VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

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Originally Posted by Akimori

See, I like yoshi and want to give him the benefit of the doubt because I honestly thing that he slapped that limitation on Hrothgar because of the simple fact that H/V were rushed to begin with. but to say that its working as intended? No. I absolutely refuse to accept that notion because it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that this was going to blow up in his face the moment people figured it out

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Agreed. Honestly, I'd even forgive the fantasia thing if we had like, 15 unique hairstyles to work with....but we don't, we have a whooping 2 [assuming you don't want to change face, and even then, we only have 8]. It's pretty clear this wasn't 'working as intended' as much as simply them biting off more than they could chew and make do with what they got, given the time and resources available.

And, to be fair, a certain pandemic didn't help either

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Originally Posted by Akimori

See, I like yoshi and want to give him the benefit of the doubt because I honestly thing that he slapped that limitation on Hrothgar because of the simple fact that H/V were rushed to begin with. but to say that its working as intended? No. I absolutely refuse to accept that notion because it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that this was going to blow up in his face the moment people figured it out

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Imma try to keep this short.

What part of Hrothgar and Viera doesn't seem intentional?

Viera? They wanted to just make FF14 Fran. It's what people asked for, after all. They coulda just took Miqote hair and made longer ears outta them but nope.

Hrothgar, why can they not have hairstyles from other faces?
Welp, each Hrothgar head was designed to have a different size-n-shaped forehead and ears. From a design standpoint, this could be pinned on the fact that the devs made them full animal looking, and it's hard for humans to tell the difference between non-human faces, so they made them each look very different. They didn't HAVE to design them this way though, and because their heads are so different the hairline for each mane would fk up on any head that it wasn't made for ... so the devs would have to make alterations to each Hrothgar hair to not make it look like cheapo clippy garbo work on the 3 other heads. They don't do that for any race.

Why can Hrothgar not at least change between the TWO hairs for their 1 face? Cause part of their hairstyle is in their face features tab for w/e reason. This isn't the case for ANY other race, they just have bits of hair in their face features tab for w/e reason. Perhaps they really couldn't find a way for more stuff to be in the Fur Pattern (AKA Hair for any other race) tab, but again, that's a design choice to have barely seen fur patterns be a part of this race and suck up so much CC.

Why would they do this if they know how it would be received?
Why would devs making this game (where most people play pretty/ cute characters) make people who play the big better-looking-Roe-bro males race with beast faces pay extra? If I were to put on my profit-driven-company hat, I'd say ... YP really liked the idea of a big beast dude option, and much like he said ... he had no idea how popular it would be. These races cost time and money not only to make but also to support, as they make everything more expensive to do.


Simply put, it gives them more of a return on investment if w/e small amount of Hrothgar players pay them extra money. There's way more FV than MH, but I do wonder how much money SE has made from the 24k Hrothgar players who may have wanted to change up their hair sometimes over the past 2 years. Depending on how many arvg Hrothgar actually pay money to change their hair, they could have made just as much or more $10 Potion sells as they did on Viera Females over the past 2 years.

This is why I'm very interested in seeing 6.1's Hrothgar changes ... and it's also why I'm 100% sure Hrothgar are still gonna have to pay $$$ to get this solution, just like people with stubby Middie face.

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So basically, you all seem to think that these devs (After making Male Miqote/ Femroe/ Thighlanders AND Au R ALL fully functional) just got slapped by some rando incompetence stick when it came to these races. I don't, I think it's clear that they wanted to give people what they were asking for with Viera (aka, be true to what "Viera" are and make them look like Fran instead of like long earred tall Miqote) and wanted to ensure they got a good profit from Hrothgar by making that smaller amount of players pay. Even if you don't think it was money driven, they know how to make fully functional races, none of this was accidental even if poorly thought out.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

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So basically, you all seem to think that these devs (After making Male Miqote/ Femroe/ Thighlanders AND Au R ALL fully functional) just got slapped by some rando incompetence stick when it came to these races. I don't, I think it's clear that they wanted to give people what they were asking for with Viera (aka, be true to what "Viera" are and make them look like Fran instead of like long earred tall Miqote) and wanted to ensure they got a good profit from Hrothgar by making that smaller amount of players pay. Even if you don't think it was money driven, they know how to make fully functional races, none of this was accidental even if poorly thought out.

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I don’t think it was accidental, but it was sloppy and the poor communication since releasing them has honestly left the worst taste in my mouth. When they were first released, these issues weren’t as unacceptable, but with every patch that has some players waiting with baited breath that they might get SOMETHING, I can’t believe anyone wouldn’t think they’re justified in feeling disappointed and hurt. At least let the cat men change face without spending money, I don’t care if it “doesn’t make sense” in the lore. Sometimes you should negotiate; if they didn’t want to give them more customization, then give a little on your “lore” end to let them have /something/.

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Originally Posted by Chie_M

My main concern with female Hrothgar is still that they're going to make them "sexy". I mean, look at the female Au Ra concept art versus the tiny waifus we got...

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My theory is they're trying to make them attractive, but the problem is hroths are too furry and they want to humanize them, but then they remember us Catgirls already exist, so they don't know what to do. Can't make them too humanlike, because female Miqo'te already exist. Try making them look as furry as the males, and it makes them extremely difficult to make attractive. They should just do what others have suggested and make them look like female Pantera and call it a day (just with tails and human feet like the male Hroths ofc).

https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets...jpg?1600542317

I'm not a fan of the flat faces of Pantera, and throw in again my counter for a face that is both beast and cute:

https://i.imgur.com/uWsGyVd.png

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I don't really see why Square would want to add a new race/gender that people would pay $$$ to Fantasia into

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Because....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CTeLy3Ujxc

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

Because....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CTeLy3Ujxc

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That is not what I said. I meant the playerbase's need for the missing gender. Of course SE makes a lot of money from fantasias, which I have acknowledged, and even stated that not updating (or "fixing") the races makes them even more with players who switch back and forth.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

That is not what I said. I meant the playerbase's need for the missing gender. Of course SE makes a lot of money from fantasias, which I have acknowledged, and even stated that not updating (or "fixing") the races makes them even more with players who switch back and forth.

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People just naturally will want to play the unplayable gender of a gender-locked race in any game. Miqo'te were gonna be gender-locked too as I recall but they changed their minds. I think it's just pointless to gender-lock a race in an MMO because people will ALWAYS complain that they can't be the "other gender" as this one race. Might as well just let them have it.

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

People just naturally will want to play the unplayable gender of a gender-locked race in any game. Miqo'te were gonna be gender-locked too as I recall but they changed their minds. I think it's just pointless to gender-lock a race in an MMO because people will ALWAYS complain that they can't be the "other gender" as this one race. Might as well just let them have it.

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Yeah, no matter how much Yoshida has explained how doing so would impact the rest of the game. I do not care about a person's want when it comes at the expense of everything else. Female viera/male hrothgar were already added, it was time for them to make good on their promises for updates, and fix the ridiculous issues with hrothgar and fantasia. Instead much of the playerbase whined and complained about male viera (not really female hrothgar), instead of unifying over the issues present currently, and now male viera players are more and more switching off and joining us here in complaints about the limitations.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

and now male viera players are more and more switching off and joining us here in complaints about the limitations.

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<insert joke about if they bring as much volume to the customization topic as they did about their inclusion we may actually get something :)>

Occasionally I would love to fanta to Viera, just to see how some tall outfits would look like, but the lack of hats is quite concerning. And when I stop to think about the lack of hair choices... Ugh. No way. Can't even imagine what it is to be like for the furry dudes.

IMO adding more genders before fixing was a bad decision. If they at least made sure that new hats and hairstyles are available for the ALL races... But alas, we don't even have that. I often wear ARR gear and see the cute holes for lala/elezen/miqo ears or how certain hats marks the character's ears and it's so adorable... I really miss that kind of detail in-game. It's a pity to see this sort of thing being ignored given that glamour is probably the biggest content of this game.

If it's this troublesome to fix problems with a race that's a sellable point of an expansion, I guess my hopes for them updating the Character Creation for other races should be zero.

Now we have these bunny boys that also can't wear hats and have these hard baguettes that are lacking physics as their ears. Hopefully the cries for fixing the issues are even louder now.

I do worry that people have put too much stock in Yoshi P's statements about custom hair and future customizations.

Do you know what he has also said in the past? That they wouldn't require players to remain subbed in order to retain their house. We all know how that went.

Point being, statements get made and maybe it's what they envision for the game at that time, but then things change due to <insert limitation of your choice>. Instead of unique options as previously stated, Viera were given 4 random hairstyles. This very well could be SE changing course like they did with housing.

Best keep those expectations well-tempered.

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Originally Posted by Melorie

Now we have these bunny boys that also can't wear hats and have these hard baguettes that are lacking psychs as ears.

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How dare you speak of my baguettes >:|

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Originally Posted by Akimori

Honestly, even if it weren't Hrothgar specifically (maybe the Lupin or the more dragonlike Au Ra that were teased back in HW), I can say with maybe 85% certainty, if the servers didn't explode with the outcry for Viera, whatever beast race they decided to release would have been released in a way better state than what we have now. As much as I love my viera alt, I do sometimes wish that they community outcry wasn't so great. We probably would have had hrothgals by now and hrothgar wouldn't feel like a race thats still in its Beta stages

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Regardless of my love for bun boys, I will stand by my feelings from those 2 years ago that it should have been full hroth, and hroth done right - like worgen right.
The community outcry was bound to happen when they showcased female viera and left the community waiting for the reveal of male viera. But alas what's done is done and SE now spends years having to make up for it.

Although, I have recently fanta'd to Hroth once again.
I went from having some things to no things :D
Honestly, just overhaul the character creation system. I think you can spare the 2M for a team of developers whose sole purpose is that.

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

<insert joke about if they bring as much volume to the customization topic as they did about their inclusion we may actually get something :)>

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We can only hope..

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Originally Posted by VirusOnline

Regardless of my love for bun boys, I will stand by my feelings from those 2 years ago that it should have been full hroth, and hroth done right

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Hrothgar was supposedly what Yoshida had actually wanted for the game, as a beast race, for racial variety, but since it was the "last chance" - at the time - to add any more races to the game, viera makes a lot of sense as an FF fan favorite - a highly requested race that would definitely sell fantasias. That outcry, and total aversion towards "missing genders" (in actuality mostly just male viera), changed this, and threw a hamper in those plans. Funnily enough, if hrothgar would have came out male+female, people would have been annoyed that this was our last race, but people wouldn't have went up in arms over wanting their bunboys if viera were never a thing in the first place. Female viera/male hrothgar went from a well intentioned last addition to round out the races, to this.

Yes, I will always blame male viera, they weren't a necessary addition - not yet anyway. When it comes to missing genders, I personally think it would have made more sense for female hrothgar to be added first instead of male viera, but popularity won out, of course.

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Originally Posted by Melorie

Now we have these bunny boys that also can't wear hats and have these hard baguettes that are lacking psychs as ears. Hopefully the cries for fixing the issues are even louder now.

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Viera's ears are the same as how they were in XII... I doubt the developers would change the ears' physics because at this point, a lot of people (myself included) love them and wouldn't want them adjusted.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

I do worry that people have put too much stock in Yoshi P's statements about custom hair and future customizations.

Do you know what he has also said in the past? That they wouldn't require players to remain subbed in order to retain their house. We all know how that went.

Point being, statements get made and maybe it's what they envision for the game at that time, but then things change due to <insert limitation of your choice>. Instead of unique options as previously stated, Viera were given 4 random hairstyles. This very well could be SE changing course like they did with housing.

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I can see why the housing plan changed though, because there's limited housing so if a bunch of people just upped and left the game, it would be a waste of a plot - there's enough people fighting for the houses as it is. Yoshi changing his mind on this situation, there was logic behind it that benefitted other people.

And as for the Viera hair, I don't see a logical reason why Yoshi would go back on his word other than 'cutting costs' but considering SE are doing remarkably well for themselves lately, I don't see why that would be the case. I am trying to keep my expectations low but there are only two ways I would consider this situation fair; If Yoshi decides to listen to the people who aim to assimilate the Viera with the other races then we should get all previous hats fixed to our heads as well as shared hairstyles... If that's too time consuming then the other option being we get more exclusive hairstyles to compensate for lack of headgear, as originally planned. Unless SE have a third compromise that no one has thought of to make Viera/Hrothgar 'equal' to the other races, then I'm going to assume the two previously mentioned options are the only way.

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Originally Posted by Melorie

Now we have these bunny boys that also can't wear hats and have these hard baguettes that are lacking psychs as ears. Hopefully the cries for fixing the issues are even louder now.

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This is factually incorrect. I don't know if the girls have it, but male viera ears have bounce physics. When you walk, dance, fight, they are always bouncing aroud. It's a reason why I love my viera, the bouncy ears are really endearing.

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

Viera's ears are the same as how they were in XII... I doubt the developers would change the ears' physics because at this point, a lot of people (myself included) love them and wouldn't want them adjusted.

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I had hoped for animations, honestly. A little flick, or turning when "scanning". A lil something since it was their crowning feature :).

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Originally Posted by Starshower

This is factually incorrect. I don't know if the girls have it, but male viera ears have bounce physics. When you walk, dance, fight, they are always bouncing aroud. It's a reason why I love my viera, the bouncy ears are really endearing.

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They do, but very minimally. The stiff ears are the most animated, and the totally bent ones are rock solid on females (as far as I can tell). The ones I have are the only ones I can notice swaying when I move. (Also a reason I love them. I jump around more often because I like the boingggg)

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

I had hoped for animations, honestly. A little flick, or turning when "scanning". A lil something since it was their crowning feature :).

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You're right... Yeah. But how would that work with the floppy ears? If SE ever does revisit the character customization options it'd be nice to have a more expanded variety quirks.. like you said, the twitchy ears - aslong as it's optional and I can keep my lovely baguette ears then I'm all for it.

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

I'm not a fan of the flat faces of Pantera, and throw in again my counter for a face that is both beast and cute:

https://i.imgur.com/uWsGyVd.png

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Khamira forever best Khajiit.

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

I had hoped for animations, honestly. A little flick, or turning when "scanning". A lil something since it was their crowning feature :).

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I agree so much. Coming from a Miqo‘te, the moving ears to certain emotes is something I miss the most! Gosh, a little flick while „scanning“ sounds so wholesome! :,)

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

You're right... Yeah. But how would that work with the floppy ears? If SE ever does revisit the character customization options it'd be nice to have a more expanded variety quirks.. like you said, the twitchy ears - aslong as it's optional and I can keep my lovely baguette ears then I'm all for it.

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One would hope it would be a unique set for each ear style. It was something I had sort of assumed when, again, the ears were pushed out as replacing our hat slot.

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Originally Posted by Starshower

This is factually incorrect. I don't know if the girls have it, but male viera ears have bounce physics. When you walk, dance, fight, they are always bouncing aroud. It's a reason why I love my viera, the bouncy ears are really endearing.

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Do they? Every time I look at a viera their ears are pretty much harder than a dance pole.
Granted, I haven't stopped to look at them fishing for details, but physics are noticeable if we're talking of miqo'tes for example.

If the baguette aspect of it is a design choice... Well, I suppose it is a matter of taste.

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Originally Posted by Melorie

Do they? Every time I look at a viera their ears are pretty much harder than a dance pole.
Granted, I haven't stopped to look at them fishing for details, but physics are noticeable if we're talking of miqo'tes for example.

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Miqote don't have physics on their ears when they run or attack. They're animated in emotes but are otherwise stationary :P

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Originally Posted by Melorie

Do they? Every time I look at a viera their ears are pretty much harder than a dance pole.
Granted, I haven't stopped to look at them fishing for details, but physics are noticeable if we're talking of miqo'tes for example.

If the baguette aspect of it is a design choice... Well, I suppose it is a matter of taste.

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Even genius modders of Fallout 4 yet able to create physice for ears.....
What are you asking again?

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Originally Posted by flipwizardmagoo

I don’t think it was accidental, but it was sloppy and the poor communication since releasing them has honestly left the worst taste in my mouth. When they were first released, these issues weren’t as unacceptable, but with every patch that has some players waiting with baited breath that they might get SOMETHING, I can’t believe anyone wouldn’t think they’re justified in feeling disappointed and hurt. At least let the cat men change face without spending money, I don’t care if it “doesn’t make sense” in the lore. Sometimes you should negotiate; if they didn’t want to give them more customization, then give a little on your “lore” end to let them have /something/.

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Everyone has a right to be upset about this. But realizing why what's happening is happening is important for perspective.

Viera were never intended to have fully worked headgear ... so without a huge graphics engine update, I don't see them ever coming up with a satisfactory solution for those ears.
Hrothgar, I don't even know if it's possible to make "changing heads" a non CC feature, as it may change how things are programmed to sit on the face. They haven't given people eye contacts/ eye changing for free, IDK if they could make face changing a thing on the programming side without massive changes to the aesthetician.

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

My theory is they're trying to make them attractive, but the problem is hroths are too furry and they want to humanize them, but then they remember us Catgirls already exist, so they don't know what to do. Can't make them too humanlike, because female Miqo'te already exist. Try making them look as furry as the males, and it makes them extremely difficult to make attractive. They should just do what others have suggested and make them look like female Pantera and call it a day (just with tails and human feet like the male Hroths ofc).

https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets...jpg?1600542317

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The devs going for Pantera-like females makes the most sense when you look at how they keep depicting the females (In game Pantera gif for ref).

To put it simply, I think they keep showing them looking like Mithra-x-Viera for a reason.
I could also see them using a Loporrit like face as the base if they did go for a more animal look, to make them more like cute smaller breeds of cats face wise (I still expect them to be Viera/ Elezen tall). Loporrits are more expressive than Hrothgar faces, and they're well received. Could tell they put an oddly high amount of effort and attention into their faces compared to other NPC races.

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

My theory is they're trying to make them attractive, but the problem is hroths are too furry and they want to humanize them, but then they remember us Catgirls already exist, so they don't know what to do. Can't make them too humanlike, because female Miqo'te already exist. Try making them look as furry as the males, and it makes them extremely difficult to make attractive. They should just do what others have suggested and make them look like female Pantera and call it a day (just with tails and human feet like the male Hroths ofc).

https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets...jpg?1600542317

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Can't they just modify existing female Rod?
My first impression with female rod is they are a beastmen race and very confused why people asking for female Hrothgar when we already have female Rod

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Even genius modders of Fallout 4 yet able to create physice for ears.....

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Wait, what? What does that even mean? lmao What fallout has anything to do with this discussion?

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Originally Posted by Rokke

Miqote don't have physics on their ears when they run or attack. They're animated in emotes but are otherwise stationary :P

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Don't get me wrong, when I talked about hard baguette ears I wasn't saying that they have next to zero animations or whatever and thus, miqo'tes are full of them all the time. I'm just saying that, personally, they pass me a weird stiff impression. A _lot_ of my male miqo friends turned into viera and while playing with them the difference is kinda noticeable, that's all.

As I said, this might be a dev choice and by design (who knows) and some players, as this thread showed, might even prefer this. The lampost ears just turned into a running joke between my friend group. If you like the animations and think that they're good enough, whatever, as I said, taste is taste.

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Originally Posted by Melorie

Don't get me wrong, when I talked about hard baguette ears I wasn't saying that they have next to zero animations or whatever and thus, miqo'tes are full of them all the time. I'm just saying that, personally, they pass me a weird stiff impression. A _lot_ of my male miqo friends turned into viera and while playing with them the difference is kinda noticeable, that's all.

As I said, this might be a dev choice and by design (who knows) and some players, as this thread showed, might even prefer this. The lampost ears just turned into a running joke between my friend group. If you like the animations and think that they're good enough, whatever, as I said, taste is taste.

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I was just pointing out that you're conflating animation and physics. They're two different things. Miqote ears are animated in emotes but do not have movement physics. Viera ears have movement physics but are not animated in emotes.

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Originally Posted by Rokke

I was just pointing out that you're conflating animation and physics. They're two different things. Miqote ears are animated in emotes but do not have movement physics. Viera ears have movement physics but are not animated in emotes.

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My bad. I basically meant MOVING THE BREAD, and used the word that seemed the most close to describe it. I wasn't going into specifics.

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Originally Posted by Rokke

I was just pointing out that you're conflating animation and physics. They're two different things. Miqote ears are animated in emotes but do not have movement physics. Viera ears have movement physics but are not animated in emotes.

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probably because viera have different ear types and miqote dont. infact miqo ears probably only have one bone each.

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Originally Posted by Rokke

Miqote don't have physics on their ears when they run or attack. They're animated in emotes but are otherwise stationary :P

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And Viera/Hroth don't even have that

https://cdn.frankerfacez.com/emoticon/231552/4

I don't get this baguette thing lol. Have you ever seen a bunny's ear? Are those baguettes as well?

I just want to know where we stand. I'd rather be told "no" than be drip-fed and strung along.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

And Viera/Hroth don't even have that

https://cdn.frankerfacez.com/emoticon/231552/4

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I hardly see hroth players, but given the fact that they're basically big ass cats it's even more baffling that miqo's have something and they don't.

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Originally Posted by Starshower

I don't get this baguette thing lol. Have you ever seen a bunny's ear? Are those baguettes as well?

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Imagine a hard baguette. Like bien cuite baguette. I've seen bunnies in real life, and while some do have baguette-shaped ears, their ears kind-of follow their movements and are part of their expression... Anyway, is there even a point in comparing the bunny race in a video-game having lamp post ears with real bunnies at this point? My impression of viera's ears is that they are, most of the time, sticks glued to the head. Does that mean that viera's are horrible? Not really, as I said, I have even considered fantasia... which is why I'm posting it here about the hats, but it does strikes me as weird, personally.

I suppose each race has something that you might feel it is weird... As I said, though, many people enjoy the aesthetic nor feel the problem is as bad as I'm saying. It is a matter of taste.

Very informative video about rabbit ears
All About Rabbit Ear Positions and What They Mean on youtube

I was here thinking... what is the chance of SE just buy one of these mods who adjust all the hats for viera and hrothgar, and made it work in the game?

I don't know if it's possible or easy to do. I just remembered other games that buy something from modders and make it official.

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Originally Posted by Adamantini

I was here thinking... what is the chance of SE just buy one of these mods who adjust all the hats for viera and hrothgar, and made it work in the game?

I don't know if it's possible or easy to do. I just remembered other games that buy something from modders and make it official.

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I wish they would, they've shown they're too lazy to do it themselves so we'd at least have it that way.

It's sad when modders outdo a triple A company, but it's happening more and more these days.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

I wish they would, they've shown they're too lazy to do it themselves so we'd at least have it that way.

It's sad when modders outdo a triple A company, but it's happening more and more these days.

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I have this doubt after I saw a modder who is making an excellent work. He is not only clipping the ears, but remodeling EVERY had in the game, to fit in these races. A really detailed work that would be nice if implemented officialy, since moding the game is against the rules.
I will not bring his work here, because I have fear to loose my account, or the modder suffer something (like SE "shut down" the mod, or ban his account).

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Originally Posted by Chie_M

I just want to know where we stand. I'd rather be told "no" than be drip-fed and strung along.

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If I'm not mistaken, I've heard that it's pretty common for Japanese people to not out right say "no" but instead go with a "maybe". Eventhough they would mean "no".
And if that's so I'm not surprised that for westerner not hearing a straight out "no" gives them hopes instead.

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Originally Posted by Adamantini

I was here thinking... what is the chance of SE just buy one of these mods who adjust all the hats for viera and hrothgar, and made it work in the game?

I don't know if it's possible or easy to do. I just remembered other games that buy something from modders and make it official.

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This would most likely open a can of worms. First, admitting they aren't able to do things that even players do and secondly, you would have people asking for all sorts of mods to be officially implemented.