic weapons on the big saga conclusion could potentially be a meme.

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Who's to say it isn't tied to the Lopporit's and space.. there's literally a screenshot of the quest being on the moon.

Settle your expectations until we actually see the quest.

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Originally Posted by Haventale

Does this really matter? -_- Like out of all the possible things to complain about, is this really a problem? Doing a questline in an rpg to get a weapon?

Like, I have no problem saying that I absolutely hate the hildebrand/manderville whatever questline and characters. I watched my friend do some of the quests because he just wants to collect all the dances. I fundamentally have no idea why anyone finds it funny. I genuinely got second hand embarrassment watching it, knowing that this dev team and playerbase even thinks its funny. So I haven’t touched those quests on my own character.

But, I want the relic weapons because I like working towards things and collecting them. So now that I know this is a prerequisite, all I have to do is burn through a single questline, skip all the dialog/cutscenes I can, and boom. Relic weapon farming time. They gave people like me, people who haven’t even started the questline, a TWO MONTH notice. We have a TWO MONTH heads up to finish ONE questline.

It’s fine.

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Hildebrand is a bit of an... acquired taste I suppose. Personally, I get a good bit of enjoyment out of it, but the story does have its highs and lows. I haven't done the most recent stuff yet, but that's on my to-do list.

The issue with tying the relic weapons to something as silly as The Gold Saucer is exactly that. These weapons are supposed to be cool, legendary, stunning, the height of whatever you believe a cool weapon should be, and yet as someone else stated chances are we'll be getting something like paper planes for Sage, so on and so forth.

That doesn't mean every design of every relic has been satisfactory or cool but the idea behind them was still something very serious. Now we have to backtrack and skip through a bunch of BS just to get a weapon we're not interested in. Which btw, this isn't how you get players to go back and experience a story that you put your hardwork into. As literally everyone in this thread is saying, "you can just skip through them" sounds pretty counterproductive if the whole reason you linked the two in the first place is so players can exp the story.

This also sounds a lot like we're not getting any expedition content, which is a major blow if you ask me. Not only was it fun, different, and otherwise engaging content but it provided a way for players to experience new open world zones that actually gave you stuff to do and nice rewards for doing so. Objectively speaking it wasn't a bad thing to have in the game, they simply just needed to fix it up a bit. Bozja fixed a lot of the actions and fate nonsense in Eureka but sacrificed the looks. If they could somehow get a proper balance of both, the next zone could have been really fun for a lot of people.

But alas EW seems to wanna keep this lighthearted tone of "adventure" going on. I'm all for dialing things back a bit and having FUN but once again, there needs to be a balance. They should have never went with the decision to link the two, if kept separate this thread wouldn't even be a topic of conversation and both parties would most likely be happy or mildly happy at the least. Hilde ppl get their new quests and relic people get their legendary relic free of any casual happy fun times.

some people keep forgetting that,this is a paid service......people are entitled to complain all they want and white knighting is usually not very well received, yes you can have an opinion towards certain criticism ....and 90% of the times is unwarranted,unneeded and it will find fierce resistance, yet some people want to keep pushing and pushing their narrative until is accepted as single and only truth, we need to stop that.

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I cant wait!

And all their quests start to finish is still shorter than all the time and energy required for Bozja and the Queens relics.

Its going to be interesting what they come up with, Gold Saucer themed weapons?

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Originally Posted by Nav_Fae

I don't mind that the relic is tied to Hildibrand.
What I do mind is that I feel they picked the wrong expansion for it.

I wanted weapons of space and intergalactic dimension stuff. Maybe from the Lorrpits on the Moon and Ultima Thula. It just feels anti climatic that the relic weapons on the big saga conclusion could potentially be a meme.

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Could still get something along those lines. It would fit recent events in the questline.

I haven't seen it mentioned, but it's also possible these are connected to Variant dungeons. Sil'dah is a very important part of the first Hildibrand questline.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

imo the HW arc was the best one.

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I'd wear my stealer of pants title from there with pride =)

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Originally Posted by Shenlao

Not sure what you are arguing. If you think I'm saying that following quest for completing the weapon aren't going to be related to Hildi then you're completely misreading what I'm saying.

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Indeed it seems I misunderstood you, I thought you were replying to people who hate Hildi reassuring them it's only the prerequisite or something.
What you said makes sense.

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Originally Posted by lunartears

why do people hate hildibrand? im just curious

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It's a very niche type of comedy that either you love or hate. Like a friend said, it's like marmite.
People keep saying "light up, have fun for once", but they completely miss the point. I absolutely love comedy, but to me this ain't it. It's just absolutely not fun at all. For a lot of us, the questline is absolutely cringey and unbearable, and that should be respected.

on here people say just skip cutscenes, it's fast. On twitter just now I saw a meme about skipping them, and in the comments everybody was so angry, saying that absolutely nobody should skip them and to just have some fun and that people who skip cutscenes are not in this game to stay and should go back to WoW or something.
It's absolutely mental. No matter what you can't win. You're forced to do a questline you hate (and which some people have been purposefully avoiding for 10 years), but don't you dare skip cutscenes, you brute!!! And you better enjoy it or else we call the Yoshi-police!

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Originally Posted by Dawn465

The issue with tying the relic weapons to something as silly as The Gold Saucer is exactly that. These weapons are supposed to be cool, legendary, stunning, the height of whatever you believe a cool weapon should be, and yet as someone else stated chances are we'll be getting something like paper planes for Sage, so on and so forth.

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i really don't see the reason why people think a legendary blacksmith that so far allways delivered on epicness factor of weapons paired with the greatest goldsmith in the land that has shown to be perfectly capable of producing normal looking artisinal pieces would hand us some gaudy joke weapon as anything but maybe some early stage joke stuff, especially as square is well aware that the long term value of these weapons is for glamour.

also on people arguing on the seriousness of the quests themselves i have to wonder if they ever paid attention to the other relic weapons.

aside from shadowbringers gunnhildr stuff literally half the questlines were repeated "look at that bald bum gerold, he is so fucking broke and a complete drunkard" jokes. oh and he is soooo fearfull of rowena, lets laugh a bit more about him. heck, arr relics in particular was the culmination of two drunkards working together and among other things dipping the freaking thing into rum.

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Originally Posted by Akiudo

aside from shadowbringers gunnhildr stuff literally half the questlines were repeated "look at that bald bum gerold, he is so fucking broke and a complete drunkard" jokes. oh and he is soooo fearfull of rowena, lets laugh a bit more about him. heck, arr relics in particular was the culmination of two drunkards working together and among other things dipping the freaking thing into rum.

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I don't thnk there's anything laughable about that, it's more a pathetic and sad story. He's a drunkard and a money waster, she's a money-addict who also somehow still loves him. It's more a tragic story than comedic imho.
But then there's this cultural thing of drunk=funny which I'll never understand.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Should I seriously bother going through another expansion of these job changes and new writing direction that goes directly against the kind of storytelling that made me fall in love with this game in Heavensward?

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I just love the irony of you constantly talking about wanting a deep and serious fantasy story filled with worldbuilding, and you’re wearing a modern day mid-life-crisis outfit with a baseball cap sitting in a flying car.

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

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while i'm somewhat in agreement that the whole gerold/rowena dynamic is more sad than funny it's still abundantly clear from the way its handled that we are supposed to laugh about his misfortune just like we are supposed to laugh about godbert being scared of Julyan and not think "domestic abuse" when she pulls out her pan.

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Originally Posted by Akiudo

why on earth are people so obsessed with main character deaths as if this is the absolutely only way to get a compelling story ?

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Ya, same. My personal opinion is that killing off characters is a very lazy way for writers to try and get an emotional response out of their audience. It’s such an easy and simple thing to do as a writer. I think what takes far more skill is creating compelling character and political dynamics to envoke thoughts and relatable emotions from the audience.

I think that’s why so many people liked Emet-Selch as a villain for example. Because even though he’s a totally messed up, literal fascist, you can understand the pain he’s feeling from what he’s been through. You understand why he’s doing what he’s doing. He’s a character with depth and nuance. He’s a villain you actually understand. And that’s what makes a good character/story arc.

So, to those saying that FFXIV’s story is getting worse just because there’s more periodically light hearted or silly moments than before? I disagree entirely. This new lady (I can’t remember her name) who took over the writing with Shadowbringers onward is infinitely better than the dude before her, and she’s improving the storytelling in this game leaps and bounds.

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Originally Posted by Akiudo

while i'm somewhat in agreement that the whole gerold/rowena dynamic is more sad than funny it's still abundantly clear from the way its handled that we are supposed to laugh about his misfortune just like we are supposed to laugh about godbert being scared of Julyan and not think "domestic abuse" when she pulls out her pan.

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Which is, I guess, why I find neither funny. But the rowena vs Gerolt is just small snippets in bigger storylines, while the Hildibrand arc is a whole long quest arc spanning multiple expansions, marked as comedic, and supposedly "self-contained'. You can gloss over a few scenes of G&R being whatever, hard to glos over that type of humor for the whole Hildi line. The only sane thing you can do if you don't find it funny is skip.

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Originally Posted by Haventale

Ya, same. My personal opinion is that killing off characters is a very lazy way for writers to try and get an emotional response out of their audience. It’s such an easy and simple thing to do as a writer. I think what takes far more skill is creating compelling character and political dynamics to envoke thoughts and relatable emotions from the audience.

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How is spamming fake out deaths any better?

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Originally Posted by Akiudo

i really don't get peoples fixation with wanting main characters to die... i get it, it would be "shocking", and yes there was a time with a lot more death on the good guys side than what we have now, but is it really so important to kill of part of the main cast ? lord of the rings doesn't kill of any main cast after halfway into the first book and even has gandalf "die" and come back even more powerfull than before and it's still considered one of the greatest fantasy epics of all time. Or for anime/manga fans take one piece which had 2 non flashback deaths for the first 1000 or so chapters. why on earth are people so obsessed with main character deaths as if this is the absolutely only way to get a compelling story ?

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Game of thrones has irreversably damaged people in that regard. That and a weird fixation on grimdark themes, not understanding that grimdark in its most serious fashion fundamentally does not work and only makes for trash stories.

I got told to skip the cutscenes if I didnt like them, and but then people get on their high horse about you being a cutscene skipper so you cant really win. So I've decided to start the cutscenes and just alt+tab onto something else til it's over. Checkmate

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Originally Posted by Lustre

I got told to skip the cutscenes if I didnt like them, and but then people get on their high horse about you being a cutscene skipper so you cant really win. So I've decided to start the cutscenes and just alt+tab onto something else til it's over. Checkmate

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Just ignore those who whine about cutscene skipping. Unless the cutscene is in the middle of a group duty where you skipping might cause the others to miss out on content in the duty, it's none of their business.

As much as I enjoy cutscenes, I have friends who don't and I want them to also have a good time. It's your game experience, do what you can to make it more enjoyable for you.